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Topic: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 01:54:40 and read 2804 times.

USC goes down AGAIN!!! Are you freakin' kidding me? Two losses to unranked teams? Can you say overrated?

I can.


It will be OSU-Michigan II - The REMATCH.

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[Edited 2006-12-03 01:54:55]

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 01:56:27 and read 2799 times.

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
It will be OSU-Michigan II - The REMATCH

BORING. You had your chance. If Florida wins they should play against OSU. You can try again next year.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 01:58:18 and read 2799 times.

Florida's not as good a team. Sorry, bub. They're good, but not as good.

If Florida somehow jumps Michigan in the polls, it will be because HUMAN pollsters didn't want to see a rematch, not because they didn't think Michigan was the second best team in the country. According to Slive, the National Championship Game is to set up the two best teams in the country, period. If Michigan doesn't go to Glendale, the BCS is officially a hack.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 02:02:48 and read 2794 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 2):
it will be because HUMAN pollsters didn't want to see a rematch, not because they didn't think Michigan was the second best team in the country.

So what? Florida has one loss and so does Michigan. Florida is just as good as UM is and should have the shot instead of letting UM go at it again. Head to head we'd beat UM in my opinion but unfortunately we'll never know now that USC has lost.

Quoting D L X (Reply 2):
If Michigan doesn't go to Glendale, the BCS is officially a hack.

BS! If UM goes then the BCS is a hack. UM had their chance and lost it. Giving them a rematch is bogus and will just further the calls for a playoff system. It would be the least watched and least cared about football championship of all time.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Halls120
Posted 2006-12-03 02:03:28 and read 2793 times.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 1):
Quoting D L X (Thread starter):It will be OSU-Michigan II - The REMATCH
BORING. You had your chance. If Florida wins they should play against OSU. You can try again next year.

Even though my prediction in Boston92's prediction game is OSU over Michigan, I reall don't relish watching what will likely be a boring and predictable game.

Quoting D L X (Reply 2):
If Michigan doesn't go to Glendale, the BCS is officially a hack.

It already IS a hack. And a sham.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Delta767300ER
Posted 2006-12-03 02:11:30 and read 2785 times.

As a Michigan fan, I'm biased that we should get a rematch with Ohio State in the BCS Championship Bowl. Florida has a good team this year but Michigan has a better team. Michigan's only loss was to #1 Ohio State (42-39) where Florida's was 27-17 Auburn which I believe was ranked #11.



-Delta767300ER

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: CMHSRQ
Posted 2006-12-03 02:15:46 and read 2778 times.

17-14 UF over Arkansas in the 3rd. I really don't want OSU Michigan again, but I'm sorry to say OSU and Michigan are the 2 best teams in the country.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 02:23:30 and read 2771 times.

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 5):
Michigan's only loss was to #1 Ohio State (42-39) where Florida's was 27-17 Auburn which I believe was ranked #11.

BFD! Auburn had been in the top 5 the week before their loss to Arkansas. I can say you beat ND when they were #2 but where are they now?

At the end of the day UM lost and don't deserve another chance. Florida should at least be considered if they win tonight.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 02:29:15 and read 2765 times.

If we keep playing as we are right now we'll be stuck with a rematch whether we like it or not. What the hell is the deal with Leak?!

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Halls120
Posted 2006-12-03 02:29:49 and read 2765 times.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 7):
At the end of the day UM lost and don't deserve another chance. Florida should at least be considered if they win tonight.

It may all be academic after that interception and runback for a touchdown by Arkansas.

The only way Florida was going to get in the championship game is by blowing out Arkansas.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: CO7e7
Posted 2006-12-03 02:32:25 and read 2760 times.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 3):
If UM goes then the BCS is a hack. UM had their chance and lost it

 checkmark  i couldn't agree more!

On a personal level, i think the BCS is crap regardless of who play OSU in Gelndale!

-Zaki

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 02:35:51 and read 2761 times.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 3):
UM had their chance and lost it.

A rematch is not unprecedented, and has plenty of parallels in other sports. The Redskins beat the Seahawks in the regular season, and lost to them in the playoffs last year. Can you imagine the NFL being run by pollsters who said "the Seahawks can't play the Redskins in the playoffs because they already had their chance and lost it?" In your opinion, who deserved to go to the Superbowl? No question, the Seahawks. (And I bleed burgundy and gold. And maize. And blue. FWIW, I shit scarlet and gray. Actually, I take that back. That sounds like I have a problem.  Smile )

Anyways, I think you need a new argument. That one's not working anymore.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 7):
BFD! Auburn had been in the top 5 the week before their loss to Arkansas.

If you care about what a team's ranking WAS when you played them, why no mention of losing to an unranked (at the time) Arkansas? (I may be mistaken about their being unranked, but they certainly weren't top 10.)

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Monorail
Posted 2006-12-03 02:37:05 and read 2753 times.

To hell with all these one loss teams!
Both Ohio State and Boise State both came out of Divison 1A undefeated.
If we're always going to digress to ranking the one loss teams by the circumstances of their loss, then the undefeateds better come first.
OSU and BSU both won their conferences. Why should you be in the national championship game if you can't even take care of business within your conference. Look at the teams that have somehow sqeezed into the BCS championship game without even winning their conference. 2003 Oklahoma? Stuffed. 2001 Nebraska? Blown out.
So let's just make it OSU-BSU in Glendale and call it a day.  stirthepot 

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 02:38:01 and read 2753 times.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 9):
It may all be academic after that interception and runback for a touchdown by Arkansas.

HELLL YEAH!!!

(TO be quite honest, Florida, I don't hate you. I just want you to lose. Nothing personal.)

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 10):
On a personal level, i think the BCS is crap regardless of who play OSU in Gelndale!

As long as we have subjective polls with no playoff of any sort, I agree completely.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 02:39:54 and read 2749 times.

Quoting Monorail (Reply 12):
Both Ohio State and Boise State both came out of Divison 1A undefeated.

The key difference is OSU played real teams while BSU plays schools for the deaf, blind, and wayward girls. Let them play against half the teams OSU did and they have a few losses.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 02:40:14 and read 2748 times.

Quoting Monorail (Reply 12):
Both Ohio State and Boise State both came out of Divison 1A undefeated.

Well, that didn't take long. I knew it was only a matter of time before the BS people would spew their bs.     

Play some real teams, then you'll get some real love.

Hey Boise! This isn't about you! Sorry, but it's true.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 14):
while BSU plays schools for the deaf, blind, and wayward girls.

OH MY GOD!! Priceless.

[Edited 2006-12-03 02:40:59]

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Halls120
Posted 2006-12-03 02:44:17 and read 2737 times.

Somebody better check DeltaGator's blood pressure right about now.  Smile

How could the Arkansas player have been so stupid????

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 02:47:49 and read 2735 times.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 16):
Somebody better check DeltaGator's blood pressure right about now.

It's higher than Snoop Dogg in the Green Room right now. I'm in my hotel in Manchester, UK right now watching it on CSTV.com and screaming and sqealing like a stuck pig.

Please God, I don't ask for much but can we win this one with some "style points?"

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Le
Username: Duff44
Posted 2006-12-03 03:00:03 and read 2728 times.

Food for thought:

Opponent's record (no 1-AA teams):
Florida (assuming they beat Ark, they won't be considered if they don't): 89-57
Michigan: 84-61

Best team beaten (BCS standings):
Florida: #5 LSU, 23-10
Michigan: #7 Wisconsin, 27-13

Loss:
Florida: #11 Auburn, 17-27
Michigan: #1 Ohio St, 39-42

Tough call all around... to bad they don't settle this in a way that makes sense.  hissyfit   Yeah sure

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: APFPilot1985
Posted 2006-12-03 03:32:47 and read 2718 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 2):
Florida's not as good a team. Sorry, bub. They're good, but not as good.

Bullshit, UM schedule was no where near as tough as Floridas

Want a reasonable argument. Floridas opponents have the highest winning percentage of ANY other teams in Football. You come out of the hardest schedule with only 1 loss and a conference championship, you deserve the BCS bid.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-03 03:38:08 and read 2711 times.

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 19):
Want a reasonable argument. Floridas opponents have the highest winning percentage of ANY other teams in Football. You come out of the hardest schedule with only 1 loss

We are a bad 1AA team but were very honored to play in a game with such an awesome Florida team.


Signed,
Western Carolina

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: APFPilot1985
Posted 2006-12-03 03:48:37 and read 2701 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 20):
We are a bad 1AA team but were very honored to play in a game with such an awesome Florida team.


Signed,
Western Carolina

Because CMU is such a good team. I say again, UF comes out of the harder schedule with 1 loss and a conference championship.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 03:52:04 and read 2695 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 20):
We are a bad 1AA team but were very honored to play in a game with such an awesome Florida team.


Signed,
Western Carolina

Perhaps you missed this nugget earlier. The record of our opponents without the 1-AA team is still better.

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 18):
Opponent's record (no 1-AA teams):
Florida (assuming they beat Ark, they won't be considered if they don't): 89-57
Michigan: 84-61

As for your signed by comment...

Thank you for paying us to come get beat by you.

Signed,

Directional (Central) Michigan and Ball State

(versus UCF and Southern Miss who were both Bowl teams the year before on our schedule in Gainesville.)

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 03:54:21 and read 2692 times.

And now the debate begins. We all know my opinion. Hopefully the pollsters will get it right like me.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 03:57:39 and read 2689 times.

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 19):
Bullshit, UM schedule was no where near as tough as Floridas

Actually, while Florida did have the #1 toughest schedule, Michigan was no slouch at #3.

(ESPN.)

