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Topic: New Zune
Username: Ebs757
Posted 2007-11-30 16:21:38 and read 1139 times.

Some may know Microsoft came out with the second generation Zune and wow is it an improved model. Im probably going to get the new 80gb version and was wondering if anyone has/ had one and your opinion on it. I have a friend that has it and its really nice. Im not in the market for an ipod after having two crap out on me within two years. Besides the Zune has everything and more of what the new Classic Ipod has. Thanks


E757

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: AirTranTUS
Posted 2007-11-30 20:57:05 and read 1094 times.

I haven't yet played with the 80GB version, but I have demoed the 4GB Zune vs. the 4GB Nano, and I was amazed at how much better the Zune was. The button for navigating was much more user friendly and less likely to stick. I haven't found anything to beat the iPod Touch, but it is too expensive for me. If I had to get an MP3 player tomorrow, the 4GB Zune would be it.

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: NeilYYZ
Posted 2007-11-30 21:42:35 and read 1078 times.

Ebs757, I'm starting to come over to your side. My iPod continually craps out and freezes, and it's exceptionally annoying. I might just be in the market for a Zune myself. I'll wait until after Christmas, but I too would like to hear some opinions.

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Ebs757
Posted 2007-12-01 08:39:57 and read 1049 times.



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 1):
I haven't yet played with the 80GB version

unfortunately the best buys near my house haven't had them in yet. So I really haven't had a chance to play with it other than see my friends.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 2):

yep, plus you won't have to go get an apple and be another one who just think oh everyone else has them...the Zune looks much better than the Classic I would say

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: BHMBAGLOCK
Posted 2007-12-01 12:28:11 and read 1012 times.

I've had a 30GB Zune for about 6 months and it's been great. The FM tuner feature was a key thing for me and wireless sync is nice as well.

I finally had a chance to check out the new models in person today and they are nice! I'll have to get a 8GB version soon.

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Klaus
Posted 2007-12-01 13:02:17 and read 1002 times.



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 1):
The button for navigating was much more user friendly and less likely to stick.



Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 2):
My iPod continually craps out and freezes, and it's exceptionally annoying.

My guess is that it's a harddisk-based model. In that case the harddisk has probably been damaged by mechanical impacts over time and gets "stuck" when trying to access the damaged sectors. That has nothing to do with the player model - it will happen with every other harddisk-based player as well.

Harddisk-based players are not for use during jogging or other forms of exercise. Harddisks are damaged by being moved around while operating.

If you want a player for that kind of use, get a flash-based one! That is one obvious reason why Apple is rapidly migrating away from harddisks in the iPods (and never used them in the iPhone).

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: AirTranTUS
Posted 2007-12-01 13:05:52 and read 1000 times.



Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):

My guess is that it's a harddisk-based model. In that case the harddisk has probably been damaged by mechanical impacts over time and gets "stuck" when trying to access the damaged sectors. That has nothing to do with the player model - it will happen with every other harddisk-based player as well.

No, the wheel sticks, meaning it is harder to make slight adjustments when moving through lists. The 4GB Zune is much superior in this area because there are two ways to go through the lists: the button can be clicked in 4 directions, or you can use it like a laptop touch pad. Very Nice!

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: NeilYYZ
Posted 2007-12-01 13:09:26 and read 998 times.



Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
Harddisk-based players are not for use during jogging or other forms of exercise. Harddisks are damaged by being moved around while operating.

Which could very well be the reason mine continually craps out. But my sister has an iPod which she runs with all the time and it seems to be fine.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):

If you want a player for that kind of use, get a flash-based one! That is one obvious reason why Apple is rapidly migrating away from harddisks in the iPods

What will be the capacity of the Flash based iPod? I need at least 60GB to hold my current collection, and I doubt that I'd buy one with less than 100GB in order to accommodate my ever expanding library.

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Klaus
Posted 2007-12-01 13:42:15 and read 986 times.

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 6):
No, the wheel sticks, meaning it is harder to make slight adjustments when moving through lists.

