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Topic: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-09-28 11:48:20 and read 4099 times.

Lewis Hamilton won the Singapore Grand Prix.
Now let's see who will win at Suzuka!

Will Jenson Button stand more chances to win the World title?

Japanese Grand Prix

Suzuka, 2-4 October 2009

Friday 2
First practice: 1000-1130 (0200-0330 BST)
Second practice: 1400-1530 (0600-0730 BST)

Saturday 3
Third practice: 1100-1200 (0300-0400 BST)
Qualifying: 1400 (0600 BST)

Sunday 4
Race: 1400 (0600 BST)

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-09-28 12:46:16 and read 4087 times.

Suzuka is a different track, so lets see if Button will be able to grab a win again.
That said, he seems to have more issues with the tyres then Barrichello, and Baariichello can smell the title as well. So it will be down to the last race again I would say.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-09-28 13:09:24 and read 4082 times.

Well Rubens will be "on his own ground" in Brazil. Maybe this will give him an extra boost and the needed points toward the world title? Me would love to see another 3 Hammy wins!!  Big grin

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-09-28 15:02:29 and read 4068 times.



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
Maybe this will give him an extra boost and the needed points toward the world title?

Well,
Barrichello is able to keep his tyres under control when Button is understeering like mad. Pretty strange actually as they are driving the same car. Likely that Barrichello is setting it up his car in a way that gives him that little upperhand in regards to the tyres.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2009-09-28 17:22:17 and read 4058 times.

Max's anointed gnome... er.. heir apparent has upset the South Africans.

Jean Todt asked The Telegraph "Do you think people in South Africa care what is happening in F1?"

The MD of Motorsport South Africa naturally took umbrage at this.. "Todt's comment is not only an insult to South Africa, but to all African countries. South Africa is extremely proud of the fact that a past F1 World Champion (Jody Scheckter) is a South African -- and that many very successful F1 Grands Prix were held in our country, which presently broadcasts every grand prix throughout Africa.

"In fact, South Africa had a F1 world champion fully six years before Todt's homeland, and while South Africa does not presently have a race on the F1 calendar, France does not, either. Accordingly it is very pleasing to note that Jody's name does not appear on the list of F1 drivers who support Todt."

One could ask the little Frenchman what the people of Abu Dhabi, Dubai or for that matter Malaysia, China and even Singapore care about F1... very little I would venture.

Cheers

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-09-29 02:42:01 and read 4034 times.

So according to the Spanish media (relayed by the French ones), Alonso signed a 6-year deal with Ferrari, for €25 million.

http://www.lequipe.fr/Formule1/breve...15742_alonso-va-ouvrir-le-bal.html (in French)

He said that he took his decision since a quite a long time (without mentionning to where he would go).

The latest rumours are:

Alonso to Ferrari
Kubica to Renault
Rosberg to Brawn GP (alongside Button)
Kimi back to McLaren

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-09-29 03:07:10 and read 4028 times.



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 5):
The latest rumours are:

You can also add that Barrichello and Kova will swap seats for next season. Just heard this on CNN.
Makes no sense at all! Kova is not able to perform in the Mclaren, so why should he be able to do it in the BGP.
He will just be left behind by Button as Hamilton is leaving him behind now.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Cornish
Posted 2009-09-29 03:09:58 and read 4026 times.

Put this in the Singapore GP report but didnt realise we had a Japan one now.....


You have to laugh at Nelson Piquet Sr's attack on Renault and Alonso with his claim that Alonso pulled the strings at the team. No different to what other great drivers have done, by getting a team to revolve around them notably Schumacher at Ferrari and Senna post Prost at McLaren. and most notably at all by a certain Mr Piquet during his time at Brabham and including 2 of his 3 world championship years.....

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/152877/...ore_pulled_strings_at_renault.html

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Shamrock321
Posted 2009-09-29 03:25:09 and read 4019 times.

Hopefully the Force Indias will be back on the pace at Suzuka, it should suit them more than Singapore.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-09-29 04:23:45 and read 4009 times.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 7):
You have to laugh at Nelson Piquet Sr's attack on Renault

He should stop attacking Renault. In 1983, he won the WDC with non-authorized petrol. And if Renault had protested (which they did not do because they did not want to win by the decision of marshalls), Renault and Prost would have been World Champions.

So please Nelson, don't forget that you owe one of your World Title thanks to the fair-play of Renault.

[Edited 2009-09-29 04:25:06]

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Bill142
Posted 2009-09-30 05:46:47 and read 3959 times.

Looks as if Williams are looking at Barrichello for 2010.
So the 2010 grid is looking like

McLaren:
Hamilton
Raikkonen

Brawn:
Button
Rosberg

Ferrari:
Massa
Alonso

Williams:
Barrichello
Hulkenburg

Renault:
Kubica
Grojean

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2009-09-30 08:24:58 and read 3937 times.



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
McLaren:
Hamilton
Raikkonen

if the car will be good, they are looking forward to a very competetive season. LH and Kimi is a scary competition for the rest. Despite a few negatives, I'll miss Kimi in Ferrari.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
Brawn:
Button
Rosberg

Not bad, but I like Barrichello better

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
Ferrari:
Massa
Alonso

Well, I've said it a million times, I would have preferred Ferrari to get someone else, but since it's Alonso at the end, I hope there are no wierd things going on and that he focuses on what he does best; racing. That said, I hope the team gives equal treatment to both drivers, and that Massa will win the WDC. As in Mclaren, if the car is good, Ferrari will be very tough to beat with these drivers.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
Williams:
Barrichello
Hulkenburg

Rubens, stay at Brawn!

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
Renault:
Kubica
Grojean

Will they even be in the grid next season?

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: BlueElephant
Posted 2009-09-30 08:27:27 and read 3936 times.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79061
And Here it is...Alonso confirmed by Ferrari to replace Kimi.
3 year deal.

Now lets see everything roll through...I'll be honest I like Heikki a lot, but he just doesn't drive as brilliantly as I wished he did. I would have loved to see Nico Rosberg in the McLaren, that would have been fantastic...I hope that Lewis and Kimi dominate next year. It would be really fun to see a 3 way battle between the Ferraris, McLaren and Brawn.

P.S. A Really cool article on BBC on why the Alonso move could bring about another Schumi/Hakinnen-esqe era.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewben...lonso_to_ferrari_could_herald.html

[Edited 2009-09-30 08:31:25]

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2009-09-30 08:29:34 and read 3935 times.



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):
It would be really fun to see a 3 way battle between the Ferraris, McLaren and Brawn

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 

and let me add that it would be nice to see a season where the main discussions will rest on the driving and not at all the other ugly stuff that's been happening the last couple fo years.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-09-30 09:04:05 and read 3926 times.



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):
And Here it is...Alonso confirmed by Ferrari to replace Kimi.
3 year deal.

Good for Ferrari. To me, he is clearly the best driver in F1 at the moment.

Damn, I'll have to support Ferrari for the next 3 years...  grumpy   grumpy 

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: BlueElephant
Posted 2009-09-30 09:25:32 and read 3922 times.



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 14):
Damn, I'll have to support Ferrari for the next 3 years...

Don't you dare take the Madrista's side? (I'm looking at you EZEIZA!!!)

Go Barca!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79063
Interesting to note McLaren coming out quickly to rubbish rumours that Kimi is going to be the second driver in 2010.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-09-30 09:30:14 and read 3922 times.



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 14):
Damn, I'll have to support Ferrari for the next 3 years

hahaha....you poor thing!

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):
Alonso confirmed by Ferrari to replace Kimi.

And Kimi just became even more filthy ritch! Bastard! Big grin

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):
I hope that Lewis and Kimi dominate next year

Before it's official, I will not believe that Kimi will go to Mclaren. Strange things have happened before in this sport.
Well, if he goes back to Mclaren he will still be at a top team, and not doing what D. Hill did.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2009-09-30 09:35:38 and read 3920 times.



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 14):
Damn, I'll have to support Ferrari for the next 3 years...

you'll be a happy person, belive me Big grin

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 15):
Don't you dare take the Madrista's side? (I'm looking at you EZEIZA!!!)

First step Ferrari ... it's only a matter of time before his football tam chamges as well
 cheeky 

Quoting Sudden (Reply 16):
Well, if he goes back to Mclaren he will still be at a top team, and not doing what D. Hill did.

 checkmark   checkmark 

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-09-30 10:12:43 and read 3913 times.



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 15):
Don't you dare take the Madrista's side?



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 17):
it's only a matter of time before his football tam chamges as well

There are two things that will never change: 1) my love for Barça, 2) my hate for Madrid  Wink

Quoting Sudden (Reply 16):
hahaha....you poor thing!

 Big grin

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 17):
you'll be a happy person, belive me

Dunno, I'll just support the driver, not the team.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: T1210s
Posted 2009-09-30 10:44:18 and read 3912 times.

not very happy i cant stand alonso now I'm going to split with who to support massa at Ferrari and kimi at mclaren damn  banghead   scratchchin 

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-09-30 11:00:24 and read 3909 times.



Quoting T1210s (Reply 19):
not very happy i cant stand alonso now I'm going to split with who to support massa at Ferrari and kimi at mclaren damn

I agree with you, but probably for another reason.
Mine would be that I think Massa and Alonso will cause headlines because both of them will be arguing like 2 teenage brats who's having their period for the first time.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-09-30 11:20:50 and read 3905 times.

gee, am I the only one here who like Alonso?!!  Wow!  Wow!

 cry 

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2009-09-30 11:23:50 and read 3902 times.



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 11):
I hope the team gives equal treatment to both drivers,

Is there anyone that thinks for one minute that Alonso would be happy with that?
He will try to force his #1 position likely with a negative outcome, Massa seems much loved at the Scuderia, and it will be 2007 all over again!

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: T1210s
Posted 2009-09-30 11:27:27 and read 3901 times.

also have to factor schumi into the equation who after all retired to save massa

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: LTU932
Posted 2009-09-30 11:29:06 and read 3901 times.

My parents ain't gonna like the fact that Alonso is going to Ferrari.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Aerobalance
Posted 2009-09-30 12:26:49 and read 3886 times.



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 21):
gee, am I the only one here who like Alonso?!

Alonso is a great race driver and fantastic at helping to develop a car, however, his diplomacy skills are lacking.... The combination of Fisi as test driver and Alonso as #1 will draw upon their experiences from their days at Renault as the drivers of the 2005 and 2006 championships seasons. It appears that Massa is not the chosen one for next year.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-09-30 12:43:15 and read 3910 times.



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 22):
and it will be 2007 all over again!


