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Topic: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2010-09-07 04:09:55 and read 5594 times.

On we go, to the Italian Grand Prix - Gran Premio Santander d'Italia - in Monza!

Some History:

Monza is the oldest race on the F1 calendar. It was first held in 1922, making Monza the oldest track as well.

Michael Schumacher is the driver with the most wins at Monza.
5 wins for Michael Schumacher 1996, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006

Ferrari is the constructor with the most wins at Monza.
18 wins for Ferrari 1949, 1951, 1952, 1960, 1961, 1964, 1966, 1970, 1975, 1979, 1988, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006

The Italian Grand Prix was also one of the inaugural Formula One championship races in 1950, and has been held every year since then.

Date: Sunday 12 September
Lap length: 3.510 miles
Race laps: 53
Nicknamed the Pista Magica in Italy, Monza is the quickest circuit in F1, with cars reaching a top speed of 215 mph on the long pit straight.

Definitely my top favourite Formula 1 race with Monaco.

Circuit map with information
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-conten...010/08/14_Italy_EN_CMYK_300dpi.jpg

On board with Nigel Mansell in 1988
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hn8yclQGw8

I will be posted in Grandstand 20 Saturday and Sunday, between Variante Ascari and Curva Parabolica 11 in the straight line. I will move about the track on Friday for as much as I can. Thursday will be the visit at the garages and drivers signings in the pit lane. A lot of excitement on sight.

Some happy news to close this first post:

Kamui Kobayashi to remain with Formula 1 team Sauber
Japanese driver Kamui Kobayashi is to remain with Sauber for the 2011 season, the Formula 1 team have confirmed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8975347.stm

Kamui is King!

        

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2010-09-07 04:56:04 and read 5584 times.

Thanks for opening the thread, Madame C !

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
On board with Nigel Mansell in 1988

Good old times   

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Japanese driver Kamui Kobayashi is to remain with Sauber for the 2011 season, the Formula 1 team have confirmed.

Good news! Kamui is a good driver and deserves to continue in F1. Hopefully Sauber will be a bit more competitive next year.

In other news, Lotus and Renault are negociating for engine supplies next year. But Lotus is under contract with Cosworth until 2012, so I don't know if the latter would agree to cancel the contract... Lotus and Renault have already collaborated in the 80s, giving Ayrton Senna his first victories in Formula 1.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86450

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: BlueElephant
Posted 2010-09-07 06:30:25 and read 5564 times.

Thanks Madame C for opening the thread.

I'm hoping for a solid result (1-2) for McLaren....

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
On board with Nigel Mansell in 1988

This is both a computer simulation and on the old track...so allow me to add something a bit more relevant...

Onboard with Kimi Raikkonen 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7Is1lKGDco


Two other notes:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86449
A lap of the new Korea track with Karun Chandhok in a Red Bull....
I'm under the opinion that this track is far from ready....doesn't look like there are grandstands or kerbs....it's going to be interesting.

The WMSC meeting on Ferrari is tomorrow....If they get their drivers' points revoked, surely they'll be out of contention for the title. In which case it'll be a 4 (not prancing) horse race...with Mark W and Lewis H in the lead.

[Edited 2010-09-07 06:46:19]

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2010-09-07 06:31:55 and read 5565 times.

Lewis Hamilton

“Our victory in Belgium showed that, as a team, we never give up, and that we’ll always bounce back from adversity feeling stronger and more determined than before. This team has such an incredible fighting spirit – we strive to win, and I hope that Spa is only the start of a run of stronger form for us as we head into the final races of the championship.

“I’ve made no secret of my wish to win this race. Monza is an incredible circuit – full of history and stories from the past. It has a special feeling in the air that you don’t find anywhere else in the world. It’s a circuit that inspires you to race at your limit, and I’ll be pushing hard all weekend.

“Finally, I’m looking forward to meeting the Italian fans this weekend. I pretty much grew up racing karts in Italy, so I’ve always appreciated and understood the passion and support of the fans for Formula 1, and motorsport in general.

