Under the heading of "people who can physically be parents sometimes shouldn't be anyway."

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/cri...01/28/tan.or.toddler.stun.gun.katu

Ah, yes, the macho "I want my son to be TOUGH!" He's watched Rambo a few too many times. And then he has the nerve to blame his wife for all this. Well, he's off to jail for 4 years. Maybe he'll come out a little wiser, but I doubt it.

18 months old? Hell, I was drinking beer and pissing nails by that time, what a wimp! Kid needs to suck it up and chew on diaper pins instead of a pacifier!

But his dad is still an asshole. Hang him. Maybe he needs some instructions on child care...

I can't open the link, because I'm at work, but if this is true then this jackass needs to have a stun gun applied to his genitals...it'll toughen him up while he's doing his time.....

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 2): but if this is true then this jackass needs to have a stun gun applied to his genitals...it'll toughen him up while he's doing his time.....

They should make it one of those internet things where we can log on and stun him remotely by pressing a tab with the mouse.

Quoting Queso (Reply 1): 18 months old? Hell, I was drinking beer and pissing nails by that time,

signed,
ANCFlyer

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 2): ...it'll toughen him up while he's doing his time.....

He's probably already become someone's b**** in there and perhaps is finding it hard to walk.
Don't drop the soap guy!

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 3): They should make it one of those internet things where we can log on and stun him remotely by pressing a tab with the mouse.

I LOVE that idea......

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 2): I can't open the link, because I'm at work, but if this is true then this jackass needs to have a stun gun applied to his genitals...it'll toughen him up while he's doing his time.....

I've seen the vid, and it's just plain disgusting to see how a man can actually do this to a child.

However, don't hang the guy for it, that sick bastard should be FRIED for this!

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6): However, don't hang the guy for it, that sick bastard should be FRIED for this!

I meant by his balls. Is that better?

Quoting Queso (Reply 7): I meant by his balls. Is that better?

Here's my compromise: first hang him by the balls, then fry his ass. How about it?  

OMG Ritchie!! You and Queso are as harsh as KROC!! LOL!!

Maybe they'll stick a cattle prod up his ass.

Let's see if he's a tough guy after that.

Some people don't need to be sharing this planet with us.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 8): Here's my compromise: first hang him by the balls, then fry his ass. How about it?

Make it upside down and you've got a deal.

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 9): OMG Ritchie!! You and Queso are as harsh as KROC!! LOL!!

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 9): OMG Ritchie!! You and Queso are as harsh as KROC!! LOL!!

Who's Ritchie?  

Signed,
Richie (that's Richie without a T)  

It almost scares me when thinking about what I would be cabable of doing to this wacko!
His own son! DAMN..............Im lost for words.


Aim for the sky!
Sudden

That lady is scary!!!!!!

some people just shouldnt be able to have kids

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12): Signed, Richie (that's Richie without a T)

Sorry Richie! I'll get it right next time.

Quoting Queso (Reply 11): Make it upside down and you've got a deal.

Done!

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 16): Sorry Richie! I'll get it right next time.

No problem, happens all the time.   

Another reason to introduce caning, Singapore style. 20 of the best, administered by a karate black belt with a wet rattan stick (1/2" diametre, long as a broomstick) on the stretched @rse. Make him remember in shame for the rerst of his life how he p*ssed himself.

Jan

Let's see now... some idiot tried to "toughen up" his kid by subjecting him to random violence.

The following suggestions have been made:

Quoting Queso (Reply 1): Hang him.

Quoting Queso (Reply 7): by his balls

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 2): needs to have a stun gun applied to his genitals

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 3): stun him remotely

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 5): LOVE that idea......

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 4): perhaps is finding it hard to walk

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6): sick bastard should be FRIED

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 18): caning, Singapore style.

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 10): stick a cattle prod up his ass

Hmmm.... I wonder where he got the idea of a society in which violence is a cure-all solution from?




edited to include "caning, Singapore style"....

[Edited 2008-01-29 09:24:05]

Quoting Rara (Reply 19): Hmmm.... I wonder where he got the idea of a society in which violence is a cure-all solution from?

You got to be kidding, right!?
So we are actually the ones who made him do this?
Folks, don't express what you think as that will influense other people to go out and act as total idiots!

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Hey all,

to be honest, I don't even know what to say. That guy is sick bastard and I would definitely like to see him to become prison bitch. Maybe someone should hang him by his balls, so he can show how tough he really is!

Quoting Rara (Reply 19):

I am really confused? So this guy is really a victim of today's society? He is really a good guy and we are the bad ones?

Well if that's the case, then:



Cheers,
Andrej

Quoting Sudden (Reply 20): So we are actually the ones who made him do this?