Congrats, Florida, for winning the SEC. Good luck at the Sugar Bowl.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Speedbird747BA
Posted 2006-12-03 03:59:46 and read 2688 times.

All this is crap. 1 loss apiece, and look at floridas schedule. come on, theyre in the SEC, its gonna be harder than Michigans.

Cheers,
Kyle

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-03 04:00:22 and read 2716 times.

At least Michigan scheduled all 1A teams and if you didnt see it, CMU won the MAC.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 04:02:09 and read 2712 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 24):
Actually, while Florida did have the #1 toughest schedule, Michigan was no slouch at #3.

Thank you for just making my point. Why should you with the #3 toughest schedule get to play OSU again when we with the #1 toughest schedule get locked out? We shouldn't. End of story.

Good luck in the Rose Bowl.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 04:02:11 and read 2713 times.

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 25):
theyre in the SEC, its gonna be harder than Michigans.

They lost to #11.

Let me be clear. Florida is an excellent team. This is nothing personal, but they're not quite as excellent as Michigan, and they haven't been all year. That's why they've been ranked below Michigan all year.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Duff44
Posted 2006-12-03 04:05:16 and read 2710 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 26):
At least Michigan scheduled all 1A teams

That's not a fair argument, because many teams scheduled 1-AA opponents simply as schedule fillers as their 12th game (which was allowed by the NCAA starting just this year).

Would Florida have scheduled WCU that late in the season otherwise? (You could say the same thing about Michigan/Ball St) It was likely the only game they could get that fit.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-03 04:06:17 and read 2709 times.

Man,

At least the Michigan-OSU game will be good. Florida will lose big. No way can they hang with OSU.

I say, once again, if there was a playoff, there would be a rematch anyhow. So, what is the big deal about having a rematch in this system. Nothing.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 04:10:18 and read 2699 times.

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 29):
(You could say the same thing about Michigan/Ball St)

And Michigan-CMU as well. At least 3 of our 4 "pansy" teams were bowl teams last year unlike the riff raff UM scheduled short of ND.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 30):
I say, once again, if there was a playoff, there would be a rematch anyhow.

We'll never know so it is irrelevant.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 30):
So, what is the big deal about having a rematch in this system.

It sucks and shows how the system is broken. If UM does go to the title game I hope OSU wipes the field with your team just to prove we should have been there over you.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 04:11:28 and read 2697 times.

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 29):
That's not a fair argument, because many teams scheduled 1-AA

They could have scheduled 1A opponents, like Michigan did. Hell, they could have scheduled Boise State, and we wouldn't be having a lot of these discussions!

(For those who don't understand, Florida would have beaten Boise State into next week and they'd be 11-1. But florida would still be #3.)

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Speedbird747BA
Posted 2006-12-03 04:12:53 and read 2692 times.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 31):
I hope OSU wipes the field with your team just to prove we should have been there over you.

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 

Cheers,
Kyle

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Halls120
Posted 2006-12-03 04:14:03 and read 2688 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 30):
At least the Michigan-OSU game will be good.

That's the problem. It most likely WON'T be a good game. Rematches during a same season usually aren't.

I can infer from your SN that you are probably a UM grad. While I admire your devotion to your team, I wonder how many people on Anet who aren't graduates of either Florida or UM feel about who shoud face Ohio State.

You know, people who are a bit more objective.  Wink

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 04:14:53 and read 2689 times.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 31):
If UM does go to the title game I hope OSU wipes the field with your team just to prove we should have been there over you.

How does that prove you should have been there? If OSU wipes the field with Michigan (which they proved unable to do on their own home turf), they would certainly make short work out of a worse Florida team.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Le
Username: Duff44
Posted 2006-12-03 04:15:11 and read 2688 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 30):

I say, once again, if there was a playoff, there would be a rematch anyhow.

Right, and George Mason could never make it to the Final Four...

With a playoff, nobody 'knows' anything...

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 04:19:37 and read 2683 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 35):
they would certainly make short work out of a worse Florida team.

I believe the numbers back us up as having the better stats. Are we the better team? I say yes, you say no. You had a chance against #1 while we haven't. Seems logical to me to have Florida take a crack at OSU.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 04:22:09 and read 2679 times.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 37):
You had a chance against #1 while we haven't. Seems logical to me to have Florida take a crack at OSU.

It seems logical to you because you've ignored the very cogent arguments that suggest you're wrong. Can you respond to them?


BTW, check the new signature!  stirthepot 

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: CMHSRQ
Posted 2006-12-03 04:22:52 and read 2679 times.

As a OSU fan in CMH, I can vouch for much of the city and Buckeye nation and say that we don't want to play UM again. Florida would be just fine.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: APFPilot1985
Posted 2006-12-03 04:25:22 and read 2678 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 38):
It seems logical to you because you've ignored the very cogent arguments that suggest you're wrong. Can you respond to them?

Put up a logical argument and we will respond: how about these

Florida: Conference Champion
Michigan: Not

Florida: Hardest Schedule in the NCAA
Michigan:Not

Those are facts, I am yet to see you put out one FACT that shows why UM should go over Florida

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 04:27:08 and read 2675 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 38):
Can you respond to them?

You've made no arguements whatsoever other than you believe you to be the 2nd best team in the nation.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Tom in NO
Posted 2006-12-03 04:30:45 and read 2667 times.

The only reason I care whether Florida or Michigan goes to Glendale is because it directly impacts where LSU goes bowling:

If Michigan faces OSU, LSU goes to Pasadena to face USC in the Rose...

If Florida jumps Michigan, then Michigan goes to Pasadena and LSU goes to the Sugar Bowl...

That said, being the SoCal raised guy I am, I'd like to see LSU go to Pasadena, march in the Rose Paraade, and face USC.

I won't delve into whether Florida or Michigan deserve to go to the title game.....both have good arguments.

Tom at MSY

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: RayChuang
Posted 2006-12-03 04:30:57 and read 2667 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 30):
At least the Michigan-OSU game will be good. Florida will lose big. No way can they hang with OSU.

I think it's going to be a very close vote on who's going to take on Ohio State in the BCS Championship game. I do agree that unless Florida fixes its quarterback situation they will be roadkill for OSU.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 04:35:34 and read 2663 times.

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 40):
Put up a logical argument and we will respond: how about these



Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 41):
You've made no arguements whatsoever other than you believe you to be the 2nd best team in the nation.

They do require students to know how to read, down in Florida, don't they?  Wink  Wink  Wink  stirthepot 

Look back up at Reply 11. Any responses? I'd love to hear your comments, honestly.

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 40):
Florida: Conference Champion
Michigan: Not

So was Boise State, and we all know how meritless that argument was.

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 40):
Florida: Hardest Schedule in the NCAA
Michigan:Not

Intellectually dishonest. Fla #1, Michigan #3. Not a big difference, now is it?

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 04:38:34 and read 2656 times.

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 43):
I think it's going to be a very close vote on who's going to take on Ohio State in the BCS Championship game. I

I do too. I honestly think that this is yet further proof that the BCS has one "C" too many in its name.

I have a lot of respect for Florida, and their fans. It's too bad that they're going to have to go to New Orleans.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: APFPilot1985
Posted 2006-12-03 04:39:05 and read 2654 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 44):
So was Boise State, and we all know how meritless that argument was.

That's not the SEC though now is it.

Quoting D L X (Reply 44):
Intellectually dishonest. Fla #1, Michigan #3. Not a big difference, now is it?

Doesn't matter how big the difference is though, FL is #1 bottom line.

Quoting D L X (Reply 44):
Look back up at Reply 11. Any responses? I'd love to hear your comments, honestly.

Your only argument is that a rematch should happen because they have happened in the past, you present nothing on the two teams that factually shows that UM deserves to go.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 04:41:21 and read 2652 times.

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 40):
Florida: Conference Champion
Michigan: Not

Florida: Hardest Schedule in the NCAA
Michigan:Not

Add to that Florida's wins versus bowl eligible teams on their schedule versus UM's

Florida's bowl eligible opponents (10 of 12 teams on schedule): Bama, Arkansas, Auburn, UGA, Kentucky, LSU, South Carolina, Tennessee, Southern Miss, and FSU.

Michigan's bowl eligible opponents (5 of 12 teams on schedule): Iowa, Minnesota, Penn State, Wisconsin, Notre Dame


Florida's losses to bowl eligible teams: ONE

Michigan's losses to bowl eligible teams: ONE

You wanted facts...there they are.

Edit: Mistakenly gave us no losses to bowl teams when in fact we did lose to Auburn. Wishful thinking but now fixed.

[Edited 2006-12-03 05:05:44]

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-03 04:43:07 and read 2649 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 32):
(For those who don't understand, Florida would have beaten Boise State into next week and they'd be 11-1. But Florida would still be #3.)

I disagree. Both have Porous defenses, it would be a shootout, whoever has the ball last wins type of game.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Duff44
Posted 2006-12-03 04:45:21 and read 2644 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 44):
Look back up at Reply 11. Any responses?

That 'rematch' was the result of a playoff, and the two happened to meet.

Yes it's not unprecedented, but in a playoff you have no choice.

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 40):
Florida: Hardest Schedule in the NCAA
Michigan:Not



Quoting D L X (Reply 44):
Fla #1, Michigan #3

The prosecution rests, your honor???

I don't think supporting someone's argument works when you're trying to dispute it.  scratchchin 

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 04:47:29 and read 2639 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 44):
Look back up at Reply 11. Any responses? I'd love to hear your comments, honestly.

Fine, here you go.