“Even if it’s not always obvious, I know that Vodafone McLaren Mercedes does have a deep pocket of support in Italy. So I hope the whole team can have another great race at one of the classic tracks in Formula 1.”

  

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2010-09-07 11:12:13 and read 5532 times.

Not Monza related, but still interesting nonetheless. A lap on the new Korean circuit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIp258UMo5s&feature=player_embedded

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2010-09-07 12:00:48 and read 5522 times.

Re the new track in Korea, are they going to add a race next season or will another race disappear from the calendar? I still haven't figured it out.
Koreans work 24/7 I doubt they have social protection like in Europe so the track will probably be finished very quickly with all the equpment and buildings set up, with the grandstands and all.
F1 is taking new directions with these new tracks. I much prefer the old style.   

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: tarheelwings
Posted 2010-09-07 12:12:52 and read 5516 times.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 2):
The WMSC meeting on Ferrari is tomorrow....If they get their drivers' points revoked, surely they'll be out of contention for the title

That would be a travesty, let's hope that's not the case. I'm hoping they just stay with the original fine and leave it at that....forza Ferrari!

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2010-09-07 12:31:11 and read 5514 times.

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 6):
That would be a travesty, let's hope that's not the case. I'm hoping they just stay with the original fine and leave it at that....forza Ferrari!

The fine is nothing to Ferrari. If there is only a fine, they will do it again.

I seriously hope Ferrari get their manufacturer's points revoked for this race.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: sudden
Posted 2010-09-07 13:03:16 and read 5506 times.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 2):
I'm under the opinion that this track is far from ready

Still alot missing by the looks of things.

Not a big deal though, but i wonder why Chandhok was chosen for this event. He doesn't have any connections with RBR or Red Bull. Or am I wrong?

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: BlueElephant
Posted 2010-09-07 13:14:17 and read 5502 times.

Quoting sudden (Reply 8):

Not a big deal though, but i wonder why Chandhok was chosen for this event. He doesn't have any connections with RBR or Red Bull. Or am I wrong?

No he's still under contract at HRT, but he's not driving and Red Bull drivers (all four of them) had committments.

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 6):
That would be a travesty, let's hope that's not the case. I'm hoping they just stay with the original fine and leave it at that....forza Ferrari!

As Graham mentioned above I don't think it's fair for them just to get a fine. They should be punished fairly harshly especially given how others have been punished in the past. I'm thinking Drivers and Constructors points get taken away....This will undoubtably put F1 into another scandal with Loco Di Montezemolo or whatever screaming bloody mary, trying to sue the FIA in court....lose and then say Ferrari is leaving F1 and then they won't...and hten they'll proceed to whine about race result until the end of the season.... Add in blaming (mostly) McLaren and (partially) Red Bull in there somewhere as well.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2010-09-07 13:15:04 and read 5502 times.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 2):
A lap of the new Korea track with Karun Chandhok in a Red Bull...
Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
A lap on the new Korean circuit:

Mmmh, I should learn how to read posts properly....

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: stealthz
Posted 2010-09-07 16:57:22 and read 5477 times.

Quoting sudden (Reply 8):
He doesn't have any connections with RBR or Red Bull. Or am I wrong?

He was part of the Red Bull Driver development program like Vettel and others, this likely entails some sort of ongoing relationship or personal sponsorship.. and he was available

Cheers

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: cpd
Posted 2010-09-07 17:11:14 and read 5476 times.

Predicting McLaren 1-2 finish here, and Force India 3rd and 4th. Renault should also be very strong here too.

I think this won't be one of Redbull's stronger circuits unless they can get some more speed from car in a straight line.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: sudden
Posted 2010-09-07 23:17:55 and read 5453 times.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 10):
Mmmh, I should learn how to read posts properly....

Shame on you!