Quoting Andrej (Reply 21): He is really a good guy

I've got to wonder - can you only think in extremes? Is a person either 100% guilty or 100% innocent in your world? If that's the case, we have to end discussion at this point.

I personally try not to judge crimes because I don't work in the legal profession and it's not my job. But I do wonder why people behave in a deranged way like the guy we're talking about here. The idea that he must make his son "tought", subject him to violence, seems sick and wrong to us. Where would he get this idea from, living in a society in which violence should generally be outlawed and punished? Now what I find remarkable is that at least the people who answered in this thread seem to be big believers in abnormally cruel and perverted violence themselves. So maybe it's not such a big miracle after all.

Apparently it's necessary to add a disclaimer these days: I do not in any way excuse the person's behaviour, I advocate appropriate punishment, and I do not hold the people posting in this thread responsible for what's happened to the poor child. I hope that avoids confusion..  

Quoting Rara (Reply 22): Now what I find remarkable is that at least the people who answered in this thread seem to be big believers in abnormally cruel and perverted violence themselves. So maybe it's not such a big miracle after all.

Let me clarify something for you,
You get the reactions above based on anger, sadness, rage etc. over what an adult are capable of doing to an innocent child who in no way can defend himself. The most dangerous thing would be if people would be writing "who cares", "so what", "none of my business". Now THAT would cause more arguments then you see now. People are showing healthy/human reactions to what is going on in the world today.

Quoting Rara (Reply 22): I personally try not to judge crimes because I don't work in the legal profession and it's not my job

No matter how you twist it, as with this you are saying that this father might have done the right thing, until proven guilty!?

Aim for th sky!
Sudden

Hi, thanks for your comments.

Quoting Sudden (Reply 23): People are showing healthy/human reactions to what is going on in the world today.

That's exactly what I'm questioning. You call the reactions human, I call them inhuman. You call the reactions healthy, I call them sick. A father torturing his son, that's sick as we'll both agree. Anal torture with a cattle prod is, in my view, not any better - especially if it comes from someone not personally involved with the matter at all.

Quoting Sudden (Reply 23): No matter how you twist it, as with this you are saying that this father might have done the right thing, until proven guilty!?

In principle yes - in reality, I think we can skip the legal deliberation part and informally agree that the father indeed acted very wrong. However - what's the basis of our agreement? It's our shared culture, common values, common imagination of how our society should work. We see the infancy stages of development as something special, distinctly different from adulthood, something in need of protection. Do you realize that this view of things is relatively new and relatively special to the Western world?

This brings us to the question of how to "judge" the actions of an individual if everyone has different categories of judgement. I'm a strong believer in a common set of guidelines and the rule of law. In other words, we define wrongdoing and the appropriate punishment; and don't allocate punishment based on wishes of revenge, personal misgivings, the rule of a mob and so on.

Quoting Rara (Reply 24): Quoting Sudden (Reply 23): No matter how you twist it, as with this you are saying that this father might have done the right thing, until proven guilty!? In principle yes - in reality, I think we can skip the legal deliberation part and informally agree that the father indeed acted very wrong. However - what's the basis of our agreement? It's our shared culture, common values, common imagination of how our society should work. We see the infancy stages of development as something special, distinctly different from adulthood, something in need of protection. Do you realize that this view of things is relatively new and relatively special to the Western world? This brings us to the question of how to "judge" the actions of an individual if everyone has different categories of judgement. I'm a strong believer in a common set of guidelines and the rule of law. In other words, we define wrongdoing and the appropriate punishment; and don't allocate punishment based on wishes of revenge, personal misgivings, the rule of a mob and so on.

Rara,

The guy is a bully. He takes out his whims on somebody weaker, who can't defend himself and usually has a very high opinion of himself as somebody who can't be touched. Having been a victim of bullying back in my school days, my opinion is that bullies need to be broken and humiliated. A normal prison sentence will give this guy a chance to show off how tough he is. A caning will make him sh*t himself and expose him to ridicule, and everybody will know this. This is a lesson this guy (or e.g. Nazi skinheads) will never forget for their whole life. Instant humility guaranteed.

Jan

Quoting Rara (Reply 24): In principle yes - in reality, I think we can skip the legal deliberation part and informally agree that the father indeed acted very wrong. However - what's the basis of our agreement? It's our shared culture, common values, common imagination of how our society should work. We see the infancy stages of development as something special, distinctly different from adulthood, something in need of protection. Do you realize that this view of things is relatively new and relatively special to the Western world? This brings us to the question of how to "judge" the actions of an individual if everyone has different categories of judgement. I'm a strong believer in a common set of guidelines and the rule of law. In other words, we define wrongdoing and the appropriate punishment; and don't allocate punishment based on wishes of revenge, personal misgivings, the rule of a mob and so on.