Quoting D L X (Reply 11):
If you care about what a team's ranking WAS when you played them, why no mention of losing to an unranked (at the time) Arkansas? (I may be mistaken about their being unranked, but they certainly weren't top 10.)

Again, BFD! Arkansas was unranked at the time they beat Auburn but they rose to #5 but you'll discount that since it doesn't help your case.

As for the rematch happening before that is true and Florida was the recipient of it. The difference was we were #1 and lost to #2 in the last game, then won the SEC title and watched various teams that had jumped above us when we lost fall thus giving us the rematch. We didn't sit around and ask those teams to lose so we could play HalfAssU again nor did we give up because we lost either. We at least dropped a few spots when we lost but yet UM barely went anywhere when they lost by the same number of points Florida did back in 1996. To that I say...BS.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-03 04:47:57 and read 2639 times.

I just dumped a beer out on front lawn for the Gator nation, in honor of Florida not making it to the title game. Better luck next year.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: HPLASOps
Posted 2006-12-03 04:51:49 and read 2635 times.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 14):
The key difference is OSU played real teams while BSU plays schools for the deaf, blind, and wayward girls.

You mean like Oregon State, who happen to be one of the two teams responsible for USC losses this year? Yes the schedule was loaded with mostly WAC and MWC opponents, but they beat all of those teams by an average of 23.83 points. A team that much better than anyone it plays must be recognized and rewarded as such. I think they would have a damn good chance of upsetting Ohio State. All hail the Smurf Turf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 04:52:01 and read 2631 times.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 47):
Florida's losses to bowl eligible teams: NONE

Michigan's losses to bowl eligible teams: ONE

Dude, that swings towards Michigan. Michigan when we lose, loses to other top notch teams. When Florida loses, they lose to teams that are going nowhere. Same reason USC was overrated.

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 46):
FL is #1 bottom line.

Actually, FL is #4 currently. Bottom line.  Wink

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 46):
Your only argument is that a rematch should happen because they have happened in the past, you present nothing on the two teams that factually shows that UM deserves to go.

Actually, Reply 11 was a "rebuttal," which means I'm showing why someone else's post (in this case DeltaGator's) was meaningless. Care to give a reason why it's not?

In any event, I've given plenty of reasons Michigan should go ahead of Florida on this thread and others. None of them say that Florida is a bad team. They all say that Florida is a great team with two teams that are greater.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Delta767300ER
Posted 2006-12-03 04:52:09 and read 2631 times.

Quote:
BFD! Auburn had been in the top 5 the week before their loss to Arkansas. I can say you beat ND when they were #2 but where are they now?

At the end of the day UM lost and don't deserve another chance. Florida should at least be considered if they win tonight.

True but with #2 Auburn losing to unranked Arkansas 27-10 and then # 11 Auburn beating #2 Florida, it makes Florida's loss to Auburn even worse. While I agree that Florida has a tough schedule, as one poster stated above, Michigans schedule is #3.

In the end, Michigan lost to the #1 team in the country by 3 points in the Horseshoe, where Florida lost to Auburn by 10 points on the road. Michigan goes to the BCS Championship. End of story.

-Delta767300ER

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: APFPilot1985
Posted 2006-12-03 04:52:38 and read 2631 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 51):

I love how not one UM fan has given a reason why they belong in the BCS championship game over FL other then to just say that UM is the better team without any facts to back that up.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-03 04:57:56 and read 2619 times.

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 55):
I love how not one UM fan has given a reason why they belong in the BCS championship game over FL other then to just say that UM is the better team without any facts to back that up.

Ha. Ill break it down to you... we all thought it was easy but I guess not:

42-39 loss against the #1 team at the shoe.

Story closed. Good day.  Smile

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Duff44
Posted 2006-12-03 04:58:32 and read 2618 times.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 47):
Florida's losses to bowl eligible teams: NONE

Michigan's losses to bowl eligible teams: ONE

Not correct... Florida's loss was to Auburn, who is 10-2 and will be in a bowl without question

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 05:00:42 and read 2616 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 48):
Quoting D L X (Reply 32):
(For those who don't understand, Florida would have beaten Boise State into next week and they'd be 11-1. But Florida would still be #3.)

I disagree. Both have Porous defenses, it would be a shootout

Florida...porous defense? You mean the defense that only gives up an average of 265 yards a game (195 passing, 69 rushing) against 10 bowl eligible teams.

Yes, UM had marginally better defensive numbers at 254 yards a game (211 passing, 43 rushing) but that was only against 5 bowl eligible teams.



Let's look at offense while we're at it as well....

Florida: 398 yards per game (241 passing, 156 rushing) against those same 10 bowl eligible teams.

Michigan: 374 yards per game (185 passing, 189 rushing) against those same 5 bowl eligible teams.

And lo and behold look who ranks above Michigan as well...Central Michigan who they beat with 380 yards per game (252 passing, 127 rushing)


Again, you asked for facts and logical thought. Here they are. Please feel free to refute if you can.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 05:04:11 and read 2615 times.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 50):
Again, BFD! Arkansas was unranked at the time they beat Auburn but they rose to #5 but you'll discount that since it doesn't help your case.

You missed my point. I'm saying that Auburn's ranking at the time was just as meaningless as Arkansas' ranking at the time. Where are they now? That's what matters.

And about the rematch, it kinda blows your argument to crap that your own team got a rematch. You had your chance... yada yada...

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 05:06:25 and read 2607 times.

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 57):
Not correct... Florida's loss was to Auburn, who is 10-2 and will be in a bowl without question

I thought that something was fishy there...

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 55):
I love how not one UM fan has given a reason why they belong in the BCS championship game over FL other then to just say that UM is the better team without any facts to back that up.

I love how you conveniently ignore all the arguments that are given to you.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: MUWarriors
Posted 2006-12-03 05:07:09 and read 2607 times.

First off, both teams could be argued deserving, as is being proven on this thread. This is why I hate the BCS, screw it all, and lets go back to the way things used to be. Who cares about a mythical national championship game? It really doesn't matter. Either team has a case. With that in mind I will throw a couple of key things I think out.

Quoting D L X (Reply 2):
Florida's not as good a team. Sorry, bub. They're good, but not as good.

Absolute bullshit, both Florida and Michigan are very good teams. I would rather watch these two play because I think they are more equal than either team is with OSU, but alas, that is not meant to be.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 27):
Thank you for just making my point. Why should you with the #3 toughest schedule get to play OSU again when we with the #1 toughest schedule get locked out? We shouldn't. End of story.

Maybe because Florida's loss was to #11, and Michigan's was to #1.

Quoting D L X (Reply 2):
If Florida somehow jumps Michigan in the polls, it will be because HUMAN pollsters didn't want to see a rematch, not because they didn't think Michigan was the second best team in the country.

Or maybe because the human pollsters figure Michigan had their shot and lost it. Florida played the toughest schedule in the nation, and maybe the pollsters feel they deserve a shot.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 31):
And Michigan-CMU as well. At least 3 of our 4 "pansy" teams were bowl teams last year unlike the riff raff UM scheduled short of ND.

You cannot look at last year and say, "Well they were good then" that is just silly. Lets look at the non-conference schedule of both teams this year. Michigan's non-conference schedule had 1 bad SEC team: Vandy, 1 was the champion of the MAC: CMU, one was a shitty MAC team: Ball State, and one was a rivalry game with Notre Dame. Florida played a shitty CUSA school: CFU, a decent CUSA school: Southern Mississippi, a mediocre but determined ACC school in a rivalry game: FSU, and a horrible Division 1AA school: Western Carolina. Michigan's was probably a little tougher, but they are pretty damn close.

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 19):
Bullshit, UM schedule was no where near as tough as Floridas

Umm... #1 Florida, #3 Michigan, yeah I think they were both pretty tough.

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 18):
Food for thought:

Opponent's record (no 1-AA teams):
Florida (assuming they beat Ark, they won't be considered if they don't): 89-57
Michigan: 84-61

Best team beaten (BCS standings):
Florida: #5 LSU, 23-10
Michigan: #7 Wisconsin, 27-13

Loss:
Florida: #11 Auburn, 17-27
Michigan: #1 Ohio St, 39-42

Tough call all around... to bad they don't settle this in a way that makes sense.     

Best post on th thread. But just to stir the pot a little let's keep in mind Florida's W over Western Carolina shows up on their record, so lets add Western Carolina's to Florida's opponents record (I do that because dammit if Florida is playing a 1AA school that is 2-9, and Florida adds that win their record WCU's record should be included. I feel the same way about Wisconsin's win over Western Illinois, or any other 1A over 1AA). That would make their opponents record 91-66. Meaning Florida's opponents winning pct is: .580, Michigan's is: .579.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: S12PPL
Posted 2006-12-03 05:08:50 and read 2605 times.

LOL


You don't give up, do you? Aint gonna happen.

Can't wait to turn on the BCS selection show tomorrow, and see FLORIDA playing Ohio State!

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 05:12:50 and read 2598 times.

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 54):
where Florida lost to Auburn by 10 points on the road.

On a controversial non-fumble that was ruled upon in the replay booth by an Auburn graduate and booster. Can anyone say conflict of interest?

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 57):
Not correct... Florida's loss was to Auburn, who is 10-2 and will be in a bowl without question

I fixed that in my post. Good catch. Wishful thinking on my end I suppose.

Quoting D L X (Reply 59):
Where are they now? That's what matters.

On our list of 10 out of 12 teams on our schedule that are bowl eligible versus the 5 out of 12 on your schedule.

Quoting D L X (Reply 59):
And about the rematch, it kinda blows your argument to crap that your own team got a rematch. You had your chance... yada yada...