Quoting stealthz (Reply 11):
He was part of the Red Bull Driver development program like Vettel and others, this likely entails some sort of ongoing relationship or personal sponsorship.. and he was available

Oh ok. Thanks for the info. Or maybe i need to write "Thanks for sharing" 

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: waterpolodan
Posted 2010-09-08 05:07:01 and read 5403 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
Re the new track in Korea, are they going to add a race next season or will another race disappear from the calendar? I still haven't figured it out.
http://www.formula1.com/races/calendar.html
Check out #17 on this year's calendar and you'll have your answer  . It was added to the 2010 schedule a long time ago, though I must admit I forgot about it until the news started appearing recently that the track might not be ready.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: tarheelwings
Posted 2010-09-08 07:09:05 and read 5384 times.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 9):
As Graham mentioned above I don't think it's fair for them just to get a fine. They should be punished fairly harshly especially given how others have been punished in the past. I'm thinking Drivers and Constructors points get taken away....This will undoubtably put F1 into another scandal with Loco Di Montezemolo or whatever screaming bloody mary, trying to sue the FIA in court....lose and then say Ferrari is leaving F1 and then they won't...and hten they'll proceed to whine about race result until the end of the season.... Add in blaming (mostly) McLaren and (partially) Red Bull in there somewhere as well

Punished for what? For pointing out to Massa what was pretty clear to everyone else....that Alonso was (and is) the faster driver of the two? I get a kick out of the hypocrisy in Formula 1: team orders endanger the integrity of the sport....  

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: waterpolodan
Posted 2010-09-08 08:07:32 and read 5373 times.

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 15):
Punished for what? For pointing out to Massa what was pretty clear to everyone else....that Alonso was (and is) the faster driver of the two? I get a kick out of the hypocrisy in Formula 1: team orders endanger the integrity of the sport....

It is a stupid rule, and James Allen makes a good point on his blog-
"And for the sake of consistency I would like to know why this German GP incident is such a big deal when Ferrari has twice used team orders which directly – and very publicly – affected the outcome of the world championship, in 2007. Massa let Raikkonen through to win the race and that gave him the championship. Not a single fan or commentator or rival team had a problem with that, but it was just as much a team order as the German GP. The difference is that everyone accepts it in the last race, they don’t accept it at the 11th round of 19.

So let’s be grown up about this. The rule which says “No team orders” is ridiculous and unworkable and we need a sensible, workable alternative to come out of today’s hearing."

The difference in 2007 was of course that there were no radio commands that were so clear in their intent. However, should Ferrari be punished because Smedley's tone was apologetic? That's absurd. They should just eliminate the rule about team orders and be done with it. Maybe ban team orders for the last 2 laps of a race, so we don't have a final corner slowdown like Austria in 2001 and 2002, but they have a place in F1 and always have.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: waterpolodan
Posted 2010-09-08 10:20:12 and read 5352 times.

Verdict is in- While team orders may be on the rule books, they are going to be ignored by the FIA. No further punishment by the FIA beyond the paltry 100,000 fine imposed by the stewards. Although it goes against the letter of the rules, this is the proper verdict. No need to harm this year's exciting championship contest because of a rule that shouldn't be there in the first place, and should have been officially revoked today.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: BlueElephant
Posted 2010-09-08 10:43:55 and read 5343 times.

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 15):
Punished for what? For pointing out to Massa what was pretty clear to everyone else....that Alonso was (and is) the faster driver of the two? I get a kick out of the hypocrisy in Formula 1: team orders endanger the integrity of the sport....

You haven't been involved in prior discussions, So I'll let you go on this... But it was mentioned a number of times and I think we're all pretty much in agreement that the team orders rule is stupid and has been done by all teams since it was banned....but Ferrari made no attempt to hide the fact.

If you want to get involved in discussions regarding hypocricy, I'm sure you'll find a number of people who will argue that Ferrari have gotten their way (while other teams have been penalized) on a number of occasions. I know you' would have at least ONE fan who always has his Ferrari Blinders on... (Points at EZEIZA...  Silly )

On this occasion...I think the WMSC got it wrong. Yes there was no CLEAR indication that Ferrari used Team Orders illegally but it really was completely blatent and obvious...I must make the cliche statement---> Had this been any other team (in previous years, caveat added)....

