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Another Crash For Canada’s Snowbirds.  
User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6268 times:

Another Tutor CT-114 belonging to Canada’s aerobatic team, the Snowbirds, has crashed just outside of their base in Saskatchewan. Two members of the CAF lost their lives in this unfortunate incident, may they RIP. Piloting the aircraft was a member of the Snowbirds technical team who was a pilot-in-training, accompanying him was a photographer for the CAF.


Too many Canadian pilots have lost their lives flying for the snowbirds. Their archaic aircraft's need to be replaced or the squadron disbanded.


How does the Snowbirds safety record compare to other air force aerobatic teams?



http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewa...ory/2008/10/09/crash-military.html


KrisYYZ

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User currently offlineWestJetYQQ From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2987 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6252 times:

Just a terrible shame. I always love the Snowbirds when they come here to Comox for two or three weeks every spring.

A witness said he saw smoke coming from the plane and the formation immediately broke. The plane with towards the ground at a shallow angle.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl....20081010.CRASH10/TPStory/National

The team will continue to fly.

Cheers
Carson



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User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6214 times:
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My condolences to 15 Wing Moose Jaw. It is always sad to loose a CF Family member. Best wishes for the families who are going through such a hard time.

*To your fallen comrades SALUTE*

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User currently offlineYWG747 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6210 times:

These things seriously need to be retired.
They have been nothing but problems in the past few years.

RIP to those involved.


User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 913 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6035 times:

Pretty sure I heard on the radio, the actual team wasn't even in the area at the time. Sadly, if any more incidents like this happen, the team will be disbanded.

User currently offlineStudeDave From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6018 times:

First and foremost-  tombstone   pray  to / for the crew and their Families.
Everytime I've seen the 'Birds I know I've enjoyed their show. That many aircraft in formation at slower speeds is always way more impressive then just a few flying faster anyday!!! (and twice on Sunday)

Next, I just have to wonder~ is the aircraft really the cause in all of their recent mishaps?

"Old" aircraft do not always cause accidents.
Sometimes it's the weather, and sometimes it's not.
Sometimes a pilot is to blame, and sometimes it's not.
Sometimes a mechanic caused it, and sometimes not.
Sometimes it has nothing to do with any of the above...



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User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5966 times:



Quoting YWG747 (Reply 3):
These things seriously need to be retired.
They have been nothing but problems in the past few years.

Yes, the CT-114s are long in the tooth, but if you retire them,
with what do you replace them ? If you're going to maintain
an air demonstration team, that is.

Tucanos would probably suffice, but acquiring 8-10 more for
air demo is probably going to run $100M or more. At a time
when the bill for the Afghan conflict has just been made public,
and some very expensive contracts have been let for new lift,
and not to mention the projected cost of the new Arctic vessels
plus the fleet supply ships, and moreover the up-sizing of the
CF to 100K overall headcount, I think it might be a difficult sell
to fund a new air demo team.

That said, the Snowbirds are tremendous ambassadors for Canada.



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User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1014 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5895 times:

Decisions such as this (whether to stop flying a certain type of aircraft) need to be made unemotionally. The fact is, the report on the last crash which killed a Snowbirds pilot implicated the seat belt...i.e. the pilot went inverted and the seatbelt wasn't properly secured causing a loss of control and subsequent crash. That is not a failure of the aircraft. How about we all wait and see what actually caused this crash. Retiring the CT-114's may not be necessary. Those aircraft allow the Snowbirds to fly a particularly impressive show.

User currently onlineUltimateDelta From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2147 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5827 times:

Sad to hear. I remember being really impressed when I saw the at YWG in 2004.


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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4838 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5764 times:
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Very sad news. I was sorta surprised to see the Snowbirds perform in San Francisco today for Fleet Week. I guess they didn't even go up for practice yesterday and I was afraid they wouldn't be flying at all this weekend.


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User currently offlineFerrypilot From New Zealand, joined Sep 2006, 897 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5627 times:



Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter):
Too many Canadian pilots have lost their lives flying for the snowbirds. Their archaic aircraft's need to be replaced or the squadron disbanded.


How does the Snowbirds safety record compare to other air force aerobatic teams?

I would suspect most aerobatic team accidents are pilot error, on account of the very challenging environment. ...I also am inclined to think that most team members of national aerobatic teams no matter of which country are probably prepared to pay the highest price for the enormous privilege of representing their country. And in that same context remember that they are military pilots who have theoretically volunteered to fly in combat which is bound to be even more life threatening.


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