And you missed my point. We didn't ask for the rematch. We were handed it because all the teams above us didn't win their games. You lose and you didn't drop. We lost and we did and then played back to it. It's not like we were going to say "no thanks, let someone else play."

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-03 05:13:38 and read 2598 times.

Western Carolina 2002 Football Schedule/Results
2002 | 2003 | 2004 | 2005 | 2006
Date Opponent Result/Time Record/Tickets TV
August 31 at Liberty W 23-3 1-0 (0-0)
September 7 at No. 22 Auburn L 56-0 1-1 (0-0)
September 14 West Virginia Tech W 47-3 2-1 (0-0)
September 21 at Citadel W 37-34 3-1 (1-0)
September 28 East Tenn. St. L 27-7 3-2 (1-1)
October 5 at Furman L 24-23 3-3 (1-2)
October 12 Georgia Southern L 41-24 3-4 (1-3)
October 19 at Wofford L 31-24 3-5 (1-4)
October 26 Chattanooga W 45-28 4-5 (2-4)
November 2 at Virginia Military W 35-23 5-5 (2-4)
November 16 Appalachian State L 24-14 5-6 (2-5)


Western Carolina 2003 Football Schedule/Results
2002 | 2003 | 2004 | 2005 | 2006
Date Opponent Result/Time Record/Tickets TV
August 30 at North Carolina State L 59-20 0-1 (0-0)
September 6 at Duke L 29-3 0-2 (0-0)
September 13 Johnson Smith W 45-0 1-2 (0-0)
September 20 Citadel W 28-21 2-2 (1-0)
September 27 at East Tenn. St. W 28-21 3-2 (2-0)
October 4 Furman L 19-13 3-3 (2-1)
October 11 at Georgia Southern L 31-25 3-4 (2-2)
October 18 Wofford L 38-6 3-5 (2-3)
October 25 at Chattanooga L 38-0 3-6 (2-4)
November 1 Elon W 26-3 4-6 (3-4)
November 15 at Appalachian State L 26-18 4-7 (3-5)
November 22 Gardner-Webb W 39-16 5-7 (3-5)




Western Carolina 2004 Football Schedule/Results
2002 | 2003 | 2004 | 2005 | 2006
Date Opponent Result/Time Record/Tickets TV
September 2 West Virginia State W 77-7 1-0 (0-0)
September 11 Nicholls State W 28-7 2-0 (0-0)
September 18 at Alabama L 52-0 2-1 (0-0)
September 25 at Gardner-Webb L 26-20 2-2 (0-0)
October 2 at Furman L 31-10 2-3 (0-1)
October 9 Georgia Southern L 38-16 2-4 (0-2)
October 16 at Wofford L 15-12 2-5 (0-3)
October 23 Chattanooga L 27-24 2-6 (0-4)
October 30 at Elon W 28-7 3-6 (1-4)
November 13 Appalachian State W 30-27 4-6 (2-4)
November 20 at Citadel L 17-0 4-7 (2-5)

Western Carolina 2005 Football Schedule/Results
2002 | 2003 | 2004 | 2005 | 2006
Date Opponent Result/Time Record/Tickets TV
September 1 Mars Hill W 21-7 1-0 (0-0)
September 10 Furman W 41-21 2-0 (1-0)
September 17 at Cincinnati L 7-3 2-1 (1-0)
October 1 Citadel L 17-7 2-2 (1-1)
October 8 at Georgia Southern L 45-7 2-3 (1-2)
October 22 at Chattanooga W 38-20 3-3 (2-2)
October 29 Elon W 31-26 4-3 (3-2)
November 5 Wofford W 24-0 5-3 (4-2)
November 12 at Appalachian State L 35-7 5-4 (4-3)



Western Carolina 2006 Football Schedule/Results
2002 | 2003 | 2004 | 2005 | 2006
Date Opponent Result/Time Record/Tickets TV
August 31 Chowan W 42-0 1-0 (0-0)
September 16 Eastern Kentucky W 20-17 2-0 (0-0)
September 23 at Furman L 42-7 2-1 (0-1)
September 30 Georgia Southern L 24-14 2-2 (0-2)
October 7 at Elon L 37-19 2-3 (0-3)
October 14 Chattanooga L 17-14 2-4 (0-4)
October 21 at Citadel L 30-27 2-5 (0-5)
October 28 at Wofford L 35-7 2-6 (0-6)
November 4 at Liberty L 21-0 2-7 (0-6)
November 11 Appalachian State L 31-9 2-8 (0-7)
November 18 at No. 3 Florida L 62-0 2-9 (0-7)


Pathetic, Pathetic, Pathetic... The only word that comes to mind. At least schedule a good 1AA team. Sheesh.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: APFPilot1985
Posted 2006-12-03 05:15:01 and read 2591 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 64):
Pathetic, Pathetic, Pathetic... The only word that comes to mind. At least schedule a good 1AA team. Sheesh.

Ok so lets throw out that game (which was a win) still both teams have the same record.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Piercey
Posted 2006-12-03 05:17:02 and read 2590 times.

Jesus Christ, this shit again?

Oh, and btw, Boise State, Louisville, RU, Florida and Wisconsin all are over UM because of one category  Wink

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Delta767300ER
Posted 2006-12-03 05:19:54 and read 2588 times.

Quote:
On a controversial non-fumble that was ruled upon in the replay booth by an Auburn graduate and booster. Can anyone say conflict of interest?

Interesting. Give me a link to it.

-Delta767300ER

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 05:21:41 and read 2587 times.

Quoting MUWarriors (Reply 61):
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 31):
And Michigan-CMU as well. At least 3 of our 4 "pansy" teams were bowl teams last year unlike the riff raff UM scheduled short of ND.

You cannot look at last year and say, "Well they were good then" that is just silly. Lets look at the non-conference schedule of both teams this year.

That was bad on my part though the year in, year out ability of a team to play in bowls should stand for something.

The numbers still back me up though as 2 of our 4 non-conference/"pansy" teams (FSU mediocre this year...yes, pansy...no) are going to bowls this year and 10 of the 12 teams on our schedule are eligible. At the same time only 1 of 4 non-conference/"pansy" teams on UM's schedule are going to a bowl and only 5 of the 12 teams on their schedule are bowl eligible.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 05:41:08 and read 2572 times.

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 67):
Interesting. Give me a link to it.

This link gives you the name of the official, Al Ford.
http://www.gatorcountry.org/wearetheboys/?p=1882

This link shows he is an Alabama resident.
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/10/17/Sports/SEC__Leak_fumble_corr.shtml

This link shows he has been known to make poor calls in the past as an on-field official and be suspended for it.
http://georgiasports.blogspot.com/20...etter-to-al-ford-sec-official.html

And I don't have a link about him being an Auburn alumni (still looking) but his son is a student there.

No ifs, ands, or buts about it...he had a conflict of interest in being the replay (or any) official for that game. What if the game had been played in Gainesville, Auburn made the "fumble", and it was found out the replay official was from Ocala or Orlando?

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 05:46:27 and read 2566 times.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 69):

Geez dude! Did the guy do all this from the grassy knoll with a magic bullet?  Smile


Just playin' man.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 05:50:04 and read 2565 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 64):
Pathetic, Pathetic, Pathetic... The only word that comes to mind. At least schedule a good 1AA team. Sheesh.

Yada, yada, yada...schedule a good 1A team why don't you?

Ball State: 5-7, 4-7, 2-9, 4-8, and 6-6 over the last 5 years

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 05:56:20 and read 2553 times.

BTW, if you're watching SportsCenter right now, you see that DeltaGator has basically channeled Urban Meyer's mouth.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 05:58:41 and read 2548 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 72):
BTW, if you're watching SportsCenter right now, you see that DeltaGator has basically channeled Urban Meyer's mouth.

Great minds think alike. Too bad I don't get ESPN in this UK hotel. I'm going to bed...it's 5 fricking AM. I'll wait until the BCS selection show in God knows how many hours to figure out whether we play for the title or not.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Duff44
Posted 2006-12-03 06:01:15 and read 2543 times.

The bowl scenarios:

Orange:
Wake Forest vs Louisville
Fiesta:
Oklahoma vs Boise St
(Those 2 are pretty solid)

SCENARIO 1 (Michigan #2):
Rose:
USC vs LSU
Sugar:
Florida vs Notre Dame
NCG:
Ohio St vs Michigan

SCENARIO 2 (Florida #2):
Rose:
USC vs Michigan
Sugar:
LSU vs Notre Dame
NCG:
Ohio St vs Florida

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Alias1024
Posted 2006-12-03 06:08:01 and read 2541 times.

Quoting Monorail (Reply 12):
So let's just make it OSU-BSU in Glendale and call it a day.

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Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 52):
I think they would have a damn good chance of upsetting Ohio State. All hail the Smurf Turf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This reminds me of when Utah got screwed out of a chance at the title, and instead had to play the Big East champs (WV?). The Utes totally destroyed them, and people were left wondering if Utah could have won the title.

Boise State should have a chance. They have steamrolled their opposition all season long. What happens if BSU wins a BCS bowl by 25-30 points? Might as well let Boise State play Ohio State. That way there is only one undefeated team at the end of the season, the national champion.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 06:16:32 and read 2533 times.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 75):
Boise State should have a chance. They have steamrolled their opposition all season long. What happens if BSU wins a BCS bowl by 25-30 points? Might as well let Boise State play Ohio State.

 Yeah sure

Any more irrational ideas?

I know it hurts the feelings of people up in Idaho, but really. Boise State is not part of this conversation. Play Florida some real teams next year!

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Tom in NO
Posted 2006-12-03 06:21:38 and read 2528 times.

