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New French "AF One" For Nicolas Sarkozy  
User currently offlineMarcus380 From France, joined Feb 2006, 146 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12467 times:

Our complexed french president says that it's A319 has a too short range for long trips (asia) and is too small vs the orther presidents plane, and the french army will acquire a A330-200 from Air Caraibes that will be completely refited with a VIP interior.
Article in French:
http://secretdefense.blogs.liberatio...fense/2008/06/le-futur-air-fo.html

or:
http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2008...ourdit-la-facture-de-l-Elysee.html

I would have prefered a A340-500, the best range...but certainly not the same price...

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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7058 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12433 times:

Maybe this has to do with Merkel getting an A340.


It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3739 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12370 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 1):
Maybe this has to do with Merkel getting an A340.

The french AF already has an A340 as well, but I don't know if it's used for VIP transport...
And wasn't there another A340 coming as well? Surely he could use one of these instead of introducing another type.

What would the 330 do the rest of the time? It would be a great candidate for tanker conversion. Big grin



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4387 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12300 times:

The two A340 AdA has are ex Austrian if I remember well.

User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12226 times:

Airbus should give him a free A330 !!
he is promoting for them all over the world, and personally travelling to finish Airbus deals..
:x


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12193 times:



Quoting Marcus380 (Thread starter):
Our complexed french president

He has fewer complexes than Mitterand, who thought he is just next to god...
Everybody in France bitches about Sarkozy- but the French voted for him !
I'd like to see France run by Ségolène - holy s.hit...



Please respect animals - don't eat them...
User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4387 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12179 times:

OK, but Mitterand frequently used THE plane, not a bus.

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12067 times:



Quoting Marcus380 (Thread starter):
I would have prefered a A340-500, the best range...but certainly not the same price...

Well, the former colony Algeria has one!

Quoting Marcus380 (Thread starter):
is too small vs the orther presidents plane

Maaaaam, our neighbour´s son has a bigger toy than me!

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 2):
The french AF already has an A340 as well, but I don't know if it's used for VIP transport...

I thought that that´s a VIP plane, what other role should it have?


User currently offlineHBIHLtoEZE From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 281 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11898 times:

An A380 would be the plane that fits Sarko's desires best...

more seriuously, an A330 (a used one, flying with SR an LX before Air Caraibes) is not a bad solution...they need to replace the A310s anyway.

cheers



Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life.
User currently offlineMarcus380 From France, joined Feb 2006, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11844 times:



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 5):
He has fewer complexes than Mitterand, who thought he is just next to god...
Everybody in France bitches about Sarkozy- but the French voted for him !
I'd like to see France run by Ségolène - holy s.hit...

It is true....I would vote for him again...I just separate its policy and its personnality

Quoting NA (Reply 7):
I thought that that´s a VIP plane, what other role should it have?

Those A340 have no VIP interiors. Only regular seats.


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19416 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11792 times:



Quoting HBIHLtoEZE (Reply 8):
An A380 would be the plane that fits Sarko's desires best...

Yes, but he'd like it before 2050.  duck 


User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11770 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
Yes, but he'd like it before 2050.   

Best not order a Dreamliner then, either!  Wink


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19416 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11723 times:



Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 11):
Best not order a Dreamliner then, either!

Oh, Puhleeze. The President of France in a Boeing Jet? You'd sooner see the USAF order Airbus planes as tankers!  duck   Wink


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7058 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11680 times:



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 2):
The french AF already has an A340 as well, but I don't know if it's used for VIP transport...

They are troop transport aircraft equiped with regular seats. They were bought as Dc 8 replacements.



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7403 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11440 times:

The ego of the dwarf Sarkozy is inversely proportional to the size of these A319 ...

Mister short size (and mind) needs a BIG Rolex, a BIG car and of course a BIG PLANE ... as a compensation for his small d*ck ?

The Economy in France has never been so bad, and France has never had such a bad Government. Restrictions are everywhere to reduce the debts ... except the budget for the Elysée Palace expenses who has just grown by 8%, while Sarkozy increased his own salary by 140% last year ...

Oh well ! The French voted for him ? They have him, for another 4 years ... if he can last until then.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11317 times:

FlySSC, I totally agree with what you are saying in your post.

I would rather be seeing President Mitterrand using the AF Concordes any time... rather than Sarkusco-bru-ni. At least the man was on par with Concorde. He had brains and style.

During the year 2007 expanses at the Elysée presidential palace took a steep hyke, 29% rising to 35,11 Million Euros. Maintenance costs took a 53% hyke and Sarko gave himself a 29% hyke on his "pocket money".

Now they came up with the purchase and refurbishing of a new "SarkForce One" plane. Not forgetting that he already has 6 Falcon jets at his disposal + seven Airbii but he is apparently not satisfied with the two VVIP Airbii 319s that are at his disposal at any time to take him anywhere day or night.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 14):
The ego of the dwarf Sarkozy is inversely proportional to the size of these A319 ...

Mister short size (and mind) needs a BIG Rolex, a BIG car and of course a BIG PLANE ... as a compensation for his small d*ck ?

The Economy in France has never been so bad, and France has never had such a bad Government. Restrictions are everywhere to reduce the debts ... except the budget for the Elysée Palace expenses who has just grown by 8%, while Sarkozy increased his own salary by 140% last year ...

Oh well ! The French voted for him ? They have him, for another 4 years ... if he can last until then.




There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinePagoFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11261 times:

Isn't France a Socialist State? No wonder they're always in trouble.

