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Single F-14 Punch Out?  
User currently offlinePoadrim From Norway, joined Oct 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5221 times:
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Hi!

I was watching J.A.G yesterday and a saw something odd in the episode "Against All Enemies" (03x07) and in the end Harm and a female terrorist are in the F-14 lunching of the carrier, and she got a handgrande to threaten harm so he dos whats she wants, but their got in a dogfight she gets hit and drop the grande in to her lap. Harm then pulls a pin from the top of his seat and plug in to some safety system and eject her by pulling his ejection handle, is this possible? Or just good old J.A.G. (aka Hollywood)

//Poadrim


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User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 934 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 5156 times:

I know in the tornado te pilot can decide weather the nav pulling eject will eject both or just himself, but if the pilot pulls it both are ejected automatically. Dont know of any reason why the pilot should be able to eject the nav though on his own.

User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5119 times:



Quoting Poadrim (Thread starter):
I was watching J.A.G yesterday and a saw something odd in the episode "Against All Enemies" (03x07) and in the end Harm and a female terrorist are in the F-14 lunching of the carrier, and she got a handgrande to threaten harm so he dos whats she wants, but their got in a dogfight she gets hit and drop the grande in to her lap. Harm then pulls a pin from the top of his seat and plug in to some safety system and eject her by pulling his ejection handle, is this possible? Or just good old J.A.G. (aka Hollywood)

Similar thing happens in the final episode of season 6 and also in a later episode (season 8 perhaps). In the former, Harm is unable to initially eject with his RIO Skates. In the later, Admiral Chegwidgen is in the back for a ride and accidentally ejects himself with Harm remaining in the front seat.

In JAG I recall the control for ejection being selectable ie so that the RIO can punch out the driver...

Not sure, I know they did a lot of messed up things on that show (including making my country - New Zealand look like a backwards hole where everyone farms and where people have Australian accents... not to mention having a flight from somewhere in the USA landing in WLG). But I do love it! Would have been nice to have kept LtJG Austin on past the first season, and not killing off LtCdr Pike... she was hot and much better fit for Harm (until he sorted it out with Mac of course). It would have been good if Admiral Chegwidgen could have been promoted rather than leaving altogether... or at least they could have got him to come back for Cameo appearances...



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User currently offlineF4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5100 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 2):
In JAG I recall the control for ejection being selectable ie so that the RIO can punch out the driver...

I the F-4, the pilot initiates both seats. the backseater has a handle above and left of the instrument panel to initiate pilot ejection. This could be rotated at any time during the flight. It did not initiate ejection, only enabled ejection. The decision to rotate was often baased on the pilots confidence in the backseater's airmanship.

A typical briefing for an orientation flight would be to leave the handle vertical and only rotate it for pilot incapacitation such as a bird strike. A fellow navigator student told me that during acrobatics on his orientation flight, he realized he was hanging on to the lower ejection handle to brace himself. He was fortunate that no negative Gs were pulled.

I would deselect pilot ejection during aerial refueling so as to not inadvertantly eject into the refueling boom. There were a few times that the refueling boom banged into my canopy in the twelve years I flew the Phantom.

I never saw that many episodes of JAG but enjoyed the ones I saw. I thought making lawyers lovable was a far greater stretch than the liberties taken with mission technicalities.

Gary
Cottage Grove, MN, USA



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4965 times:

Single ejections on the F-14 has happened before. This is the result of a surface officer, black shoe, grabbing something he was not supposed to on a familiarization flight.

< http://www.f-14association.com/stories-07.htm >


User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 934 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4913 times:



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 4):
something he was not supposed to on a familiarization flight.

To be fair to the guy he did get very familear with the emergency exit.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4888 times:



Quoting GST (Reply 5):
To be fair to the guy he did get very familear with the emergency exit.

And the British made ejection seat.  Wink


User currently offlineRyan h From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 1563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4742 times:

I bet it was a bit breezy for the pilot now in an open cockpit.


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User currently offlineAGC525 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4644 times:

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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4630 times:



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 4):
Single ejections on the F-14 has happened before. This is the result of a surface officer, black shoe, grabbing something he was not supposed to on a familiarization flight.

< http://www.f-14association.com/stories-07.htm >

I find it odd that in such a well visited site that they have the made the simpleton mistake of saying that he was floating out of the seat during 'positive' G's. If it were positive G's there wouldn't have been a problem.

"While pulling positive Gs he began to float out of the ejection seat. In order to readjust his position he reached down and grabbed that little yellow and black stripped handle. Bang! The next thing he knew he was no longer in the Tomcat."



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User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 934 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4547 times:



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 6):
And the British made ejection seat. Wink

It worked diddnt it?


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4502 times:



Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 9):
I find it odd that in such a well visited site that they have the made the simpleton mistake of saying that he was floating out of the seat during 'positive' G's. If it were positive G's there wouldn't have been a problem.