DeltaGator, you're in good company in getting jammed by the refs/replay officials in Auburn games.....LSU got hit with a pass-interference call on a TIPPED BALL, a call that subsequently helped Auburn score a late touchdown, and win 7-3.....

Tom at MSY

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: MUWarriors
Posted 2006-12-03 06:36:22 and read 2525 times.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 68):
The numbers still back me up though as 2 of our 4 non-conference/"pansy" teams (FSU mediocre this year...yes, pansy...no) are going to bowls this year and 10 of the 12 teams on our schedule are eligible. At the same time only 1 of 4 non-conference/"pansy" teams on UM's schedule are going to a bowl and only 5 of the 12 teams on their schedule are bowl eligible.

Notre Dame and Central Michigan are going bowling this year. Ball State Vandy, Not
Florida State and Southern Miss are going bowling this year. WCU CFU not. Also Michigan played 7 bowl eligable teams (CMU, ND, OSU, Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State, & Minnesota). Michigan is 7 of 12, Florida is 10 of 13, so Florida does have the edge there. And to be fair, I never said FSU was pansy, in fact I understand the motivation of a rivalry game, and think that made it a justifiably tough game for Florida, the same way UofM at ND is a rivalry game and tough for Michigan. These are two very evenly matched teams on paper. That is all I am saying. Let me also add that some of the Michigan posters are being no less than I would expect from the fans of that institution. You at least are making some legit arguments, and I respect that.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 68):
That was bad on my part though the year in, year out ability of a team to play in bowls should stand for something.

I disagree with this, it's about this season, and this season only. I feel the same way about the Heisman, career shouldn't be considered. Plus mid majors bounce up and down pretty quick, when they are scheduled the only assumption is that the BCS schools should have a relatively easy win.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 07:38:16 and read 2511 times.

Quoting MUWarriors (Reply 78):
Let me also add that some of the Michigan posters are being no less than I would expect from the fans of that institution.

 Yeah sure

Anyways, I had an interesting, and slightly sick thought just now:

First, had USC won this game today, it would be 1) OSU, 2) USC, 3) Michigan, 4) Florida in the BCS, and
Second, no one would have cared about being #3 or #4.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: TPAflyer
Posted 2006-12-03 08:14:02 and read 2500 times.

Bottom line, Michigan had their shot. The SEC is the best conference in the country top to bottom and if you can win it with only one loss, that should be impressive enough to earn a chance for the National Title. Florida definately has the edge in strength of schedule and I'm so sick of all this "they win ugly" crap. In the SEC, a win is a win. Their defense is one of the best in the country and the offense makes the plays when they need to. I got a good feeling about the selection show tomorrow.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: USPIT10L
Posted 2006-12-03 08:22:07 and read 2496 times.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 75):
This reminds me of when Utah got screwed out of a chance at the title, and instead had to play the Big East champs (WV?).

That was Pitt, not WVU. We lost to Pitt the previous week, 16-13 and lost our BCS slot. I'm looking forward to the Gator Bowl vs. Georgia Tech, if what I've read the last week is correct.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-03 09:51:25 and read 2485 times.

I cant sleep this is bad...  Wink

Most Michigan fans will disagree with me when I say this, but, if Michigan does beat Ohio State on January 8, there has to be a split National Champion. Both teams are that good.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: JpetekYXMD80
Posted 2006-12-03 09:57:24 and read 2482 times.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 63):
On our list of 10 out of 12 teams on our schedule that are bowl eligible versus the 5 out of 12 on your schedule.

You really should have double-checked your 'facts' before basing your argument on that. Clearly, Michigan played 7 teams that will be bowling.

Oh, and thats 10/13 for Florida, after tonights game.

[Edited 2006-12-03 10:03:24]

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 12:40:19 and read 2469 times.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 83):
You really should have double-checked your 'facts' before basing your argument on that. Clearly, Michigan played 7 teams that will be bowling.
I messed it up a bit but perhaps you should recheck your facts as well? There are 6 that Michigan played who are bowl eligible, one of which they lost to hence the 5. Meanwhile there were 10 bowl eligible teams on Florida's schedule of which we beat 9.

Michigan's Schedule:
Staying Home-Vanderbilt, Central Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ball State, Indiana

Going Bowling-Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Penn State, Iowa, Ohio State

Florida's Schedule:
Staying Home-Central Florida, Western Carolina, Vanderbilt
Going Bowling-Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, South Carolnia, Tennessee, Southern Miss, FSU


As a side note...has any team ever had 10 bowl eligible teams on their schedule before and won as many as we did this year?

Also, a good article detailing out some of the reasons why Florida should have a shot. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/column...olumnist=schlabach_mark&id=2684345

Whatever happens one team is going to be disappointed but I leave you with this thought...Michigan couldn't even win their conference title. That should absolutely be a prereq for playing for a national title given the lack of a playoff system right now.

[Edited 2006-12-03 12:46:28]

[Edited 2006-12-03 12:49:08]

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Halls120
Posted 2006-12-03 14:38:57 and read 2458 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 82):
Most Michigan fans will disagree with me when I say this, but, if Michigan does beat Ohio State on January 8, there has to be a split National Champion. Both teams are that good.

I don't think you have to worry about that scenario. If UM gts their rematch, they will most certainly lose.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 15:30:58 and read 2444 times.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 84):
Staying Home-Vanderbilt, Central Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ball State, Indiana

Central is Bowl eligible. They are the MAC Champs. SEVEN.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 15:48:05 and read 2438 times.

My bad. I thought they weren't elibigle for some dumb reason. Even with that we do have more wins against more bowl eligible teams.

I ask again (not to be a smartass but to really get the answer), has anyone had 10 of 13 teams on their schedule be bowl eligible and beat 9 of them?

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-03 17:01:39 and read 2425 times.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 87):
My bad. I thought they weren't elibigle for some dumb reason. Even with that we do have more wins against more bowl eligible teams.

You sure do mess up a lot.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: AC320
Posted 2006-12-03 17:40:34 and read 2416 times.

Seriously what does Florida have to do at this point, walk on water?

Everything that the critics have said over and over they'd have to do to earn a shot at the championship, they did. Everything those critics said they couldn't do, actually everything they said they wouldn't do, they went and did it.

Michigan is a great team, but they had their chance. Florida just earned theirs.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: TPAnx
Posted 2006-12-03 17:44:13 and read 2411 times.

OK. OSU plays UM (again)...and UM wins. So who's the national champ?
Each team can claim a win against the other..
TPAnx (GO GATORS)
And why do OSU players say"The" Ohio State University? Is there more than one? Too many buckeye butter sandwiches?
(Sorry, I work with an OSU fan..who at times really gets under my skin.)

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 17:47:18 and read 2408 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 88):
You sure do mess up a lot.

One forgotten team in a lower echelon bowl and a typo...BFD. The numbers I quoted still back my case up even with the correction.

At least my team could win their conference championship. Yours was runner-up.

Quoting AC320 (Reply 89):
Seriously what does Florida have to do at this point, walk on water?

Apparently that is what we must do. Our coach is named after a Pope so who knows...perhaps.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: TPAflyer
Posted 2006-12-03 17:49:24 and read 2403 times.

There is going to be an increadible uproar from Gator Nation if Michigan gets the nod to play OSU.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 17:50:28 and read 2399 times.

Quoting AC320 (Reply 89):
Seriously what does Florida have to do at this point, walk on water?

Yes! The BCS is set up so that only teams that do walk on water get the shot. The only problem is, there are usually more than two teams that walked on water. I'm not going to say anything to downplay what Florida did this year (despite my Florida-fan counterparts doing their damnedest to rag on Michigan).

Michigan had a near flawless year, with their one flaw coming to the #1 ranked team, in their house, and it was still a close game. Florida, while being very very good, can't say the same.

Quoting AC320 (Reply 89):
but they had their chance

Irrelevant. Even in Canada.

Quoting TPAnx (Reply 90):
OSU plays UM (again)...and UM wins. So who's the national champ?

That's an easy one.

If you win the National Championship Game, you're the National Champion.
Just like, if you win the Superbowl, you're the NFL Champion, even if you lost to that team in the regular season.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: TPAnx
Posted 2006-12-03 17:56:11 and read 2396 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 93):
If you win the National Championship Game, you're the National Champion.

Tell that to whoever loses if UM and OSU play again..
TPAnx

[Edited 2006-12-03 17:57:05]

[Edited 2006-12-03 17:57:49]

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Duff44
Posted 2006-12-03 18:06:57 and read 2386 times.

Quoting TPAflyer (Reply 92):
There is going to be an increadible uproar from Gator Nation if Michigan gets the nod to play OSU.

It'll be exactly the same if it's the other way, and overall will detract from the championship game regardless of which team is in it.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Garri767
Posted 2006-12-03 18:10:55 and read 2383 times.

when do they announce who plays OSU?



Garri767 (whos got 10$ riding on this  Wink)

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: PJ295
Posted 2006-12-03 18:13:14 and read 2382 times.

I think you will see Florida voted into the championship game tonight. Both teams (Michigan and Florida) have strong arguments of why they should play against the Buckeyes. My emotional side really would love to see Michigan playing in Arizona. (I am a Michigan grad and bleed maize and blue!) On the other hand I do think that Florida has a slight edge on us. If anything, this shows the system is really screwed up. We need a playoff in college football!

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 18:27:12 and read 2376 times.

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 95):
It'll be exactly the same if it's the other way, and overall will detract from the championship game regardless of which team is in it.

Yup. It will be JUST like Auburn not making it to the title game a couple years ago.

