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Naval Strike Missile - Norway's New Super Weapon  
User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3801 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13127 times:

Norway's new super weapon:

The NSM Missile ( Norsk Sjømål Misil ) ( Naval Strike Missile )

http://www.kongsberg.com/images/artikler/31540/nsm_sea2.jpg


Designed for littoral waters as well as open sea scenarios. (The advanced design allows the missile to fly around and over landmasses.)
Made of composites, the NSM will be the world's most sophisticated stealth strike missile. Advanced design technology has minimised the missile's signature. Its excellent sea-skimming ability and random manouvres in the terminal phase make it virtually impossible to stop. The imaging infrared seeker is completely passive. Target selection is at the forefront of new technology. That provides NSM with a substantial capacity for autonomous detection and recognition of targets - at sea or on land.


The missile is rumoured to be able to trick any modern defence mechanism that any warship today has. It has infrared targeting, radiojammer, stealth and mechanism to defend itself against electromagnetic waves.

The missile will also fit into the F 35 and also go with Eurofighter and Gripen fighter planes.

The Norwegian defence company Kongsberg who has made the missile, has joined forces with Lockheed Martin to develop the missile for the F35.


Read more about it here:

http://www.kongsberg.com/eng/kda/pro...iles/navalxstrikexmissile&id=32934

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Strike_Missile

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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7935 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13140 times:

Ok, that thing can fly, but other than that, missiles (and naval missiles on top of it) have little to do with military aviation or space. With that being said, I don't really like to see "super weapons" being announced here in the form of blatant advertising.

Sorry. Have a nice day.



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User currently offlineF27Friendship From Netherlands, joined Jul 2007, 1125 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13123 times:



Quoting NoUFO (Reply 1):
Ok, that thing can fly, but other than that, missiles (and naval missiles on top of it) have little to do with military aviation or space. With that being said, I don't really like to see "super weapons" being announced here in the form of blatant advertising.

Sorry. Have a nice day.

allthough I think the NSM should be discussed on this part of the A.net forums, I agree with your remark that the first post is more like an advertisement. What is the opening question?


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13079 times:

There is no question, just info. And I seriously doubt that anyone on this fourm will be interested in buying or use this thing so this was not an attept on advertising for anything. Frankly I wish we'de keep the missile to ourselv and not sell it to others sharing the tecknologie  Smile And yes the first paragraph is taken from the company's website.

User currently offlineChecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13054 times:

Hmmm...I don't see much new except maybe stealing Tomahawk like design and capabilities and turning it into an anti-ship missile.

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13000 times:



Quoting NoUFO (Reply 1):
Ok, that thing can fly, but other than that, missiles (and naval missiles on top of it) have little to do with military aviation or space.

That's hogwash. There is no other forum more appropriate than this one.



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12982 times:



Quoting Checksixx (Reply 4):
Hmmm...I don't see much new except maybe stealing Tomahawk like design and capabilities and turning it into an anti-ship missile.

The NSM can be launched from airplanes for instance............... I don't think the Tomahawk can... The NSM is also stealth. I see no mention of stealth capabilities on the Tomahawk. Infact I don't see that the Tomahawk has anything of the special mechanism that the NSM has, other than infrared guidance...


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12948 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Reply 6):
Infact I don't see that the Tomahawk has anything of the special mechanism that the NSM has, other than infrared guidance...

The Tomahawk can be fitted with TERCOM, which is a capability I seriously doubt NSM has.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 6):
The NSM can be launched from airplanes for instance............... I don't think the Tomahawk can...

This is a political and not technical limitation. Instead, the less-capable AGM-86 was acquired.



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12907 times:



Quoting N328KF (Reply 7):
The Tomahawk can be fitted with TERCOM, which is a capability I seriously doubt NSM has.

