Squigee From Canada, joined May 2001, 652 posts, RR: 4 Posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13708 times:
Just saw this on a website:
The C130 Hercules is a large 4 engine transport aircraft that is designed to land on short unprepared airstrips. To demonstrate just how little runway it needs a demonstration was staged in the 1950's. It landed, without any special arrestor gear, on an aircraft carrier. What is even more interesting is that I met a Hercules specialist at the Edmonton Aviation Museum and he told me that they then took off from the same aircraft carrier without reversing back to the end of the deck.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16260 posts, RR: 52 Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13071 times:
AMAZING!
That pilot must of been sweating bricks, I wonder how slow the C-130's approach speed.
Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5441 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13034 times:
I think that hitting the bridge might have been a factor as well.
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Flyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3838 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13002 times:
Trident From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 484 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12911 times:
I'm sure this experiment took place in the 1970's (1975/76?). Although it proved the feasability of such an operation, it has never been tried as a matter of routine. JATO (jet assisted take off) is a standard feature of most Hercules and is usually used to assist heavily laden aircraft take off. Note also that the carrier would have been steaming into the wind at at least 20 knots which would have a big effect on shortening the landing and take off runs.
Don't forget that in 1942, the USAAF bombed Tokyo with B-25 Mitchell bombers which took off from the USS Hornet.
Geert From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 48 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13014 times:
Great video! But let's not talk about this landing as a very special thing. It just shows that the landing capabilities of planes like the hercules and large deck carriers match very well. The video doesn't amaze me with regard to the ease of the C130 handling, it makes it clear again how close the margins are for fast jets on carrier landings.
How come a fast jet landing looks easy to us and we are amazed by the C130? Kind regards!
Joewhi From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 140 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12849 times:
The aircraft carrier was USS Forrestal and the trials took place in OCT 1963. They made 29 touch and go's 21 unarrested full stop landings and 21 unassisted takeoffs, quite a remarkable piece of flying. The pilot. Lt James Flately later received the DFC.
Here's the full story http://www.theaviationzone.com/facts/forrestal.htm
Broke From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12771 times:
The only modification made to the C-130 for these tests was the installation of an anti-skid system. Because of the wing span of the C-130, the landing and take-off had to be displaced well to the left to avoid hitting the island structure. Because of this, the C-130 would not be able to use the standard visual/instrument landing system used on U.S. Navy carriers. As an aside, a U-2 also made some landings and take-offs from the Forrestal. Wing span, again, was a problem.
Go to http://www.airspacemag.com for 2 videos, one of an landing and the other of a take-off.
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12681 times:
I think the reason why that C-130 did not require an arrester gear was because the pilot reversed the props before touchdown to slow the aircraft down quite a bit to brake on touchdown.
Dash8tech From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 732 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12641 times:
It should be added also that with the ship making 30 knots or so into the wind that displaces that much speed on the approach also. They need 38 knots across the deck for flight ops, sometimes to make that the ship needs to create it itself. Might have been a factor also.
MD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1287 posts, RR: 22 Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12552 times:
I believe that the test pilot Flately made Admiral during his career and there was more than one modification. I believe from my murky memory that the low pitch stop was cammed out to allow the throttles to be brought into the beta range while in the air. Beta is essentially the 0 thrust angle on the props but it is not reverse. By doing this reverse was available at touchdown instead on a couple of seconds after touchdown. Also I rememebr being told that the wingtip clearance on the tower complex was less than 10'.
MD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1287 posts, RR: 22 Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12628 times:
Since this was a test to see if the C130 could be used successfully to bring oversized cargo to carriers, they probably experimented with many different ship speeds. Balls out on a new nuke carrier is suppossedly over 40 kts and I've been told it is way over, but I think the published top speed is 30-35kts. On a no wind day the carriers will go fast to make wind over the bow.
BTW. It was determined that using a C130 to bring aboard engines and such was an accident waiting to happen and the project was abandoned.
Squigee From Canada, joined May 2001, 652 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12467 times:
Sorry, LY744. I shouldn't have snapped at you. I posted it in this forum because I felt it was of interest to everyone, not just those interested in Military aspects.
Someday, we'll look back at this, laugh nervously, and then change the subject.
Erj-145mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 306 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12469 times:
The U-2 did not land on the deck, it was hoisted by a crane at the dock. The wingspan is too great to clear the "island". It was a JATO assisted take-off from the island to the bow.
Meister808 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 972 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12485 times:
About the JATO system on C-130s-
I believe that the JATO program was suspended after a crash in the 70's in which the JALanding thrusters kicked on while the a/c was still 50 feet in the air or so, resulting in the a/c having no forward speed at all when it slammed into the ground.. the a/c was also badly damaged.
Of course, the Thunderbirds (ithink) have a JATO C-130 that they do demos with at airshows.
-Meister
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LY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 11 Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12452 times:
I know Squigee, but that way we'll never get people to visit the military forum if all the cool stuff is already in Civil.
JATO (Jet Assisted Take Off) is still widely used on Herks all over the world AFAIK. The landing feature is probably not used, as Meister808 said. I think they considered using those in a plan to rescue the Iran hostages (something to do with landing a Spec Ops force in a C-130 on a soccer field with decceleration rockets and T/O with JATO).
LY744.
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25 MD88Captain: You guys are thinking about two specially modified C130s that were made to land and take off in a soccer stadium. They were built for the Iran Hostage
26 2912n: The Blue Angels support A/C, a USMC C-130 nicknamed "Fat Albert" routinely shows off the JATO short field takeoff capability of the C-130. (Selfless p
27 Jwenting: JATO is hardly used at all. The system is quite dangerous (you're lighting explosives under your ass ) and causes a lot of stress on the airframe. I d
28 TEDSKI: My NYANG unit the 109th Airlift Wing out of Schenectady NY, uses the JATO on their LC-130H ski birds when the aircraft can't takeoff from the ice runw
29 Tomh: As you have learned, non of this stuff is really new. The USN operated land-based RATO-equipped P2V Neptunes from carriers until the AJ-2 Savage was a
30 Globemaster: On the Hercules Section of http://www.globemaster.de/airextreme/ there is also a picture of the Herc taking off from the carrier.
31 Drcv41: Hey guys, here's a web address for the picture of the usmc kc-130f on the deck of the Forrestal in oct of 63. Also there is a picture a U-2 on the dec
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