And honestly, I think the media sets it up to be just like that. Controversy breeds higher ratings. Think about it:

Two weeks ago when Michigan lost to OSU, EVERYONE said, "If USC wins against ND, they should move up ahead of Michigan - BUT, Florida should not, even if they win the SEC. Florida has too much ground to gain." Well, that was with the media expecting a beatdown of UCLA. So, when that didn't happen, the media suddenly had to do something else to generate controversy.

If at this point you still think the BCS is fair, and Florida fans, I'm looking you squarely in the eye as I say this, then you're crazy. I don't want you Florida fans suddenly saying the BCS is fair should the utterly ridiculous happen tonight sending you to Glendale. Especially given that YOU had a rematch.

[Edited 2006-12-03 18:27:37]

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Le
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-03 18:40:33 and read 2374 times.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Boston92
Posted 2006-12-03 18:42:59 and read 2367 times.

The voters gave the next best team a shot, and they blew it. (USC). UM does indeed deserve to go to the title game.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 19:04:08 and read 2363 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 99):

Crappy Photoshop but pretty funny.

Quoting D L X (Reply 98):
I don't want you Florida fans suddenly saying the BCS is fair should the utterly ridiculous happen tonight sending you to Glendale.

Don't worry. We won't have any good words for the BCS if you go to Glendale.

Quoting D L X (Reply 98):
Especially given that YOU had a rematch.

Again, we wouldn't have had that if countless teams above us didn't lose. Once more, we weren't going to say "no, let those 2 loss teams go ahead of us please."

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Duff44
Posted 2006-12-03 19:44:12 and read 2355 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 98):
Controversy breeds higher ratings.

It makes me want to watch a whole lot less.... I don't want to see a rematch, but I'm not convinced Florida is the #2 team either.

The whole thing is a pile of shiznit...

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: AC320
Posted 2006-12-03 19:58:42 and read 2343 times.

USA Today poll is out

1. Ohio State (62) 12-0 1,550
2. Florida 12-1 1,470
3. Michigan 11-1 1,444

come on AP and Harris....

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: APFPilot1985
Posted 2006-12-03 20:14:35 and read 2335 times.

Quoting AC320 (Reply 103):
USA Today poll is out

1. Ohio State (62) 12-0 1,550
2. Florida 12-1 1,470
3. Michigan 11-1 1,444

come on AP and Harris....

AP not that it matters has Florida number 2 as well

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: AC320
Posted 2006-12-03 20:20:38 and read 2327 times.

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 104):
AP not that it matters has Florida number 2 as well

How does it not matter, isn't it counted towards a third of the BCS score? Granted the computers and the Harris poll haven't been kind to the Gator's all season, but this is a good sign.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 20:21:22 and read 2326 times.

Quoting AC320 (Reply 103):
USA Today poll is out

1. Ohio State (62) 12-0 1,550
2. Florida 12-1 1,470
3. Michigan 11-1 1,444

What bullshit.

Florida was WAY behind Michigan in the USA Today poll last week.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 20:22:23 and read 2323 times.

Quoting AC320 (Reply 105):
How does it not matter, isn't it counted towards a third of the BCS score?

No. The AP asked to not be associated with the BCS anymore I think the year before last. (It might have been at the end of last year though.)

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-03 20:23:12 and read 2324 times.

Quoting AC320 (Reply 105):
How does it not matter, isn't it counted towards a third of the BCS score?

No, the AP asked to be taken out of the BCS consideration which is why the Harris Poll was created for this year. I forget their exact reasoning but something to do with controversy.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: AC320
Posted 2006-12-03 20:24:10 and read 2322 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 107):
No. The AP asked to not be associated with the BCS anymore I think the year before last.

Proving this whole damn thing is too confusing.

Quoting D L X (Reply 106):
What bullshit.

Well well, guess there were some "reasonable arguments" left.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 20:38:40 and read 2321 times.

Quoting AC320 (Reply 109):
Well well, guess there were some "reasonable arguments" left.

All emotional.

Again, I'll preface with saying Florida is a great team. (And if they do go to the National Champ game, I'm obviously rooting for them. F--k the Buckeyes.)

But, if you were listening to the media in the minutes before USC lost through to around 2am last night, EVERYONE was saying, USC loses, so Michigan goes, then suddenly around 9pm, everyone flipflopped.

As for the AP, their reason for leaving was that they felt their journalistic integrity was severely tarnished by their being a part of the news story they were supposed to be reporting. Which of course is true! Reporters were being lobbied to vote a certain way. That's SICK.

The difference between a sport and a show is that a sport has a score, while a show has a rating. The POLLS reduce college football to figure skating.

[Edited 2006-12-03 20:41:57]

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: AC320
Posted 2006-12-03 20:43:14 and read 2314 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 110):
EVERYONE was saying, USC loses, so Michigan goes, then suddenly around 9pm, everyone flipflopped.

Rather than emotions, simply Florida doing what they said they wouldn't do: Win the SEC.

One thing still bothering me about these polls, I'm sure we can all get behind this: With 2 losses to unranked teams, how the hell is USC still in the top 10?

[Edited 2006-12-03 20:57:38]

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Garri767
Posted 2006-12-03 20:53:01 and read 2307 times.

okay, now for an unbiased question. not who SHOULD go, but who do you THINK WILL go? ive got ten bucks riding on michigan, im worrying im outta ten bucks :S



Garri767

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: APFPilot1985
Posted 2006-12-03 20:54:31 and read 2304 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 110):
The difference between a sport and a show is that a sport has a score, while a show has a rating. The POLLS reduce college football to figure skating.

Now that the table is turned you have changed your tune, when it was looking like UM was going to be in, you had no problem with the current system.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: AerospaceFan
Posted 2006-12-03 21:10:00 and read 2299 times.

Yeah, well. If Florida beats Michigan in the rankings and goes to play OSU, at least Michigan will play 'SC in the Rose Bowl.

Correction: I should say, "Michigan will beat 'SC in the Rose Bowl".

 Wink

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 21:20:54 and read 2289 times.

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 113):
Now that the table is turned you have changed your tune, when it was looking like UM was going to be in, you had no problem with the current system.

You're completely full of shit on that one. I've railed on the BCS throughout this thread. I have never in my life spported the BCS, and if Michigan goes to the title game, I still won't. It's a stupid system.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: S12PPL
Posted 2006-12-03 21:25:01 and read 2283 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 106):
Florida was WAY behind Michigan in the USA Today poll last week.

That's what happens when you don't play for two weeks, while everyone else does....


That's why Oregon State is in the top 25 now...


By the way... WAY TO GO BEAVS!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELD BRENAN UNDER THE TD RECORD, AND BECAME THE ONLY TEAM TO WIN IN HAWAII THIS YEAR!!!!


And WAC refs give Pac 10 refs a run for their money....Those guys SUCK. TOTAL homer job...

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: AC320
Posted 2006-12-03 22:17:25 and read 2265 times.

Florida vaults to No. 2 in BCS, will play Ohio State for national title

http://www.latimes.com/sports/colleg...45854.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Go Gators!

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 22:28:37 and read 2260 times.

If this is true, someone at the LA Times is going to get sued.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: S12PPL
Posted 2006-12-03 22:34:45 and read 2251 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 118):
If this is true, someone at the LA Times is going to get sued.

LOL.

Bitter much?

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 22:43:18 and read 2247 times.

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 119):
Bitter much?

give me a freakin' break. Would you be upset by this news if it had been Michigan over Florida?

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-03 23:02:38 and read 2233 times.

If this is true...

Go Buckeyes. This wont even be close. Its going to be embarrassing.

[Edited 2006-12-03 23:05:14]

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Le
Username: USAFHummer
Posted 2006-12-03 23:04:00 and read 2234 times.

Quoting AC320 (Reply 117):
Florida vaults to No. 2 in BCS, will play Ohio State for national title

Three words:

"Dewey defeats Truman" (google it if you dont get the reference)

Let's not get too premature here folks and just wait another 3 hrs. for the official announcement...

[Edited 2006-12-03 23:08:17]

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Duff44
Posted 2006-12-03 23:11:50 and read 2224 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 121):

Go Buckeyes. This wont even be close. Its going to be embarrassing.

And you call yourself a Michigan fan?

 Wow!  scratchchin 

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: CasInterest
Posted 2006-12-03 23:12:10 and read 2224 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 121):
If this is true...

Go Buckeyes. This wont even be close. Its going to be embarrassing

It is true, and Florida's D is much better than Michigan's. This one will be a lot closer than the BIG 11 folks think it will be, and Florida will win.

As for how it is true,

Brad Edwards of ESPN already said the computers would push Florida ahead of Michigan,
The question was weather the AP and coaches would.

Well we know the coaches and AP have by 3 and 26 points respectively.
Go Gators!

National Champs.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-03 23:17:05 and read 2217 times.

26 out of about 3500. It was a very close call.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-03 23:21:10 and read 2216 times.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 124):
It is true, and Florida's D is much better than Michigan's.

Ohio St. 45
Florida 13

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: CasInterest
Posted 2006-12-03 23:26:26 and read 2213 times.

Florida 38
OSU 24

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-03 23:35:29 and read 2205 times.

You are smoking crack.  alert 

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Le
Username: Garri767
Posted 2006-12-03 23:35:30 and read 2206 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 126):
Ohio St. 45
Florida 13

 yes  yes  yes  yes  yes 

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 127):
Florida 38
OSU 24

 rotfl   liar   rotfl   spit 





Garri767

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: CasInterest
Posted 2006-12-03 23:47:27 and read 2199 times.

Ok,
I'll be here on Jan 9, If not suffering from a serious hangover. how about you guys?