I noticed that as well, no one's perfect I guess.

Quoting GST (Reply 10):
It worked diddnt it?

I didn't mean it like you think.  Smile


User currently offlinePoadrim From Norway, joined Oct 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 4289 times:
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Quoting F4wso (Reply 3):
There were a few times that the refueling boom banged into my canopy in the twelve years I flew the Phantom

This MUST be said! I am so total awesome jealous on you!!! If you can describe the feel that you have seconds before trap at night, with 2 words, what would that be?



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User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2356 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4206 times:



Quoting F4wso (Reply 3):
There were a few times that the refueling boom banged into my canopy in the twelve years I flew the Phantom.

I don't see how...it's not like the boom was anywhere near your cockpit  Big grin

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I'm pretty sure this was a Fort Wayne ANG bird, shot around 1986. I was flying KC's out of KGUS



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User currently offlineJakeOrion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4010 times:



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 13):

Oye, imagining having to bail out in the middle of a refuel...*TWACK*



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4000 times:



Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 9):
I find it odd that in such a well visited site that they have the made the simpleton mistake of saying that he was floating out of the seat during 'positive' G's. If it were positive G's there wouldn't have been a problem.

As someone that has floated out of my seat in positive G's I can understand.



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User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3916 times:



Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 9):
I find it odd that in such a well visited site that they have the made the simpleton mistake of saying that he was floating out of the seat during 'positive' G's. If it were positive G's there wouldn't have been a problem.

"While pulling positive Gs he began to float out of the ejection seat. In order to readjust his position he reached down and grabbed that little yellow and black stripped handle. Bang! The next thing he knew he was no longer in the Tomcat."

The pilot wrote up a public account of the incident and was published at the Naval Safety Center website:

http://safetycenter.navy.mil/media/a...h/issues/marapr04/IveLostMyRIO.htm

Says he had unloaded to -0.5g while being inverted for a cockpit security check when the RIO suddenly "decided" (my words) to depart a perfectly good aircraft. Big grin

My favorite quote regarding this incident was from someone else who said:

"Well a few minutes out over the range this F-14D from VF-213 returns to the field as a convertible,"



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User currently offlineF4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3858 times:



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 13):
Quoting F4wso (Reply 3):
There were a few times that the refueling boom banged into my canopy in the twelve years I flew the Phantom.

I don't see how...it's not like the boom was anywhere near your cockpit

The boomer would often have the boom in trail while the receiver would close the gap. The boom was often only a foot away when it would pass by my canopy covering the six feet back to the recepticle. During training at Bergstrom. The pilot was closing on the boom. We were told that as the receiver got closer, the boomer would move it out of the way. Didn't happen once. The nozzle just went "thunk" on the upper windscreen.

You must have been one of trhe Mash callsigns we refueled with. What years were you there? Out of Louisville, we refueled mostly off of you, Rickenbacker, and Knoxville.

Gary
Cottage Grove, MN, USA



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User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2356 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3758 times:



Quoting F4wso (Reply 17):
You must have been one of trhe Mash callsigns we refueled with. What years were you there? Out of Louisville, we refueled mostly off of you, Rickenbacker, and Knoxville.

I was at Grissom 1985-1988. If I remember, Mash was the call sign used by the Reserve unit at GUS. We were using SAC daily call signs when I got there, by the time I left, SAC had gone to static c/s for day-to-day use. I think we were using BODE and INDY, and I think Command Post was PACECAR.



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User currently offlineFtrguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3730 times:



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 4):
Single ejections on the F-14 has happened before. This is the result of a surface officer, black shoe, grabbing something he was not supposed to on a familiarization flight.

I am friends with the pilot who that happened too and its funny to hear him tell the story, looking back on it.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3612 times:



Quoting Ftrguy (Reply 19):
I am friends with the pilot who that happened too and its funny to hear him tell the story, looking back on it.

Must be an interesting story. One of those things that scare you half to death when it happens but laugh at latter. At a much latter date of course.  Smile


User currently offlineRC135X From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3438 times:



Quoting F4wso (Reply 17):
You must have been one of trhe Mash callsigns we refueled with. What years were you there? Out of Louisville, we refueled mostly off of you, Rickenbacker, and Knoxville.



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 18):
Mash was the call sign used by the Reserve unit at GUS. We were using SAC daily call signs when I got there, by the time I left, SAC had gone to static c/s for day-to-day use. I think we were using BODE and INDY, and I think Command Post was PACECAR.

That's right, Moose. The 305th (INDY) and the 70th (BODE) seldom refueled ANG and AFRES fighters (the AFRES A-10A unit there used the KGUS-based AFRES 434th AREFW), so refueling fast movers was not routine. From 1985-1987, the only F-4s I ever refueled were from Michigan ANG (I took slides, some of which Rene Francillon and others have used in their books and articles).

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