[Edited 2010-09-08 10:46:17]

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: tarheelwings
Posted 2010-09-08 11:00:06 and read 5341 times.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 18):
You haven't been involved in prior discussions, So I'll let you go on this... But it was mentioned a number of times and I think we're all pretty much in agreement that the team orders rule is stupid and has been done by all teams since it was banned....but Ferrari made no attempt to hide the fact

If by involvement you mean posting, you are correct, I haven't been involved. I have however been following this forum for quite a while and by the sound of it, we are in agreement that the team orders rule is stupid. As to whether Ferrari made an attempt to hide (or disguise) their order, I think most tifosi would disagree with you.

Let's agree to disagree shall we? Here's to Alonso winning Monza and tightening the points race   

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2010-09-08 11:48:37 and read 5338 times.

Another splendid decision by the FIA... How come I was so stupid to think that the contrary could happen?

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 16):
They should just eliminate the rule about team orders and be done with it

Good! So let's enjoy races where dice are loaded!

Wait, I have a better idea: prior to race start, let's chose the winner by tossing a coin...  

[Edited 2010-09-08 11:59:11]

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2010-09-08 12:02:02 and read 5325 times.

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 19):
Here's to Alonso winning Monza and tightening the points race

No chance. This is going to be a McLaren 1-2.
Not the Ferraris can't be as fast in those straight lines.
I will be there cheering Hammy for the win, Kamui and Pedro for their remarkable efforts with their not so good car.

Tomorrow's the day!
I will have to find a checkered F1 flag on site to have it signed by all. The rumor is that many old/retired drivers will be around, Sir Jackie and many others. Yeeee!!!!

Forza McLaren Numero Uno!!!

Go Hammy!!!!
Go Kamui the King!!!!
Go Pedro!!!!

                          

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: sudden
Posted 2010-09-08 12:13:38 and read 5321 times.

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 19):
Let's agree to disagree shall we?

Welcome to the F1 threads.
That said, lets not kick a dead horse.  
It's an endless discussion and we simply have to accept that we who participate in these F1 threads feel different about this rule and the German GP.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86481

Quote:
Formula 1's ban on team orders is to be reviewed after the season following the decision of the FIA not to hand Ferrari any further punishment for breaching the regulations at the German Grand Prix.


I guess this opens the door then. I mean, Ferrari has now set the standard for the team order rule so I bet other teams would like the rule to be scrapped completely so they can start playing around with team orders as well, for free.  

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: waterpolodan
Posted 2010-09-08 14:08:59 and read 5300 times.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 20):

Good! So let's enjoy races where dice are loaded!

Wait, I have a better idea: prior to race start, let's chose the winner by tossing a coin...

You know full well that it's been a part of the sport for as long as the sport has existed. The Auto Union and Mercedes teams in the 1930s changed race outcomes with team orders, the Bugatti team did the same in the 20s, it's happened continually throughout the "modern" era starting in 1950, it's a part of the sport. It's not akin to loading the dice, as it's just one team switching their two drivers' running order. If the whole grid had some sort of agreement worked out in advance, then that would be one thing, but this is just for the rare instance where 2 teammates can improve a team's championship challenge by swapping places. It doesn't happen often and it isn't a big deal, it just became a huge thing because of the way that Rubens allowed MSC to pass despite dominating that race in Austria and especially because of MSC's already dominant position in the championship that year (IIRC, he had the title locked down with 4 races left in the season). If that hadn't happened, and if this weren't Ferrari involved once again, it wouldn't be such a big deal. In 2008 at Hockenheim, Hamilton had to pass Kovalainen to have a chance to attack the leaders after his pitstop. The team told Heikki, and he duly pulled over. Nothing was said about that, and the incident was forgotten. It was exactly the same thing, yet it ended up costing Massa the championship as if Lewis had to fight for the position, he wouldn't have had time to get past the other cars ahead of him. I didn't have a problem with it, as it was Mclaren playing their strategic cards just right, as Ferrari had done to beat them to the title in 2007 with Massa and Raikkonen at Interlagos. It happens, and there's no way to regulate it, so we need to live with it and accept it as part of this being a team sport.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: cpd
Posted 2010-09-08 21:22:55 and read 5276 times.