Which one is it? All recent iPods have solid state sensor wheels which shouldn't be damaged easily, but of course stuff can happen. I've just not heard of this kind of problem before.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 7):
Which could very well be the reason mine continually craps out. But my sister has an iPod which she runs with all the time and it seems to be fine.

And yet it can already be on the way out, just still able to fix itself with spare sectors remapped in place of the ones damaged by milder head crashes. When the spare sectors will ultimately be exhausted, it will get stuck as well, or when a fatal head crash takes it out completely.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 7):
What will be the capacity of the Flash based iPod? I need at least 60GB to hold my current collection, and I doubt that I'd buy one with less than 100GB in order to accommodate my ever expanding library.

At this point the maximum is the 16GB iPod Touch, so you'll probably still have to wait for a bit. My library is somewhat smaller, so the next iteration at 32GB will fit already.

My recommendation: Use a 160GB iPod Classic for stationary listening and a nano or shuffle for exercise.

Given the current technology there is unfortunately no other way at this time.

[Edited 2007-12-01 13:42:54]

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: AirTranTUS
Posted 2007-12-01 14:45:11 and read 967 times.



Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
Which one is it? All recent iPods have solid state sensor wheels which shouldn't be damaged easily, but of course stuff can happen. I've just not heard of this kind of problem before.

It was the new 4GB model. It was on display at Best Buy, and I figure that since it is touched by multiple people every day, that showed what would happen after a lot of use, and I was unimpressed.

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Klaus
Posted 2007-12-01 14:57:26 and read 960 times.



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 9):
It was the new 4GB model. It was on display at Best Buy, and I figure that since it is touched by multiple people every day, that showed what would happen after a lot of use, and I was unimpressed.

A nano. Sounds a lot like a manufacturing defect, of course covered by warranty.

My two-year-old nano which I use every day still works fine to this day.

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Ebs757
Posted 2007-12-01 15:58:24 and read 949 times.



Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):

My two-year-old nano which I use every day still works fine to this day.

Great!

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: AirTranTUS
Posted 2007-12-01 21:21:05 and read 927 times.



Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
A nano. Sounds a lot like a manufacturing defect, of course covered by warranty.

I was at a different Best Buy today and the iPods were all working fine, but one thing I noticed is that it is more difficult to use the scroll wheel to move to the next item on a list. It is great for going through multiple items, but to move to the next one takes longer than the Zune. I would have tried to play with the smaller Zunes, but they were either frozen or not working. The larger ones were and I found them good as well. But it looks like the MP3 player I will be buying soon will be a Sony 2GB model with a small screen.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...d=-1&productId=8198552921665224917

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Ebs757
Posted 2007-12-01 21:40:03 and read 922 times.



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 12):
play with the smaller Zunes, but they were either frozen or not working.

Thats odd. Both best buys I went too had the same situation with there smaller Zunes. Some sort of screen saver or something or major defect. Probably just a demo thing or somthin

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: BHMBAGLOCK
Posted 2007-12-01 21:54:37 and read 915 times.



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 12):
I would have tried to play with the smaller Zunes, but they were either frozen or not working.

There's a small slide switch on top. In one position, all user input is locked out. They'll automatically turn off based on time but the switch is insurance for your battery if you want to make sure the unit doesn't keep running when you don't want it to. I'm guessing that somebody moved the switch on you.

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: AirTranTUS
Posted 2007-12-01 23:20:36 and read 906 times.



Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 14):
I'm guessing that somebody moved the switch on you.

I looked at that though. Doesn't matter that much though. I already knew how they worked, just wanted to play some more.  santahat 

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Luv2cattlecall
Posted 2007-12-01 23:56:02 and read 903 times.

I noticed that quite a few demo units were inop...here's why: The new Zunes need to "talk" to a computer before they work correctly for the first time, because they began production, boxing, and shipping to stores before the final firmware was completed. Most stores don't take the time to do that..they just throw the thing on the shelves.

I bought some Zunes from woot.com and buy.com for $85 to give as gifts but ended up keeping one and selling my iPod on ebay. I really like how they gave the old zune the new software upgrade and and starting to like the all you can eat subscription music model.... oh, and the wifi sync is nice too!

