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How Is Marine 1 Transported?  
User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2309 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12468 times:

I see that Marine 1, the POTUS's rotary-wing aircraft of choice, is in England - heaven forbid he should have to travel in anything other that big green gas guzzler  wink 

How is it moved big distances - like across the Atlantic? By ship, or is it flown?


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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12458 times:



Quoting BristolFlyer (Thread starter):
How is it moved big distances - like across the Atlantic? By ship, or is it flown?


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User currently offlineYtib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12471 times:

The same manner all of the limos and other support equipment is transported.

User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12455 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):

For real? It looks too tall to go in there.



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12455 times:

Perhaps this should have been posted in the Military/Space forum?

User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12455 times:



Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 3):
For real? It looks too tall to go in there

Either the C-17 or a C5. The C5 can carry something like 4 blackhawks.



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User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2380 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12415 times:



Quoting BristolFlyer (Thread starter):
heaven forbid he should have to travel in anything other that big green gas guzzler

It's not just a big green gas guzzler - it includes communication and security systems that wouldn't be available in a locally based helicopter. It's the same reason POTUS flies on the VC-25 and they transport many of the motorcade vehicles as well.



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User currently offlineBingo From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12379 times:

Typically its a C-17. They can do a C-5 but the problem is that the C-5 cant land at their home base in Quantico (KNYG). So if they use a C-5 they fly them up to Andrews and do the tear down up there. Its pretty common to see two T-Tails (C-17s) sitting on the apron over at KNYG.

Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 3):
For real? It looks too tall to go in there.

Here is a picture of them loading a CH-46 in the belly of a C-17

http://www.marines.mil/units/marforc...ages/2005/20050815-m-0502a-014.jpg

Its not one of the HMX birds because pics of those guys are unauthorized (for good reason). Check out the site though. Its a pretty good public site for anything related to the USMC.


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12377 times:

It is either a C-17 or C-5 that does the job. Depending upon where he is traveling and what the needs of the mission are, either the SH-3 or SH-60 will be torn down, loaded up and flown to the FOB.


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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3994 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12285 times:



Quoting BristolFlyer (Thread starter):
heaven forbid he should have to travel in anything other that big green gas guzzler

You might find this an entertaining read:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...&s=presidential+helicopter#ID81385

Peter Smile



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User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12207 times:



Quoting Bingo (Reply 7):
Its not one of the HMX birds because pics of those guys are unauthorized (for good reason).

Not quite true.



You too can google. VH-3 prepped for load.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12049 times:

Most any deployment within the US it's flown to the site. I've seen it pass through BNA several times.

Quoting Bingo (Reply 7):
Its not one of the HMX birds because pics of those guys are unauthorized

Not true at all..... I've stood just feet away from HMX-1 and took pictures of it with the Marine Guard standing right there. Never said a word. The only thing I was not allowed to go within the arch of the rotor head. Back years ago then Pres Clinton made a stop in New Hampshire and they keep the HMX fleet in our hangar.



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User currently offlineACW367 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12042 times:

On his European tour he would have been leapfrogging the VH3s as he requires Helicopters at his departure airfield as well as the arrival airfield. For example the ones used in London would not have come from Paris. And similarly there would have been a another set in Belfast.

Anyone know how many different sets of VH3s were used for this 7 day - 6 country tour.


User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11979 times:



Quoting ACW367 (Reply 13):
Anyone know how many different sets of VH3s were used for this 7 day - 6 country tour.

Probably a mixture of VH-3s and VH-60s I would think. 6 countries would probably involve about 6 helicopters minimum, assuming that they flew between some of the countries.



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User currently offlineBingo From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11818 times:



Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 11):
Not quite true.

Doesnt mean there arent pictures of it...

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
Not true at all..... I've stood just feet away from HMX-1 and took pictures of it with the Marine Guard standing right there. Never said a word. The only thing I was not allowed to go within the arch of the rotor head. Back years ago then Pres Clinton made a stop in New Hampshire and they keep the HMX fleet in our hangar.

You had me at Clinton. Post 9-11 this wouldnt happen. Unless its approved by the Squadron Commander photographs and tours are strictly prohibited within the security perimeter. Violation could lend the Security Forces Duty Crew in deep trouble. They are pretty anal about this stuff now-a-days...


User currently offlineStudeDave From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11809 times:



Quoting CX747 (Reply 8):
the SH-3 or SH-60

For the record~ the birds flown by HMX-1 and known as 'Marine One' are of the "VH" variety, not "SH". They are a very very different helicopter inside...



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User currently offlineChecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11793 times:



Quoting Bingo (Reply 14):
You had me at Clinton. Post 9-11 this wouldnt happen. Unless its approved by the Squadron Commander photographs and tours are strictly prohibited within the security perimeter. Violation could lend the Security Forces Duty Crew in deep trouble. They are pretty anal about this stuff now-a-days...

Things are not quite what you say they are either...lets just say its well protected, but family members may be given tours and take photo's when the POTUS isn't around.


User currently offlineBingo From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11766 times:



Quoting Checksixx (Reply 16):
Things are not quite what you say they are either...lets just say its well protected, but family members may be given tours and take photo's when the POTUS isn't around.