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/508...lder-park-not-eyeing-australian-gp

Speaking of team orders... And it seems Dr Helmut Marko is unpleased at McLaren's criticism of Vettel as F1's 'crash kid'.

Sebastian Buemi is also reportedly targeting Mark Webber's seat at Redbull. Never mind the fact that Webber has won more races than anyone else this year.  Yeah sure

[Edited 2010-09-08 21:43:00]

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: sudden
Posted 2010-09-08 23:15:53 and read 5296 times.

Quoting cpd (Reply 24):
Sebastian Buemi is also reportedly targeting Mark Webber's seat at Redbull

Can't blame him for aiming higher though. As far as I know RBR's line-up for next season is done deal, so not sure when Buemi was to take over?  

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: bill142
Posted 2010-09-09 01:05:33 and read 5288 times.

Quoting cpd (Reply 24):

Good to know that Calder park isn't interested in the GP. If I recall correctly, a V8 supercar, circa 1998 could do a lap there in under a minute. So who knows how fast a modern F1 car could do it in. Alan Jones FW7 did in 39.6 on the short circuit.

Quoting sudden (Reply 25):
Can't blame him for aiming higher though. As far as I know RBR's line-up for next season is done deal, so not sure when Buemi was to take over?

Think he's aiming for 2012. Unless Webber wins the championship this year and pulls the pin.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: scbriml
Posted 2010-09-09 04:36:41 and read 5296 times.

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 23):
If the whole grid had some sort of agreement worked out in advance, then that would be one thing, but this is just for the rare instance where 2 teammates can improve a team's championship challenge by swapping places.



IMHO, that really depends. Given it's a team sport, the very concept of making team orders illegal is simply preposterous. However, as the rules stand, they are illegal (even if the rule is unenforceable). Let's hope the FIA clarifies the situation before Sunday's race.

But, back to your point. I do have a problem where a TEAM claims that swapping its drivers gives that TEAM a better result. It didn't in the German GP - Ferrari were running 1-2 and finished 1-2, the points that the Ferrari TEAM scored were the same regardless of the order in which its drivers finished. The real question is, should the TEAM be more interested in the TEAM result, or the result for an individual driver? It seems to me that Ferrari are more interested in the driver's championship than the constructor's.

If team orders are to be made "less illegal", then it's a moot point, but swapping driver order without changing the TEAM result is clear manipulation of the race result. However, I don't see telling drivers to maintain order near the end of a race as the same thing, as that is an order for the benefit of the TEAM (ask Red Bull!)

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: BlueElephant
Posted 2010-09-09 14:24:54 and read 5257 times.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 27):
Let's hope the FIA clarifies the situation before Sunday's race.

Oh They clarified something... http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86508
FIA: Ferrari used Illegal team orders....But can't be punished.


P.S. Can anyone count the number of engines everyone has remaining? Is it just me or does Alonso only have 1 remaining for the rest of the season...

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: bill142
Posted 2010-09-10 01:10:20 and read 5248 times.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 28):
P.S. Can anyone count the number of engines everyone has remaining? Is it just me or does Alonso only have 1 remaining for the rest of the season...

This article seem to suggest that Alonso has used 6 out of 8 engines.
http://richardsf1.com/2010/09/07/alo...confident-despite-lack-of-engines/

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: stealthz
Posted 2010-09-10 07:39:08 and read 5215 times.

So the F1 status quo is maintained...
Ferrari gets a couple of free passes-
1/ Team orders, while they agree that the rule was broken no more than a slap on the wrist! Even after determining that both drivers were told to turn their engines down, then Alonso was told to speed up again, then advising FM that FA was faster! I agree the rule needs some revision(or perhaps abolishing) but the Scuderia broke it.. no argument(little even from them!)
2/ Missing a grid position,
-Massa claiming he sits too low in the car to see his grid box, sorry Felipe, if you want to play with the big boys you need to sit up and pay attention!
-FIA, claiming they only learnt of this transgression after video footage was shown to them after the event... come on be serious, they have several "judges of fact" on the grid to observe and electronic devices to indicate placement, TV commentators were discussing this issue before the red lights went out! (Charlie W, you dropped the ball big time, maybe time for a new Tech director/starter)

And this ..."FIA president Jean Todt says motor racing's governing body could not hand Ferrari any further sanctions for using team orders at the German Grand Prix, because there was not enough evidence to prove it had broken the rules."