You mean that Massa will not be the faster of the 2 with equal cars!? In 2007 Massa had been with Ferrari for a 1 (or was it 2 even) year(2) but Kimi was still able to beat him.
I hope Ferrari will play it just like they have been doing with Felipe and Kimi. Will probably piss off Alonso after a while. But again, Massa can be a cry baby as well, so it can be very interesting to see what these 2 will be doing.

Quoting T1210s (Reply 23):
also have to factor schumi into the equation who after all retired to save massa

hahahhaa.........That's what Schumi said indeed. You are not telling me that you actually bought that crap? Schumi would never give way for another driver just like that.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 21):
gee, am I the only one here who like Alonso?!

I said it before, I like Alonso a lot as a driver, but he will only be happy at Renault cause there he gets the treatment he wants. It was no coincidence that he went from Mclaren back to Renault again.

On the contrary,
Lewis vs Kimi would be fun to see as Kimi couldn't care less about Lewis.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: T1210s
Posted 2009-09-30 12:48:53 and read 3908 times.



Quoting Sudden (Reply 26):
Quoting T1210s (Reply 23):
also have to factor schumi into the equation who after all retired to save massa

hahahhaa.........That's what Schumi said indeed. You are not telling me that you actually bought that crap? Schumi would never give way for another driver just like that.

true or not he has alot of respect for massa and alot of power at ferrari and he wont let massa stand for any crap from alonso. also i'll guarantee now alonso will only do 1 year at ferrari for the same reasons he left mclaren he's not going to be the out right "no1" driver.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2009-09-30 14:01:39 and read 3898 times.



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 18):
There are two things that will never change: 1) my love for Barça, 2) my hate for Madrid Wink

One didn't need the other ... loving Barca = hating Madrid, ande vice-versa Big grin

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 18):
Dunno, I'll just support the driver, not the team.

Then try to watch the races on Spanish tv .. they tend to make the viewer believe that Alonso doesn't win because the rest didn't allow him too (in fact, it's Spanish press that made me not like Alonso at first, then all the crying started, but the press was just too biased).

Quoting Sudden (Reply 20):
Mine would be that I think Massa and Alonso will cause headlines because both of them will be arguing like 2 teenage brats who's having their period for the first time.

Alonso has proven to be a crybaby throughout his career .... I hope this changes, and the team won't give any priorities, Having said that, I can unfortunately see one of the two crying on front of the press because one of their pit stops was 0.000001 seconds slower than the teammate.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 21):
gee, am I the only one here who like Alonso?!! Wow!

As a driver, I think no one can deny he is very good, arguably the best at present, but as a package, yes, you are one of the few  Wink
His constant crying, his involvment in dodgy stuff ... dunno, but he'll have to do a hell of a season (both on and off the track) for me to like him. But I am a Ferrari fan and the team is above any driver, so I am forced to support him (and Massa, of course).

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 22):
Is there anyone that thinks for one minute that Alonso would be happy with that?
He will try to force his #1 position likely with a negative outcome, Massa seems much loved at the Scuderia, and it will be 2007 all over again!

I really hope you are wrong, but I am afraid you will be right.

However, I'm not so sure Ferrari will tolerate such childish behaviour in the team. If 2007 will happen, they will act on it.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: ScrubbsYWG
Posted 2009-09-30 21:39:05 and read 3879 times.

oh boy, i dont know what to think.

For some reason, i never thought alonso would join ferrari until 2011. I did not think ferrari would get rid of kimi or massa before their contracts were up.

I am saddened. i am a kimi and ferrari fan(although i was somewhat of a mclaren fan before that). I like kimi a lot. i think he gets a bum rap for apparently not being 'motivated' because he doesnt talk a lot. I think a lot of it is the media just not liking that he isn't personable. I think kimi is one of the best drivers on the grid. and all the talk of him being uninterested is people speculating. I think if mclaren didnt have the reliability issues often associated with the newey designed cars he would be a multiple world champion by now.

However, i have always said alonso is one of the best drivers on the grid, if not the best. It is just a shame when we have a top driver in a mediocre car. He got two wins in a car last year that was top mid field.you cannot deny alonso is a complete racer. I think he will do well at ferrari. when ferrari signed massa i wondered what they were thinking. he never impressed me before that, but i must say that since then he really has turned into a great driver. pair them together and i think they have an impressively strong line up

But, if kimi does indeed go back to mclaren, holy crap. That team i think will be a powerhouse. I may not be a lewis fan, but his skills, while not mature, are undeniable. Partner that with kimi who can be the best of the best and they will have the best driver line up on the grid. Assuming the powerhouses of mclaren and ferrari produce good cars next year, and red bull and brawn continue their success we could have an amazing amazing year. Can you imagine? Can we just give brawn the two titles now and start 2010 tomorrow?

I can't wait. I do hope kimi goes to mclaren. I hope he doesnt retire.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Bill142
Posted 2009-09-30 22:38:37 and read 3873 times.



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 21):
gee, am I the only one here who like Alonso?!!

I liked Alonso when he was in a Minardi and when he was at McLaren.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 28):

I really hope you are wrong, but I am afraid you will be right.

However, I'm not so sure Ferrari will tolerate such childish behaviour in the team. If 2007 will happen, they will act on it.

With any luck Alonso learnt a valuable lesson from the experience at McLaren. It probably didn't help that Lewis was Rons prodigy. If Alonso were to go to McLaren now I think things would be different.

Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 29):
But, if kimi does indeed go back to mclaren, holy crap.

I don't think it will happen. I wouldn't be surprised to see Glock or Sutil wind up in the second seat at McLaren. They need someone who can provide good support for Lewis.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2009-09-30 22:58:42 and read 3868 times.



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
Williams:
Barrichello
Hulkenburg

 Sad

I'd much rather have Rosberg and Hulkenberg. Shame Sir Frank couldn't persuade him to stay at Williams. Rosberg is a future star, while Barrichello is but a quick, decent driver who might win the occasional race, not championship material and certainly not a long term prospect. I think Williams will have made the wrong driver choice.

I have nothing against Barrichello as a driver. He's pretty good, but he's not the man to lead Williams onwards to their next title. I think we needed someone there for the long run, an up and coming star.

As an aside, if Williams had the money to buy anyone out of their contract, I'd love to see Vettel there  Smile

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2009-09-30 23:09:14 and read 3864 times.



Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 29):
But, if kimi does indeed go back to mclaren, holy crap. That team i think will be a powerhouse.

I agree. Two world champions in the same team. I hope it doesn't become another Senna v Prost or Hamilton v Alonso saga, and that these two undeniably brilliant drivers will do what they do best: racing.

I'll forever be a Williams fan first, but Raikkonen and Hamilton are my top two favourite current drivers  Smile I was disappointed when Raikkonen first went to Ferrari. He looks much better in silver than in red  Smile

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Bill142
Posted 2009-09-30 23:17:38 and read 3857 times.

According to this article which is more about MotoGP, Marlboro had to allow Raikkonen to be released from his contract.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/mot...port/2009/10/01/1253989991847.html

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2009-09-30 23:27:46 and read 3855 times.



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 33):
Marlboro had to allow Raikkonen to be released from his contract.

Interesting article, even more interesting is how much influence Marlboro wield in two sports that do not allow tobacco advertising.
Not sure who is fooled by the "barcode" logos... pretty cynical exploitation of the rules IMO.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Springbok747
Posted 2009-10-01 02:11:35 and read 3834 times.



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 34):
Not sure who is fooled by the "barcode" logos... pretty cynical exploitation of the rules IMO.

Yeah. But actually, you can't blame them. There is no reference to tobacco or cigarettes anywhere..and the team are referred to as 'Scuderia Ferrari'. I remember a few years ago they were 'Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro'.

Not happy that Alonso is going to Ferrari. No doubt he'll start bitching and moaning about Massa and 'unequal' treatment. I wonder how he will react when Massa (back from his horrific injuries) starts winning races, I highly doubt he'll stay for more than one season at Ferrari.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-01 02:18:08 and read 3835 times.

Kimi and Hammy both racing for McLaren will be quite interesting.

Hammy is young and energetic and motivated, all chances are that he will do a better 2010 season than Kimi. The competition between the two will be very good for him and will motivate him even more. Nico may have been more of a challenge for Hammy than Kimi if he had taken the second seat.

Back to topic, I really look forward to the Japanese Grand Prix!

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Waterpolodan
Posted 2009-10-01 03:08:15 and read 3828 times.



Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 29):
He got two wins in a car last year that was top mid field

Well, now we know we can't really give Alonso credit for one of those wins, all thanks for that go to Briatore's "plan".

Quoting Sudden (Reply 26):

You mean that Massa will not be the faster of the 2 with equal cars!? In 2007 Massa had been with Ferrari for a 1 (or was it 2 even) year(2) but Kimi was still able to beat him.

Don't hate on Massa, he was in his 2nd year with Ferrari and did out-qualify Kimi on the season 9-8. Sure he made a few mistakes, but he definitely had inferior luck compared to Kimi that season and was definitely not soundly beaten by Kimi. Their 2nd year together, Massa out-qualified him 12 times in 18 races, and outperformed him in the majority of the races as well. I know Kimi is a great driver and a consistent one, but I think Massa is a quicker driver and now that he's matured, IMO he's a better overall package and Ferrari agree with me because he's still with the team.

I stopped liking Alonso the second he started beating Schumacher's Ferrari, but now that he is joining the Scuderia I'm pretty excited as I think the red cars will have far and away the best driver pairing on the grid. I rate Hamilton as Alonso's equal as best driver on the grid, but like I said above I think Massa is right there with them and above Kimi in the pecking order so Ferrari may well find themselves in a 2007 Mclaren situation with 2 equally brilliant drivers with fiery personalities fighting for control of the team. I tend to think the team will side with Massa as they know him and love him, but we shall see.

As for Barichello moving to Williams, that would be a shame to see him leave Brawn, and IMO a mistake by the BGP team as Rubens has been excellent for them this year and really ever since he joined Honda a few seasons ago. He is fighting for the title this year and consistently outperforming his soon-to-be-champion team mate in the 2nd half of this season, and he is a proven development driver. I guess Rosberg would be interesting, but I'd rather see Rubens stay in a race-winning car and I don't think Williams will make that leap next season.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-01 06:41:42 and read 3805 times.



Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 37):
Don't hate on Massa

No worries there. I can though sometime feel that he's overrated. He sure is good (otherwise he wouldn't drive for Ferrari).
Just as you wrote, he has matured very much, but I still think he can be a cry baby, and if Alonso would start his wining, Massa might not be far behind with the wining.