From what I understand, TERCOM is a kind of an onboard map and direction system ? I think the NSM has something similare:

" The target selection technology provides NSM with a capacity for independent detection, recognition, and discrimination of targets at sea or on the coast. This is possible by the combination of an imaging IR (IIR) seeker and an onboard target database. NSM is able to navigate by GPS, inertial and terrain reference systems."


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13147 posts, RR: 78
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12847 times:

It does seem to offer something new, not in the size/range bracket of Tomahawk either.
Since littoral ops are more likely nowadays, a modern system that can do that and the more usual anti ship blue water role as well as land attack, it would seem a versatile system.
In a modern, low observable package taking advantage of technological improvements over systems that are still effective, but date back 30-40 years as designs.

Certainly, I'd like to see the UK adopt it, to replace ship launched Harpoons, for carriage on RN F-35's and RAF Typhoons.
Norway has produced effective systems like this before, including sales to the US.


User currently offlineMissedApproach From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 713 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12826 times:



Quoting N328KF (Reply 7):
Tomahawk...AGM-86

Those are both large missiles. The AGM-86 is air launched, but only from B-52, B-1 & probably B-2. I don't think anyone would seriously consider the F-35, or any fighter, as a viable launch platform for a missile of this size.
The NSM sounds like it's closer to the AGM-84 Harpoon in terms of size & range.



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User currently offlineSasd209 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Oct 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12816 times:



Quoting N328KF (Reply 5):
That's hogwash. There is no other forum more appropriate than this one.

Agreed. I could have read about it elsewhere, but I certainly don't mind the info posted here.


User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 835 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12684 times:



Quoting MissedApproach (Reply 10):
I don't think anyone would seriously consider the F-35, or any fighter, as a viable launch platform for a missile of this size.

Interesting as the Indians are designing the Brahmos to fit under SU-30 series aircraft. This is certainly a Tomahawk sized weapon.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 7):
The Tomahawk can be fitted with TERCOM, which is a capability I seriously doubt NSM has.

TERCOM really isn't that great in a world of GPS waypoints and digital images. Tomahawk Block III has GPS while Block IV have moved onto DSMAC.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 1):
Ok, that thing can fly, but other than that, missiles (and naval missiles on top of it) have little to do with military aviation or space.

What a silly statement. At what point do missiles which fly through air and space, not play a factor in a forum about military air and space?


User currently offlineChecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 12662 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Reply 6):
The NSM can be launched from airplanes for instance............... I don't think the Tomahawk can

What do you call the B-2, B-1 and B-52?


User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12594 times:

So, the missile is randomly fired and it basically autonomously chooses the target?

Andrea Kent


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12526 times:



Quoting Checksixx (Reply 13):
What do you call the B-2, B-1 and B-52?

The Tomahawk is from what I understand from Wikipedia ( and they actually seem accurate on this one ) is launched from ships and submarines, NOT planes.

However you have something similare for planes. This would be it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-129_ACM


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12523 times:



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 14):
So, the missile is randomly fired and it basically autonomously chooses the target?

When the target has been chosen by the person that launch it, it will stay on target and not let anything interfere with it's flightpath. If you are asking if the operator of the missile can change target in midair / if it has a kill switch - I do not know.


User currently offlineAlien From Romania, joined Oct 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12278 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Reply 15):
The Tomahawk is from what I understand from Wikipedia ( and they actually seem accurate on this one ) is launched from ships and submarines, NOT planes.

Air launched Tomahawk was developed but never deployed.

Quote:
Two proposed Tomahawk variants were not deployed, the Ground Launched Cruise Missile (GLCM) --named Gryphon -- which was cancelled because of the U.S.-Soviet Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces (INF) agreement, and the AGM-109 air-launched Tomahawk. The latter weapon was flight tested from A-6 Intruder aircraft.

That may well change though and plans are afoot to deploy it.

Quote:
The continued problems being encountered in flight tests of the Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM) could lead to resurrection of the air-launched Tomahawk missile.

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003552.html

I will take the expertise of Norman Polmar over Wikipedia any day.

