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Topic: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: Bofredrik
Posted 2007-06-10 15:55:54 and read 13163 times.

One of Royal Caribbean Cruise Line:s largest ships was in Stockholm yesterday,
"Voyager of the seas". I wonder how much you would feel bad weather in that large
ship when the sea is really rough. In a full storm... Anybody how know?


http://www.royalcaribbean.com/findac...?br=R&shipClassCode=VY&shipCode=VY

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: TPAnx
Posted 2007-06-10 16:09:37 and read 13153 times.

Cruise ships will alter course and skip/change ports if bad weather threatens.
They're also equipped with stabilizers...which limit rolling in high seas.
The troop ship I took to Korea wasn't...  vomit 
TPAnx

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: ANCFlyer
Posted 2007-06-10 16:40:00 and read 13120 times.

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
wonder how much you would feel bad weather in that large
ship when the sea is really rough. In a full storm... Anybody how know?

I've cruised 'em large and small.

No secret the larger ships 'weather' bad weather a tad bit better than the smaller ships. Larger stabilizers and heavier ships simply do not pitch/roll/yaw like smaller ships.

However, have a look here . . . http://www.maritimematters.com/shipnewspics2005.html . . . fourth photo down shows a Carnival ship off the coast of Louisiana in a hell of a blow. There are weather conditions that will - no matter the size of the ship - clean your clock.

As mentioned, most ships will change course.

If you're thinking of booking a cruise, and think you many be susceptible to sea sickness - especially in rough seas - book a cabin amidships and on a lower deck. That will generally minimize the pitch, yaw and roll you will feel.

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: ManuCH
Posted 2007-06-10 16:42:40 and read 13116 times.

This probably was a "fun" cruise... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66j6vazwLFg

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: Comorin
Posted 2007-06-10 18:27:34 and read 13052 times.

I have been in a large cruise ship in in Hurricane force winds. This was on a run from New York City to Freeport and back.

In the middle of a heaving ocean on a black night, size doesn't matter - you really feel you are on very small craft regardless of the size of the ship. The waves, on the other hand, look really huge. Monstrous comes to mind..

So we sailed into the center of the storm off Cape Hatteras. The terrified passengers were all out of their cabins with their life jackets on, even though we were under no imminent danger. The ship would rise and crash, it was hard to believe that water could exert such a solid force - it felt like we were being lashed with steel girders. There is something terrifying about having no frame of reference when everything about you is moving - at least in severe turbulence you can look at the wing or fix on a horizon. It was like being in a slow earthquake.

I am not sure the stabilizers did much good as we were probably out of design range by then. We finally rode out the storm and sailed into sunny Freeport to the relief of one and all.

After a day in the Bahamas we turned back to head for NYC, and straight back into the storm. Our cheerful Captain, a Swede, said this type of weather was common in the Baltic and asked us not to worry. As we slammed back into the maelstrom, I could but help thinking of the brave souls in the Baltic convoys ('HMS Ulysses') riding on the 'screaming edge of madness'. Anyway, our ship did crash into a big wave which damaged our bow like it was made of plastic. As we were now seasoned travelers, we did the only thing a true mariner would do in the face of a monster storm - hit the bottles. It certainly eased the pain, and we eventually limped back into New York. Much later , I found our storm was part of the famous Nor'easter that collided with another system to form the 'Perfect Storm' up north.

The message is that stabilizers etc work really well up to gale force winds, but are moot when seas become a roiling mess at Hurricane forces. At that point you are just a little bobbing boat in a place you shouldn't be. Ocean liners have no keels to stabilize them, and the windage from the flat and high sides is considerable.

Don't even get me started with rogue waves and giant ( but rare) CO2 bubbles that rise up from the ocean floor and swallow ships into the depths.

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: MCOflyer
Posted 2007-06-10 18:35:01 and read 13040 times.

I think this video describes it more better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW9vtENCAEI&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX2Augg8Zk8&mode=related&search=

Hunter

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: Jpax
Posted 2007-06-10 18:55:11 and read 13017 times.

I've been on the Voyager during some rough seas. Only once did the Captain deploy the stabilizers on the sides of the ship, they really did dampen the rocking and rolling and you could feel a significant drop it speed because of them.

But yes, you definitely feel it, especially when trying to eat your dinner. Wink

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: MCOflyer
Posted 2007-06-10 19:32:16 and read 12997 times.

I've been in 12ft seas on a cruise ship an can attest that 12 is nothing compared to 30ft seas. Also cruise ships have the bulbous bow which help but to a certain extent.

Hunter

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: Molykote
Posted 2007-06-10 20:04:29 and read 12983 times.

Quoting Comorin (Reply 4):
In the middle of a heaving ocean on a black night, size doesn't matter - you really feel you are on very small craft regardless of the size of the ship. The waves, on the other hand, look really huge. Monstrous comes to mind..