And as I said before, will Massa be back to his old form anyway? Ferrari most likely know far more then me, but I still feel that they are venturing out on deep water now.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-10-01 06:57:09 and read 3801 times.



Quoting Sudden (Reply 38):
Just as you wrote, he has matured very much, but I still think he can be a cry baby, and if Alonso would start his wining, Massa might not be far behind with the wining.

THANK YOU!!!! At least I'm not the only one thinking that Massa is cry-baby!! Alghouth I have to say he improved lately.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-01 07:09:12 and read 3799 times.



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 39):
THANK YOU!!!!

Thank you!? You paid me to write that. Big grin

Serious though, I have always felt that Massa likes to be the victime, but I hope that he has grown out of it.
We have never seen it with Kimi as his team mate, cause Kimi does was he is paid to do, drive.
He better be with his salary.  Wink

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: BlueElephant
Posted 2009-10-01 07:30:51 and read 3797 times.



Quoting Sudden (Reply 26):
but he will only be happy at Renault cause there he gets the treatment he wants

Briatore's gone...don't know if he'd still get that.

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 37):
Don't hate on Massa

I'm not a fan of Ferrari as a team, but I respect Massa a lot. Just like Grahamhill is thinking of cheering on Alonso because of the driver and not the team aspect, I too (being a huge McLaren fan) would be ok with Massa winning races.

Quoting Sudden (Reply 38):
And as I said before, will Massa be back to his old form anyway? Ferrari most likely know far more then me, but I still feel that they are venturing out on deep water now.

I agree that he's matured a lot. Something tells me his decision to come back to a sport after his accident is more of a "all or nothing deal"...I think he's going to come back and be stronger and more focused then ever. I think thats what he wants to prove, that you come back and drive like a world champion...for more then about 15 seconds :-P

On the topic of Kimi....
It is interesting to note that McLaren have come out calming Kimi rumours and Kimi has come out saying he might quit F1 all together.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79082

I agree that Kimi and Lewis at McLaren would be fantastic...assuming Kimi actually cared about winning/driving. But I would MUCH rather see Nico Rosberg or Adrian Sutil in the car. Glock is decent but he irks me a bit for some reason. I think giving Nico or Adrian a chance in a silver bullet would be fantastic. And I think they would do REALLY well--and they both drive under the German Flag.

But Speed has been sitting here saying Mercedes wants a german in a Mercedes powered car....I feel bad for Adrian Sutil...please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Force India MERCEDES a Mercedes powered car?...and isn't Adrian Sutil German? What am I missing that Speed TV doesn't understand.

And another interesting topic...in today's press conference, Adrian Sutil said he might go back to GP2 with a top team?

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Codeshare
Posted 2009-10-01 08:46:39 and read 3782 times.

Now why is everyone pushing Kubica to Renault ? Id rather see him in McLaren or Brawn. Lewis or Jenson wouldnt mind. Im not sure about Williams, neither one of the new teams. I think he deserves to race for a company that thinks about the future, and not about 3 year plans to a championship and coward out of the sport (take a wild guess who  Yeah sure ).

KS/codeshare

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: BlueElephant
Posted 2009-10-01 08:55:16 and read 3780 times.

Oh, and to those who need a refresher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRe-8jKCsvc
A lap around Suzuka with some bloke named Michael  Wink

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2009-10-01 09:04:32 and read 3775 times.



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 39):
THANK YOU!!!! At least I'm not the only one thinking that Massa is cry-baby!! Alghouth I have to say he improved lately.

To be honest they are both cry babies, and both have improved. But In the cry baby ranking, no one beats Alonso's 2007 tears.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-10-01 10:42:37 and read 3763 times.



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 44):
But In the cry baby ranking, no one beats Alonso's 2007 tears.

Well, he came to McLaren thinking he would be the #1 driver (which is logical, considering he was the reigning two times world champion and Hamilton was a beginner). He felt some lack of support and to be honest, I still believe that Ron Dennis did not manage well 1) the status of both drivers (who is clearly #1 and who is clearly #2) and 2) the tensions that were arising little by little between the two drivers. At the end, Dennis lost the WDC because of that.

Alonso rightly thought that his double world champion status would make him the number one driver, especially when his teammate was a newbie. So in a way, I understand his complaints.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-01 13:04:15 and read 3748 times.



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 45):
So in a way, I understand his complaints.

The Mclaren management also came out saying that they should have listened more to Alonso while he was driving for them, but didn't, and due to this they lost it.
Good by Mclaren to come out saying this, me think.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2009-10-01 20:05:14 and read 3722 times.



Quoting Sudden (Reply 40):
Serious though, I have always felt that Massa likes to be the victime,

I felt that as well but had been thinking he had grown out of it... seems not-

Quoting Autosport:
Massa: Piquet crash robbed me of title


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79108

Seems the needling and whining may have started earlier than we expected.

Seriously Felipe, you can blame Nelsinho, Alonso and Renault all you like but if your pit stop in Singapore had not been FUBAR then you would* be WDC right now.

Cheers

*Most likely

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Tiger119
Posted 2009-10-01 23:01:53 and read 3717 times.



Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
First practice: 1000-1130 (0200-0330 BST)
Second practice: 1400-1530 (0600-0730 BST)

- It is currently 02:00 (well, a few ticks shy) here EDT (same as New York City) and SpeedTV is showing Formula One (I assume practice). They were talking about the wet and practice earlier. Occassionally they will have "LIVE" on the top left hand corner. Now, if someone could do me a favor of translating the time to tell me if this coverage is live or not? Should I just go to one of the many Formula One-based websites and see what the results of this practice session is? Thanks in advance,

David

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-01 23:11:47 and read 3715 times.



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 47):
Seems the needling and whining may have started earlier than we expected.

Oh my, this was a year ago and now he starts to complain!? With the Renault crashgate Massa found a way to cover up his OWN major screw up in the pit. What a poor attempt.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Bill142
Posted 2009-10-01 23:30:52 and read 3713 times.



Quoting Codeshare (Reply 42):
Now why is everyone pushing Kubica to Renault ?

Rumour has it that all has been agreed to with Renault and he has to sign on the line. Crashgate merely delayed that. But new reports have him joining Toyota, which makes sense given they haven't exercised their option on Glock. Which in my opinion is silly as Trulli is nothing more then a moving road block these days.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79109

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 47):

Seriously Felipe, you can blame Nelsinho, Alonso and Renault all you like but if your pit stop in Singapore had not been FUBAR then you would* be WDC right now.

Don't forget his cockup in Japan.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2009-10-02 00:14:26 and read 3702 times.



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 50):
Don't forget his cockup in Japan.

That would be cockups
Massa tends to forget that if he/team messed up one less pitstop during the year the Singapore result would not matter.
But then if Massa was penalised for just some(or just one more) of his indiscretions in Japan 08 he would not have been able to reach Hamilton in Brazil anyway

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Bill142
Posted 2009-10-02 02:06:40 and read 3687 times.



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 51):
That would be cockups
Massa tends to forget that if he/team messed up one less pitstop during the year the Singapore result would not matter.
But then if Massa was penalised for just some(or just one more) of his indiscretions in Japan 08 he would not have been able to reach Hamilton in Brazil anyway

What he also doesn't seem to realise is that if Alonso were stripped of his win, he would still have lost the championship. He seems to be brining in what if scenarios to try and convince himself that he should be champion.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-10-02 02:15:44 and read 3686 times.



Quoting Sudden (Reply 49):
Oh my, this was a year ago and now he starts to complain!? With the Renault crashgate Massa found a way to cover up his OWN major screw up in the pit. What a poor attempt.

There you go. And I said he improved, but apparently not... Seriously, do you think he is less a cry-baby than Alonso? I don't think so. Alonso is far far behind this man  Yeah sure

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 52):
What he also doesn't seem to realise is that if Alonso were stripped of his win, he would still have lost the championship. He seems to be brining in what if scenarios to try and convince himself that he should be champion.

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2009-10-02 03:47:56 and read 3675 times.



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 45):
Alonso rightly thought that his double world champion status would make him the number one driver, especially when his teammate was a newbie. So in a way, I understand his complaints.

Fair enough, but once he realized managment did not handle the situation properly did he have to cry in front of everyone every day?

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 53):
Seriously, do you think he is less a cry-baby than Alonso? I don't think so. Alonso is far far behind this man

Alonso is still number 1, he cried an entire season. If by October 2010 Massa is still claiming this, then and only then will Alonso be downgraded in the cb ranking

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-02 03:50:03 and read 3675 times.

I am really mixed up with the live timings of the Japanese GP in my time zone.
I must re-think it so I don't miss out. I am not sure how many channels will webcast the Suzuka on the Internet.

Go Hammy Go!!!

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-10-02 04:07:34 and read 3670 times.



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 54):
Fair enough, but once he realized managment did not handle the situation properly did he have to cry in front of everyone every day?

First it was not "every day" and second you should ask the question directly to him Big grin

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 54):
Alonso is still number 1, he cried an entire season. If by October 2010 Massa is still claiming this, then and only then will Alonso be downgraded in the cb ranking

I guess I'll never agree with you, so I'll end this discussion here  Wink

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: BlueElephant
Posted 2009-10-02 04:41:52 and read 3662 times.



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 48):
- It is currently 02:00 (well, a few ticks shy) here EDT (same as New York City) and SpeedTV is showing Formula One (I assume practice). They were talking about the wet and practice earlier. Occassionally they will have "LIVE" on the top left hand corner. Now, if someone could do me a favor of translating the time to tell me if this coverage is live or not? Should I just go to one of the many Formula One-based websites and see what the results of this practice session is? Thanks in advance,

It would have been Live--Speed does provide live broadcasts, as this is in Japan we're looking at roughly 13 hour time differential. So what you were watching last night is Practice 2.

Qualifying will be tonight at 1am EST, and the race starts the same time tomorrow night.

Qualifying is always taped delayed, so its hard to follow with live timing on F1's website.

The Race will be live. For Japan anything you see in the middle of the afternoon will be a replay.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Scbriml
Posted 2009-10-02 04:46:44 and read 3661 times.



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 55):
I am really mixed up with the live timings of the Japanese GP in my time zone.

Times as per BBC's website:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...t/formula_one/calendar/default.stm

(all times UK, so add one hour for Europe)

Saturday
3rd practice 03:00 - 04:00
Qualifying 06:00 - 07:00

Sunday
Race starts 06:00

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-02 04:53:28 and read 3659 times.



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 58):

Thank you very much for this.  yes 
I don't want to miss out so it is really helpful.  cheerful 

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2009-10-02 06:16:42 and read 3653 times.