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Boston92
Posted 2006-12-04 00:10:23 and read 2194 times.

How bout:
OSU:38
Florida:17

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Halls120
Posted 2006-12-04 01:21:24 and read 2184 times.

I say:

OSU 35
Florida 14

That said, I'd rather see the above matchup over another OSU/UM game.

Yawn.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-04 01:52:56 and read 2171 times.

Vegas is saying that if there were a Michigan/Florida game, Michigan is favored by 6, on a neutral field. To bad that doesnt count for anything.  Sad All those voting to create a certain matchup, burn in hell. Heres a concept, pick the #2 team in the country.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: AC320
Posted 2006-12-04 02:00:18 and read 2168 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 133):
Heres a concept, pick the #2 team in the country.

Seems to me the AP and Coaches just did. They picked the team that just finished doing everything they said it would have to in order to earn a shot.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-04 02:10:43 and read 2164 times.

Quoting AC320 (Reply 134):
Seems to me the AP and Coaches just did.

Good call bozo. They picked for the matchup, they didnt want to see the 2nd best team in the country play for what they deserve because 1. They already had a chance and 2. They didnt win their conference. Not right.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Duff44
Posted 2006-12-04 02:11:46 and read 2163 times.

It's official:

Florida vs Ohio St in the championship game

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-04 02:13:38 and read 2160 times.

Its going to be pretty easy for the Buckeyes.

As I said before:

OSU 45
Florida 13

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: APFPilot1985
Posted 2006-12-04 02:14:24 and read 2154 times.

Well DLX, and Maizn_blu need help pulling your foot out of your mouth.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Falcon84
Posted 2006-12-04 02:14:35 and read 2155 times.

As good as UM is, there's two reasons why they shouldn't be in.

1. They didn't win their conference.

2. If they did make it in, and play OSU again, then it becomes, basically, a double-elimination for Michigan, and a single-elimination for OSU.

Michigan may indeed be the better team between themselves and Florida, but Florida IS the more deserving team.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: DeltaGator
Posted 2006-12-04 02:17:39 and read 2151 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 135):
they didnt want to see the 2nd best team in the country play for what they deserve

First off, many other folks more informed than you (unless you're one of the pollsters which I doubt) say Florida is the second best team in the nation. Get over it and move on.

Second, you don't deserve jack shit. You EARN it and you didn't earn it on the field thus the reason why you got left out of the game. Sorry that it has to end this way for you but I'll take it because we did everything we had to do to get to Glendale and you didn't.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: AC320
Posted 2006-12-04 02:18:45 and read 2151 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 135):
They picked for the matchup, they didnt want to see the 2nd best team in the country play for what they deserve because 1. They already had a chance and 2. They didnt win their conference. Not right.

Bozo, nice you brought out the big guns. Fact is, the Gators played their way into the game as explained previously, regardless of what you come up with to make yourself feel better. They earned their spot.

Computers awarded both Florida and Michigan identical scores of .940, guess they really wanted a re-match too  Yeah sure

[Edited 2006-12-04 02:24:57]

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-04 02:52:36 and read 2132 times.

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 138):
Well DLX, and Maizn_blu need help pulling your foot out of your mouth.

Way to show some class.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 139):
2. If they did make it in, and play OSU again, then it becomes, basically, a double-elimination for Michigan, and a single-elimination for OSU.

That's common in sports, and the last time, it happened to guess who: Florida! They got a second bite at the apple.

Besides, what do you think happens all the time in a playoff system? Quit drinking the Urban Mayer kool-aid.

Quoting AC320 (Reply 141):
Fact is, the Gators played their way into the game as explained previously

Huh? When Florida had their byes, what was Michigan doing? (No byes up in Ann Arbor.)

Quoting AC320 (Reply 141):
Computers awarded both Florida and Michigan identical scores of .940, guess they really wanted a re-match too

This is the most telling thing: the fact that the computer couldn't decide is in my opinion conclusive proof that the BCS is a total failure. The only entity that wasn't subjective and susceptible to campaigning said "they're both #2."

Florida got into the title game because pollsters didn't want a rematch. Period. And because Urban Mayer's a campaigning hack.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: TPAflyer
Posted 2006-12-04 02:59:38 and read 2128 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 142):
Huh? When Florida had their byes, what was Michigan doing? (No byes up in Ann Arbor.)

Theres also not much compitition coming into Ann Arbor. Urban Meyer will have his team ready:

UF 34
OSU 27

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: S12PPL
Posted 2006-12-04 02:59:45 and read 2126 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 142):
(No byes up in Ann Arbor.)

Yep...Those last two weeks weren't a bye at all...

Quoting D L X (Reply 142):
the fact that the computer couldn't decide is in my opinion conclusive proof that the BCS is a total failure.

This is the only place I agree with you. You cannot have a computer tie two teams for 2nd place, and say you have the true #2 team playing for the title. What a fricken joke the BCS is yet again. Fricken pathetic. If it wasn't for the Harris and USA Today polls, this would be a total disaster. At least the Harris and USA Today polls showed a clear #2.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: AC320
Posted 2006-12-04 03:01:53 and read 2126 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 142):
Florida got into the title game because pollsters didn't want a rematch. Period. And because Urban Mayer's a campaigning hack.

Oh please this is some bitter vitriol. Florida played a tougher schedule, won its division, went further than anyone expected etc....When it came down to two very well-matched team, the pollsters felt the Gators went the extra inch (reasons stated to death above).

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: S12PPL
Posted 2006-12-04 03:03:23 and read 2117 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 142):
Florida got into the title game because pollsters didn't want a rematch. Period. And because Urban Mayer's a campaigning hack.

Give me a fricken break. Mack Brown is a vote whore, not Meyer. Did you listen to him on ESPN last night before the Oregon State Hawaii game???

Show some class.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: APFPilot1985
Posted 2006-12-04 03:18:43 and read 2110 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 142):
Way to show some class.

coming from you that doesn;t mean a thing.

Quoting D L X (Reply 44):
They do require students to know how to read, down in Florida, don't they?

You had UM on the way to glendale and gloated about it and now you have yours.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Tom in NO
Posted 2006-12-04 03:20:58 and read 2109 times.

Memo to Michigan fan and Lloyd Carr:

Keep up this funk you guys are all in until the Rose Bowl and USC will kick you up one side and down the other.....I guarantee they are already focused on beating you.

Tom at MSY

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: S12PPL
Posted 2006-12-04 03:34:07 and read 2098 times.

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 148):
Memo to Michigan fan and Lloyd Carr:

Keep up this funk you guys are all in until the Rose Bowl and USC will kick you up one side and down the other.....I guarantee they are already focused on beating you.

Wouldn't that be fun? Shut them the hell up, sorta like Cal in '04

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-04 03:41:02 and read 2092 times.

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 144):
Yep...Those last two weeks weren't a bye at all...

Dude, read the freakin' context. Then get back to me. (But I appreciate the honesty in your second quote.)

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 147):
You had UM on the way to glendale and gloated about it and now you have yours.

I didn't expect freaking pollster massagers in the Harris poll going this far out of their way to make sure there was no rematch.

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/new...letters/bcsnews/BCS_Dec_3_2006.pdf

Check it out! Some asshole put Florida in first place. Come on! Let me hear a Florida fan honestly explain why they should be ranked higher than OSU.

[Edited 2006-12-04 03:42:24]

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-04 03:43:51 and read 2091 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 142):
Florida got into the title game because pollsters didn't want a rematch. Period. And because Urban Mayer's a campaigning hack.

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Dont worry Damon, Florida wont be 2nd for long. Florida will lose soooo bad that another team will move into that 2nd spot when all is said and done. It will be such a lopsided victory by the Buckeyes that the voters will wish they had put Michigan in there. Hell, Boise State, Wisconsin and LSU would have been better choices than Florida.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-04 03:46:19 and read 2079 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 150):

Check it out! Some asshole put Florida in first place. Come on! Let me hear a Florida fan honestly explain why they should be ranked higher than OSU.



Edited for jumping the gun:

That was no doubt, Urban Meyer that did that. Had to have been. Nobody else int heir right mind could do it.

[Edited 2006-12-04 03:48:27]

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-04 03:46:38 and read 2079 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 151):
Dont worry Damon, Florida wont be 2nd for long.

I agree, but I hope they squeak out a win. Believe it or not, Michigan is actually still in the National Title hunt: a blowout or decisive win over USC paired with a close Florida win over OSU and you could very easily see Michigan #1 in the AP, and Florida #1 in the BCS poll (since members of the BCS are required to vote #1 for the winner of the BCS Championship Game).

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: S12PPL
Posted 2006-12-04 03:47:55 and read 2078 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 150):
Dude, read the freakin' context.

Read the context.....Ok, read it. Still, UM had a bye the last two weeks because the SEC, and Big 12 have conference championship games...And because the Big 10 finished before everyone else.

While everyone else..The Pac 10, the SEC, etc. all had another conference game....

Sorry, but UM didn't add a 13th game when they could have. They sat out two weeks while everyone else played one or two games extra. Sorry.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: TPAflyer
Posted 2006-12-04 03:50:58 and read 2066 times.

Look, its over, Florida is in. You better believe they'll show the nation why they deserve to be there. And I only have one thing to say to all you Michigan fans:

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-04 03:53:31 and read 2060 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 153):
I agree, but I hope they squeak out a win. Believe it or not, Michigan is actually still in the National Title hunt: a blowout or decisive win over USC paired with a close Florida win over OSU and you could very easily see Michigan #1 in the AP, and Florida #1 in the BCS poll (since members of the BCS are required to vote #1 for the winner of the BCS Championship Game).

