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French Presidency Will Get Its "Air Force One"  
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2806 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9343 times:

I've seen this in a French article :

http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/200...-offre-un-airbus-presidentiel-.php

Quote:
French Presidency has announced that it will order three planes: two Falcons 7x and one A330-200.

The purchase of these 3 planes has been revealed by La Dépêche du Midi on Wednesday and confirmed in the evening by the French presidency. According to this newspaper, the A330 will be refurbished and reequipped by Sabena Technics based in Merignac, near Bordeaux.

The two Falcon 7x [...] will replace two Falcons 900 and four Falcons 50 used by the Government. Some are 20 years old.

[...]

According Jean-Dominique Merchet, defense specialist of newspaper Libération, the second hand A330-200 would be purchased from Air Caraibes (registration F-OPTP).

[...]

The current presidential plane, an A319CJ bought in 2002, needed to do stopovers on long-haul flights.

[...] Sabena did not say much on what will be implemented on the plane, but we can guess that it will be equipped with secured means of communication, a bedroom, a bathroom (as it is the case on the A319) as well security systems like anti-missile devices.

[...]

The total amount has not been revealed, but some specialists say it would cost between 100 and 300 million euros, all paid by the Ministry of Defense

This would be the next French presidential plane:

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[Edited 2008-09-18 07:44:03]


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User currently offlineMaxisno1 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2007, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9298 times:

Interesting! At least they are going for something more reasonable then the Jordanians!  Wink

User currently offlineTommyBP251b From Germany, joined Apr 2006, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9264 times:



Quoting Maxisno1 (Reply 1):
At least they are going for something more reasonable then the Jordanians! Wink

Yeah like Germany did with the LH A340.



Tom from Cologne
User currently onlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9069 times:

But still not as Mr. George W. Bush air force 1  Wink

User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2806 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9065 times:



Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 3):
But still not as Mr. George W. Bush air force 1 Wink

No, but I think he should change his plane as well. How old is Air Force One?



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8906 times:

I think Reagan at the end of his term was the first President to fly on it

User currently offlineAAmd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8838 times:



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
How old is Air Force One?

Built in 1987. In service since 1990.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8403 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8838 times:



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
No, but I think he should change his plane as well. How old is Air Force One?

In terms of hours, the 2 VC-25 are very young (10,000 hours or so?). There would be no need to replace them yet, given they are in perfect condition.


This seems like a nice compromise for the French. France is a great nation that deserves a good vehicle for their president. To buy used is an astute move on their part.


User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8764 times:

What do the French Air Force do with their A340-200?


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User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1870 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8735 times:



Quoting GrahamHill (Thread starter):
French Presidency has announced that it will order three planes: two Falcons 7x and one A330-200.

The information about the A330 is online on CH-Aviation since about May 2008... Sometimes the media are very slow....


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2806 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8685 times:



Quoting 413X3 (Reply 5):
I think Reagan at the end of his term was the first President to fly on it



Quoting AAmd11 (Reply 6):
Built in 1987. In service since 1990.

Thanks guys!

Quoting Flighty (Reply 7):
There would be no need to replace them yet, given they are in perfect condition.

Indeed. I did not know she had so little hours of flight.

Quoting Irobertson (Reply 8):
What do the French Air Force do with their A340-200?

I have absolutely no idea!

Quoting Viasa (Reply 9):

The information about the A330 is online on CH-Aviation since about May 2008... Sometimes the media are very slow....

Well, let's say it's been "official" since yesterday  Wink



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineHSVflier From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8509 times:

The A340-200 is used as a troop transport i believe.


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8403 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8428 times:



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 10):
Indeed. I did not know she had so little hours of flight.

Oh that was strictly guesswork. Nobody probably knows, but its flight habits are fairly well understood. If it's 20 years old now, it probably flies 2-3 hours per day... 1,000 hrs per year... maybe more like 18,000 hours each. At any rate, they do not maintain airline-like rates, like UA or NW's 744s which fly 10 to 13 hours a day, making them 3 to 4 times more fatigued. Not to mention the "rougher" treatment of airline use.