Note it was launched from an A-6. An F-18 or F-35 could easily carry a couple of them. It would be overkill IMHO though.


User currently offlineTGIF From Sweden, joined Apr 2008, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12195 times:



Quoting Checksixx (Reply 4):
Hmmm...I don't see much new except maybe stealing Tomahawk like design and capabilities and turning it into an anti-ship missile.

 confused 

The tomahawk is three times as heavy. It's warhead is heavier then the entire NSM. Its 2500km vs 160km in range... Arn't we comparing apples and oranges?? Wouldn't a comparison with AGM-65 Maverick, AGM-84 Harpoon (although smaller and shorter range) or RBS-15 be more appropriate? I'm no missile expert, but I'm more then happy if you enlighten me...


User currently offlineChecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 12095 times:



Quoting TGIF (Reply 18):
Quoting Checksixx (Reply 4):
Hmmm...I don't see much new except maybe stealing Tomahawk like design and capabilities and turning it into an anti-ship missile.

The tomahawk is three times as heavy. It's warhead is heavier then the entire NSM. Its 2500km vs 160km in range... Arn't we comparing apples and oranges?? Wouldn't a comparison with AGM-65 Maverick, AGM-84 Harpoon (although smaller and shorter range) or RBS-15 be more appropriate? I'm no missile expert, but I'm more then happy if you enlighten me...

Who the heck said I was comparing it to a Tomahawk? I clearly described what it looked like...nothing more. Please read what I wrote before replying.


User currently offlineTGIF From Sweden, joined Apr 2008, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12070 times:



Quoting Checksixx (Reply 19):

Who the heck said I was comparing it to a Tomahawk? I clearly described what it looked like...nothing more. Please read what I wrote before replying.

Well since your post, the thread has been all about the Tomahawk and whether you can fit it to a A/C or not. I just wanted to know more about the NSM and how it would rate against comparable missiles. Sorry if you feel I attacked you personally...


User currently offlineScooter01 From Norway, joined Nov 2006, 1199 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11927 times:
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FIASKO!

According tho Norwegian newsmedia they had a test-firing "in California" of a prototype last Friday
(April 25).
Nothing happened when the launch-command was given.  banghead 

As the propulsion motor was armed it could not safely be removed, so the missile had to be destroyed "in place"


Scooter01



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User currently offlineIronDuke08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11831 times:



Quoting Scooter01 (Reply 21):
FIASKO!

According tho Norwegian newsmedia they had a test-firing "in California" of a prototype last Friday
(April 25).
Nothing happened when the launch-command was given.   

As the propulsion motor was armed it could not safely be removed, so the missile had to be destroyed "in place"

I wouldn't worry about it at all...modern weapons have so much software in them that needs to be de-bugged before everything works properly. If you look up AMRAAM's testing history, you'll see that they screwed up a lot in the beginning. Now that all the bugs are worked out, the thing almost never misses.


User currently offlineScooter01 From Norway, joined Nov 2006, 1199 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11827 times:
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Quoting IronDuke08 (Reply 22):
I wouldn't worry about it at all...

I'm not worried, the software has been flying for years in one of these:

http://i32.tinypic.com/2hmlpw6.jpg

as the "Eye of the Tiger" project.

Scooter01



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User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11751 times:



Quoting NoUFO (Reply 1):
Ok, that thing can fly, but other than that, missiles (and naval missiles on top of it) have little to do with military aviation or space.

It's military hardware that flies. What could be more appropriate. If you disapprove of weaponry, I suggest you avoid this forum as it's endemic here.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 3):
Frankly I wish we'de keep the missile to ourselv and not sell it to others sharing the tecknologie

Would you be able to afford to develop it without the export market?



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11706 times:



Quoting NoUFO (Reply 1):
Ok, that thing can fly, but other than that, missiles (and naval missiles on top of it) have little to do with military aviation or space.

The thing has wings, a jet engine, a rocket engine, avionics, etc


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