He was not even at the hearing but then we have a pretty good idea where his sympathies may lie

Seems the FIA is again becoming an acronym for ... oh better not mention that it gets people upset!

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: BlueElephant
Posted 2010-09-10 13:43:28 and read 5181 times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZeGbQ0fojo
Autosport looks at F1 2010 (the game) in depth.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: sudden
Posted 2010-09-11 06:21:17 and read 5143 times.

Interesting quali to say the least.
Ferrari really on the ball this weekend. Hamilton looking so strong in Q1 and Q2, but only manages P5 when it counts!
RBR to be found first on row 3!
All set for an interesting race tomorrow.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: bill142
Posted 2010-09-11 06:50:59 and read 5131 times.

Button should have Alonso off the line. Should make for an interesting start to the race.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: sudden
Posted 2010-09-11 07:26:54 and read 5114 times.

Quoting bill142 (Reply 33):
Button should have Alonso off the line. Should make for an interesting start to the race.

Massa's job for tomorrow will be to slow down Hamilton and Webber.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: MIAspotter
Posted 2010-09-11 07:31:16 and read 5113 times.

Quoting sudden (Reply 34):
Massa's job for tomorrow will be to slow down Hamilton and Webber.

Can he comfirm that he understand the message?

Good job to Alonso, glad to see a Ferrari on pole again, should be an interesting start of the race tomorrow.

MIAspotter.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: Aesma
Posted 2010-09-11 07:36:01 and read 5110 times.

I don't think Ferrari is at the right place, I feel they're pushing the engines hard, expect a failure tomorrow, or a quite slower pace.

I'm glad Button is in first line, but he could have made it to P1, too bad !

Big mistake for Hamilton, let's hope his ambitious aero configuration will allow him to pass some cars, and not end up out of the track like last year.

About the engines, the French commentators said the Ferraris have their 8th and last new ones, so every other GP should be with used ones.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: waterpolodan
Posted 2010-09-11 08:13:41 and read 5102 times.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 36):
I don't think Ferrari is at the right place, I feel they're pushing the engines hard, expect a failure tomorrow, or a quite slower pace.

That's sort of silly, they have rev limiters so there really is no way for them to push the engines harder than they do at any other track. Also, they've been very competitive at the fast tracks this year so I don't see any reason to think that they are pushing too hard and might compromise their reliability, they've just optimized their high speed aero package and just in time too for their home race.

It's a very interesting grid tomorrow, both Alonso and Button need to finish in the top 2 and preferably win the race to keep themselves in the championship hunt, so neither will be content to cruise around in 2nd or 3rd without pushing the car ahead. Button should have a good shot off the line, but Massa might also sneak in there like in Germany, though obviously we know that if Fernando is in the hunt Massa won't be winning the race. Perhaps the most interesting grouping on the grid are Webber, Hamilton, and Vettel in 4-5-6. It made me smile to see Webber outqualify Vettel again, it's time for the team to state unequivocally that Mark is the #1 and Vettel needs to go into a supporting role. Mark will hopefully be able to hold off Lewis at the start, and if he does it'll be interesting to see if Seb crashes into another Mclaren attempting a botched overtake, as that would really open the championship wide open for Mark and possibly Button/Alonso as well. Very excited for the race, it should be a classic.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: Baroque
Posted 2010-09-11 09:18:15 and read 5091 times.

Quoting sudden (Reply 34):
Quoting bill142 (Reply 33):
Button should have Alonso off the line. Should make for an interesting start to the race.

Massa's job for tomorrow will be to slow down Hamilton and Webber.

Nah, they will be "relying" on Vettel to demolish part of the field. Trouble is working out which part he will demolish.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: sudden
Posted 2010-09-11 10:02:47 and read 5087 times.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 35):
Can he comfirm that he understand the message?