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 56):
First it was not "every day" and second you should ask the question directly to him Big grin

wait, you are saying you are not Fernando Alonso? Big grin

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 56):
I guess I'll never agree with you, so I'll end this discussion here

no discussion, just debate  Smile
and luckily, next season we will be both supporting the same guy Big grin

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 58):
Saturday
3rd practice 03:00 - 04:00
Qualifying 06:00 - 07:00

Sunday
Race starts 06:00

so the race is at 2 am in Argentina ... perfect saturday night for me!

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-02 06:55:13 and read 3646 times.



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 56):
I guess I'll never agree with you, so I'll end this discussion here

You could always agree to disagree.
I do actually agree with you, and I stick with my opinion about Massa being a big child. He's fast alright, but if one thing doesn't go his way, he's racing at the back of the field.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-10-02 07:29:38 and read 3643 times.



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 60):
wait, you are saying you are not Fernando Alonso?

I wish!

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 60):
no discussion, just debate
and luckily, next season we will be both supporting the same guy

Yes, but sterile debate  Wink so I'm out.

And yes, I'll keep on supporting Alonso next year.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Codeshare
Posted 2009-10-02 12:50:31 and read 3619 times.

Rumour has it Kubica or Kimi to Toyota, interesting line-up, but let's not forget Glock. However during the season there were a few mistakes made during the races, and something like "we don't know how the car behaves"....

KS/codeshare

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Tiger119
Posted 2009-10-02 21:40:27 and read 3594 times.



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 57):
Qualifying will be tonight at 1am EST, and the race starts the same time tomorrow night.

Qualifying is always taped delayed, so its hard to follow with live timing on F1's website.

- So will qualifying that starts in 20 minutes be taped delayed? SpeedTV is broadcasted a taped program about Formula One so maybe they will show it live! At least I will be able to watch the race live Sunday morning (or at least I hope I can stay awake!).

David

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Andz
Posted 2009-10-02 22:34:33 and read 3593 times.

Qualifying is live here and session 2 has just been red flagged due to Alguersari destroying his car in a high speed head on with the tyre wall. He is okay.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: BlueElephant
Posted 2009-10-02 22:37:28 and read 3592 times.

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 64):

Speed TV is showing everything live, its just delayed by about 5-10 minutes.

The Race is live tomorrow morning, with ZERO tape delay.

[Edited 2009-10-02 22:40:09]

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: BlueElephant
Posted 2009-10-02 22:44:23 and read 3587 times.

Another Red Flag, this time its Timo Glock into the wall...He also looks to be ok.

Some high speed accidents this morning...Webber in the morning, and Alguesari and Glock this afternoon.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Andz
Posted 2009-10-02 22:47:42 and read 3588 times.



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 66):
Speed TV is showing everything live, its just delayed by about 5-10 minutes.

If it is delayed by one minute it's not live. Why the delay anyway?

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: BlueElephant
Posted 2009-10-02 22:51:50 and read 3583 times.



Quoting Andz (Reply 68):
If it is delayed by one minute it's not live. Why the delay anyway?

I'm not sure actually...Speed happens to play out Qualifying over 1.5 hours, when in reality Qualifying is actually 1 hour in total time. they have to have enough commercials etc.

I wonder if Timo Glock is ok....It's been a long red flag.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-02 22:56:36 and read 3582 times.

Are Qualifyings done with? The heck I missed it!!!! This time lag with the race in Japan really confuses me!!! It is barely 8.00 AM here. I was up at 7.00 but forgot!!! I better NOT miss the race!!

If anybody gets them please post the results. Meanwhile I am going to look and see if they are finished or not.

Go Hammy Go!!!  airplane   angel   airplane 

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Signol
Posted 2009-10-02 22:57:13 and read 3582 times.



Quoting Andz (Reply 68):
Why the delay anyway?

So they can bleep out any swearing? Not that it's likely in the sport, but if they happen to be broadcasting driver radio comms when he hits the tyre wall... "Oh f***"  Wink

Looks like both drivers are ok, if shaken up - speedy recoveries to them.

signol

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-02 23:02:18 and read 3583 times.

Ok I have the live feed from a Japanese cast with comments in Portuguese, they talk more about Rio winning the Olympics than aboutu the drivers on the race track. The commentator is a Alonso freak.  Embarrassment

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Andz
Posted 2009-10-02 23:14:14 and read 3579 times.



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 70):
Are Qualifyings done with?

Not yet, but they are running late with 2 red flags and now another crash right at the end of session 2.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 72):
The commentator is a Alonso freak

Alonso will start 12th.

Just heard that Glock is being airlifted to hospital with an injured left leg.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-02 23:18:02 and read 3571 times.

Suzuka is not an easy track. Sorry for Timo I hope he is OK. Heikki just hit the wall really hard. I hope he is OK too.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Andz
Posted 2009-10-02 23:18:23 and read 3572 times.

Now Kovalainen has crashed in Q3 and another red flag.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: BlueElephant
Posted 2009-10-02 23:19:47 and read 3578 times.

and there goes Heikki, Red Flag #3...

Heikki is ok, but this leaves a very interesting Q3....if this is any indication of things to come,

Tomorrow could be a long, crazy race.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-02 23:21:26 and read 3575 times.

PA said Heikki is fine after his crash. This is what counts the most.
Glock has a leg injury. 1 minute to go.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Cpd
Posted 2009-10-02 23:22:39 and read 3573 times.



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 11):
Rubens, stay at Brawn!

Don't go to Williams.. They'll never win a race.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 31):
while Barrichello is but a quick, decent driver who might win the occasional race, not championship material and certainly not a long term prospect

On the flip side, Williams appears to be a formerly quick team that might come close to getting a podium position here and there, but they are not championship material, and certainly not a long term prospect.

Rubens will be better off staying where he is, putting laps on the Williams cars every race, and giving Jenson a hard time.  Smile

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-02 23:23:58 and read 3575 times.

6 minutes not 1. Hard to understand Portuguese some times.
So far Hammy is in second place. Hope he can be in pole. We shall see.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Andz
Posted 2009-10-02 23:30:57 and read 3568 times.

Vettel, Trulli, Hamilton, Sutil, Barichello, Heudfeld, Button, Raikkonen

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-02 23:36:01 and read 3564 times.

1 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
2 Italy J Trulli Toyota
3 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren

I feel it is going to be a great race tomorrow.

One McLaren is out. Too bad for Haikki. I hope Glock is OK. I believe Hammy can win. Kimi and Button ditd well but they will be starting in the back. OK. Happy I could catch 2 and 3 Q live today.

I shall be up most early tomorrow.
The commentator was from Globo in Brazil it explains why he kept talking about Rio ciudad meravilhosa and the Olympic win.

Go Hammy Go!! Good one for a First at Suzuka!!  airplane   airplane   cheerful   airplane   airplane 

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Bill142
Posted 2009-10-02 23:47:22 and read 3557 times.

Fairly wild qualifying session with quite a few not being able to keep it on the track. Should make for an interesting race with Button being behind his two championship rivals, and the one who is furthest behind in the race, being on pole. I don't think Button will wrap it up here as he needs to get five points on Barrichello and has a lot of work to do to get those points. And Vettel is looking good for a decent points haul, so long as he doesn't make some of the same mistakes he made a week a go in Singapore.

Quoting Cpd (Reply 78):
On the flip side, Williams appears to be a formerly quick team that might come close to getting a podium position here and there, but they are not championship material, and certainly not a long term prospect.

Williams should have let BMW buy into their team instead of pushing them away. They were on a good thing with BMW, but the old garageist mentality in the era of manufacturer teams was never going to work in their favour.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Tiger119
Posted 2009-10-02 23:52:12 and read 3555 times.



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 69):
...Speed happens to play out Qualifying over 1.5 hours, when in reality Qualifying is actually 1 hour in total time. they have to have enough commercials etc.

- Now that you mention that, SpeedTV has been doing that all year long.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 81):
2 Italy J Trulli Toyota

- I bet there will be a lot of fan support for the Toyota team. Good luck to the team.

- I do not remember a qualifying session with so many crashes, five of them I think along with the three red flags. I hope Timo is alright along with the other drivers involved in crashes.

- What will Team Red Bull do with the other car that was crashed earlier? Put it back together and start from the pit lane?

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2009-10-02 23:56:32 and read 3555 times.



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 82):
Williams should have let BMW buy into their team instead of pushing them away. They were on a good thing with BMW, but the old garageist mentality in the era of manufacturer teams was never going to work in their favour.

Don't think Frank is that silly, seems he made the right choice.
Doesn't matter whether BMW had bought into Sauber or Williams, the same bean counter or marketing flunky would have made the same decisions and pulled out as they did.. then where would Frank be?

He might be the last of the true garagistas but at least he is still around.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-03 00:04:25 and read 3544 times.



Quoting Codeshare (Reply 63):
to Toyota, interesting line-up

I really don't think this will happen as Kimi has said that he is only interested in a top team. Toyota is kind of rest of the best, now and then.

Fisi is not really better then Badoer if you ask me, and his comments later on just sounded stupid.

Anyway, this qualifying was the most exiting race of the season so far.  Wink

Apparently a Spanish newspaper has already ranked Alonso as the 2010 WDC holder. Rather optimistic, to say the least.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Cpd
Posted 2009-10-03 00:05:32 and read 3546 times.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 84):

He might be the last of the true garagistas but at least he is still around.

Absolutely right.  

And where is Peter Sauber these days? The man of the legendary team that dominated sports-car racing with those thundering twin-turbo V8 C9s and C11s? Caught up the vicious world of corporate BMW politics.   He even sold his #62 C9 to Tasmanian car collector (and part time airline mogul) Rob Sherrard.

I'd like to see that name Sauber be great again. Perhaps with silver cars and a Mercedes Benz 3 pointed star on the nose of the car.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 82):

Williams should have let BMW buy into their team instead of pushing them away. They were on a good thing with BMW, but the old garageist mentality in the era of manufacturer teams was never going to work in their favour.

Frank Williams, ever the wise-old-one dodged a very deadly bullet by not getting too involved with BMW.

Er, also, can someone enlighten me as to what happened in qualifying? I missed it - but it seems like there was some sort of chaos. I only caught the closing remarks on channel 10, and the last bit of Vettel's conference.

[Edited 2009-10-03 00:06:52]

[Edited 2009-10-03 00:30:48]

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2009-10-03 00:24:42 and read 3534 times.



Quoting Cpd (Reply 86):
can someone enlighten me as to what happened in qualifying?

You didn't miss much...NOT

No Webber, multiple red flags, lots of interupted laps

This probably sums it up better than I could write...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79164

Cheers

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Codeshare
Posted 2009-10-03 00:55:20 and read 3524 times.