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Klaus
Posted 2007-12-02 01:51:34 and read 894 times.



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 12):
I was at a different Best Buy today and the iPods were all working fine, but one thing I noticed is that it is more difficult to use the scroll wheel to move to the next item on a list.

Never had a problem with that; It works quickly and precisely, but one may need a little practice.

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Fridgmus
Posted 2007-12-02 07:56:06 and read 861 times.

I have a 60GB iPod and can't seem to get the Bass going! Judging from all of your posts, the Zune seems to be much better.

Can you use your iTunes files to input music into the Zune and if not, is there a way to?

Thanks,

Marc

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Ebs757
Posted 2007-12-02 08:27:31 and read 852 times.



Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 18):

Can you use your iTunes files to input music into the Zune and if not, is there a way to?

No but I hear the zune software is much better than itunes

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Klaus
Posted 2007-12-02 08:36:33 and read 848 times.



Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 18):
I have a 60GB iPod and can't seem to get the Bass going!

Especially the cheaper headphones/earbuds (such as the ones provided with practically every player on the market) have little if any bass response, so even the equalizer settings for increased bass won't make that much of a difference, especially in the lower bass range. How well they fit to your ears will also be a factor.

Get a proper set and you won't have any problems with bass any more, regardless of the player.

Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 18):
Judging from all of your posts, the Zune seems to be much better.

It costs the same as the iPod, is bigger, heavier, has shorter battery life, compared to the iPod next to no infrastructure/accessories available and the reviews of its firmware and PC software (Windows only) are mixed (to put it mildly).

I'd at least recommend you to check it out yourself in practice.

Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 18):
Can you use your iTunes files to input music into the Zune and if not, is there a way to?

The Zune doesn't support the DRMed (protected) files from the iTunes Store or the Apple Lossless format. Unprotected MP3 and AAC files (such as the newer DRM-free "iTunes plus" files from the iTunes store) will probably work. Protected files can be burned to audio CD and re-ripped into any other formats.

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Fridgmus
Posted 2007-12-02 08:59:28 and read 841 times.

Thanks very much Klaus!

I have a set of high-end Shure headphones and even with those, getting more bass into my music is impossible, I think it's my iPod, but who knows. There isn't an Apple store in downtown Tikrit!!!

I'll be in Bangkok in January, I'll see if there is a store there to help me.

Thanks again,

Marc

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: NeilYYZ
Posted 2007-12-02 09:14:55 and read 836 times.



Quoting Klaus (Reply 20):

The Zune doesn't support the DRMed (protected) files from the iTunes Store or the Apple Lossless format. Unprotected MP3 and AAC files (such as the newer DRM-free "iTunes plus" files from the iTunes store) will probably work. Protected files can be burned to audio CD and re-ripped into any other formats.

Well then, I'm out of the Zune. I've spent a couple thousand dollars on my music through iTunes, and I'm sure not going to re-buy all of that music. Kudos to Apple, you just decided for me that I'm going to get another iPod. I'm definitely going to buy an extended warranty this time!

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Klaus
Posted 2007-12-02 09:28:16 and read 829 times.



Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 21):
I have a set of high-end Shure headphones and even with those, getting more bass into my music is impossible, I think it's my iPod, but who knows.

Have you tried the various equalizer presets? I don't use them, but they worked as expected when I checked them out.

Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 21):
There isn't an Apple store in downtown Tikrit!!!

Shame on them!  mischievous 

Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 21):
Thanks again,

You're welcome. Take care!

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 22):
Kudos to Apple, you just decided for me that I'm going to get another iPod. I'm definitely going to buy an extended warranty this time!

That's always a good idea for a portable device; But even more important is that you're careful with any harddisk-based player, be it an iPod, a Zune or anything else.

All the best!

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Greasespot
Posted 2007-12-02 09:36:19 and read 828 times.