Sounds incredible. I'd love to experience it..... for 25 minutes.

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: Asuflyer05
Posted 2007-06-11 01:24:52 and read 12878 times.

Quoting TPAnx (Reply 1):
Cruise ships will alter course and skip/change ports if bad weather threatens.
They're also equipped with stabilizers...which limit rolling in high seas.
The troop ship I took to Korea wasn't...
TPAnx

I was ona smaller cruise ship once called the Regal Empress which didn't have stabilizers. We cruised from New York up to Massachuesetts down to Bermuda. Needless to say I got quite sea sick. Our waiter at dinner suggested bread and bananas to help. And help it did, we were all able to enjoy our vacation.

A few years later I went on Royal Caribbean's Enchantment of the Seas and was fine.

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: CHRISBA777ER
Posted 2007-06-11 02:02:50 and read 12855 times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW9vtENCAEI&mode=related&search=

Think this is one of the older Royal Olympic boats - they are very fast IIRC - 27 knots or something. Judging from these pics I'd say she was indeed out on trials with a minimum of ballast, as she seems to be very high in the water and when she heels over I cant see her fin stabilisers come out of the water which they certainly would do if they were extended.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7kMkXs_fkc&mode=related&search=

Large Handymax, maybe Panamax bulk carrier in fairly decent sized waves. She seems to be making good way with the seas on her beam, so probably not as bad as it looked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfEo6E6nElE&mode=related&search=

Big offshore supply AHT tug I think - HUGE waves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE_ri8PkihE&mode=related&search=

Big Hanjin Panamax boxboat - CHECK OUT THAT FLEXING!!!! :O

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: BananaBoY
Posted 2007-06-11 12:11:42 and read 12738 times.

I have been on one of our ships, Norwegian Dawn, out of NYC in pretty rough seas (35ft swells IIRC), and also Norwegian Jewel in the North Sea during similar conditions.

You certainly feel the rolling of the ship, but the stabilisers are obviously a big help. I have heard that they will slow the ship down, so in certain cases, they are not used to enable the ship to get into calmer waters quicker.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
No secret the larger ships 'weather' bad weather a tad bit better than the smaller ships. Larger stabilizers and heavier ships simply do not pitch/roll/yaw like smaller ships.

I always thought it was due to the draught of the ship, and made the mistake of stating once that one of our olers ships, The Marco Polo, took heavy seas better than our new fleet. Apparently, I was mistaken - as you state, current thinking is that new ship design will provide a more comfortable ride for passengers and crew.


Mark

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: ANCFlyer
Posted 2007-06-11 18:37:55 and read 12623 times.

Quoting BananaBoY (Reply 11):

I always thought it was due to the draught of the ship, and made the mistake of stating once that one of our olers ships, The Marco Polo, took heavy seas better than our new fleet. Apparently, I was mistaken - as you state, current thinking is that new ship design will provide a more comfortable ride for passengers and crew.

I've been in some fairly rough weather - nothing like some of the YouTube stuff above . . .

I transitted Gibraltar on the R2 back in the day . . . and you know that can be a pretty rough area of ocean . . . bounced that ship around pretty good - all the worse because I was in an Owner's Suite on Deck 7 forward. Almost lost lunch on that one. Stabilizers didn't help.

Several years earlier had transitted Gibraltar in a much larger ship . . . larger hull, larger stabilizers, in similar weather, similar cabin location . . . no problem really.

I DO think draught and hull design play a part in the stability of a ship in rough weather - but when it comes to hurricanes (see Maritime Matters link above with 2 of your ships off Louisiana) - I don't think it matters a hoot how the ship is built - you're just going to be a cork bobbing about out there . . . the only thing size will have to play in the matter is whether your a 60,000 ton cork or a 135,000 ton cork  ill   ill   ill 

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: Superfly
Posted 2007-06-11 19:08:32 and read 12594 times.

I was in a what I thought was heavy storm until watching these videos. This was on the Royal Caribbean Sovereign Of The Seas back in 1989. It was the early stages of Hurricane Hugo.
The winds were very intense and it rock our ship pretty good but not like in these videos.
The Delta 767-200 flight out of Ft. Lauderdale on the other hand was one of the scariest and most turbulent flight I've ever been on. Certainly the most turbulent take off I've experienced.

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: Sprout5199
Posted 2007-06-11 19:30:03 and read 12572 times.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
I've been in some fairly rough weather -

Same here, however it was on a FFG. We had fin stabilisers but they really didn't help much when the sea state was high. Biggest roll we took was 38-40 degrees(she was designed for 45 degree rolls and recover), $hit was flying all over--had a WSC-3 Transceiver rip itself out of its rack. was walking on the walls that day. We were pitching about 15 degrees, green water over the bow. She would shudder big time trying to lift that much water. Was actually fun(I don't get sea sick)messing with the guys up in CIC(eating oysters and smoking cigars--make the FNG's puke  Smile )


Dan in Jupiter

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: Flynavy
Posted 2007-06-11 20:05:33 and read 12550 times.