Sure thing is Lewis will use the KERS button at the start. We'll see the weights listed, but I think Vettel was running lighter then Brawns and McLarens.

KS/codeshare

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2009-10-03 03:29:50 and read 3500 times.

From Autosport's Jonathan Noble-
"Five place grid penalties for Button, Barrichello, Alonso, Sutil and Buemi (who also gets a reprimand)"

Seems the officials felt the first 4 had not lifted enough in a yellow flag situation, have to say I can't argue with that position.

Buemi was penalised for driving a damaged car back to the pits

[Edited 2009-10-03 03:35:57]

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-03 04:15:32 and read 3489 times.

Hammy and Vettel are the future of F1.
Forget Alonso and Kimi.
For the World Title this year I would prefer to see Rubens rather than Button.
We will find out soon enough.  goldmedal 

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Codeshare
Posted 2009-10-03 04:44:08 and read 3482 times.

I'd like to see Jenson win it, but wouldn't mind Rubens also. Vettel can wait.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 89):
From Autosport's Jonathan Noble-
"Five place grid penalties for Button, Barrichello, Alonso, Sutil and Buemi (who also gets a reprimand)"

Seems the officials felt the first 4 had not lifted enough in a yellow flag situation, have to say I can't argue with that position.

Right decision, Alonso can feel justice has been done LOL.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 89):
Buemi was penalised for driving a damaged car back to the pits

Where's Nelsinho...

That is good news for those that were unlucky in Q2 namely Kubica and Kimi. Also makes the title race even more exciting.

KS/codeshare

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Codeshare
Posted 2009-10-03 04:48:45 and read 3481 times.

Here are the numbers: (from f1.com)

1. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 658.5kg
2. Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 655.5
3. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 656
4. Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber, 660
5. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 661
6. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 675
7. Nico Rosberg, Williams, 684.5
8. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber, 686
9. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 650
10. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn GP, 660.5
11. Jaime Alguersuari, Toro Rosso, 682.5
12. Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 658.5
13. Giancarlo Fisichella, Ferrari, 661.5
14. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 665.4
15. Kazuki Nakajima, Williams, 695.7
16. Romain Grosjean, Renault, 691.8
17. Fernando Alonso, Renault, 689.5
18. Vitantonio Liuzzi, Force India, 682.5
19. Timo Glock, Toyota, n/a
20. Mark Webber, Red Bull, n/a

Look like Heikki, Rosberg and Kubica could finish in the points. Alonso and Grosjean super heavy. Heidelf could have a podium finish. Kind of a bad situation for the Brawns - light and in the back so they must have a good start and gain a few positions.

I think we could se an accident or two in the race, especially in that turn 8/9 area.

KS/codeshare

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2009-10-03 06:46:05 and read 3465 times.



Quoting Sudden (Reply 85):
Apparently a Spanish newspaper has already ranked Alonso as the 2010 WDC holder. Rather optimistic, to say the least.

.. and that's when I started disliking Alonso. I know it's not his fault that the press is like this, but the commentators in Spain were unbearably pro Alonso. Until Alonso showed up, no spanish tv even showed F1, and suddenly it was full of "experts".

from what I read it's been one hell of a quali! Too bad I missed it, but it should be a great race tomorrow!

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2009-10-03 07:58:40 and read 3448 times.



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 82):
Williams should have let BMW buy into their team instead of pushing them away. They were on a good thing with BMW, but the old garageist mentality in the era of manufacturer teams was never going to work in their favour.

No way. BMW were ever going to be in F1 if it suits them. As it stands, they're pulling out of F1 at the end of the year, and I for one am glad that Williams aren't dragged along with them. Williams are one of the few teams on the grid that can truly say that they are in F1 because of a passion for racing, rather than a desire to market their brand.

Quoting Cpd (Reply 78):
On the flip side, Williams appears to be a formerly quick team that might come close to getting a podium position here and there, but they are not championship material, and certainly not a long term prospect.

That is true. If I were Rubens (rather than someone blinded by Williams fanaticism  Wink), nearing the end of my career, I wouldn't want to move from a championship-contending team to one that'll be upper midfield at best.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-03 08:30:30 and read 3447 times.



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 89):
"Five place grid penalties for Button, Barrichello, Alonso, Sutil and Buemi (who also gets a reprimand)"

Well done to the stewards for this. Will be interesting to see what Alonso will say about this.

Quoting Codeshare (Reply 92):
Look like Heikki, Rosberg and Kubica could finish in the points

Seriously, Heikki didn't earn this position, and now when he has a golden chance to do something good, he will most likely screw it up, again.
Yeah, I'm very negative towards Heikki, cause I don't find that he belong in a top team.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Codeshare
Posted 2009-10-03 08:39:00 and read 3441 times.

Did I write Heikki, oh yes, I made a mistake, he was in Q3 after all. He wasn't the best in Renault also, so maybe Toyota for him?

KS/codeshare

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Bill142
Posted 2009-10-03 18:26:38 and read 3392 times.



Quoting Codeshare (Reply 96):
Did I write Heikki, oh yes, I made a mistake, he was in Q3 after all. He wasn't the best in Renault also, so maybe Toyota for him?

Doubt it will be Toyota for Heikki. They're looking at a "top line" driver pairing for next season. They'll probably offer big money to Raikkonen and Kubica. I think Heikki will end up at one of the new teams coming in.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Bill142
Posted 2009-10-03 18:40:29 and read 3393 times.

Glock is out of the race with an injured leg sustained in yesterdays crash.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79222

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-03 21:08:19 and read 3385 times.

knock knock... who's there? I am on Rai Uno live from Suzuka half asleep... p2p Livecast is excellent I hope it will not break down all through the race. No Kobayashi driving the Toyota. Glock cannot race because of a leg cut.

Go Hammy!!! Go!!!!  airplane   angel   airplane 

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2009-10-03 21:36:01 and read 3379 times.

Im perfectly awake ... 1.33 am at the moment. Perfect race night for me Big grin

I'd love to have Raiuno, but here in Argentina we only get Rai international and they don't show F1 abroad, so I have to stick to Fox sports, but I would really like to have the Italian commentators

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-03 21:48:46 and read 3380 times.



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 100):

Good morning EZEIZA, it is 6.45 here now, still dark I just saw a cruise ship heading into Monaco harbour, they are a ibt early.
The link for p2p to RAI UNO
http://www.rojadirecta.com/freedocast/5316427A31DA213B109A
Jean Alesi is one of the commentators. It is a good livecast. I hope it will be good like this through the whole race. P2P can be very uncertain. Back to the race now with the starting grid. They will launch soon. Looks like hard tyres for everybody.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2009-10-03 21:51:47 and read 3380 times.

Good morning to you too Madame C  Smile

Thanks for the link. I know rojadirecta, but as you say it's not that reliable, and quite honestly I prefer to be lying down on the sofa watching the race on my 29 inch TV rather than on the small internet feed Big grin

Quick question; is Alesi a usual commentator for Rai or is it just this race?

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Andz
Posted 2009-10-03 21:55:33 and read 3377 times.

We have the live coverage with the British commentators, and unlike the service in the UK (I believe) we have no commercial breaks!

[Edited 2009-10-03 21:56:06]

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-03 21:55:45 and read 3375 times.



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 102):
Quick question; is Alesi a usual commentator for Rai or is it just this race?

I totally depend on P2P as I have no TV. Looks like this feed is excellent. Hope it will be like this all the while during the whole race. Alesi? I have seen him on RAI Uno before. He speaks almost perfect Italian with a French accent. OK back to the race they are about to go!
This is going to be an exciting race. Wish I could be there!!! Suzuka is good fun and Taku will be there I am sure, with all his fan club which I am a part of.
Go Hammy!!!!

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Bill142
Posted 2009-10-03 22:03:26 and read 3370 times.



Quoting Andz (Reply 103):
We have the live coverage with the British commentators, and unlike the service in the UK (I believe) we have no commercial breaks!

BBC donr have commercail breaks. its stupid here they cut mid sentence to a commercail break as we get the bbc feed.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-03 22:03:30 and read 3370 times.

Lewis Hamilton on BBC One: "I have a pretty good starting spot here, there is a lot of drag down to the first corner, we have a lot of road to get up to top speed and get the Kers going. I have been watching replays of other previous starts here and the outside doesn't look like the place to be, it is definitely the inside for me, although that will of course depend on where everyone else goes."

Go Hammy!!!

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-03 22:06:43 and read 3369 times.

Genius start by Hammy passing Trulli. I wonder if he is heavy or light and what lap he will refuel if him or Vettel will do the first pit stop?

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2009-10-03 22:07:14 and read 3371 times.



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 99):
No Kobayashi driving the Toyota.

What short sighted dickhead let that wonderful opportunity slip by... a Japanese driver getting a surprise chance to race a "Japanese" car in the Japanase Grand Prix.. the stuff promoters and marketing people dream about.

Quoting Autosport:
The team confirmed that it had applied for permission for reserve driver Kamui Kobayashi to race, after the Japanese rookie had stood in for Glock during Friday practice when the German had a cold. But Toyota's application was rejected by race stewards due to a regulation which states that a driver must participate in at least one practice session on the second day of the event.

Emphasis is mine.. they lied. there is no such regulation.
Certainly the stewards must consider force majeure to allow such a change but there is no regulation saying it can't be done!

I am first to say that he might have been in the way but the reasons for not allowing were not valid.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-03 22:14:17 and read 3368 times.

Hammy did Genius with KERS. Button is cauliflower in 10th position. Kimi is 5th.
The Italian commentators are raving with Alonso joining Ferrari.
Massa will be in Maranello this week for more medical exams and driving a F1 but not a 2009.
Vettel and Hammy are the future of F1.
Go Hammy!!!!

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Signol
Posted 2009-10-03 22:17:12 and read 3368 times.



Quoting Andz (Reply 103):
We have the live coverage with the British commentators, and unlike the service in the UK (I believe) we have no commercial breaks!

This year F1 is back on the BBC so no ads  Smile It was true up until last year, when ITV had the rights.

signol

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-03 22:28:27 and read 3367 times.

Hammy went to pit. I hope he is gone heavy now so he can pick up more distance. Trulli will also pit it seems.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-03 23:09:10 and read 3357 times.

Good job on Trulli exiting the pit stop. This was brilliant, he re-gained his second place. Now let's wait and see what happens. Button is still cauliflower. Good race Suzuka. I love this track!

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-03 23:15:56 and read 3359 times.

Safety car Alguersuari messed up!! Broke the car in the wall and tyre went off.......

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2009-10-03 23:18:20 and read 3356 times.