Just to keep the thread hijack going....I bought a 5 gb IPOD mini when they first came out 3 or 4 years ago....I have trained for 3 Ironman triathlons...multiple marathons......Cross country skied with it.......there are dents and chips all over this thing from being dropped banged and abused in general I am on my third self installed battery and when this thing dies.....I am staying with apple...

GS

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: NeilYYZ
Posted 2007-12-03 02:43:26 and read 844 times.



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 25):
No need to re-buy it, just convert it for free.

http://hymn-project.org/



Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 27):
Neil save your mp3's to your computer and upload them to your zune software. You paid for the songs you should be able to put them on anything you please.

Thanks for the advice mates! I'm definately going to look into these suggestions because just about 20 minutes ago my iPod crapped out again on the way to the library, and there's nothing more boring annoying than walking to a library through a bad part of town without any music to listen to!

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Klaus
Posted 2007-12-03 03:29:16 and read 834 times.



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 25):
Don't have to practice with the Zune.

Nor with the iPod normally, but some people apparently have trouble with it nevertheless. Some testers found the new Zune's touch pad clunky and annoyingly imprecise. So there's that.

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 25):
Actually the 4 & 8GB versions have equal weight and battery life, and the Zune takes 1 hour less to charge fully.

Well, given that tests found the actual real-life battery capacity of the Zune significantly shorter than the iPod's, it better be a bit quicker when charging up again!

Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 27):
Maybe because the Zunes screen is almost twice the size of the ipods.

Only on the harddisk models and at the same number of pixels, so there is little gained - if anything. The new iPod nano, on the other hand, has a larger screen than the corresponding Zune. And all Zunes are significantly more voluminous then the respective iPods.

There's also no Zune corresponding to the 160GB iPod Classic, to the Shuffle and especially not to the Touch.

Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 27):
And guess what? The Zune just came out and its price is going to go down just like it did last year when gen1 came out.

Sure. Supply and (lacking) demand...

Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 27):
Where do you get the Zune is heavier? Its 4.5 oz while the Ipod classic is actually 4.9 oz

You're right. I remembered that incorrectly - the Zunes are indeed slightly lighter, but still significantly bulkier.

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Freckles
Posted 2007-12-03 04:35:30 and read 814 times.



Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 19):
No but I hear the zune software is much better than itunes

Thats utter crap, I've used it and it is no where as near as intuitive as Apple's iTunes.

The new Zune (I've had a demo model) is larger and not as comfortable to hold than the iPod Classic. It just doesn't feel complete and I don't trust the touch pad control mechanism.

The Zune 1 was shockingly bad, the Zune 2 is better (its good), but without the enormous support from accessory manufacturers, great warranty (1 year RTB for the ipod), and significantly better reviews across the board (you cannot escape this fact), the Zune is for the MSFT die hards only.

Evidently Ebs757 is as arrogant as any of them

At least the other members discussing are considering the competition, even if it is poor.

Morgan

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: BHMBAGLOCK
Posted 2007-12-03 05:20:31 and read 801 times.



Quoting Freckles (Reply 38):
The Zune 1 was shockingly bad,

I actually like mine a lot. It saves me from having to carry a separate device for FM radio. Great for football games to listen to play by play and for the gym.

Quoting Freckles (Reply 38):
but without the enormous support from accessory manufacturers,

First, many iPod accessories will also work fine with Zune, second - there is a nice variety of Zune specific accessories out there as well, not as much as iPod but I really can't think of anything I need that I can't get.

Quoting Freckles (Reply 38):
the Zune is for the MSFT die hards only.

or for those who needed features like FM, wireless, or larger screen sooner than Apple delivered or will deliver them. If nothing else, Zune has forced Apple to move faster with some new features for their products.

A guy I work with got a Zune right after I did and now his kids(who all own iPods) are bugging him to get them Zunes. These are 10 year olds who couldn't care less about MSFT or Apple.

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Klaus
Posted 2007-12-03 05:35:31 and read 792 times.



Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 39):
or for those who needed features like FM

The Apple Radio Remote does that as well for the few who want it.

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 39):
or for those who needed features like FM, wireless, or larger screen sooner than Apple delivered or will deliver them. If nothing else, Zune has forced Apple to move faster with some new features for their products.

