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Potential V22 Customers Outside The USA  
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5152 times:

Any idea if Bell-Boeing if other countries apart from the US would be interested in the V22 Osprey ?
As potential customers I can think of Israel, the UK or Japan. I also would hope for Germany but I doubt it.


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User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5075 times:

I haven't heard of any export sales to date. But the airplane is still very new so far as its active duty performance is concerned and it wouldn't come as any surprise to see orders come in from other nations once its in service performance over a proper period of time has been evaluated.


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User currently offlineFoxy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 179 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5060 times:

According to wikipedia the UK will look at an AWACS version of the Osprey when they receive the Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers

[Edited 2008-04-08 09:49:25]

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5059 times:



Quoting Foxy (Reply 2):
We may well see an order from the UK Navy for an AWACS version when they receive the Queen Elizabeth class Aircraft Carriers

That is an interesting idea the V22 as a E2 Hawkeye replacement ?



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User currently offlineHighlander0 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4923 times:



Quoting Foxy (Reply 2):
According to wikipedia the UK will look at an AWACS version of the Osprey when they receive the Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers

I believe that it might be a bleak outlook for MASC- I really think funding might be reduced and Sea King Mk7 ASaC will be upgraded- again. I think I may have read that in Janes' Defence recently.


User currently offlineBuss61 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

yeah its no UH-60 or UH-1 yet! Just give it some time and all of our regular customers will be lineing up for there very own version of the V-22 Osprey.


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User currently offlineFridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4816 times:
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I can't remember where I read it, but Israel was interested in the V-22. Anyone got any info on that?


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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4622 times:

Sure IDF talked about it, they tend to be very conservative into buying new aircraft models. Personally I doubt they do it...

User currently offlineBlackProjects From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 756 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

If the Queen Series off Conventional Carriers stay as VSTOL only then a VSTOL type AWACS will be required but should problems be encounterd with the F-35 VSTOL project and the RR Engine gets pulled as some US Law Makers keep trying to do then the UK would pull out of the F-35 and a fixed wing Carrier AWACS would be required.

So keep praying the US Law makers keep there Sticky Fingers away from the Rolls Royce F-35 Engine and an Osprey AWACS may apear in the future.

 old 


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4777 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4513 times:



Quoting BlackProjects (Reply 8):
So keep praying the US Law makers keep there Sticky Fingers away from the Rolls Royce F-35 Engine and an Osprey AWACS may apear in the future.

I wonder what type of radar would be feasible to retain the Osprey's VTO and hover capabilities?  scratchchin 

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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4497 times:



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 9):

I wonder what type of radar would be feasible to retain the Osprey's VTO and hover capabilities?

I guess something like the 737 wedgetail.



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User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4443 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 10):
I guess something like the 737 wedgetail.

Phased array is probably most likely but a small radome could also be practical. The wing stow ring structure could easily be strengthened to support this as it's mostly done with metal largely due to wear issues; one of the few substantial chunks in the whole aircraft that's not mostly composite.



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User currently offlineBlackProjects From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 756 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4394 times:

Im wondering if the CV-22 could be Streched and the Wing Span increased which would allow for a Rotor Dome like a Hawkeye Nicely.

As the New RN Fleet Carriers will be rather Large Ships.

If the F-35 for the RN goes under it could be a Hawkeye instead of Osprey but I cant see the US Law makers risking so many US jobs and Billions of $ just for penny pinching reasons but they have done stranger things in the past.  confused   old 


User currently offlineACW367 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4364 times:



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 9):
I wonder what type of radar would be feasible to retain the Osprey's VTO and hover capabilities?

You could mount it in place of the tailramp doors. This configuration was used for the failed Iraqi IL-76 Bagdhad-1 which attempted to use a Thompson-CSF radar.

The inflatable bubble pylon as used on the Sea King ASACS Mk7 could also be mounted on the rear fuselage side.


User currently offlineWvsuperhornet From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4337 times:

I can see Australia being interested in it espcially for search and rescue over their vast wilderness that they have and the fuel capacities of the V-22. I also see Poland being interested in it in time for their special forces units. Japan probably and maybe Israel.