I know, I have thought about that but there is no way Florida has a shot.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: JpetekYXMD80
Posted 2006-12-04 03:54:12 and read 2056 times.

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 154):

Sorry, but UM didn't add a 13th game when they could have. They sat out two weeks while everyone else played one or two games extra. Sorry.

The Big Ten should, in turn, schedule games later. IMO, the greatest factor in the polls was that Michigan sat idle with Florida winning. I also wouldn't be against 1 (or even 2) more conference games added. I would have liked a shot at Ohio State this year.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Duff44
Posted 2006-12-04 03:57:57 and read 2052 times.

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 154):

Sorry, but UM didn't add a 13th game when they could have. They sat out two weeks while everyone else played one or two games extra. Sorry.

The only teams that played 'extra' games (i.e. 13 total) were the teams in the various conference championship games, plus Oregon St and Hawaii.

Many other teams had back-ended schedules to capitalize on the thin TV market for this week (read: Big East), which is why they were still playing.

If UM had another game, it would have needed to be a 1-A opponent because the 1-AA playoffs start that week and teams need to be available for it.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-04 03:59:33 and read 2051 times.

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 154):
Read the context.....Ok, read it. Still, UM had a bye the last two weeks because the SEC, and Big 12 have conference championship games...And because the Big 10 finished before everyone else.

Right, so AC320 was saying that the Gators had to play their way into the championship game, implying that the Wolverines should be punished for not playing this week. I'm just politely noting that that simply should not be the case, and wasn't the case for Florida when it had rest during the year.

And honestly, I'm not as impressed with 12 wins and a loss when the team takes a break to recover in the middle of the year, as I would be with 12 wins and a loss when the team was working every week.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 152):
That was no doubt, Urban Meyer that did that. Had to have been. Nobody else int heir right mind could do it.

Are coaches part of the Harris poll? I think this is some other schmuck.

And even so, what coach can honestly say that they deserve a higher ranking than an unbeaten? My god.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: S12PPL
Posted 2006-12-04 03:59:50 and read 2051 times.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 157):
The Big Ten should, in turn, schedule games later.

Then, honestly, everyone needs to just shut the hell up from Michigan  Smile If you can agree on that point, and there is no doubt that sitting idle for two weeks while everyone else played hurt UM, then it's quiet time. Move on.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 157):
I would have liked a shot at Ohio State this year.

Michigan had that shot....Remember?

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Gunships
Posted 2006-12-04 04:00:21 and read 2047 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 153):
Michigan is actually still in the National Title hunt

Looks like a dead horse...maybe I'll just kick it some more.

Smells like a dead horse...maybe if I keep kicking it.

Sounds like a dead horse...maybe a few more kicks.

Looks like a dead horse...(Repeat ad nauseum)

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-04 04:06:34 and read 2044 times.

OSU will win, huge...

So huge that you will have several teams jump over Florida in the final poll:


1) OSU 45-13 over Florida
2) Michigan 28-24 over USC
3) Wisconsin 30-24 over Arkansas
4) Boise St 35-24 over Oklahoma
5)Florida/Louisville 41-21 over Wake

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: AC320
Posted 2006-12-04 04:08:29 and read 2041 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 159):
Right, so AC320 was saying that the Gators had to play their way into the championship game, implying that the Wolverines should be punished for not playing this week

No, simply implying Florida still had games to play and things to prove to the voters. We still had a schedule to finish, and without a win against Arkansas, this event would not have come to pass obviously. That was not a knock against Michigan. Seriously, if you're confused about anything I say you can just ask for clarification, rather than running with it to someplace else.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: JpetekYXMD80
Posted 2006-12-04 04:08:59 and read 2040 times.

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 160):
then it's quiet time. Move on.

WTF, s12? Stop your condescending shit. I haven't even stated my feelings on who should play OSU, so I dont know what you're going off of.

But here it is...

I think Florida is deserving and has done everything in their court to be able to play in the game.

I think Michigan is probably the better team, but thats just my opinion-of which we all have.

So, I think Florida has earned it and have no problem with them going. So whats yours?

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 160):

Michigan had that shot....Remember?

Ok?? The point of this comment?

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: D L X
Posted 2006-12-04 04:16:54 and read 2029 times.

Quoting Gunships (Reply 161):
Gunships From United States, joined Nov 2001, 273 posts, RR: 4

Do you have anything substantive to add? Ever? Or do you just come on when everyone else has done the arguing?

If you don't have anything to say, don't hit "Post the Message."

Quoting AC320 (Reply 163):
No, simply implying Florida still had games to play and things to prove to the voters.

Fair enough.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 164):
The point of this comment?

He doesn't get it. He doesn't understand the role of the rankings and the national title game. Sadly, he's not alone.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Halls120
Posted 2006-12-04 04:19:09 and read 2026 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 159):
Right, so AC320 was saying that the Gators had to play their way into the championship game, implying that the Wolverines should be punished for not playing this week.

Michigan would be playing in the BCS championship game if they had beat OSU when they played them.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: S12PPL
Posted 2006-12-04 04:20:06 and read 2022 times.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 164):
Ok?? The point of this comment?



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 157):
I would have liked a shot at Ohio State this year.

You said it...not me.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 164):
WTF, s12? Stop your condescending shit.

You sure have done a good job of making people think how you feel....So yes, you have made your opinion known.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 164):
So whats yours?

USC fucked up, and will have to beat the shit out of Michigan in the Rose Bowl Smile At least the Pac 10 will have a team in the Rose Bowl this year, instead of it being ND vs. UM, or whatever. The Rose bowl always has been, and always SHOULD be the Pac 10's big bowl game. Even if we do have a team in the national title game...The Pac 10 should always have a team in the Rose Bowl. The BCS has fucked that up good.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: JpetekYXMD80
Posted 2006-12-04 04:28:01 and read 2013 times.

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 167):

You said it...not me.

Yes...I said i would have liked to have seen Ohio State vs. Wisconsin this year. And you followed that up with asking me if i remember the Michigan/OSU game. WHATS YOUR POINT?

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 167):
You sure have done a good job of making people think how you feel....So yes, you have made your opinion known.

Great. So people=you, and i'm not surprised you didn't get it.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: S12PPL
Posted 2006-12-04 04:34:19 and read 2006 times.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 168):
Yes...I said i would have liked to have seen Ohio State vs. Wisconsin this year.



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 157):
The Big Ten should, in turn, schedule games later. IMO, the greatest factor in the polls was that Michigan sat idle with Florida winning. I also wouldn't be against 1 (or even 2) more conference games added. I would have liked a shot at Ohio State this year.

Where?

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 168):
So people=you

No, people = everyone... lol

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: JpetekYXMD80
Posted 2006-12-04 04:37:55 and read 2003 times.

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 169):
Where?



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 157):
I would have liked a shot at Ohio State this year.

Oh, well I guess it wasn't perfectly explicit. I just figured it would be since its obvious i go to UW from my profile and i also tend to bleed red  Wink in these college sports threads.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Gunships
Posted 2006-12-04 04:41:36 and read 2002 times.

Chill out, listen to some music.

Might I recommend the Stones, "You can't always get what you want."

Give it a rest, it's football. They'll play again next year, hopefully your team can do better next season.

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: S12PPL
Posted 2006-12-04 04:41:52 and read 2002 times.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 170):
Oh, well I guess it wasn't perfectly explicit. I just figured it would be since its obvious i go to UW from my profile and i also tend to bleed red in these college sports threads

I very rarely look at anyone's profiles, and I hardly ever ready anything you post  Smile

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: JpetekYXMD80
Posted 2006-12-04 04:47:36 and read 1997 times.

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 172):
I hardly ever ready anything you post  

Obviously.

What would have made you assume i'm a Michigan fan?

[Edited 2006-12-04 04:50:56]

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2006-12-04 05:18:21 and read 1979 times.

Damon,

A former coach of Washington St. and Iowa St. voted Florida #1, he votes in the Harris Poll. You were correct. He needs a drug test.


http://broadband.espn.go.com/ivp/splash?id=2685330

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: APFPilot1985
Posted 2006-12-04 06:58:20 and read 1967 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 162):
So huge that you will have several teams jump over Florida in the final poll:1) OSU 45-13 over Florida2) Michigan 28-24 over USC3) Wisconsin 30-24 over Arkansas4) Boise St 35-24 over Oklahoma5)Florida/Louisville 41-21 over Wake

I say again, with your poor record of predictions don't you think maybe you should keep your mouth shut?

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Pope
Posted 2006-12-04 20:09:40 and read 1930 times.

I think UM should worry less about it's ranking and more about wining it's conference. Maybe if you did that, this whole issue would be moot.

Have a great time in California, playing for the #3 spot!

Go Gators!

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: Tom in NO
Posted 2006-12-04 20:59:58 and read 1922 times.

Michigan fan's awful quiet today.....must be giving those shower rods a workout  wink 

Tom at MSY

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: S12PPL
Posted 2006-12-04 21:45:16 and read 1912 times.

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 177):
Michigan fan's awful quiet today.....must be giving those shower rods a workout

It's a nice break. We're gonna have to hear it from them for the next month...

Topic: RE: UMich Should Be #2: No Reasonable Arguments Left
Username: APFPilot1985
Posted 2006-12-04 23:15:59 and read 1901 times.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 152):
That was no doubt, Urban Meyer that did that. Had to have been. Nobody else int heir right mind could do it.



Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 174):
Damon,

A former coach of Washington St. and Iowa St. voted Florida #1, he votes in the Harris Poll. You were correct. He needs a drug test.

that puts you 0-3 on predictions Good job


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