Alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2690 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7877 times:
It seems that the company is going downhill right now. They lost the 5th generation fighter contest to Sukhoi, they lost the jet trainer competition to the yak-130, they are not really inolved in any major civil aircraft projects, with Sukhoi in charge of the Russian regional jet, their MIG-35 has been flying around without any orders, still waiting for the results of the Indian fighter competition. I believe that Sukhoi will become the future of Russian aerospace while Mig is a dying enterprise like McDonnel Douglas was in the 90's.
Any thoughts ???
[Edited 2008-11-11 18:02:01]
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Fridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1383 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7749 times:
Hire some of Sukhoi's Engineers maybe?
I'd hate to see MIG go down the tubes. They built some really great aircraft.
Maybe Obama will get a bail-out package going for them!
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Jackonicko From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 472 posts, RR: 11 Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7633 times:
"Hire some of Sukhoi's Engineers maybe?"
That would only further dilute MiG's design expertise.....
Sukhoi's inexorable rise has been based on Simonov's political savvy, not on any superiority in design or engineering expertise. As things changed in Russia, MiG under Belyakov and Waldenburg seemed old-style and Stalinist, while Simonov was more modern and more liberal.
Thus while the MiG-29K and MiG-29M withered, the Su-27IB, Su-27PU and Su-27M continued, just as MiG-29 upgrades were never funded as generously as Su-27 modification programmes.
And thanks to their contacts and influence, Sukhoi were allowed to pioneer the most innovative reforms, integrating the Design Bureau with its production plants, while MiG struggled on alone, deprived of Russian orders, and able to do little more than sell off modestly upgraded unsold white tails from Lukhovitskii.
And MiG had their own senior people replaced by people parachuted in from Sukhoi - people like Nikitin - leading many to assume that MiG was being softened up for a takeover. There have been a few moves away from that process, but not enough.
MiG were a great organisation, and despite the 'Stalinist' reputation, always seemed to have real old world charm that equalled their design genius. But personally, and with great regret, I don't think that MiG can survive. I look forward to being proved wrong.
Fridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1383 posts, RR: 11 Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7490 times:
R2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2282 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7250 times:
Actually, MiG and Sukhoi (along with most of the Russian aerospacece industry) are being merged into OAK, a sort of Russian EADS. The future for MiG must be to find its niche inside OAK, specializing in the design of certain aircraft within the group. I really hope MiG's design expertise doesn't disappear with the creation of OAK... it would be a huge mistake.
Sovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2342 posts, RR: 14 Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7202 times:
I think "Mig" is a term recognized globally much more than "Sukhoi". Particularly whenever the words "russian" and "fighter" are mentioned people usually think about Mig first and not Sukhoi.
SCAT15F From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 402 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6972 times:
The Mig bureau did come up with, and actually flew, the Mig 1.44, which, until the PAK-FA flies, is still the most advanced and highest performance Russian fighter ever built. In fact, the PAK-FA will be nearly identical in configuration and performance- but more than a dozen years later.
That's got to count for something.
I also think a good new-production Mig-31 upgrade is in order: more powerful/fuel efficient engines, more composites, newer wing, higher g-loading, and top speed upgraded to mach 3.2-3.5 with mach 2 supercruise capability.
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