Decoder From Finland, joined Jun 2005, 80 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 16190 times:
Hello fellow a.nutters. This is my first thread. I've been frequent to this site for years but only recently decided to join up.
I was browsing through Wikipedia and stumbled upon a page about the President of the United States. It states the following:
"President Bush currently earns $400,000 per year, along with a $50,000 expense account, a $100,000 nontaxable travel account, and $19,000 for entertainment"
After reading this I immediatelly thought that $100 000 will not get you very far if you're traveling with a 747, couple of C-17's and possibly other support aircraft. Will it cover the cost of filling up a 747 even once?
So probably this is not the whole story, but it does make you wonder how much is he allowed to spend on cruising around in his 747. Is it unlimited?
NYC2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 680 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16025 times:
All of this is guessing but...
Depending on what the WH has to spend out of its 100k it may be covered. Here is my guess as to how it breaks down.
Air Transportation - Planes are assigned to the Air Force as military transport. So, when he uses those planes to fly, he is acting as Commander in Chief. Air Force foots the bill. Since the US Secret Service deems it necessary for the president's safety they may pay the Air Force to transport the Presidential Motorcade.
Ground Transportaton - These are Secret Service vehicles...their responsibility.
Press on Air Force 1 - They don't fly for free. And doesn't the White House charter planes for the rest of the press traveling with the President? I wouldn't be suprised if the fares they pay are way above the cost of a seat on a commercial flight to the same destination.
Hotels - Only the actual suite the President and his immedate staff stay in...All other suites would come out of the budgets for their respective agencies (Secret Service, Air Force, etc.) Plus many times the President is attending a summit or a function of another state, which means lodging is pretty much covered for the President.
On Site Security - Again comes from Secret Service taking lead along with local/state law enforcement.
So while the White House may have 100k for travel, as you can see, the travel support costs are probably covered under someone else's budget.
Always wonderers if this "last and final boarding call" is in fact THE last and final boarding call.
Pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2371 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 15886 times:
There is a formula used for the President to "pay back" cost of personal travel. It by no means covers all the ancillary costs as outlined above for all the security and other expenses.
I don't recall the specifics of the formula for POTUS but around the world the most common one is to compensate based on an equivalent airline ticket.
Hotel rooms are also covered. For example the travel fund would be cover the President's accomodation and that of his family but not when the Secret Service books a whole floor for the President or insists he is in a secure suite. They often book rooms immediately below as well. But again the budget would not cover the whole security entourage etc.
Q120 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 15650 times:
When the president is out and about on AF1, you also have a few support aircraft, typically a C-17 or C-5 (I only seen C-5s) that carry the vehicles for the trip, and if he is flying to his destination in the country hes visiting, they also bring along a few helicopters each with a different role. Then you have the 757 that tags along for the trip.
so factor in the cost of all of that, plus return... I don't even want to think about it.
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results
USA9195 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15522 times:
Quoting TonyBurr (Reply 7): I do believe when he is flying on Air Force One (which is ANY plane the president is on)
Negative. Some searching on the internet will tell you Air Force One is reserved for the POTUS to be on ANY Air Force aircraft. If he were on a Navy aircraft it would be NAVY One, Army One, Marine One. Executive One is used if the President is on a commercial flight, as Richard Nixon did once travel commercial on a United a/c
Boeingdotcom From Singapore, joined Nov 2008, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15495 times:
United States President don't have to worry anything. The plane, fuel, services are paid by the Air Force. The secret service and cars in the C-17A are paid by the military. And where do the military get their money from- Tax payer.
President Bush's travel = Air Force money = tax payer money = economy recession
OT: Maybe it's time that the EU charges our president tax for the environment, then they will change a new Air Force 1, the B747-8I?
Manfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15465 times:
Quoting Boeingdotcom (Reply 9): President Bush's travel = Air Force money = tax payer money = economy recession
I gladly pay my taxes so the current President and the one after him can travel in comfort. If you had any idea the stresses on these men, you would think otherwise. I'm sure they would prefer being home rather than traveling across the world figuring out how to keep you and I safe.
To answer the thread starter's question: No, his expense account wouldn't cover 15 minutes of one flight in one year. This is all taxpayer money. The same taxes that pay for the roads we travel on and the bridges we cross, the police that keep us safe and the schools we are educated in. This is America....and I love every minute of it!
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12293 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 15155 times:
The actual travel expenses for the POTUS, VPOTUS, and First lady are not paid for by the President's, USAF, or Secret Service budgets. Since there is no way to predict how many hours will be needed each year, the White House has a budget just for these items. The President's budget pays back the WH budget, at a first class rate.
Lexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14781 times:
Quoting Boeingdotcom (Reply 9): United States President don't have to worry anything. The plane, fuel, services are paid by the Air Force. The secret service and cars in the C-17A are paid by the military. And where do the military get their money from- Tax payer.
Quoting Max Q (Reply 13): I would happily pay his way home if he would leave now..
I'll go ahead and second that even though it is off topic. Funny, but slightly OT. LOL!!
In the end, the taxpayers are paying for the POTUS travel. Now, I don't have a problem with that seeing as how important that job (POTUS) is to me and to many of our friends around the world.