Irasna From Pakistan, joined May 2002, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3236 times:
Military aircraft crashes are an everyday affair in India. This is a country with one of the largest military machines in the world. It aspires to be a regional superpower. It has good planners and highly trained people running the various arms of the armed forces. Then why this dismal safety record ? Is this lack of motivation and morale, poor maintenance standards or something else ?
Airindia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1655 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3235 times:
This is only lack of interest that the government has in the air force or for that matter even in the civil aviation. The Defence Budget of india is aprrox 10% of the GDP roughly 10.2 Bn $. but majority of this goes into the terretorial Army development leaving little for the IAF. Although recent inductions of Sukhois have bolstered the force but it still lacks the teeth to bite any formidable regional enemy.
Indianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3240 times:
Just a small correction AirIndia. $10.2 bn equals approx 2.7% of the GDP and not 10%. But yes this means India is among the lowest spenders on defence in the World.
Pak spends anywhere between 7-8% currently.
The latest crash proves that India needs an AJT asap. Right now pilots go str8 from the subsonic Kiran Trainer Jets to Mach-2 Fighters/Bombers which is what causes so many crashes. Ovr 90% of the crashes involve student pilots!
But both the contenders (the British Hawk and Russian Mig-AT) are stuck in controversies, while trhe indegenously designed HJT-36 hasnt got past the prototype stage.
Till then i guess pilots are going to be used as cannon fodder!
Contact_tower From Norway, joined Sep 2001, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3244 times:
You can't blame all the crashes on the fact that the pilots move from a old subsonic trainer to a frontline fighter. If things are done properly, it is not a problem.
It's done in many countries, whitout the same problems. (ex: 30 year old Sk-60 to Viggen or Gripen)
I should think they need to focus on flight safety and training on what they have before focusing on new equipment. If you have a innsufficent flight safety culture you will get lots of incidents no matter what you fly.
(The Kiran is basically like a Jet Provost, or along those lines???)
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3228 times:
Losses are bound to happen in military aviation. I can remember that a few years ago the US lost about one military aircraft a day due to accidents and noone thought that was weird.
There are many possible reasons:
In the 1980s the Royal Netherlands Air Force lost a lot of F-5s (about one a month which is a lot given the low numbers we had, about 200 top).
Most flew against powercables during lowflying training in Norway. Initially pilot error was put forward (as it often is, dead men can't complain), but in the end someone woke up and discovered that those cables were not on the stripcharts used by the moving map display.
Just to illustrate a lot of things can cause crashes...
LY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3175 times:
"israelis use these planes to spy and destroy various parts of my country. (LEBANON)"
Oh, for crying out loud...
The IDF/AF does not have any Mirages, the last were retired over 20 years ago (replaced by F-16's courtesy of the big-Big Satan). The Kfir was retired 10 years ago. The only dedicated recoinassance a/c in the IDF/AF today is the RF-4E and local F-4E modifications. Various transport a/c (Like the 707) are also used to gather intel info, but they are operated from Israeli airspace.
FlyHigh@tom From United Arab Emirates, joined Sep 2001, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 3120 times:
Ok here we go, i do not know abt the cause of the jaguar crash but we cannot actually keep blaming the pilots for the Mig21 crashes so far. Most of the crashes were due to engine flameouts or other technical problems.
Till date have a look at the attrition rate:
Mig21 ~ 130 (5 in the past 3 months of which 3 in april alone)
Mig23 ~ 20
Mig27 = 20
Jaguar = 19 (1 this month)
Harrier ~ 8
Mig 29 = 5 (1 in the last month)
Mirage 2000 = 3 (1 of them was lost during a fly past)
Clearly we can see that the culprit is the good old Mig21. they clearly are outliving their lives in the IAF.(while taking away lives of a few good men as well)
maintenance deficiencies is a prime factor in most of the crashes. In today's world the IAF(Indian Airforce...) depends still heavily on these Aeging Mig21s...which actually is very bad for the defence. The govt has got to wake up.