I was about to say how boring this race was, with the only exciting moments happening during the pit stops, when the sc is out! Interesting 8 final laps coming up!

Kers not working for LH?

[Edited 2009-10-03 23:19:45]

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-03 23:21:46 and read 3355 times.



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 114):
Kers not working for LH?

Yep seems to be a problem there I hope engineers can fix it.
Hammy doing well for a first at Suzuka. I believe he will be on the podium.
Button cauliflower. Good on Rubens!!

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Andz
Posted 2009-10-03 23:25:24 and read 3353 times.



Quoting Signol (Reply 110):
This year F1 is back on the BBC so no ads It was true up until last year, when ITV had the rights.

Okay that's where I got it from. I remember the commentary team going silent for periods during the race!

Big off there for Alguersari but he looks ok.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: BlueElephant
Posted 2009-10-03 23:33:02 and read 3344 times.

Well driven by Vettel, great strategy by Toyota to gain position back from Hamilton,

Great move by Kovalainen on Fisichella in the Pits,

Congrats to Sebastian Vettel!

boring race though, aside from Jaime's crash.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Springbok747
Posted 2009-10-03 23:33:06 and read 3347 times.

Good job by Vettel...still keeping his title hopes alive! Great job by Kimi to get some valuable points. Looks like Fisi and Kovalianen both need to get a kick in their backsides..no points for either.

On to Brazil!

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2009-10-03 23:35:21 and read 3340 times.

I hoped for some excitment in the final laps but NOTHING happened, as during 99% of the race. But Vettel was excellent. Did not give anyone else a chance. I wish Ferrari would have him for next season  Smile

And now I am sooo going to sleep (3.45 am) Big grin

good night to everyone

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-03 23:36:38 and read 3339 times.

1 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
2 Italy J Trulli Toyota
3 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren

Top scale race by Vettel. The Japanese must be happy to see Toyota coming second. Hammy did the best he could with a non-working KERS.
Rubens still has all his chances for the World Title.
Next race is Brazil.
I enjoyed this Suzuka GP. Wish Alguersuari wouldn't have messed up.
Nice to see Hammy on the podium even in Third place.
Old Trulli did a good job. The RaiUno commentators are pleased.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Andz
Posted 2009-10-03 23:40:13 and read 3336 times.

Well now that that is out of the way don't forget there is MotoGP and Superbikes on today as well!

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Bill142
Posted 2009-10-03 23:48:30 and read 3342 times.

Guess this throws up the championship a fair bit. If Brawn continues this form slump and don't get some decnt results in the next two races, and Vettel continues his good form, Abu Dhabi is going to be very interesting.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-04 00:02:58 and read 3337 times.

From the BBCsports site what the drivers said post-race:

Jenson Button on BBC Radio 5 live: "Rosberg gained about four seconds on us under the safety car, he set a green sector under the safety car so we will have to see what happens with that. I have got one point, maybe two so we will see. But either way I have only lost one point to Rubens so that is good and I can't imagine us not picking up another point each."

Mark Webber on BBC Radio 5 live: "My race was over after two pit stops in the first two laps so we turned down the engine and did some chassis work and testing for future races. We are still just about in the constructors' championship so we need to turn up in the next race because we haven't turned up for the last four."

Third-placed Lewis Hamilton: "We had a great race. I tried to get both of them at the start, but they both started well. Me and Jarno had a great battle. Just after the last stop, I lost Kers and when that happens the brake balance changes and all sorts of things. Once he was in front, it was impossible to keep up with him."

Second-placed Jarno Trulli: "I knew the start would be most difficult. Generally we don't get very good starts and Lewis had the Kers. It was a fantastic race for me after that though. I enjoyed it because the car was very strong. Eventually, thanks to the team and strategy, we got him in the last pit stop."

Race winner Sebastian Vettel: "I do [feel great]. What a race. Strategy-wise we were favourites, but the start was important. It was closer than I thought it would be at turn one. After that, I just tried to push every single lap. I was able to pull a big gap quite quickly. I was pretty much in control until the last stint on soft tyres when there was the safety car."

Sebastian Vettel is charming. He was singing the National Anthem on the podium with his heart out and then we was showing some big smiles on his face.

Good on Trulli and Toyota. Congrats to Hammy for the 3rd place with the KERS not working.

I think Interlagos and Abu Dhabi will be very good.
2 weeks without GPs is a long time to wait...

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-04 01:16:49 and read 3320 times.

Now we just need to wait and see if Rosberg will get a 25 second penalty for speeding while the SC was out, which will see Brawn GP win the WCC title.

Well done to Trulli as he showed some top class driving today.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Cpd
Posted 2009-10-04 02:11:52 and read 3303 times.



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 119):
And now I am sooo going to sleep (3.45 am) Big grin

Oh how I know that feeling.  Wink

Great race by Vettel, otherwise - at least Brawn got some points.  Smile

Hammy at least showed what the McLaren was like without the magic power-button - ie, slow.  Wink

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-04 02:40:33 and read 3308 times.

Are the FIA going to take KERS out from all cars in 2010?

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2009-10-04 02:51:11 and read 3302 times.

Brilliant drive by Vettel, leading from start to finish. Sure, it wasn't the most memorable race, but this has certainly thrown the championship contention wide open.

Despite that, I think Button's lead in the championship is such that it's only a matter of time before he has it sewn up. Brawn may be having a form slump, but even if Vettel scores maximum points with Button not scoring (unlikely) next race, Button will still be in front in the championship. This title is Button's to lose.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2009-10-04 03:16:10 and read 3297 times.



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 126):
Are the FIA going to take KERS out from all cars in 2010?

No, KERS is still allowed as per the 2010 Tech Regs published 19/08/09*

I believe though that FOTA have agreed not to run KERS in 2010.

Cheers

* the Tech regs may or not be final, the 2009 regs both Tech & Sporting changed several times between 1 Jan and the AGP in March

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: T1210s
Posted 2009-10-04 04:30:19 and read 3292 times.

From the FIA


The Race Director reported to the Stewards that Car No 16, Nico Rosberg exceeded the time delta from
when the "Safety Deployed" message was displayed until crossing the Safety Car line. The Stewards
met with the driver and the team representatives and considered the telemetry data, GPS records,
timekeeping and video evidence. This evidence showed a "low fuel" message on the drivers display had
overridden the time delta information preventing the driver from being able to accurately follow the timing
information.
However the telemetry data shows that the driver from a safety point of view had reacted adequately to
the yellow flags and safety car boards. In view of this the Stewards intend to take no further action.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Bill142
Posted 2009-10-05 00:43:47 and read 3190 times.

All, here are some of my pictures from the Singapore GP.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29319716@N07/sets/72157622519172664/

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-05 01:51:04 and read 3172 times.



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 130):
All, here are some of my pictures from the Singapore GP.

Great stuff! "Thanks for sharing" Big grin

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-10-05 02:29:34 and read 3167 times.

Congratulations to Vettel! It was another boring GP and apart from a couple of overtakes, nothing was exciting...

I can't wait to see the end of the season. It's getting more and more painful.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 130):
All, here are some of my pictures from the Singapore GP.

Thanks for the pics, Bill! I hope you enjoyed it and also hope that it was more exciting by the track than it was on TV...

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2009-10-05 07:17:32 and read 3142 times.



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 130):
All, here are some of my pictures from the Singapore GP.

Nice!!!

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 132):
Thanks for the pics, Bill! I hope you enjoyed it and also hope that it was more exciting by the track than it was on TV...

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-10-07 05:30:02 and read 3068 times.

Robert Kubica is officially a Renault driver for the 2010 season:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79319

According to the French press, he already signed his contract.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Cornish
Posted 2009-10-07 09:49:11 and read 3039 times.

hmmm Raikkonen to Red Bull with Webber shifting to Torro Rosso. Funnier things have been known to happen.....

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/153283/...1_2010_as_mclaren_talks_stall.html

Given that a number of top line drivers have became available (Kimi, Kubica, etc), Red Bull's decision to re-sign Vettel (entirely sensible) and Webber so early when they had room to negotiate with other alternatives might have been seen as a bit hasty with hindsight.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-07 11:36:15 and read 3031 times.



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 134):
Robert Kubica is officially a Renault driver for the 2010 season:

Good for him as he deserves to stay in F1. On the other hand, this means that Renault already has a new main sponsor for 2010.(?)

Kimi going to RBR!? Well, why not actually cause RBR is one of the top teams, and they sure have the funds needed with the backing of Red Bull, and not to forget, Adrian Newey.
But ok, if RBR would be able to pay Kimi his salary, Mclaren would as well. So lets see how this all develops.
What I find a bit boring by now is that the whole grid is on hold for the last 2 years until Alonso makes his plans official. Sure, he's a great driver, but he doesn't own the damn grid.  Smile

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Bill142
Posted 2009-10-07 23:51:52 and read 3009 times.



Quoting Sudden (Reply 136):
Good for him as he deserves to stay in F1. On the other hand, this means that Renault already has a new main sponsor for 2010.(?)

Given that ING declared it's intentions not to renew its contract earlier in the season, I expect that Renault has someone lined up and probably had them lined up well before crashgate. I'm sure we will know who it is before the new car is launched.

Quoting Sudden (Reply 136):
What I find a bit boring by now is that the whole grid is on hold for the last 2 years until Alonso makes his plans official. Sure, he's a great driver, but he doesn't own the damn grid.

What do you mean? He's made his plans to go to Ferrari official.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-08 01:05:26 and read 3004 times.



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 137):
What do you mean? He's made his plans to go to Ferrari official.

I basically mean that every year lately the rest of the seats on the grid are being allocated first after that Alonso has made his move official.

When he was to leave Mclaren, all other teams were on hold until they knew where Alonso was going.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-10-08 01:44:24 and read 2998 times.



Quoting Sudden (Reply 138):
I basically mean that every year lately the rest of the seats on the grid are being allocated first after that Alonso has made his move official.

When he was to leave Mclaren, all other teams were on hold until they knew where Alonso was going.

Normal, he's the king! The king first, the subjects after  laughing 

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Cpd
Posted 2009-10-08 02:39:30 and read 2995 times.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 135):
Given that a number of top line drivers

I'd put money on Webber over Kimi actually. He's not slow - and he doesn't throw the car about wildly. Kimi on the other hand can be asleep in some races. And in equal cars, Webber has well and truly kept the wonder-kid Vettel on his toes. He's pretty much always been as fast or faster than Vettel. He's also a good development driver, something that Raikkonen reportedly isn't.

Maybe this report mis-"understood" things and it is really Raikkonen that is going to Toro-Rosso. Perhaps he'll blend in well with that former Italian team. The report seems pretty baseless - from unquoted sources. I could well be all made-up.