Last year during our deployment on the Enterprise we hit some insanely rough seas crossing the Indian Oceana heading west towards Singapore. The waves came all the way up and over the flight deck. The Big E sure can take quite a beating!

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: Airfoilsguy
Posted 2007-06-11 20:08:20 and read 12547 times.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 15):
The waves came all the way up and over the flight deck. The Big E sure can take quite a beating!

The people on the carrier were the lucky ones. What do you think the support ships were going through.  Smile

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: ANCFlyer
Posted 2007-06-11 20:14:36 and read 12546 times.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 16):
The people on the carrier were the lucky ones. What do you think the support ships were going through

This:

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 14):
however it was on a FFG. We had fin stabilisers but they really didn't help much when the sea state was high. Biggest roll we took was 38-40 degrees(she was designed for 45 degree rolls and recover), $hit was flying all over--had a WSC-3 Transceiver rip itself out of its rack. was walking on the walls that day. We were pitching about 15 degrees, green water over the bow. She would shudder big time trying to lift that much water. Was actually fun(I don't get sea sick)messing with the guys up in CIC(eating oysters and smoking cigars--make the FNG's puke )

 rotfl 

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: Sprout5199
Posted 2007-06-11 20:34:42 and read 12533 times.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 16):
The people on the carrier were the lucky ones. What do you think the support ships were going through.



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
This:

YEP. when you look out and all you see is water, no horizion, the seas are bad. Some times though we would have a better time than the big boys, due to the size and period of the waves. we would ride up and over them and the carriers would go through them.

Dan in Jupiter

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: FlyMIA
Posted 2007-06-11 20:52:28 and read 12522 times.

Cruise ships will move around but nothing like a smaller ship. I done a few cruises. One cruise I was in the Baltic seas there were winds above gale forced and the seas were high but you could not even tell unless you went outside and felt the winds. Really a cruise ship has to be the safest means of transportation (even though the big ones are not used much for transportation needs) These things are floating cities and it would take one hell of a storm to come close to taking the ship down. The only thing I would be worried about with a cruise ship sinking is fire. The equitment these new ships have is AMAZING!

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: GQfluffy
Posted 2007-06-11 21:09:53 and read 12513 times.

If it comes down to it, I'd rather be on the QE2 or QM2; ships designed as ocean liners first, cruise ships second.

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: Diamond
Posted 2007-06-11 21:51:03 and read 12494 times.

This is one of the worst ones I've seen on video. It's amazing this ship didn't break apart . . .



Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: OA260
Posted 2007-06-11 23:22:37 and read 12452 times.

I was on Voyager last year trans atlantic and one night we had bad weather and it rocked a bit but I never felt un easy . The outside areas were blocked off though and no one was allowed on deck.

The newest ship is the Liberty which I was on . I even did a TR on it with pics.

RE: FlyBe To See The Worlds Largest Cruise Liner! (by BA319-131 May 6 2007 in Trip Reports)

It was an amazing ship . Im going on the Jewel next week .

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: 767Lover
Posted 2007-06-12 01:23:40 and read 12420 times.

I know this thread is about cruise ships, but the videos made me wonder:

How is it that the containers don't just spill over? It seems like they are just stacked up with very little restraint.

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: MCOflyer
Posted 2007-06-12 01:38:50 and read 12404 times.

Heres is some big waves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX2Augg8Zk8&mode=related&search=

Hunter

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: ACDC8
Posted 2007-06-12 01:48:40 and read 12397 times.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 24):
Heres is some big waves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX2Augg8Zk8&mode=related&search=

Hunter

Already forgotten what you've posted before?

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 5):
I think this video describes it more better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW9vtENCAEI&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX2Augg8Zk8&mode=related&search=

Hunter

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: MCOflyer
Posted 2007-06-12 02:40:04 and read 12382 times.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 25):

Oops. Please forgive me. What about those crab boats in the bearing sea? They go through 20-30 ft waves and they take a beating. For those that haven't seen Deadliest Catch, please watch it. I think you'll be surprised on how much they take.

Hunter

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: Scottieprecord
Posted 2007-06-13 06:13:47 and read 12277 times.

Quoting Diamond (Reply 21):
This is one of the worst ones I've seen on video. It's amazing this ship didn't break apart . . .

Wow... I'd be freakin out if I were on that ship.

Last year in the Gulf, we seemed to go straight in to a decent thunderstorm. Ship rocked a little, and we, very dangerously, played out in the rain/lightning... At least it seemed pretty dangerous. There was definitely lightning, but if the boats surrounded by water, would the lightning bother with the boat, or would it just go straight to the sea?

