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User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3379 posts, RR: 12
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4267 times:

Dutch NOS TV news just reported that the Russian Buran space shuttle arrived earlier today in the port of Rotterdam en-route to the Speyer museum. It will be send by barge over the river Rhine in the next few days, apparantly it is scheduled to sail the 6th.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3...sische_shuttle_in_Rotterdam__.html


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User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 3790 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4088 times:

The Speyer museum is one of the best place it could have ended up in.
I hope we'll get pictures of that thing floating on the Rhine.

But I'd prefer to see it flying space missions and being ferried around on top of an An-224...



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User currently offlineSLCPilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 589 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4025 times:



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 1):
The Speyer museum is one of the best place it could have ended up in.

It's closer to the former USSR, but if Speyer takes care of Buran like Sinsheim takes care of Concorde/Tu-144 it's a big mistake. Aviation history needs to be out of the weather, not in it!

Could you imagine a display featuring both a US and Soviet/Russian shuttle side by side? It's too bad it doesn't end up in Dayton or out at Dulles. (I admit, it's selfish to want it in the USA)

Cheers!

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User currently offlineF27Friendship From Netherlands, joined Jul 2007, 1125 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4014 times:



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 1):
ound on top of an An-224...

you mean An-225  Wink

Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 2):
It's closer to the former USSR, but if Speyer takes care of Buran like Sinsheim takes care of Concorde/Tu-144 it's a big mistake. Aviation history needs to be out of the weather, not in it!

I agree completely

Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 2):
Could you imagine a display featuring both a US and Soviet/Russian shuttle side by side? It's too bad it doesn't end up in Dayton or out at Dulles. (I admit, it's selfish to want it in the USA)

I'm not sure but I believe there is another one out there (there were 5 I believe,of the other 4 1 was wrecked, 1 wasn't completed and one is standing somewhere in Russia)


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 3790 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3816 times:



Quoting F27Friendship (Reply 3):
you mean An-225

I do. Sorry.

Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 2):
Aviation history needs to be out of the weather, not in it!

Ironic, but true. Where has Buran been parked all this time by the way?



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User currently offlineBlackProjects From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 756 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

This Buran has seen the Globe.

It was the one in Australia for the Olympics.

It then whent to Bahrain for a bit and is now heading to Germany.  old 


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

Here she is:




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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3451 times:



Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 2):
Could you imagine a display featuring both a US and Soviet/Russian shuttle side by side? It's too bad it doesn't end up in Dayton or out at Dulles. (I admit, it's selfish to want it in the USA)

Well, does anybody know what will happen to the Space Shuttles once they are retired? They will probably end up in museums, but which ones?

BA/AF were so generous to offer their Concordes to aviation museums worldwide rather than keep them 'in house' so to say, so it would be a proof of respect and even comon sense if the US would donate at least one (and hopefully more) space shuttle(s) to a foreign museum too, so enthusiasts from all over the world can admire it relatively close to where they live.


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4815 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3434 times:
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Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 2):

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 1):
The Speyer museum is one of the best place it could have ended up in.

It's closer to the former USSR, but if Speyer takes care of Buran like Sinsheim takes care of Concorde/Tu-144 it's a big mistake. Aviation history needs to be out of the weather, not in it!

I am not sure about the Speyer Museum since I was never there. I have been in Sinsheim though. But both the Sinsheim and Speyer Museum are run by one organisation. At least, they have one internet address.

See: http://www.technik-museum.de/.

I agree with you it would be better if the planes were not out in the open, but building a hall to store them will be very expensive. Maybe in the future this could happen. I am not sure though if there are any plans to build such an exhibition hall.

It was nice to see it on the river in my hometown of Rotterdam. It was quite a sight to see!

Kind regards.


User currently offlineWolverine From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

They've got pictures of the Buran's journey on their website.
But they write about the "Space Shuttle Buran". Isn't that incorrect? I always thought only the US Shuttle is named Space Shuttle, like a trademark.



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User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3641 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

Sinsheim has a full LH 747-200 on display, btw. A very spectacular sight. Somehow it is sad that Buran was cancelled, it could have been a nice complement to Shuttle, but I doubt Russia coud have financed it and the Energija rockets...

User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7961 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3345 times:



Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 2):
It's closer to the former USSR, but if Speyer takes care of Buran like Sinsheim takes care of Concorde/Tu-144 it's a big mistake. Aviation history needs to be out of the weather, not in it!

According to Spiegel Online, Buran will be dispayed in its own exhibition hall.

Here are some more pics (English):
http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/0,5538,30418,00.html



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User currently offlineCaspritz78 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3332 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 7):
Well, does anybody know what will happen to the Space Shuttles once they are retired? They will probably end up in museums, but which ones?

One will probably go to the Smithsonian Air&Space Museum in Washington, DC.


User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3316 times:



Quoting Caspritz78 (Reply 12):
Quoting Slz396 (Reply 7):
Well, does anybody know what will happen to the Space Shuttles once they are retired? They will probably end up in museums, but which ones?

One will probably go to the Smithsonian Air&Space Museum in Washington, DC.

The Smithsonian will own all of them, and will loan the others out to other museums/NASA facilities.



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User currently offlineLapa_saab340 From Spain, joined Aug 2001, 390 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3220 times:



Quoting MD90fan (Reply 6):

Nice picture. Looks like this is one of the test vehicles built for atmospheric flight only, you can see the inlets to 2 of the 4 jet engines that used to be fitted. Sort of an equivalent to the Enterprise but it was able to take off under its own power.