What is that supposed to mean? He very kindly moved over in Germany. And what his boss says, goes.
Not that I have heard that he will be breaking the others, but I can well imagine that this will be his main duty tomorrow.

I think Button will have a pretty hard task during the run to turn 1 as not only will he have to try and overtake Alonso, but he also needs to prevent Massa from overtaking him.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: MIAspotter
Posted 2010-09-11 10:59:23 and read 5079 times.

Quoting sudden (Reply 39):
What is that supposed to mean?

Nothing, just trying to add some sarcasm. 

MIAspotter

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2010-09-11 12:16:51 and read 5066 times.

Third day at the racing track in the middle of the Monza madness.
Huge crowds. Never seen so many people.
Ferrari fans by the thousands. They own the place:
I am becoming more and more a small teams supporter.
Pictures to come: I think I will have some interesting stuff.
Got to spend time with Sebastian Vettel..... strangely enough....
Did not see Hammy or Kamui or Pedro other than on the racing track.
Today i was at the turn at the Parabolica though I had two fences on my nose.
I think this one will be a Ferrari win.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: codeshare
Posted 2010-09-11 12:33:01 and read 5061 times.

Damn those two Nicos - Kubica is 9th by just an inch... shouldn't have risked with the tyres.
Alonso was so happy to get the pole that his overconfidence might turn into a P2 or worse in the race perhaps. No exciting session for the Bulls. Not a track for them. I think for an interesting championship battle I'd like Button to win and then Alonso or Hamilton followed by Massa and Webber and then the Polish guy   . Button's setup and driving style could prove to be a good combination.

The start will be most interesting Button and Hamilton must surge ahead of Alonso if they want to fight for the win and of course before the first chicane.

Now what could happen if Massa gets ahead of Alonso .... ?

KS/codeshare

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: Aesma
Posted 2010-09-11 14:49:59 and read 5040 times.

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 37):
That's sort of silly, they have rev limiters so there really is no way for them to push the engines harder than they do at any other track. Also, they've been very competitive at the fast tracks this year so I don't see any reason to think that they are pushing too hard and might compromise their reliability, they've just optimized their high speed aero package and just in time too for their home race.

Of course there is, it's called engine maps, mainly. Especially this year we often hear the engineers telling the pilots to put this or that setting.

There is some chatter in the paddock that they in fact introduced a new engine modification, which would be "legal".

[Edited 2010-09-11 14:50:49]

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2010-09-11 15:12:10 and read 5029 times.

Well, I'm obviously late in the thread (it's been a hell of a week!), but I see that some are stil claiming the Ferrari assitance .. right. Check out how the season has been overall and I'm sure you'll see that it's not the case.

Anyway, back to more serius stuff, I was impressed with the Ferraris in the qualis. Alonso had also been fast on Friday, but that means nothing, so when Massa and Alonso were up there in the first two sessions today I actually believed thy had a chance in finally getting a pole, and Alonso did an outstanding first lap in Q3. Lh though was close, and could have made it but he had a very smal mistake inat the beginning of hos last lap, but he'll be fast tomorrow for sure.
ABout the engines, the tv commentator here mentioned Alonso is running on his 8th engine, while the rest of the grid is on the 6th with the exception of one driver that I don't recall right now.

Can't wait for tomorrow! I'm sure Madame C is having a blast  

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: sudden
Posted 2010-09-12 01:00:19 and read 4970 times.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 40):
Nothing, just trying to add some sarcasm

Sorry, my bad.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 43):
Of course there is, it's called engine maps, mainly. Especially this year we often hear the engineers telling the pilots to put this or that setting

True, but all the teams are running more or less the same mapping as during quali they need all the juice they can get.
Ferrari looks set to be right up there today, and I don't see any reason to why they specifically should have any engine failure.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: MIAspotter
Posted 2010-09-12 05:05:46 and read 4958 times.

WOW WOW WOW!!! what a start!!!

Button passed Alonso and Hamilton is OUT!!!!

