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Nato May Buy $700 Millon Worth Of C-17's  
User currently offlineMedAv From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 80 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4859 times:

With the notification of congress, it sounds like this deal is finally going through. But what's that enough for, 3 frames?

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http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSWAT00946120080509

NATO may buy $700 mln of Boeing cargo planes

WASHINGTON, May 9 (Reuters) - The Defense Security Cooperation Agency said on Friday it notified the U.S. Congress of a possible sale of $700 million worth of Boeing (BA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) C-17 cargo planes to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

The proposed sale would also involve contractor United Technologies Corp (UTX.N: Quote, Profile, Research), the agency said in a statement. (Reporting by Julie Vorman; editing by John Wallace)



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User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4852 times:

700million, sounds more impressive than writing "three planes" or whatever you get for that amount of cash.

User currently offlineF27Friendship From Netherlands, joined Jul 2007, 1125 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4780 times:

that's a bargain! that's like 3 frames for 443M€

User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9193 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4637 times:

Does that include spare parts?, the dollars do not go far these days, I do not care whose they are, 3 planes?


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User currently offlineF27Friendship From Netherlands, joined Jul 2007, 1125 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4531 times:



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 3):
Does that include spare parts?, the dollars do not go far these days, I do not care whose they are, 3 planes?

that probably only includes "a few gallons in the tank" .


User currently offlineCYQL From Canada, joined Sep 2006, 86 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4317 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...rtium-in-talks-to-buy-2-c-17s.html

Looks like its only two for now. In the end they will probably have a fleet of 4-6.

It will be interesting to see if they use Luxembourg for aircraft registration like they did with the E-3 Sentry.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12173 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4097 times:

Are these going to be used C-17As (as in non-ERs) from the USAF inventory? The Flight Global artical implies the airplanes come from the USAF, and not Boeing.

"DOD is requesting approval from Congress to sell two C-17s with a long list of necessary add-ons, including four Pratt & Whitney F117-PW-100 engines, ALE-47 countermeasure dispensing systems, spares, pyrotechnics, crew armour and other items"

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...rtium-in-talks-to-buy-2-c-17s.html


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4043 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 6):
Are these going to be used C-17As (as in non-ERs) from the USAF inventory? The Flight Global artical implies the airplanes come from the USAF, and not Boeing.

"DOD is requesting approval from Congress to sell two C-17s with a long list of necessary add-ons, including four Pratt & Whitney F117-PW-100 engines, ALE-47 countermeasure dispensing systems, spares, pyrotechnics, crew armour and other items"

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...rtium-in-talks-to-buy-2-c-17s.html

Probably because the sale would be through the government's Foreign Military Sales program, and is not vendor direct.

There is no mention of USAF aircraft being involved.



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7088 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

Wonder if France and Germany will be involved as they were pushing for the lease of An 124 back then and always claimed the C17 was too expensive.


It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3874 times:

France and Germany have been able to successfully block the acquisition of C-17s in the past due to their tie in with the A-400M program. Let's see how this plays out. In all honesty though, are 2 C-17s really going to make that much of a difference for ALL of NATO to use? The UK and Canada alone operate 5 and 4 respectively.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12173 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3748 times:



Quoting CX747 (Reply 9):
In all honesty though, are 2 C-17s really going to make that much of a difference for ALL of NATO to use?

Most probibly, NATO will get 6 C-17s, but their requirement is for "8 equivelent C-17s". I read that to say they would like to buy 8 of them, but can only be assured of funding for 6.


User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3333 times:



Quoting CX747 (Reply 9):
The UK and Canada alone operate 5 and 4 respectively.

RAF has obtained funding for a 6th C-17 and there have been statements from senior air officers to the extent that they'd like 8. As for Canada, with the recently-announced defense build-up, it's possible that 1 or 2 more might be acquired.

Coincidentally, of our 4 C-17s, 2 are U/S right now (or were last week, 1 in Bangkok and 1 @ home base) and we're back tro chartering An-124s for some heavy lift. Hopefully these a/c are not going to be hangar queens.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12173 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3240 times:



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 11):
RAF has obtained funding for a 6th C-17 and there have been statements from senior air officers to the extent that they'd like 8. As for Canada, with the recently-announced defense build-up, it's possible that 1 or 2 more might be acquired.

That is great news for the C-17 program.

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 11):
Coincidentally, of our 4 C-17s, 2 are U/S right now (or were last week, 1 in Bangkok and 1 @ home base) and we're back tro chartering An-124s for some heavy lift. Hopefully these a/c are not going to be hangar queens.

Well, the An-124 can lift a lot more than the C-17 can, so it really depends on what needs to be moved via airlift.


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3213 times:



Quoting CX747 (Reply 9):
Does that include spare parts?, the dollars do not go far these days, I do not care whose they are, 3 planes?

The contract should include some spares, manuals and drawings (with revision service), crew training, maintenance training, and on-site technical support.


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