User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4777 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4322 times:



Quoting BlackProjects (Reply 12):
Im wondering if the CV-22 could be Streched and the Wing Span increased which would allow for a Rotor Dome like a Hawkeye Nicely.

The Osprey is already quite expensive as it is, and the rotors (unfoldable) take up a lot of space which is always at a premium aboard carriers - even one as sizeable like the QE would be. They're having trouble funding little items like the BAE Guardian turret gun for it. Imagine what it'd be like asking for more money to fund development of a new derivative of a hitherto just starting to be proven design, for what essentially would be a very limited application.

Quoting BlackProjects (Reply 12):
If the F-35 for the RN goes under it could be a Hawkeye instead of Osprey but I cant see the US Law makers risking so many US jobs and Billions of $ just for penny pinching reasons but they have done stranger things in the past.

A few AWACS will hardly be very effective bargaining chips, considering their acquisition is not a given. F-35 or no, the E-2D Advance Hawkeye is simply the more practical proposition.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...lls-out-e2-d-advanced-hawkeye.html

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...n-improved-e-2-hawkeye-for-us.html


Quoting ACW367 (Reply 13):
You could mount it in place of the tailramp doors. This configuration was used for the failed Iraqi IL-76 Bagdhad-1 which attempted to use a Thompson-CSF radar.

How great a coverage would that provide?



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4287 times:
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Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 15):
and the rotors (unfoldable)

Really?....

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Quoting Wvsuperhornet (Reply 14):
I can see Australia being interested in it espcially for search and rescue over their vast wilderness that they have

Doubt it, distances are so vast that even the speed and range of the Osprey would see it rarely in the right place at the right time.
For our increasingly expeditionary military, perhaps but extremely unlikely

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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3905 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4272 times:

Is everybody suddenly convinced that the V-22 is not only a safe, but an efficient vehicle? Is it doing well in serivce?

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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4777 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4243 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 16):

You got me there. I removed the question mark after "unfoldable" as I really haven't seen it that way, but in effect, a rotodome or a side-looking radar atop the fuselage would make those unstowable.

[Edited 2008-04-11 07:57:45]


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User currently offlineWvsuperhornet From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4156 times:



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 17):
Is everybody suddenly convinced that the V-22 is not only a safe, but an efficient vehicle? Is it doing well in serivce?

I would like to know who said it really wasn't safe, granted there were some mishaps during R&D but there was an article on the discovery channel about it and the black hawk and the V-22 has considerably less mishaps. While I am not a fan or the cost and didn't really see a need in it at first, I can see where it can have its uses will it be worth the money spent on it, at least to me thats still the open question but time will tell. To my knowledge they had some trouble with it at first in the desert enviroment, but they have gotten it straighten out and for the record most of the aircraft have been having troubles in the sand.


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3489 times:



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 17):
Is everybody suddenly convinced that the V-22 is not only a safe, but an efficient vehicle? Is it doing well in serivce?

Peter

They talk about +1200 sorties of +2000 hours in Al-Anbar in Iraq, for 10 V22s, during the first 3 months of service. Some cooling problems though.
BTW how many V-22s are flying nowadays?


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3341 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 3):
That is an interesting idea the V22 as a E2 Hawkeye replacement ?



Quoting Foxy (Reply 2):
According to wikipedia the UK will look at an AWACS version of the Osprey when they receive the Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers

To follow on a AWACS version I think the US Navy should look into a an ASW/ USW/ ASUW version to replace the S-3s as well as SH-60s Helicopter Antisubmarine squadrons, it has the speed and range of a fixed wing aircraft such as the P-3 or S-3 and has the ability to loiter and hover with a dipping sonar such as the MH-60S.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7119 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3301 times:



Quoting Wvsuperhornet (Reply 14):
I can see Australia being interested in it espcially for search and rescue over their vast wilderness that they have and the fuel capacities of the V-22.

At 100 million USD per airframe I can't see Australia being interested in any at all, I doubt the Polish could afford them either.


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

Well, lot of politics involved in such deals, I wonder if Poland would be interested if they get part of the manufacturing?
BTW can anyone explain the pricetags on page 133 http://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-080204-081.pdf
Is it 67Million US$ unarmed and 110Million US$ armed?


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