User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11257 times:

Ha ha
Sarkozy is so childish ! This guy is a real shame for my country. He just wants to have a toy as big as its neighboors. Next he will trigger a war somewhere in middle east, just to show he's got an army ?


User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11223 times:



Quoting PagoFlyer (Reply 16):
Isn't France a Socialist State? No wonder they're always in trouble.

Pffff

Please stop listening the usual anti-French BS you hear in the states.
What is a socialist state for you ? You mean no personal property, no capitalism ? [the meaning of the term socialist is very different from a country to another]


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7403 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11117 times:



Quoting PagoFlyer (Reply 16):
Isn't France a Socialist State? No wonder they're always in trouble.

Talking about countries in trouble, I didn't the USA were also a Socialit State ...


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11084 times:

People get exited about some planes and associate their use with personal instability or "follie de grandeur" (let me laugh..)
Sarkozy will cut the expenses of the French state -including state-employees - by a significant amount.I would have vote for him if I would have been allowed to vote.(Although my tax- money goes to the state)
To me the socialists don't have any viable alternatives and have completely forgotten about global interrelation of economies ,ownership of resources and wealth ..
They consistently complain about everything but never ever wher capable to do anything better.
Typical example was the critic of Francois Hollande about the invitation to president Dr. Assad of Syria for the 14 July..
Sarkozy does change things and that's why he is good for France !



Please respect animals - don't eat them...
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10973 times:

You must be joking. Oh well... I will have a good laugh on this one!!  laughing 
We will see where he is 4 years from now.  Big grin

Not counting the 107 Million Euros he will give to Karzai in Afghanistan.  bomb 

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 20):
Sarkozy does change things and that's why he is good for France !




There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10926 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 15):
During the year 2007 expanses at the Elysée presidential palace took a steep hyke, 29% rising to 35,11 Million Euros.

In Italy, the Quirinale (the mansion of the President of the Republic) costs about 235 million euros and it has more than 1,800 workers: an incredible waste of money.

We have two A319CJ http://www.airliners.net/photo/Italy...--Air/Airbus-A319-112CJ/1213715/M/ and some other planes.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19416 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10890 times:



Quoting PagoFlyer (Reply 16):
Isn't France a Socialist State? No wonder they're always in trouble.

Yup! And the U.S. is a capitalist state! That's why we're in no trouble at all. Yup! We're in fine shape!


User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2053 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10810 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 19):
Talking about countries in trouble, I didn't the USA were also a Socialit State ...

It is becoming more and more socialist every year.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 20):
Sarkozy does change things and that's why he is good for France !

Change alone isn't good, you need to be fixing things that are wrong or making progress. Rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic would be change, there just wouldn't be any progress or improvement.


25 Beaucaire : If you reduce effectively the number of state-employees by 25% over five years ,by not replacing the ones that leave,you effectively participate to r
26 Revelation : The first thing you do when you are in a hole is to stop digging....
27 Ikramerica : A VIP A332 seems pretty fair. It's not too big, and the way it will be loaded, will have a pretty solid range, flying non-stop to every major city exc
28 Aircellist :
29 DL767captain : Will it have a cool livery like the US AF1?
30 THEENGINEER : Is Merkel getting a new A340 ??
31 Confuscius : Luck them! They only have him for four years.[Edited 2008-06-13 09:50:50]
32 AirNZ : Sorry, could you explain that to me please.......and also how you think the US isn't in deep trouble?
33 ImperialEagle : Wow----sounds just like our US Congress! Oh, and lets not forget the folks currently entrenched in the White House. IMHO an A32 would be a great VIP
34 LHBSL : acctually "she" will get two out of LHs fleet... they will replace the old A310 of the German Airforce. Cheers
35 Breiz : Chancellor Merkel is not getting anything. The Luftwaffe ( or more precisely Bundesregierung Flugbereitschaft) has purchased two A343s from Lufthansa
36 Flighty : Agreed France is a "major country." Our president is spending $5 billion on a fleet of helicopters for presidential transport. This would cover betwe
37 FCKC : Some rumors said it will be Ex Air Caraibes F-OPTP. He has also bought 2 Falcon 7Xs , probably to replace F50s , and Falcon2000s are rumored.
38 FoxXray : That's exactly what a guy who hate Sarko would have said France current economy is the worst of all its history, but i think with Sego' as president,
39 FoxXray : 4 Falcon 2000 will replace the 4 Falcon 50 and 2 Falcon 7X will replace the 2 Falcon 900.
40 KennyK : I wish we had something a bit more modern with more range and speed and larger than the poor old 146s with those 4 little hairdryers under the wings.
41 KC135TopBoom : Is it a mallard?
42 BrowntailWhale : It's call sign will be "Surrender 1."
43 Post contains links and images DEVILFISH : It would most likely be similar to these.... You may be in luck - it was mentioned in the other thread that these A319CJs would be sold - perhaps the
44 Wvsuperhornet : Yeah I thought are politicians were the only ones who wasted money!!! Glad to see us and the French have something in common after all...lol
45 Post contains images Keesje : Government is big in the US as we speak, producing money to save a greedy industry. On the A330, many staets prefer 4 haulers because they reduce the
46 Wvsuperhornet : I would have to agree!! And she can fly into my bedroom anyday!!!!
47 Trex8 : why can't he use those RAF A332 tankers when the RAF don't need it
48 Columba : France definitely wins here in comparison with the US (and maybe all other nations )
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