I'd prefer the business-like Webber in a team over Raikkonen with his well known party lifestyle and asleep behind the wheel tendencies.

I remember from somewhere a few people spoke about Webber maybe at McLaren - might have been a comment on a news story - but I'll stomp on that one right away. If I'm not mistaken, relations were quite strained from when Webber bailed out of the AMG-Mercedes-Silver Arrows sports-car team (CLR debacle at Le Mans) to go somewhere where he wouldn't get sidelined in the semi-domestic Deutsche Tankstopp Masters like some of the others who were in that sports-car team.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 134):
Robert Kubica is officially a Renault driver for the 2010 season:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79319

According to the French press, he already signed his contract.

That poor guy, I feel sorry for him having to drive for that team...

[Edited 2009-10-08 02:49:45]

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Cornish
Posted 2009-10-08 03:01:23 and read 2980 times.



Quoting Cpd (Reply 140):
I'd put money on Webber over Kimi actually. He's not slow - and he doesn't throw the car about wildly. Kimi on the other hand can be asleep in some races. And in equal cars, Webber has well and truly kept the wonder-kid Vettel on his toes. He's pretty much always been as fast or faster than Vettel. He's also a good development driver, something that Raikkonen reportedly isn't.

Actually although not a huge fan I'd also say Webber is a better team mate for Vettel than Kimi would be. Webber is a good quick solid No.2. quick enough to keep Vettel on his toes, and quick enough to win the odd grand prix without ever usurping the "star" driver. He'll score plenty of points too to aid in the constructors championship. He's a bit like Heidfeld in that respect.

Having said that, he did blot his copybook somewhat in Japan. His practice crash mistake basically cost Red Bull a pretty surefire 1-2 in the race and instead of giving Red Bull a sporting chance in the constructors championship going into the last two races, it has made the title almost certainly Brawn's.

If he was likely to be pushed over to Torro Rosso, if I was Toyota I'd look to sign him. I actually think a Webber / Glock partnership would work very well for Toyota if they stay around...

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-08 03:11:08 and read 2974 times.



Quoting Cpd (Reply 140):
Maybe this report mis-"understood" things and it is really Raikkonen that is going to Toro-Rosso

That will most likely not happen, as Kimi has clearly stated that he will only join a top team.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 141):
Actually although not a huge fan I'd also say Webber is a better team mate for Vettel than Kimi would be

Actually, Kimi and Sebastian are very good friends. So not so sure that this would be a problem.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Cpd
Posted 2009-10-08 03:14:02 and read 2976 times.



Quoting Cpd (Reply 140):
I remember from somewhere a few people spoke about Webber maybe at McLaren - might have been a comment on a news story - but I'll stomp on that one right away. If I'm not mistaken, relations were quite strained from when Webber bailed out of the AMG-Mercedes-Silver Arrows sports-car team (CLR debacle at Le Mans) to go somewhere where he wouldn't get sidelined in the semi-domestic Deutsche Tankstopp Masters like some of the others who were in that sports-car team.

But I forgot and just realised that McLaren next year doesn't have its favoured status from Mercedes anymore does it? Rumours say that was all about the convenient launch of the new MP4-12C sports-car on the same day as MB's SLS AMG pseudo-sports-car. I remember hearing that the powers that be at MB were most unimpressed with the MP4-12C (hardly surprising since it handily surpasses anything MB has done on its own).

So maybe Webber could have a shot at McLaren. Don't know how well that would work with Lewis Hamilton there.. Webber is pretty hard-headed as well..

But anyhow, it's all baseless speculation - and as we know, Webber is signed up with Red Bull. And I don't think some anti-Briatore statement (or lack of it) will change that. As of last word Webber will conduct his own management next-year.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 141):
Webber is a good quick solid No.2. quick enough to keep Vettel on his toes, and quick enough to win the odd grand prix without ever usurping the "star" driver

I think he's the sort who will play the number two if he has to, but I don't think he is really a solid number two driver as such, he's a team player, but given the chance, he'll go for the win - he's a number one level driver, not just there to make up the numbers or play number two all the time. I think it was more his usual terrible luck that thwarted things this year a bit. Maybe he blotted the copy-book once in Japan, but otherwise he has been reliable and very fast.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Cornish
Posted 2009-10-08 03:52:18 and read 2972 times.



Quoting Cpd (Reply 143):
I think he's the sort who will play the number two if he has to, but I don't think he is really a solid number two driver as such, he's a team player, but given the chance, he'll go for the win - he's a number one level driver, not just there to make up the numbers or play number two all the time. I think it was more his usual terrible luck that thwarted things this year a bit. Maybe he blotted the copy-book once in Japan, but otherwise he has been reliable and very fast.

I'll disagree with you on that one - I do think he's a quick No.2 - like a Heidfeld or a Trulli, but not an out and out No.1 for one of the real top teams. Ironically in the past he's been regarded as a great qualifier and a slightly weaker racer, but this year his racing's been better (certainly earlier in the season) and of late his qualifiying has let him down...

But I do look back at his Williams days when he invariably outqualified Heidfeld when they were team mates but Heidfeld tended to outrace him. He's conducted himself well against Vettel this year and it has undoubtedly put him back in the spotlight a bit more, but since Hungary its all gone horribly wrong for him......

But as for the often touted bad luck magnet view, there is the old saying that you make your own luck.....

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2009-10-08 05:43:44 and read 2962 times.

Quoting Cpd (Reply 140):
Maybe this report mis-"understood" things and it is really Raikkonen that is going to Toro-Rosso

I really can't see Raikkonen going to Toro Rosso. I think he'd rather retire than to drive for a team that rarely ever gets a podium finish, let alone win races. Someone of Raikkonen's calibre deserves far better than a Toro Rosso drive to finish his career, he may as well finish as a Ferrari driver and '07 world champion.

My money is on Raikkonen going back to McLaren, because he has had a good relationship with the team before. Raikkonen is certainly going to be far better for McLaren than Kovalainen, who hasn't been impressive to say the least. A Hamilton-Raikkonen partnership is certainly a mouth-watering prospect for racing enthusiasts - two world champions in the same team. Provided it doesn't end up like the Hamilton-Alonso or the Senna-Prost sagas of the past, that driver pairing alone is a force to be reckoned with.

Red Bull is another possibilty, of course. Adrian Newey has done a great job with the RB5 and if this improvement continues, it's quite likely that Red Bull will continue to challenge for the championship. However, my guess would be for Vettel and Webber to stay put at Red Bull, and Raikkonen to go back to McLaren, leaving Kovalainen, perhaps, for the Toro Rosso drive.

[Edited 2009-10-08 05:46:03]

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-08 08:56:36 and read 2941 times.



Quoting CXB77L (Reply 145):
Raikkonen going back to McLaren, because he has had a good relationship with the team before.

Yep. Check the interview with Martin Whitmarsh in F1.com and read what he says about Raikkonen.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 145):
Provided it doesn't end up like the Hamilton-Alonso

I can't really see that happen as Raikkonen doesn't care about his team mate in that way.
He couldn't care less.
What I can see though is that Anthony Hamilton will have a go at Raikkonen, cause he is no fan of him.
Hm, maybe it would even result in that Anthony Hamilton would stay out of the damn garage now and then. Nah, that was a wishful thinking from my side.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Bill142
Posted 2009-10-08 23:41:13 and read 2922 times.



Quoting Sudden (Reply 146):
Hm, maybe it would even result in that Anthony Hamilton would stay out of the damn garage now and then. Nah, that was a wishful thinking from my side.

The amount that he's there gives you the impression that he's micro managing Lewis' career. Perhaps he is just a supportive father?

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-09 02:02:51 and read 2911 times.



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 147):
The amount that he's there gives you the impression that he's micro managing

He is actually Lewis manager flat out. But I can't see why he needs to hang out in the garage every race!

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2009-10-09 03:35:25 and read 2902 times.



Quoting Sudden (Reply 148):
He is actually Lewis manager flat out. But I can't see why he needs to hang out in the garage every race!

And especially, why the TV has to show him there every sinlge time. Just like (to a lesser extent) it happened with Massa's father. At least LH has a very nice girlfriend Big grin

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-10-09 03:42:44 and read 2898 times.

I share the same point of view as Sudden concerning Hamilton's father. I don't know why, but his presence annoys me. It's probably his attitude that makes me think he believes he is the king in the McLaren garage. It's just an impression, though.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 149):
At least LH has a very nice girlfriend

The girlfriend also gets on my nerves  banghead 

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Codeshare
Posted 2009-10-09 13:47:18 and read 2883 times.

Yep, Kubica to Renault, I hope this will turn out good for him. After all, while still Benetton or the precrashgate-era, they always won two back-to-back championships  Big grin (remember Schumi and Alonso ?). So... maybe? could it? We'll see.

KS/codeshare

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-10 00:52:18 and read 2862 times.

I was away to a boat show in Italy. Could some one please summarize all the drivers changes for the next season as to who is moving where? This would be very helpful, thanks a lot in advance. I could not keep up with the news and I can see that a lot has been happening during my short time away.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-10 00:57:39 and read 2863 times.

We basically don't know more then you do MadameC,
but so far we know that Alonso is going to Ferrari, Kubica to Renault, Vettel stays with RBR, me going out the door to look for a new car. Later folks.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-10 03:25:50 and read 2851 times.



Quoting Sudden (Reply 153):
We basically don't know more then you do MadameC

Oh, OK then.
Thank you for providing the names you already have.  Smile
Remember to let us know about your new car after you have made up your mind and bought it.
Wouldn't it be nice to be like Prince Al Waleed with unlimited money and buy ourselves anything we like when we like without even thinking in terms of cost!  Wow!

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-10 05:01:00 and read 2841 times.



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 154):
Remember to let us know about your new car after you have made up your mind and bought it.

Will do, and it's between getting what I already had (a lady decided to drive in to the side of it), or something else.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 154):
Wouldn't it be nice to be like Prince Al Waleed

It would, but on the other hand, if you can buy whatever you want, where is then the exitement of being able to buy it.  Wink

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Codeshare
Posted 2009-10-10 05:59:33 and read 2839 times.

So far (at least I think):

Ferrari: Alonso, Massa
McLaren: Hammy + ?
Renault: Kubica + ?
RBR: Vettel, Webber (in comes Kimi maybe?)
Williams: ?
Brawn: ?
STR: Alguersari, Buemi
Toyota: ?
Force India: Sutil, Liuzzi
USF1: ?
Lotus: ?
Campos: ?
Manor: ?
ex BMW: ?