User currently offlineThorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3204 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 7):
Well, does anybody know what will happen to the Space Shuttles once they are retired? They will probably end up in museums, but which ones?

Probably: Kennedy Space Center, Johnson Space Center (Houston), and the Smithsonian.

Kennedy Space Center is a lock. They have the money, the huge tourist market, plenty of real estate for one, a good record of maintenance and preservation of exhibits, and it won't cost anything (or very much) to move one there.

Johnson Space Center is a very strong contender. They're the home of the Shuttle Program, so they have the pull to get one. The only problem is JSC's abysmal record of care for its exhibits... their Saturn V nearly fell apart before they finally got off their *sses and built a protective shelter for it (12 years after KSC did the same). There were previously thought to be serious logistical problems getting an Orbiter to JSC, but those appear to be less than feared. If JSC can show the Smithsonian some kind of financial system in place to properly display a Shuttle, they'll get one.

The Smithsonian is likely to replace Enterprise with a space-flown Shuttle at the Udvar-Hazy Center. They'll probably want Discovery (the senior and most famous surviving Shuttle.) But if they decide it isn't worth switching Shuttles, the Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio is next on the list.

Other possibilities are Marshall Spaceflight Center (Hunstville, AL), Dryden Flight Research Center (Edwards AFB, CA), and the Seattle Museum of Flight.


User currently offlineF27Friendship From Netherlands, joined Jul 2007, 1125 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3173 times:



Quoting Lapa_saab340 (Reply 14):
Nice picture. Looks like this is one of the test vehicles built for atmospheric flight only, you can see the inlets to 2 of the 4 jet engines that used to be fitted. Sort of an equivalent to the Enterprise but it was able to take off under its own power.

Yes it is. Smal anekdote: at that time they were also developing the Su-27 and its engines. The engines on the atmospheric flight model (which is the one going to Speyer) are the same engines as the Su-27 has. They are probably not on there anymore.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9557 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

Just got back from the Rhine, I drove towards the Loreley slope of the Rhine and was perfect in my timing, meeting the vessel right there.

Quite impressive to see them navigate the narrow part of the river with the rocks towering on both sides. I think that was the best location to watch the event.

.



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User currently offlineBoeingFixer From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3068 times:



Quoting NoUFO (Reply 11):
According to Spiegel Online, Buran will be dispayed in its own exhibition hall.

I wouldn't count on Spiegel Online being right about that. There are some glaring errors in their facts regarding the Buran and Space Shuttle in the picture text.

Quote:
The Buran -- the name means "blizzard" in Russian -- was built by the Soviet Union as a near-copy of the American space shuttles that went into service in 1977.

The Space shuttle didn't enter service until 1981.

Quote:
The shuttle made 25 suborbital flights between 1985 and 1988, before the program was abandoned as the Soviet Union broke apart.

Buran only went into space once in Nov. 1988 with only 2 orbits before re-entry. The Buran Speyer got was not space worthy and flew as the atmospheric test aircraft.

Not exactly the best research is done in the news community.

Cheers,

John



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9557 posts, RR: 31
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3042 times:



Quoting Thorny (Reply 15):

Other possibilities are Marshall Spaceflight Center (Hunstville, AL), Dryden Flight Research Center (Edwards AFB, CA), and the Seattle Museum of Flight.

...and the Technik Museum in Speyer. They are actually bidding for a shuttle and want to put it up next to the Buran.

Like they have the Concorde and the Concordski in Sinsheim.



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User currently offlineSpeedyGonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

A couple of images and some information, including schedule for today's and tomorrow's transport, in German here:
http://www.lokreport.de/news/news_museum.html



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7961 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2973 times:



Quoting BoeingFixer (Reply 18):
I wouldn't count on Spiegel Online being right about that. There are some glaring errors in their facts regarding the Buran and Space Shuttle in the picture text.

But in this case Spiegel is right. The German daily FAZ has a video online ( http://tinyurl.com/4habnv ) with an interview of the director of the museum, and he mentions that acquisition of Buran and the construction of its new hall won't sum up to more than 10 million Euro.

Quoting BoeingFixer (Reply 18):
The Space shuttle didn't enter service until 1981.

True. Space Shuttle was supposed to enter service in 1977.

Quoting BoeingFixer (Reply 18):
Quote:
The shuttle made 25 suborbital flights between 1985 and 1988, before the program was abandoned as the Soviet Union broke apart.

Buran only went into space once in Nov. 1988 with only 2 orbits before re-entry. The Buran Speyer got was not space worthy and flew as the atmospheric test aircraft.

Here, Spiegel doesn't mention the orbital but the sub-orbital flights, and Buran had seen 25 sub-orbital flights, so in this case Spiegel is right again.



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User currently offlineThorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2963 times:



Quoting NoUFO (Reply 21):
True. Space Shuttle was supposed to enter service in 1977.

No. First launch (at the time of official go-ahead) was to be November, 1978.


User currently offlineThorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2955 times:



Quoting NoUFO (Reply 21):
Here, Spiegel doesn't mention the orbital but the sub-orbital flights, and Buran had seen 25 sub-orbital flights, so in this case Spiegel is right again.

That's not really the standard definition of "sub-orbital flight". Sub-orbital is generally accepted to define flights into space that do not achieve orbital velocity, such as X-15, Mercury-Redstone, and SpaceShipOne.

If Buran flew suborbital, then so did I when I flew on American Airlines from Dallas to Orlando...  Smile


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