I can't discern any change of pace related to the Zune in any way. The Touch is a sibling of the iPhone and completely without equal. The nano was a replacement of the mini while that one was still a top seller. The Classic and its predecessors always set the standard in the high-capacity range.

The Zune has come somewhat closer to the iPod, but it still falls short on almost everything, even if not quite as badly as in its first iteration. And in the market it's not really a relevant force. You can't even buy one outside of the USA.

Sure, it can be a matter of taste, but I'd look really carefully at the various models in comparison before making a decision.

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: BHMBAGLOCK
Posted 2007-12-03 05:55:30 and read 786 times.



Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
The Apple Radio Remote does that as well for the few who want it.

Personally, I consider it to be a needed core feature and don't want more weight/junk external to the base unit. More to break, lose, etc.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
I can't discern any change of pace related to the Zune in any way.

Bigger screen and wireless did come first on Zune or did you notice? iPhone is cool but I won't be considering it simply because the AT&T/Cingular network is so terrible over here. I'm currently on it and will be changing to Verizon as soon as I get around to it. I'm sick of dropping calls in the middle of open areas that are densely populated; not acceptable to me. Oh yeah, their data network is pathetic as well.

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Klaus
Posted 2007-12-03 06:17:55 and read 780 times.

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 41):
Personally, I consider it to be a needed core feature and don't want more weight/junk external to the base unit. More to break, lose, etc.

The question is if that can make up for the substantially larger bulk of the Zune to begin with, but it's of course a valid preference. I personally have never really missed radio on my nano, so it would have been a pointless expense to pay for it anyway.

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 41):
Bigger screen and wireless did come first on Zune or did you notice?

The Zune has only a mechanically larger screen (and pays for it with bulk and reduced playback time) but no improved resolution. It also offers no practical wireless functionality either.

The iPod Touch is a completely differerent device in a class of its own. It can't even be compared with the Zune: Full web access, full wireless music store access and a completely new kind of user interface on a much higher-resolution screen (double the number of pixels). It owes all its features to the iPhone which I can't see owing anything to the Zune at all - it runs under MacOS X and incorporates iTunes and a bunch of other Apple technologies.

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 41):
iPhone is cool but I won't be considering it simply because the AT&T/Cingular network is so terrible over here.

Yeah, that is of course a valid point. But when the SIM lock will remain broken in Europe (as it currently is in Germany and in France), you should be able to get an unlocked one in the US as well, either directly or via import. Of course it only makes sense if you've got standard GSM coverage at all and if possible EDGE for data transfer (or UMTS next year).

[Edited 2007-12-03 06:25:14]

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2007-12-03 07:59:13 and read 766 times.



Quoting Klaus (Reply 42):
much higher-resolution screen (double the number of pixels).

A quick look on Wikipedia shows that the Zune has 320x240 screen, and the Touch has 480x320, or 76,800 and 153,600, which is exactly double.

Quote:
The Zune has only a mechanically larger screen (and pays for it with bulk and reduced playback time)

While not plugged in, and while watching Youtube, the Touch isn't steller in battery life, but the bright, clear screen does make up for it.

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Klaus
Posted 2007-12-03 08:07:44 and read 767 times.



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 43):
A quick look on Wikipedia shows that the Zune has 320x240 screen, and the Touch has 480x320, or 76,800 and 153,600, which is exactly double.

That's why I've said exactly that above...

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2007-12-03 08:11:06 and read 757 times.



Quoting Klaus (Reply 44):
That's why I've said exactly that above...

Just making sure that I meet my quota of stating the obvious at least once a day.  Wink

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Klaus
Posted 2007-12-03 08:17:22 and read 757 times.



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 45):
Just making sure that I meet my quota of stating the obvious at least once a day.

Do you need anything stamped or signed for that?

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Ebs757
Posted 2007-12-03 08:17:29 and read 755 times.



Quoting Freckles (Reply 38):
Evidently Ebs757 is as arrogant as any of them

At least the other members discussing are considering the competition, even if it is poor.