KS/codeshare

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2009-10-10 07:22:04 and read 2834 times.

I think we can safely say that Ferrari, McLaren, Red Bull, Williams, Toyota and Brawn all have their driver lineups all but sorted.

Ferrari: Alonso (confirmed), Massa (confirmed)
McLaren: Hamilton (confirmed), Raikkonen (likely)
Brawn: Button (confirmed), Rosberg (likely)
Red Bull: Vettel (confirmed), Webber (likely)
Williams: Barrichello (likely), Hulkenberg (confirmed)
Toyota: Glock (likely), Nakajima (likely)

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-10 08:15:02 and read 2831 times.

Why not bring back Sato (don't hyperventilate now MadameC)?

I think he would be a great asset for one of the new teams, for example.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-10-10 08:40:20 and read 2827 times.

According the Auto-Hebdo, the French motorsports weekly, our beloved friend Bernie Ecclestone (78 years-old and 1,50 meters hands up) has a new girlfriend. Fabiana Palmera is Brazilian and... 30 years old.

Just a reminder: Bernie is worth £1.4 billion.

(but only evil people would make a parallel  Smile)

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Codeshare
Posted 2009-10-11 04:15:42 and read 2791 times.

According to a French paper, Kubica has an interesting point in his contract: apparently if Renault don't finish in the top 3 in the constructors' standings he can change teams after the 2010 season. Interesting if true.

KS/codeshare

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Bill142
Posted 2009-10-11 04:22:40 and read 2790 times.

In actual F1 news, it has been discovered Timo Glock suffered a cracked vertebra in his incident in Japan. this is in addition to the cut he received on his leg. As a result, he will miss the Brazilian Grand Prix

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79383

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-11 04:40:32 and read 2787 times.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 159):
Just a reminder: Bernie is worth £1.4 billion.

I have seen more than one of these Italian b*tches catching these older men with money...  Wow!

As to Taku I doubt he will be back on the F1 racing tracks in 2010.
I had this idea of Taku and Kobayashi as drivers for Toyota. That wouldn't be bad!

I also heard about Villeneuve possibly racing with Lotus (not the old Lotus (c'est dommage) just talks going around the Monaco F1 geeks. I hope they are well informed.  

Latest update:
Kamui Kobayashi to be on the grid in Brazil. He will be taking Timo Glock's place.
This will make two Japanese drivers in the next race.

[Edited 2009-10-11 05:31:24]

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Scbriml
Posted 2009-10-12 04:19:40 and read 2744 times.

Ferrari announce that Massa will not return in 2009.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8301060.stm

Quote:
But Ferrari say they "want to proceed gradually" and do not intend to rush the 28-year-old before he is ready.

"Talk of a proper return to Formula 1 can wait until the start of the 2010 season," the Ferrari statement added.

While I sincerely hope that Massa can make a full recovery and race again (assuming he wants to), I have to wonder if Ferrari were too hasty in letting Raikkonen go before knowing for certain that Massa is back to his best?

However, I do certainly agree that there's little point in letting Massa return, without any meaningful testing, for a "dead season" (as far as Ferrari are concerned).

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-12 04:33:11 and read 2743 times.

It makes sense. He had a serious accident and he needs time to rest and fully recover.

F1 geek friend in Monaco said this to me a couple of weeks ago but I would not believe him.
Now it is confirmed so I guess he was right.

Let's wish him a good recovery - most of all - so we can see him racing again during the next season.  pray 

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-10-12 04:45:09 and read 2742 times.



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 163):
However, I do certainly agree that there's little point in letting Massa return, without any meaningful testing, for a "dead season" (as far as Ferrari are concerned).



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 164):
It makes sense.

It does indeed. As Scbriml said, Ferrari's season is over, so I would not see the point to put Massa back on the car (especially because he won't be totally fit).

Let Fisichella live his dream for the remaining two GPs  Smile

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-12 05:24:54 and read 2739 times.



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 165):
Let Fisichella live his dream for the remaining two GPs

One can wonder if his dream included seeing Raikkonen, and former employer, disappear in the distance.  Wink

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 163):
I have to wonder if Ferrari were too hasty in letting Raikkonen go before knowing for certain that Massa is back to his best?

This is what I have been saying all along. Massa might be back, but in what form!

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-10-12 06:55:45 and read 2730 times.



Quoting Sudden (Reply 166):

One can wonder if his dream included seeing Raikkonen, and former employer, disappear in the distance.

Well, I don't think he really cares. That was the only opportunity he had to drive a red car. I guess for him the rest does not matter.

Clearly this car will not let you drive easily if you have not taken part of its development.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-12 07:19:30 and read 2726 times.



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 167):
Clearly this car will not let you drive easily if you have not taken part of its development.

True indeed, but Ferrari brought him on board to secure 3rd place, and Ferrari even said that they expected Fisi to be in the points.
In his defense, the F60 is apparently very difficult to drive.
How hard can it be? Steering, clutch, gears...just like my car. Big grin

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-10-12 07:41:51 and read 2725 times.



Quoting Sudden (Reply 168):
How hard can it be? Steering, clutch, gears...just like my car.

Yeah, piece of cake! After all, even Nikki Lauda said a monkey could drive modern F1s  Yeah sure Big grin

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-10-12 11:27:00 and read 2717 times.

According to the Brazilian press, relayed by the French one, Barichello signed a contract with Williams:

http://www.lequipe.fr/Formule1/breve...richello-chez-williams-presse.html (in French)

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-12 14:23:58 and read 2708 times.



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 170):
Barichello signed a contract with Williams:

That would come as a surprise, to me. I think Brawn has a good line-up as it is and they seem to get along pretty well too.
But maybe he is to swap seat with Rosberg then as Mercedes wants a German driver.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Cpd
Posted 2009-10-13 00:58:48 and read 2706 times.

Quoting Sudden (Reply 171):
That would come as a surprise, to me.

Williams is paying big money to Barrichello, with nice bonuses too.

Still, it strikes me as a bit strange to be bailing out of Brawn. That line up seems to be very strong. Both drivers seem to get along well, and they are both steady, dependable drivers who are, despite all the brickbats thrown at each of them, fighting for the championship win, ahead of the younger, big-name drivers.

[Edited 2009-10-13 00:59:55 by cpd]

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-10-13 02:33:15 and read 2705 times.



Quoting Cpd (Reply 172):
Williams is paying big money to Barrichello, with nice bonuses too.

This suprises me as well. They lost RBS and Air Asia, they struggle to get a decent engine (they will probably end up with the Cosworth) and they still can afford to give so much money (rumours indicate €12 million/year)?

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2009-10-13 02:47:05 and read 2706 times.



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 173):
they struggle to get a decent engine

Or perhaps being co-operative and helping get a German driver into Brawn there may be some assistance with engines as well.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Codeshare
Posted 2009-10-13 05:21:44 and read 2706 times.



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 173):


Quoting Cpd (Reply 172):
Williams is paying big money to Barrichello, with nice bonuses too.

This suprises me as well. They lost RBS and Air Asia, they struggle to get a decent engine (they will probably end up with the Cosworth) and they still can afford to give so much money (rumours indicate €12 million/year)?

Williams is a Forumla 1 trademark like Ferrari or McLaren, so Frank may have somethink up his sleeve. Maybe some Brazilian company.

KS/codeshare

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-13 07:01:59 and read 2706 times.



Quoting Codeshare (Reply 175):
Maybe some Brazilian company.

I can see the carneval babes dancing on the grid.  Wink

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: LTU932
Posted 2009-10-13 12:00:09 and read 2622 times.

http://www.sport1.de/de/formel1/formel1_fahrer/artikel_162087.html (German only)

According to this article, Felipe Massa has been fully cleared for test driving. They say that he's back to being the "old bastard he used to be".

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Sudden
Posted 2009-10-13 14:53:44 and read 2608 times.



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 177):
They say that he's back to being the "old bastard he used to be".

And according to F1.com Ferrari is not letting him race this season even though he might be ready. I guess they can make more use of him with developing the new car instead as they are not fighting for any titles.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: LTU932
Posted 2009-10-13 18:54:36 and read 2605 times.



Quoting Sudden (Reply 178):
And according to F1.com Ferrari is not letting him race this season even though he might be ready.

They're definitely cautious. Even if he's fully recovered, he may be now better useful helping in the development of the new car.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Bill142
Posted 2009-10-14 03:37:17 and read 2577 times.

Williams announces split with Toyota
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79418

My guess is Renault engines next season.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-10-14 03:57:14 and read 2575 times.



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 180):
My guess is Renault engines next season.

I heard eiher Cosworth or Renault. If they get the Renault, they won't lose too much compare to the Toyota.

On the other hand, if they get the Cosworth...

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: Bill142
Posted 2009-10-14 04:05:50 and read 2574 times.

They used cosworth engines prior to toyota and it didn't go to well. I'm expecting Renault.

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-10-14 04:18:07 and read 2571 times.



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 182):
They used cosworth engines prior to toyota and it didn't go to well. I'm expecting Renault.

It will also be a matter of money. I don't know what will be their next sponsor. If they don't get much money, maybe they'll get the Cosworth as a temporary solution until times get better.

But if they can get the Renault, they will  Smile

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2009-10-14 04:46:53 and read 2565 times.

I'd love to see the Williams Renault combination again. It would bring back memories of their glory days in the 1990s!

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2009-10-14 05:42:50 and read 2555 times.



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 182):
They used cosworth engines prior to toyota and it didn't go to well.

I'm not up with the latest at Cosworth.

Certainly in the 2006 20,000+ RPM "Manufacturer Arms race' engine world Cosworth struggled. In an 18,000 RPM development freeze environment things might be quite different.

Cosworth have not been subject to the development freeze so may have developed something quite workable.
If the Cosworth engine is OK then they could be attractive to "Garagista" like Frank & Patrick who would not have to sell their souls to a manufacturer.

Cheers

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2009-10-14 09:32:40 and read 2537 times.

Since the Brazilian GP is taking place in a couple of days, I have created a new thread:

F1 2009: Brazilian GP (by GrahamHill Oct 14 2009 in Non Aviation)

Cheers  wave 

Topic: RE: F1 2009: Japanese Grand Prix
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2009-10-14 13:10:46 and read 2528 times.

From Hammy's blog  kiss 

http://www.f1hamilton.net/mclaren-si...re-mission-control-video-2009.html

Another behind-the-scenes video with Head of McLaren Vehicle Engineering, Mark Williams, being our guide to ‘Mission Control’. We see Mark and his team of engineers, aerodynamicists and strategists as they correlate all the data during Friday's practice at the Singapore Grand Prix.


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