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The President's Travel Budget  
User currently offlineDecoder From Finland, joined Jun 2005, 80 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15240 times:

Hello fellow a.nutters. This is my first thread. I've been frequent to this site for years but only recently decided to join up.

I was browsing through Wikipedia and stumbled upon a page about the President of the United States. It states the following:

"President Bush currently earns $400,000 per year, along with a $50,000 expense account, a $100,000 nontaxable travel account, and $19,000 for entertainment"

After reading this I immediatelly thought that $100 000 will not get you very far if you're traveling with a 747, couple of C-17's and possibly other support aircraft. Will it cover the cost of filling up a 747 even once?

So probably this is not the whole story, but it does make you wonder how much is he allowed to spend on cruising around in his 747. Is it unlimited?

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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9755 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15186 times:

It is all open available in the internet, you just need some time to read the items in the budget.

I haven*t got that time but I remember reading a while ago that the whole travel circus, with the two 747, the support C17s or C5As costs at least 1 Billion $ per year.

The salary and the allowances are peanuts and only Jimmy Carter worked for peanuts before, during and after hs presidency.



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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15146 times:

The US is over budget i'm sure the president can go over budget  Wink

User currently offlineNYC2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15075 times:

All of this is guessing but...

Depending on what the WH has to spend out of its 100k it may be covered. Here is my guess as to how it breaks down.

Air Transportation - Planes are assigned to the Air Force as military transport. So, when he uses those planes to fly, he is acting as Commander in Chief. Air Force foots the bill. Since the US Secret Service deems it necessary for the president's safety they may pay the Air Force to transport the Presidential Motorcade.

Ground Transportaton - These are Secret Service vehicles...their responsibility.

Press on Air Force 1 - They don't fly for free. And doesn't the White House charter planes for the rest of the press traveling with the President? I wouldn't be suprised if the fares they pay are way above the cost of a seat on a commercial flight to the same destination.

Hotels - Only the actual suite the President and his immedate staff stay in...All other suites would come out of the budgets for their respective agencies (Secret Service, Air Force, etc.) Plus many times the President is attending a summit or a function of another state, which means lodging is pretty much covered for the President.

On Site Security - Again comes from Secret Service taking lead along with local/state law enforcement.

So while the White House may have 100k for travel, as you can see, the travel support costs are probably covered under someone else's budget.



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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2296 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14936 times:

There is a formula used for the President to "pay back" cost of personal travel. It by no means covers all the ancillary costs as outlined above for all the security and other expenses.

I don't recall the specifics of the formula for POTUS but around the world the most common one is to compensate based on an equivalent airline ticket.

Hotel rooms are also covered. For example the travel fund would be cover the President's accomodation and that of his family but not when the Secret Service books a whole floor for the President or insists he is in a secure suite. They often book rooms immediately below as well. But again the budget would not cover the whole security entourage etc.


User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14928 times:

Well as he says " Yes we can"

BP1



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User currently offlineQ120 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14700 times:

When the president is out and about on AF1, you also have a few support aircraft, typically a C-17 or C-5 (I only seen C-5s) that carry the vehicles for the trip, and if he is flying to his destination in the country hes visiting, they also bring along a few helicopters each with a different role. Then you have the 757 that tags along for the trip.
so factor in the cost of all of that, plus return... I don't even want to think about it.

 sigh 



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User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14645 times:

I do believe when he is flying on Air Force One (which is ANY plane the president is on) that the military budget covers those expenses. It does help to have such a budget available.

User currently offlineUSA9195 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 14572 times:



Quoting TonyBurr (Reply 7):
I do believe when he is flying on Air Force One (which is ANY plane the president is on)

Negative. Some searching on the internet will tell you Air Force One is reserved for the POTUS to be on ANY Air Force aircraft. If he were on a Navy aircraft it would be NAVY One, Army One, Marine One. Executive One is used if the President is on a commercial flight, as Richard Nixon did once travel commercial on a United a/c


User currently offlineBoeingdotcom From Singapore, joined Nov 2008, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 14545 times:

United States President don't have to worry anything. The plane, fuel, services are paid by the Air Force. The secret service and cars in the C-17A are paid by the military. And where do the military get their money from- Tax payer.

Equ.
President Bush's travel = Air Force money = tax payer money = economy recession


OT: Maybe it's time that the EU charges our president tax for the environment, then they will change a new Air Force 1, the B747-8I?



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User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 14515 times:



Quoting Boeingdotcom (Reply 9):
President Bush's travel = Air Force money = tax payer money = economy recession

I gladly pay my taxes so the current President and the one after him can travel in comfort. If you had any idea the stresses on these men, you would think otherwise. I'm sure they would prefer being home rather than traveling across the world figuring out how to keep you and I safe.

To answer the thread starter's question: No, his expense account wouldn't cover 15 minutes of one flight in one year. This is all taxpayer money. The same taxes that pay for the roads we travel on and the bridges we cross, the police that keep us safe and the schools we are educated in. This is America....and I love every minute of it!



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User currently offlineFlipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14232 times:
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Quoting Manfredj (Reply 10):
traveling across the world figuring out how to keep you and I safe.

Does this mean bush will have to pay it back?

Fred


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12185 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14205 times:

The actual travel expenses for the POTUS, VPOTUS, and First lady are not paid for by the President's, USAF, or Secret Service budgets. Since there is no way to predict how many hours will be needed each year, the White House has a budget just for these items. The President's budget pays back the WH budget, at a first class rate.

User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13884 times:

I would happily pay his way home if he would leave now..


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User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13879 times:



Quoting Boeingdotcom (Reply 9):
The secret service and cars in the C-17A are paid by the military.

The US Military (DoD) does not fund the United States Secret Service.


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13831 times:



Quoting Boeingdotcom (Reply 9):
United States President don't have to worry anything. The plane, fuel, services are paid by the Air Force. The secret service and cars in the C-17A are paid by the military. And where do the military get their money from- Tax payer.

Indeed.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 13):
I would happily pay his way home if he would leave now..

I'll go ahead and second that even though it is off topic. Funny, but slightly OT. LOL!!


In the end, the taxpayers are paying for the POTUS travel. Now, I don't have a problem with that seeing as how important that job (POTUS) is to me and to many of our friends around the world.



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