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Spanish Police Nail Iran F-4/F-14 Parts Smugglers  
User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6489 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4058 times:

According to The Wall Street Journal, Spanish police have busted a smuggling ring (allegedly tied to Iran) which was attempting to smuggle F-4 and F-14 parts:

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MADRID (AFP)--Spanish police said Friday they have broken up a network suspected of smuggling spare parts for military aircraft to a country in the Middle East, which Spanish media identified as Iran.

[...]

Europa Press said the parts were for F4 and F14 fighters jets, Hercules transport planes and helicopters.

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Original article: Spain Police Smash Network Smuggling Military Aircraft Parts


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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13216 posts, RR: 77
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3970 times:

So despite the loud Iranian claims about those various re-engineered F-5 versions, they still feel the need to try and keep airworthy some US types all at least 30 years or more old.

If I were them, I'd concentrate on the Mig-29's and the inadvertent gifts from Saddam in the shape of the SU-24's.


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3613 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

If the F-14 and F-4 were beyond repair, they wouldn't try to smuggle them. This means that the F-4 and F-14 could still be airworthy, at least some of them...

Let's just hope we will not see USAF F-18 Super Hornets vs F-14s soon. But even if we will, I am pretty confident the outdated F-14s will stand no chance against sophisticated Awacs-supported, Amraam equipped F-18s...


User currently offlineP3Orion From United States of America, joined May 2006, 544 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3815 times:



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 2):
Let's just hope we will not see USAF F-18 Super Hornets vs F-14s soon

The Air Force does not fly the F-18. Only the Navy and the Marine Corps.



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3711 times:



Quoting P3Orion (Reply 3):
The Air Force does not fly the F-18. Only the Navy and the Marine Corps.

An allusion to when the SECDEF makes the AF start buying a more affordable fighter  Smile

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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3698 times:



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 2):
If the F-14 and F-4 were beyond repair, they wouldn't try to smuggle them. This means that the F-4 and F-14 could still be airworthy, at least some of them...

Of course they have. along with F4, F5, Mig29, Flankers, Fencers, Chinooks, UH1's etc.
http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/amirtomcat/3221/

They have build an industry durig the last 20 years to support and even launched signiicant support programs.

During the Iran/Iraq war the Iran Airforce was even secretly supported via Israel. Sadam winning the war was considered more dangerous than supporting Komeini.


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3613 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3685 times:



Quoting P3Orion (Reply 3):
The Air Force does not fly the F-18. Only the Navy and the Marine Corps.

It was late yesterday  Wink


User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 913 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3529 times:

IMO a modern F/A-18EF would wipe the floor with a IAF F-14A. Tomcats are great aircraft, but thses ones are still 30 years old and not upgraded. Im pretty sure in a conflict they wouldnt even take off.

User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3467 times:



Quoting Oroka (Reply 7):
IMO a modern F/A-18EF would wipe the floor with a IAF F-14A. Tomcats are great aircraft, but thses ones are still 30 years old and not upgraded. Im pretty sure in a conflict they wouldnt even take off.

Either that, or the F-15s F-16s and F-22s would wipe them off the sky shortly. And please God forbid this from ever happening, because winning air-to-air is the least of the concerns compared to the mess that would ensue.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3458 times:

Remember, the IIAF F-14s are all (lessor) F-14As, the lessor version of the USN F-14A. They have only yhr TF-33 engine, which the USN found very problematic during the 1990s and up until the F-14A retirement.

The F/A-18E/F will still have a very difficult time against the F-14As, but US CAP will be provided by F-15Cs and F-22As, should it ever come to hostilities between the US and Iran. The F-15C/F-22A will not have very mush difficulty with the F-14As.

But, everyone seems to by-pass the bigger threat here, the IIAF F/RF-4D/Es. This multi-role airplane is still very formidable. It has excellent low-level capabilities, and is a very good bomber that can defend itself.


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3456 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
The F/A-18E/F will still have a very difficult time against the F-14As, but US CAP will be provided by F-15Cs and F-22As, should it ever come to hostilities between the US and Iran. The F-15C/F-22A will not have very mush difficulty with the F-14As.

The quality and training of the crew are at least as important as the type aircraft flown. Given a veteran F-14A pilot vs a nugget in a Super Bug... I like the F-14A odds...



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3301 times:



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 10):
The quality and training of the crew are at least as important as the type aircraft flown. Given a veteran F-14A pilot vs a nugget in a Super Bug... I like the F-14A odds...

I don't know, but the US fighter pilots are as good as the Israelis. That could be some very long odds for the IIAF F-14A crew.


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3613 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3261 times:



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 10):
The quality and training of the crew are at least as important as the type aircraft flown. Given a veteran F-14A pilot vs a nugget in a Super Bug... I like the F-14A odds...

Yes, but despite all needs to save taxpayer money, which is a concern especially in the German Air Force, I would bet that this favours the US, as well. Don't forget that Iranian F-14s, if still able to fly, have only limited amounts of spare parts available. This means that they can only have limited flying hours in order to last as long as possible.

But, to say it again: I hope such a war will not be necessary. This could set the whole world on flames...


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