So these VIP jets (under 24/7 security and strictly clean) have a virtually unlimited mechanical lifespan. Instead I believe the thing that wears out is the style and technology of the interior, which needs updates from time to time.


User currently onlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1319 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8356 times:



Quoting 413X3 (Reply 5):
I think Reagan at the end of his term was the first President to fly on it

George HW Bush "took the delievery" so to speak during the middle of his term.



"We have a right to fail, because failure makes us grow" --Glenn Beck
User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8326 times:



Quoting GrahamHill (Thread starter):
This would be the next French presidential plane

This due respect, this should be in the military forum were I started earlier a similar thread.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/military/read.main/96794/


User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8284 times:



Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 3):
But still not as Mr. George W. Bush air force 1

Just want to point out the plane belongs to and says United States of America on the side.

It does not belong to any one president anymore than the French aircraft will belong to Nicholas Sarkozy.

Checko



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8257 times:



Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 3):
But still not as Mr. George W. Bush air force 1

Huh?

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
No, but I think he should change his plane as well. How old is Air Force One?

As others have stated, and it doesn't have the same fuel burn as normal passenger 747-200's, it has the same engines as the 744 on it IIRC. Also the plane has special capabilities, such as inflight refueling and so forth.



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8194 times:



Quoting Irobertson (Reply 8):
What do the French Air Force do with their A340-200?



Quoting HSVflier (Reply 11):
The A340-200 is used as a troop transport i believe.

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They are actually 2 A342 : F-RAJA, F-RAJB. 2 ex Austrian Airlines birds (OE-LAG / AH )


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7638 times:

2 Falcon 7Xs have also been ordered to replace Falcon 900s , and some Falcon 2000s will arrive to replace the Falcon 50s.
The A319s will be sold.


User currently offlineOvrpowrd727 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7288 times:

Why didn't the ministry just buy the planes new?? they have spent on other items it seems like they may have had the funding to do so. now the French gov't must pay to have the airframe fitted to their specs instead of just getting it from the beginning

User currently offlineHypersonic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7247 times:

Of course our own PM Brown in all his wisdom, dumped 'BlairForceOne' as it was frivilous...

Then it bites him on the ass...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3761092.ece

article from April...  Smile


User currently offlineOvrpowrd727 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7247 times:

sorry, im asking about the 330's, sorry about that

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6752 times:



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
No, but I think he should change his plane as well.

He will change it to smaller aircraft like Gulfstreams, Learjets etc....next January.
President Obama or President McCain will continue to fly the VC 25A for at least 4 years.

Quoting Irobertson (Reply 8):
What do the French Air Force do with their A340-200?

It is a troop transport aircraft airline configuration no VIP aircraft.
What will happen with the A319ACJ which is currently the VIP aircraft will it be kept or sold ?



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6587 times:

Hey, there was no fair competition to determine who should supply the frames.

Boeing should have had a fair shot at this  devil 

(And before I get  flamed  by the humor challenged, this is all tongue in cheek and is intended as a joke!)

Congratulations to France. Will these aircraft be civil registered, or operated strictly as military aircraft?



Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6497 times:



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
No, but I think he should change his plane as well. How old is Air Force One?

HUH?? Are you serious??? I really hope not.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
25 GrahamHill : Sorry! I did not think about checking in the military forum. One of the reason is that they would get the plane faster. The article said they will se
26 Bongodog1964 : Any red blooded man accompanied by Madame Sarkozy would be emphasing the need for the bedroom
27 DfwRevolution : The VC-135s (SAM 2700) was about 18 years old when the VC-25s took over in 1990. Wouldn't you know it, the VC-25s turn 18 years old this year. SAM 27
28 Flighty : Practically speaking I can't figure out any reason why a new 747 would be any better than the "new 747" already being flown. They already have 747s i
29 BrowntailWhale : It's call sign will be "Surrender 1".
30 BladeLWS : The VC-25A's are THE best maintained aircraft in the world. After every trip they are inspected head to toe and anything showing even the slightest we
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