Well im so sorry I am arrogant to you freckles. I have three friends with the zune and thats what they have said to me about the software interface etc. They may not no a ton about computers but that is three peoples strong opinion.

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Klaus
Posted 2007-12-03 08:46:32 and read 746 times.

For those interested in a direct 1:1 comparison, this one is extensive and has many side-by-side pictures:

Winter 2007 Buyer's Guide: Microsoft Zune 8 vs iPod Nano - RoughlyDrafted Magazine

The reviewer's preference is clear, but he goes into so much detail that anybody should be able to at least ask him- or herself whether certain issues would be of concern.

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: AirTranTUS
Posted 2007-12-03 10:25:55 and read 727 times.



Quoting Klaus (Reply 48):
The reviewer's preference is clear, but he goes into so much detail that anybody should be able to at least ask him- or herself whether certain issues would be of concern.

While an interesting review, I do wonder about some things. He says he dislikes that you have to turn the Zune sideways to play video. Isn't that the same thing you have to do for the iPod Touch and iPhone? Does he dislike it there as well? He also says a CNET review of the Zune gave it a 6.6 out of 10. Well actually, the Zune 8 got a 6.6 out of 10 by users, from CNET it actually got a 7.7/10, while the iPod was only slightly better at 8.0/10. He also says the lists are hard to get through on the Zune, but I never experienced that.

Also on the subject of ratings, CNET gave both the iPod 80GB and Zune 80GB 8.3/10, while the users gave the Zune an 8.0/10 and the iPod a 6.5/10. The number of users who rated it is very close so no chance of the numbers being off in that regard.

Overall, it appears Microsoft has made a very capable music player that deserves a close look when someone is going to purchase one.

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2007-12-03 11:17:30 and read 723 times.



Quoting Klaus (Reply 20):
The Zune doesn't support the DRMed (protected) files from the iTunes Store or the Apple Lossless format. Unprotected MP3 and AAC files (such as the newer DRM-free "iTunes plus" files from the iTunes store) will probably work. Protected files can be burned to audio CD and re-ripped into any other formats.



Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 22):
Well then, I'm out of the Zune. I've spent a couple thousand dollars on my music through iTunes, and I'm sure not going to re-buy all of that music. Kudos to Apple, you just decided for me that I'm going to get another iPod. I'm definitely going to buy an extended warranty this time!

Why would anyone actually pay for music is beyond my reasoning  Wink

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Klaus
Posted 2007-12-03 11:27:53 and read 719 times.



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 50):
Why would anyone actually pay for music is beyond my reasoning

Your own apparent willingness to work for peanuts is admirable...  mischievous 

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Ebs757
Posted 2007-12-03 12:30:11 and read 700 times.



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 50):
Why would anyone actually pay for music is beyond my reasoning

I know right?

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 49):

Clearly some apple fan boy wrote it up. I don't think there was one negative thing said about the Ipod as it was totally perfect no flaws what so ever.

"The Zune is a bad product that deserves to fail."
quote from the review.

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2007-12-03 12:58:13 and read 692 times.

Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 52):
Clearly some apple fan boy wrote it up.

After reading some other articles of his, he's not a fanboy. Rather, he's just anti-Microsoft. Of what I read, 9 out of 10 articles deal with MS in one way or another, and their dealings with other companies, customers, and suppliers in the past 20 years.

In one article he points out MS screwing IBM, the OS/2 OS, Lotus, and Apple—among other software providers for that OS—in one fell swoop when MS cancelled the OS/2 3.0 project and released Windows 3.0 and Office instead.

[Edited 2007-12-03 13:13:39]

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Ebs757
Posted 2007-12-03 14:01:10 and read 679 times.



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 53):

After reading some other articles of his, he's not a fanboy. Rather, he's just anti-Microsoft. Of what I read, 9 out of 10 articles deal with MS in one way or another, and their dealings with other companies, customers, and suppliers in the past 20 years.