Anyways, I have a cruise comin up on Friday with Royal Caribbean... wooo!!!

-Mike

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: Sky0000547
Posted 2007-06-13 13:01:20 and read 12228 times.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 22):
Im going on the Jewel next week .

I was on Jewel of the Seas in Summer 2005 doing UK-Baltic. Had some rough sea crossing the North Sea on the first day and the ship did rock abit. Some people from my party suffered sea sickness but nothing major. Don't know how it will cope in a big storm.

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: CHRISBA777ER
Posted 2007-06-13 13:37:16 and read 12216 times.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 23):
How is it that the containers don't just spill over? It seems like they are just stacked up with very little restraint

They are actually surprisingly secure. Most of the time they are just secured using small iron twistlocks that fit in the small holes in each corner of a container. It locks fast in place and they dont snap. The containers can weight up to nearly 60 tonnes in some cases so they arent exactly a house of cards. Nonetheless, before sailing the Master does a loading report and if very bad weather is scheduled, they use locking poles that slot into the deck or cell divider and cross diagonally across the stack adding more strength. It is not uncommon for whole stacks to go over the side in very bad weather and the twistlocks often hold even when they are in the water.

Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 27):
Quoting Diamond (Reply 21):
This is one of the worst ones I've seen on video. It's amazing this ship didn't break apart . . .
Wow... I'd be freakin out if I were on that ship

She is the former Caledonian MacBryne vessel "Suilven" and she's been battered in poor weather almost her whole life in the seas off Scottish West Coast. Although, looking at the video, i'm amazed the skipper sailed. One assumes this is shallow water swell, and that once she gets clear of the breakers it will calm down somewhat. In breakers like that you cannot really stay on the berth, so usually going out to see is the best idea. One hopes this is what is happening here, and that she didnt have passengers embarked. I'd be surprised if there was a deck full of cars and trucks and a load of passengers aboard put it that way.

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: Steve332
Posted 2007-06-13 16:30:14 and read 12177 times.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 26):
Oops. Please forgive me. What about those crab boats in the bearing sea? They go through 20-30 ft waves and they take a beating. For those that haven't seen Deadliest Catch, please watch it.

My faverouite programme, Iv never missed an episode. Those boats are designed to take a beating where as cruise ships and designed for luxuary, obivoulsy with safety in mind too. But the hulls on Crab boats in the Bearing Sea are among the strongest you'll find because weight isnt as much of an issue on those boats so they can afford to have thicker and stronger steel. Not saying cruise ships arent safe but they wouldnt last half as long in the Bearing Sea as the Northwestern or the Time Bandit

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: Canuckpaxguy
Posted 2007-06-19 03:27:03 and read 12041 times.

Is this picture fake? Anyone know?
(I've actually been on this very ship, but in nicer weather!).

http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/discus/messages/6937/85610.jpg

G

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: BananaBoY
Posted 2007-06-20 08:15:46 and read 11959 times.

Quoting Canuckpaxguy (Reply 31):
Is this picture fake? Anyone know?
(I've actually been on this very ship, but in nicer weather!).

G, that looks fake to me.

Mark

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: 57AZ
Posted 2007-06-20 16:43:10 and read 11921 times.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 23):
How is it that the containers don't just spill over? It seems like they are just stacked up with very little restraint.

In a very violent storm, containers can be washed overboard-usually in stacks unless the stevedores did a bad job securing the containers. Bear in mind that only the tops of the container stacks are exposed above deck-60-70% of the stacks are in the hold.

Topic: RE: Large Cruise Ships In Bad Weather...?
Username: CHRISBA777ER
Posted 2007-06-20 16:53:09 and read 11920 times.

Quoting Canuckpaxguy (Reply 31):
Is this picture fake? Anyone know?
(I've actually been on this very ship, but in nicer weather!).

http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org...0.jpg

The picture shows her powering into the waves, which is good seamanship bad weather, but she looks like she is making speed judging by the foam swashway down her sides. You DO NOT speed into waves like that.

Thats got to be a 25m swell from level to crest, but will work out nearer 40m crest to trough. Waves like that should cause cosmetic and maybe some small scale structural damage to the "crumple" zones on the bows at anything more than steerage speed. Its almost a 200m wavelength which seems awfully long though it does happen. It seems to be a freak wave - if it isnt fake its a bloody good shot.

My only query would be - with waves like that, you are certainly looking at storm force winds and any plane or helo up there in that would not be on a photoshoot - thats marginal conditions. Probably squally rain, and crap vis too. Only the Coastguard or Navy go up in WX like that. The position listed shows her approx 600nm ESE of Halifax and thats an awfully long way for a helo to be out taking photos. Coastguard or Navy Orion or Herc, yeah I could see that. Thats probably how they got the pic.

Is it a fake - hard to tell. It's certainly possible.


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