I can see that this discussion will not bring us anywhere. I am a father of 2 small kids, which in a way influnses my way of seeing things differently and from another perspective. I do not know you, but based on what you are writing you do not have children, and from my point of view, keep it that way!

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Jan,

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 25): Instant humility guaranteed.

I guess we just differ on that. I don't want to see people humiliated regardless of what they have done. That's not only based on a moral view, but also in practice, I believe that equal breeds equal. Wifebeaters are usually the sons of a wifebeating fathers, child-abusers have usually been abused themselves when they were kids. Caning might serve as a deterrent, but it also sets an agenda: we as a society believe violence to be a worthwhile solution. It's been my point in this thread that a violence-based climate brings out the worst in people as it did to the father in question.

Quoting Sudden (Reply 26): I do not know you, but based on what you are writing you do not have children, and from my point of view, keep it that way!

I'm 23, I don't have any children. I cannot rule out that I'd be answering differently if I had kids. But I don't believe so. I can't see how arguing against cruelty would disallow me to have children myself - in fact, I'd believe it qualifies me more than some others who deem it necessary to make their children "tough".

Quoting Rara (Reply 27): I guess we just differ on that. I don't want to see people humiliated regardless of what they have done. That's not only based on a moral view, but also in practice, I believe that equal breeds equal. Wifebeaters are usually the sons of a wifebeating fathers, child-abusers have usually been abused themselves when they were kids. Caning might serve as a deterrent, but it also sets an agenda: we as a society believe violence to be a worthwhile solution. It's been my point in this thread that a violence-based climate brings out the worst in people as it did to the father in question.

Sometimes, the only way to go is an eye for an eye attitude. I agree with Jan, the guy should get a prison sentence and caning for his crime. As far as legally sanctioned physical punishment for criminals is concerned, maybe we should look at how they do it in Singapore, where physical punishment is still legal in their prisons.

That man took away his infant son's human dignity. We're not talking about torturing the man or sentence him to death, it's all about a punishment that, while brutal, it's one time only during his sentence and serves him as a painful lesson never to do this again. As I said, sometimes you have to take an eye for an eye attitude, especially with sick bastards like him. How would you react if you were a father? I may not be a father myself, but I've had a difficult childhood with a father who's behaviour is very erratic and thus sometimes verbally abusive, so whatever violence a child suffers, be it verbal or physical, I'll always react with rage when I hear of ANY kind of child abuse case and would like to see the people responsible suffer until their final breath for what they've done.

So put yourself in the position of a child or of a parent: How would YOU react if they do this to you or your child? I'm sure your current apologetic tone would then disappear in a heartbeat.

Quoting Rara (Reply 27): I can't see how arguing against cruelty would disallow me to have children myself

It's not arguing against it that worries me. It's the fact that you find that this man should get a fair trial before anyone starts to judge him! In many ways the law system is a joke, which I think you know yourself.
And this case is rock solid: You don't torture a child!


Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 28): So put yourself in the position of a child or of a parent: How would YOU react if they do this to you or your child? I'm sure your current apologetic tone would then disappear in a heartbeat.

Since I've started posting in this thread, it seems to be necessary to again and again repeat that I'm not apologetic, I think he's acted wrong just like everybody else thinks etc. pp.

You ask whether, had he mistreated my child, would I wish him caning, brutal punishment or worse? Yes possibly. But that's precisely the reason why in our legal system, the persecutor is never the judge! Anything else will lead you to lynch law and an "eye for an eye" system like 2000 years ago. I realize that many people want this, particularly in places like the Middle East or America, but I believe we have evolved from it and it's not what I stand for.

Quoting Sudden (Reply 29): It's the fact that you find that this man should get a fair trial before anyone starts to judge him!

Quoting Rara (Reply 24): in reality, I think we can skip the legal deliberation part and informally agree that the father indeed acted very wrong.

Quoting Sudden (Reply 29): And this case is rock solid: You don't torture a child!

No you don't - and you don't torture anyone, as a matter of fact. Shall we leave it at that then?

Quoting Rara (Reply 30): it seems to be necessary to again and again repeat that I'm not apologetic

Sorry, but reading your previous posts, you DO sound apologetic.   

Quoting Rara (Reply 30): I realize that many people want this, particularly in places like the Middle East or America, but I believe we have evolved from it and it's not what I stand for.

See, there's a problem: we humans have NOT evolved from that, at least not completely. Otherwise, we wouldn't be discussing this issue in the first place because it would have never happened.  

Quoting Queso (Reply 1):

Did you get those pics from the "Brittany Spears Parenting Book"?  

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 31): Sorry, but reading your previous posts, you DO sound apologetic. talktothehand

Quoting Rara (Reply 22): I do not in any way excuse the person's behaviour, I advocate appropriate punishment, and I do not hold the people posting in this thread responsible for what's happened to the poor child.