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How NOT To Emergency Land A Harrier!  
User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5977 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13475 times:

Tried a search, but couldn't find anything, so my apoligies if this has been posted before.

http://www.planemadness.com/2008/08/20/harrier-emergency-landing/

And this tidbit was posted on another forum (non-public access I'm afraid):
"Basically, the nose gear wouldn't come done. The Harrier has a backup system with a nitrogen bottle to blow the gear down in this event. Well, someone significantly outranking the pilot ordered him not to blow the gear down (which is the specified emergency procedure) b/c by his reasoning, if the nose gear didn't come down, he was afraid the jet would break its back by having all that weight on the long nose of the T-bird. With that, he elected to gather mattresses and strap them down to support the extended nose, and you have the obvious result.

"Normally" a Harrier that can't get it's gear to come down will suck up the gear and do a vertical landing on the strakes/gun pack, they'll jack the bird up, fix the gear, and it's back to flying rather quickly. In this case, the motor was hilariously trashed with mattress springs protruding out and everything."

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User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13469 times:

One of those 'seemed like a good idea at the time' moments Big grin

User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7435 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13418 times:

I wonder if he still outranks the pilot.  Smile

User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13382 times:

Wow...quite a video.

Don't let the use of the published EP's override good common sense  Wink

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineMissedApproach From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 713 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12918 times:



Quoting CPH-R (Thread starter):
someone significantly outranking the pilot ordered him not to blow the gear down

"Say again, you're coming in broken & stupid, over..."  Silly



Can you hear me now?
User currently offlineTexL1649 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12880 times:

I've long felt an IQ test of some sort was appropriate for folks promoted to O-6 and above.

User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12780 times:

haha i thought the mattress idea was pretty smart!

User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12753 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 6):
haha i thought the mattress idea was pretty smart!

lol, right?

We do it with helicopters, and it works well enough. But in those cases, there isn't the massive amount of jet wash thrashing the mattresses!

I've posted this video in a previous thread, but it seems fitting to this subject:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6LAEw7dEcxg

(Sorry, I would embed the video, but apparently we're no longer allowed to do so.  Yeah sure Thanks DM)

Anyway don't ask me what the guy at the 2:02 minute mark, is doing.... because I have no freakin' idea!

-UH60


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7435 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12750 times:

Best not put DL767Captain in charge of Harrier Ops.

User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12489 times:



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 7):
But in those cases, there isn't the massive amount of jet wash thrashing the mattresses!

That's just a slight issue  Yeah sure


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4801 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 11881 times:

Well the other thing that could have happened from this idiotic idea is that the mattresses could have easily caught fire from the very hot exhausts and set the whole aircraft on fire in a big inferno!!


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User currently offlineHercPPMX From United States of America, joined May 2008, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10389 times:

That happened at cherry point, NC a couple years ago, unless it's happened again. Thats what makes the presences of the "lawn darts" interesting you never know whats gonna go wrong next you just sort of know something is coming.
I wonder if this happened at the end of a training flight?



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8941 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 9957 times:



Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 3):
Wow...quite a video.

Where's the vid?



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineQantas767 From Australia, joined Jul 2000, 101 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9368 times:



Quoting CPH-R (Thread starter):
Well, someone significantly outranking the pilot ordered him not to blow the gear down

That is a good CRM issue - last time I went flying the A/C had the final say, regardless of the rank on board or on the ground...



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