In one article he points out MS screwing IBM, the OS/2 OS, Lotus, and Apple—among other software providers for that OS—in one fell swoop when MS cancelled the OS/2 3.0 project and released Windows 3.0 and Office instead.

Yeah your right. I guess I didn't look at all the details

Topic: RE: New Zune
Username: Luv2cattlecall
Posted 2007-12-03 18:03:10 and read 653 times.



Quoting Klaus (Reply 37):
Only on the harddisk models and at the same number of pixels, so there is little gained - if anything

Good point; In other news, my 32" HDTV and my 52" Bravia have the same number of pixels...nothing to gain in that extra 61% of screen space either, right?  banghead 

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 39):
or larger screen sooner than Apple delivered or will deliver them

You forgot to mention that unlike the iPod Classic (the iPod it's directly going against, so no one bring up the iTouch please), the Zune 80 has a glass covered screen. It's been proven that it's harder to break than the plastic, MUCH more resistant to scratches and scuffs, and is much better at dealing with glare.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
The Apple Radio Remote does that as well for the few who want it.

1) $50 more...you're seriously better off just buying some pos radio at the local dollar store, the reception on this thing is terrible.
2) More than a "few" utilize the feature in the Zune, and it's nice having everything integrated. Even apple knows this, obviously, judging by their iPhone commercials advertising that it's nicer carrying only one thing instead of 4 in a bag.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
The Zune has come somewhat closer to the iPod, but it still falls short on almost everything, even if not quite as badly as in its first iteration.

It's slightly thicker....how is that falling short on almost everything? Bigger screen, much better sound quality, none of that lag crap the iPod classic has, wireless syncing..etc

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
And in the market it's not really a relevant force. You can't even buy one outside of the USA.

And since the US market alone is so small, you have a good point  thumbsdown 

Quoting Klaus (Reply 42):
The question is if that can make up for the substantially larger bulk of the Zune to begin with

"Substantially larger bulk" would be something like the Archos...the Zune is not much bigger! Also, if you take one apart, you'll see that a nice chunk of inside real estate is devoted to cushioning the HDD....too bad that MSFT put functionality over aesthetics though, right?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 42):
The Zune has only a mechanically larger screen (and pays for it with bulk and reduced playback time) but no improved resolution. It also offers no practical wireless functionality either.

See above comment about my 32" tv vs. my 52" one. While the 3 play restriction is annoying, it's really nice being able to beam songs (now that it's actually possible to find other Zune'rs out there), and the wireless sync is great.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 42):
The iPod Touch is a completely differerent device in a class of its own. It can't even be compared with the Zune: Full web access, full wireless music store access and a completely new kind of user interface on a much higher-resolution screen (double the number of pixels). It

Exactly, the iPod Touch is in a different class....it costs a segment or two more, and offers 1/5th the storage. It does, however, do the web thing, bigger screen, etc.... Not saying the cost isn't justified, just saying that each product has a different intended purpose, so people need to stop saying "Zune sucks because it doesn't let me directly let me go to porn sites to take advantage of the iVibrate app"






I'm sorry if I come off as anti-apple, I'm not. I have an iPod 5.5g and it's a good product, it's just that the Zune is much nicer in my opinion, for what I do with it. The iPod has a more simple layout and a more seamless experience, so if you're giving a media player to your techonophobe mom, you may be better off with it. I personally like the scrolling on the Zune better, but some people like the iPod better... I like the search feature on the iPod, but I like that the Zune has a fast response time (the iPod is slow as hell if you try scrolling through your music at the same time a song is playing) even better. I also like the Zune's ability to maneuver through various functions without backing up to the menu screen, but some prefer the linear, categorized, hierarchal navigation of the iPod. Neither player is bad..... There's nothing wrong with balanced opinions about either product, but comments designed to spread FUD will do nothing but enforce the stereotype that those of us who use Apple products are douchebag fanboys. I like my Apple G5 for some things, but I also use my PCs quite a bit and can see why they're so widespread. In my opinion, if someone was in the market for a new media player, I'd hands-down recommend the Zune. If they asked me a year ago, I'd have no problem pushing the iPod.


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