Family members fall into a different category than a mechanic is some random hangar in New Hampshire. They are cleared through each team member's security screening process for one. Second, any and all family visits must cleared by someone in a position to approve such a thing :ie the squadron commander or senior person on the security detail. Like I've said a few times...doesnt mean it happens 110% but its not anywhere as lacking as you all make it out to be...


User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11720 times:

I not sure what it was but the C5 or C17 landed at RAF Northolt, only heard and felt it as it came over the office close to RAF Northolt for ladning, I think it's still there as I've not heard it takeoff yet. I assume it was something to do with the Presidents visit as we very rarely get stuff that big at Northolt. It sounded awesome by the way.  Big grin


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User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11642 times:



Quoting Bingo (Reply 17):
but its not anywhere as lacking as you all make it out to be...

And it is far from the anal probing you make it out to be.

Quoting Bingo (Reply 14):
strictly prohibited within the security perimeter

This perimeter is not so huge that you can not take a picture. And certainly how they breakdown their aircraft for C-5/C-17 transport is not secretive. It is no different than any other H-3/H-60.



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User currently offlineACW367 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11606 times:



Quoting Gman94 (Reply 18):
not sure what it was but the C5 or C17 landed at RAF Northolt, only heard and felt it as it came over the office close to RAF Northolt for ladning,

6 or 7 USAF C-17 flights were scheduled into Northolt between the Thursday before the Presidents arrival and yesterday (Tuesday). They are taking the cars as well as the Helicopters. I understand that they are only leaving Northolt with Min fuel and are dropping into Mildenhall to top up the fueltanks before heading back to the US.


User currently offlineBingo From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11550 times:



Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 19):
And it is far from the anal probing you make it out to be.

Cute. Next time you’re up at KNYG stop by my office and we can test your theory.

Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 19):
This perimeter is not so huge that you can not take a picture. And certainly how they breakdown their aircraft for C-5/C-17 transport is not secretive. It is no different than any other H-3/H-60.

It's not the tear down that makes it secretive, its the ECM package carried on each bird that does.


User currently offlineChecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11547 times:

Bingo...I have family assigned to HMX-1...Dragon is correct in saying that its not all that to get pictures, tours and such. I don't think anyone here meant some 'john' off the street gaining access to the flightline/hangar, but rather we just implied that it can easily be done if you know someone.

User currently offlineNite92 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 48 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11415 times:



Quoting Bingo (Reply 14):
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
Not true at all..... I've stood just feet away from HMX-1 and took pictures of it with the Marine Guard standing right there. Never said a word. The only thing I was not allowed to go within the arch of the rotor head. Back years ago then Pres Clinton made a stop in New Hampshire and they keep the HMX fleet in our hangar.

You had me at Clinton. Post 9-11 this wouldnt happen. Unless its approved by the Squadron Commander photographs and tours are strictly prohibited within the security perimeter. Violation could lend the Security Forces Duty Crew in deep trouble. They are pretty anal about this stuff now-a-days...



Quoting Checksixx (Reply 22):
Bingo...I have family assigned to HMX-1...Dragon is correct in saying that its not all that to get pictures, tours and such. I don't think anyone here meant some 'john' off the street gaining access to the flightline/hangar, but rather we just implied that it can easily be done if you know someone.

Howdy all. I worked at HMX-1 for 8 years as a helo mechanic. Still have friends that work there. For the record, it's always been the rule of thumb that you stayed outside the rotor arc. Nothing about the OUTSIDE of the aircraft is secret or top secret. It's the inside that's top secret. Anyone who knows anything about military ECM equipment can sit back and look at the AC and tell what it has and what it's capable/not capable of.

As for who can take tours of the AC...it really all depends on what the mission type is, and when it's hot. Given enough notice, you can bring pretty much anyone in for a tour...even today. It all depends on the mission commander.

To the original question, they're broken down and stuffed inside C-5's and C-17s. Even though the C-17 has and can land at Quantico, they can't do a full mission load due to the small runway. Fully loaded C-17 can't take off in 3450 feet...even if it can...they won't for safety reasons. As for what aircraft they use...C-17 or C-5...it all depends on what the AF has available at the time to do the mission.


User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11382 times:



Quoting Bingo (Reply 21):
Cute. Next time you’re up at KNYG stop by my office and we can test your theory.

Probably wont be much of a hassle really. Several contacts on both the green and white side. Maybe you are part of the security detail for HMX, and you are proud of what you guys do. And you should be, but there is no need to say...

Quoting Bingo (Reply 7):
Its not one of the HMX birds because pics of those guys are unauthorized (for good reason).

...because that is just not true. My god, someone passing on the Amtrak train, or on a boat in the Potomac could take a picture of the flightline and helicopters.



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25 EMBQA : Nite92... I want to say my exposure would have been the winter of 1995.. The Air side of HMX-1 were great and very friendly. The Gunny Sgt told us th
26 Nite92 : I had just gotten to the White side in '95. Things have gotten a bit stricter security wise, but it's not as anal as it's been made out to be here. Y
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