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How NOT To Emergency Land A Harrier!  
User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6160 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14162 times:

Tried a search, but couldn't find anything, so my apoligies if this has been posted before.

http://www.planemadness.com/2008/08/20/harrier-emergency-landing/

And this tidbit was posted on another forum (non-public access I'm afraid):
"Basically, the nose gear wouldn't come done. The Harrier has a backup system with a nitrogen bottle to blow the gear down in this event. Well, someone significantly outranking the pilot ordered him not to blow the gear down (which is the specified emergency procedure) b/c by his reasoning, if the nose gear didn't come down, he was afraid the jet would break its back by having all that weight on the long nose of the T-bird. With that, he elected to gather mattresses and strap them down to support the extended nose, and you have the obvious result.

"Normally" a Harrier that can't get it's gear to come down will suck up the gear and do a vertical landing on the strakes/gun pack, they'll jack the bird up, fix the gear, and it's back to flying rather quickly. In this case, the motor was hilariously trashed with mattress springs protruding out and everything."

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User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 913 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14156 times:

One of those 'seemed like a good idea at the time' moments Big grin

User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 8212 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14105 times:

I wonder if he still outranks the pilot.  Smile

User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 14069 times:

Wow...quite a video.

Don't let the use of the published EP's override good common sense  Wink

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineMissedApproach From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 713 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13605 times:



Quoting CPH-R (Thread starter):
someone significantly outranking the pilot ordered him not to blow the gear down

"Say again, you're coming in broken & stupid, over..."  Silly



Can you hear me now?
User currently offlineTexL1649 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13567 times:

I've long felt an IQ test of some sort was appropriate for folks promoted to O-6 and above.

User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13467 times:

haha i thought the mattress idea was pretty smart!

User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13440 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 6):
haha i thought the mattress idea was pretty smart!

lol, right?

We do it with helicopters, and it works well enough. But in those cases, there isn't the massive amount of jet wash thrashing the mattresses!

I've posted this video in a previous thread, but it seems fitting to this subject:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6LAEw7dEcxg

(Sorry, I would embed the video, but apparently we're no longer allowed to do so.  Yeah sure Thanks DM)

Anyway don't ask me what the guy at the 2:02 minute mark, is doing.... because I have no freakin' idea!

-UH60


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 8212 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13437 times:

Best not put DL767Captain in charge of Harrier Ops.

User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13176 times:



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 7):
But in those cases, there isn't the massive amount of jet wash thrashing the mattresses!

That's just a slight issue  Yeah sure


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4915 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12568 times:

Well the other thing that could have happened from this idiotic idea is that the mattresses could have easily caught fire from the very hot exhausts and set the whole aircraft on fire in a big inferno!!


56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
User currently offlineHercPPMX From United States of America, joined May 2008, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11076 times:

That happened at cherry point, NC a couple years ago, unless it's happened again. Thats what makes the presences of the "lawn darts" interesting you never know whats gonna go wrong next you just sort of know something is coming.
I wonder if this happened at the end of a training flight?



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 9016 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 10644 times:



Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 3):
Wow...quite a video.

Where's the vid?



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineQantas767 From Australia, joined Jul 2000, 101 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 10055 times:



Quoting CPH-R (Thread starter):
Well, someone significantly outranking the pilot ordered him not to blow the gear down

That is a good CRM issue - last time I went flying the A/C had the final say, regardless of the rank on board or on the ground...



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