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Presidential Campaign Candidates Flying Policy  
User currently offlineStickers From South Africa, joined Sep 2007, 105 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3514 times:

Not being an American, I am curious as to how all the campaign flying took place. From what I can gather the Presidential and Vice Pres. candidates of both parties campaigned in different places at the same time. This allowed them to gain maximum exposure to the public, hold twice as many rallies etc. I know that McCain and Obama had these to jet around in...


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(If you ask me, Obama had the much better deal, but that’s just my personal taste...)

I searched and found that Palin had this little beauty at her disposal...


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What did Joe Biden do? Take the train everywhere?  Wink Seriously though, did he and Obama co-ordinate their flying so as to minimise cost and environmental impact?? (Which would be quite amazing and commendable) or am I just missing the details somewhere?

Furthermore, I would like to know what happens when Obama campaigns again in four years time. Does he use the 747's or do he and his vice revert back to smaller more economical and enviro friendly options? (Who picks up the tab?) I know that no-one can see into the future, but I am hoping that someone can tell me what’s happened in the past. (Bush Snr, Clinton, and Bush Jnr all campaigned for second terms.)

Lastly, what are the criteria for deciding when Marine 1 is used as opposed to the 747's? I understand that Marine 1 is used for shorter trips, but does anyone know what the cut-off point is?


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User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2355 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3462 times:

From a couple of stories I read, Biden used a Sun Country 737, but I haven't seen any photos of it.

As the sitting President running for re-election, Obama, as with his predecessors, will use the VC-25 or other aircraft of the presidential fleet for campaign travel. As I understand it, on trips that are strictly "political" or campaign-related, the campaign will reimburse the government at a specified rate (usually equal to typical airfare), however that line can get blurred when the trip involves a mix of official and campaign business.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21730 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3421 times:



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 1):
From a couple of stories I read, Biden used a Sun Country 737, but I haven't seen any photos of it.

A Sun Country 737 did come into DAB when Biden was speaking here, which would seem to corroborate that.

-Mir



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User currently offlineStickers From South Africa, joined Sep 2007, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3406 times:

Thanks very much, Anyone have any word or info on the Marine 1 Question?

User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3348 times:



Quoting Stickers (Reply 3):
Thanks very much, Anyone have any word or info on the Marine 1 Question?

There are more aircraft in the Presidential fleet than just the two 747s (USAF designation VC-25A) and the Marine 1 helicopter.

There is also a fleet of four modified 757-200 aircraft (C-32) at his disposal, as well as some 737 BBJs (I forget the designation offhand or how many there are).

When George W. Bush ran for reelection in 2004, I believe he primarily used the C-32A into smaller cities, saving VC-25A for larger cities or cross-country trips.



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User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2948 times:



Quoting JBo (Reply 4):
as well as some 737 BBJs (I forget the designation offhand or how many there are).

- C40B and C40C (I believe) which are 737-700s.



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2922 times:



Quoting Stickers (Reply 3):
Thanks very much, Anyone have any word or info on the Marine 1 Question?

Marine 1 is used for local travel only, to and from the White House to Andrews AFB or Camp David, etc. On some international trips Marine 1 will be transported on a C-5 to provide a way to avoid travel on streets and roads.


User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2355 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2896 times:



Quoting 474218 (Reply 6):
Marine 1 is used for local travel only, to and from the White House to Andrews AFB or Camp David, etc. On some international trips Marine 1 will be transported on a C-5 to provide a way to avoid travel on streets and roads.

Not just international trips. I've often seen AF1 arrive at JFK, then Marine 1 fly POTUS to Manhattan, avoiding at least some of the traffic nightmare that would be caused by a Presidential motorcade driving through the streets of New York!



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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2888 times:



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 7):
Quoting 474218 (Reply 6):
Marine 1 is used for local travel only, to and from the White House to Andrews AFB or Camp David, etc. On some international trips Marine 1 will be transported on a C-5 to provide a way to avoid travel on streets and roads.

Not just international trips. I've often seen AF1 arrive at JFK, then Marine 1 fly POTUS to Manhattan, avoiding at least some of the traffic nightmare that would be caused by a Presidential motorcade driving through the streets of New York!

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Not just for international is right. I've seen Marine One here at DAB on different occassions.



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User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

OK, logistical type question. POTUS is flying from ADW to Texas. He gets on Marine One at The White House, flies to ADW, gets on a VC25 or C32, flies to Texas, lands at NFW, gets out of "Air Force One" and boards another "Marine One" and flies into town. Now, how does the C-5 that flies the Marine helicopter get the helicopter to NFW faster than a VC25 gets POTUS there? Or is there more that one helicopter that is assigned to the presidential detail?
David



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User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2355 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

Yes, there are several helicopters (just like there are 2 VC-25s) in the fleet. One (or more) are transported prior to his arrival, and are flown out after he leaves.


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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2820 times:



Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 8):
Not just for international is right. I've seen Marine One here at DAB on different occassions.

Neither Bush of Clinton have ever used Marine 1 in Atlanta. Always a motorcade right up Interstate 75/85 closing off the on/off ramps, backing up traffic.


User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2757 times:



Quoting 474218 (Reply 11):
Neither Bush of Clinton have ever used Marine 1 in Atlanta.

- Where would they land? Is there a suitable heliport near the government center or convention centers in downtown Atlanta? I'm not that familiar with downtown Atlanta, I always drive around the city when driving to FMY.

- I am sure that if POTUS was coming to Indy, they always motorcade to downtown, and then set up a TFR around downtown (which is a pain for ATC I'm sure).

David



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