Geotrash From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 326 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
If that story is true, what an a$$hole! He got what he deserved. Too bad it took the lives of 3 other souls as well.
Hkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1211 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Oh my god! I hadn't seen this before nor had I heard about it. Why didn't the senior commanders take action when they were asked to regarding the pilot's behaviour? If the crew members were complaining for years, the senior officers should've looked into the matter. I'm not familiar with the story & just gathered all the information from what the narrator was saying in the clip. Could someone explain the story?
Trickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 6 Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Wow! is all I have to say.
Its better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than be in the air wishing you were on the ground. Fly safe!
SSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Too low, too steep, too whatever, that's too stupid and too incompetant of the pilot and the senior officials. God bless the wife and three children mentioned and the others who didn't deserve to have their lives taken.
Pakistania From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
It was both Captain Holland, who missed that mountain ridge by 30 ft. some time earlier. Same captain on this incredible flight at Fairchild AFB when he pushed the B-52 beyond its maneuvering capabilities.
Sad too see that this was forseeable...
Must be in the early nineties.
Jhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6193 posts, RR: 15 Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
The vice commander of the outfit was killed because he wouldn't trust this guy to any other pilots (so he rode personally with him).
Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
Cpt Underpants From Canada, joined May 2001, 166 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
The article found at the link below is long, but makes interesting reading. It's called "Darker Shades of Blue" and it discusses the situation with the aircraft commander at length. A truly avoidable tragedy.
David B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 15 Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
I've seen this on TV as well. The picture was obviously cleaner. If memory serves, the copilot ejected just before impact. In clean slo-mo, you could see it. Of course, it was futile.
LY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 13 Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 32767 times:
That's Lt Colonel Holland, Pakistania.
I don't know what exactly Hkgspotter said (although I can easily imagine), but I don't see how that justifies your, how should I put it, not-very-intelligent reply, National_757. Not really sure what the hell that is supposed to prove, IMO, the Flanker picture is the best of the bunch. The inclusion of the B-2 pic is particularly ironic.
IMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6049 posts, RR: 50 Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
I'm also confused about the post by National_757. Do you mean that since the Chinese Air Force "isn't much better" mean that, in fact, the Chinese Air Force is better than the USAF? Clarification please.
I think a test for people to live in the southwest US should be no A/C in the car for a summer.
Cheshire From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 111 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Not widely known is that a mere 100m from where the aircraft crashed was a nuclear weapon storage facility- can you imagine what would have happened if this a/c came down on top of it? And in addition to clearing a gorge by 30ft, Holland once flew his B-52 over his daughter's softball game and corkscrewed it, much to the 'delight' of his crew.
EssentialPowr From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1820 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Gotta love armchair pilots, particularly those that know "everything" about this crew.
Bobs89irocz From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 630 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Yes, the video is real....ive seen it a few times. You can actually buy a tape with military accidents/crashes that has this crash in them. Very STUPID move. Wish the commander would have been stopped before this stunt. Did the co-pilot make it out alive? Someone said above that he ejected but ive never herd of or seen that before.
Chdmcmanus From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 374 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
No one survived it. We use the accident report as a CRM case study now.
ChD
"Never trust a clean Crew Chief"
25 Maiznblu_757: It is true. I heard this story a while ago. As the sang goes, 'There are old pilots and there are bold pilots. There are no old bold pilots'
26 Maiznblu_757: Apparently, the senior officer didnt believe any of the 'rumors'about his flying habits. Nobody else wanted to fly with him, so he did.
27 KYIPpilot: I was talking to a former KC-135 pilot who flew during the Vietnam War era, and knew about this B-52 pilot. As reckless as he was, apparently he was a
28 RockyRacoon: Where'd this guy get his lisence, out of a cracker jacks box? Completely asinine!!! peace
29 KYIPpilot: Rocky, did you read what I wrote? Apparently he was an excellent pilot for AF check airmen, but on his own was a risk taker.
30 LY744: Wow, this thread goes waaaay back, how come it wasn't archived (just out of curiosity)? LY744.
31 USAFHummer: Wow...that is one of the most unbelievable things Ive ever seen, especially the nap-of-the-earth stunts this moron was doing... Greg
32 Sovietjet: Wow I've had this video for a while but I never knew where or how it happened.
33 Jcxp15: I know someone who personally flew with him on several occasions who knew one day he would get himself into an accident. Many pilots and crews refused
34 Dc-10tech: That accident happened sometime in 95-96 I believe. They were practicing for an airshow.
35 Lehpron: I heard the pilot thought he was a hotshot and basically got in trouble a bunch of times, why or how he was still allowed to fly is beyond me.
36 SlamClick: Lots of uninformed opinion here. As usual, once there is an event (plane crash, 9-11, etc. etc.) the armchair experts immediately jump on the now-obvi
37 747400sp: I believe this crash happened in 1994, I remember seeing news footage of it then.
38 SickBird: I guess this famous case study usually comes to the conclusion that Holland did not realize he was so close to the nuclear weapons bunker which is str
39 Chdmcmanus: SickBird, not to nitpick, but the B-52 does not have an FE. That's due to LeMay, but that is a different story. The CRM studies I have read concerning
41 SickBird: I asked the FE again and he said it was the co-pilot that said that. He had to study it during his tech school years ago.
42 Duce50boom: SlamClick, What gives? I think that your post joins the "uninformed opinion" you decry. I can't believe a professional airline pilot would have your o
43 Duce50boom: Sickbird, I think I know what flight you're talking about. IIRC, it was a 727 flying into Alaska or something. I want to say the pilot was below glide
44 SickBird: Duce, that was one of the most interesting posts I have read on this forum yet, thanks for all that information. And as for the last words of the FO,
45 Duce50boom: Was he a 130 FE? If he was on the ECs that explains the weirdness, all those electrons and s**t The line by the F/O was true. Just happened with a dif
46 HaveBlue: Duce50boom, thanks for the link to the Darker Shades of Blue: A Case Study of Failed Leadership article. I just now finished reading in its entirety,
47 SickBird: Yes, the FE I was talking too is currently works on EC-130's, and yes, all those electrons cant be good for the air crew and would explain so sh*t tha
48 SlamClick: Duce50boom I believe that you misunderstand my intent. My remarks were not directed toward B-52 crewmembers and former crew who might actually know so
49 Duce50boom: SlamClick, I can see your point, although I still disagree with it. Everyone's got an opinion, and sometimes your opinion is influenced by what friend
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