MIAspotter.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: andz
Posted 2010-09-12 05:06:04 and read 4947 times.

Well that's the end of Hamilton.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: Springbok747
Posted 2010-09-12 05:06:16 and read 4950 times.

Wohoooo! Lewis is out on lap 1..great start by Button though!

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: MIAspotter
Posted 2010-09-12 05:14:41 and read 4938 times.

Quoting andz (Reply 47):
Well that's the end of Hamilton.

Yup, he did not looked too happy walking into his motorhome.



MIAspotter

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: MIAspotter
Posted 2010-09-12 05:34:41 and read 4926 times.

Now Vettel has engine troubles.

MIAspotter.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: stealthz
Posted 2010-09-12 05:43:11 and read 4920 times.

Vettel..."My engine has gone on me, I have engine problem"
Translation..."All clear, I have let Mark thru now we can get on with the race"

Or am I being a cynic??

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: MIAspotter
Posted 2010-09-12 05:59:29 and read 4936 times.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

Great stop for Alonso managed to squeeze past Button, nerve wrecking stuff!

MIAspotter

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: bill142
Posted 2010-09-12 06:09:48 and read 4930 times.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 51):
Or am I being a cynic??

Yes. It's looking like Vettel is going to jump Webber.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: MIAspotter
Posted 2010-09-12 06:22:35 and read 4928 times.

A L O N S O WINS         

The tifosi are going mental!! congrats!

MIAspotter

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2010-09-12 06:31:35 and read 4923 times.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 51):
Vettel..."My engine has gone on me, I have engine problem"
Translation..."All clear, I have let Mark thru now we can get on with the race"

Or am I being a cynic??

Yes you are 

But for a moment, I thought the same. And obviously, he really had a problem with his engine for a couple of minutes.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: sudden
Posted 2010-09-12 06:36:55 and read 4914 times.

Awsome drive/work by Alonso/Ferrari. They sure deserved this win.

Vettel fan or not, the way he jumped Webber with that pitstop was actually amusing. Great and sneaky strategy. 
Hulkenberg was wild out there today, and he sure gave Webber a run for his money.

Overall a good race with lots of action.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2010-09-12 06:37:30 and read 4917 times.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 55):
But for a moment, I thought the same

I think everyone did ... and I'm still not 100% sure something else went on and eventually Vettel decided to do his own thing.

Anyway, what a race by Alonso! Pole, fastest lap and victory in the ultimate Ferrari turf. Poor Madame C must be suffering neing in the middle of all the fans 

Forza Ferrari!!

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2010-09-12 06:56:04 and read 4902 times.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 57):
I'm still not 100% sure something else went on and eventually Vettel decided to do his own thing.

Hopefully not. Apparently the Renault engineers told Vettel to switch a couple of buttons on the steering wheel, and it solved the problem. Electronic problem, apparently.

Well, I guess we'll never know if this was really intended or not anyway...

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2010-09-12 08:44:06 and read 4855 times.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 58):
Apparently the Renault engineers told Vettel to switch a couple of buttons on the steering wheel, and it solved the problem. Electronic problem, apparently.

I agree, we'll never know. it's also interesting how he managed to go through the entire race without having to pit (ok, he did in the last lap, but not because he needed to).

A really tough break for LH .. wrong place at the wrong time sort of accident, and Massa was really lucky to get out unharmed from the incident, just as lucky as Alonso and Button were when they hit eachother .. it was definitely a lucky day for us Ferrari fans around the world 

we need a couple fo more monza's and FA might bounce back and actually have a chance

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: waterpolodan
Posted 2010-09-12 09:02:40 and read 4848 times.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 43):

Of course there is, it's called engine maps, mainly. Especially this year we often hear the engineers telling the pilots to put this or that setting.

Yes, but as pointed out the engine maps typically don't change much in reliability terms, they just affect the fuel consumption rate. Sure, you can mess with the ignition timing and such but with the unrestricted rev limits gone when teams would push another 200 or 300 rpm out of their engines at Monza for a tiny bit more power and consequently we had lots of engine blow ups, the engine failure rate at a place like Monza these days really isn't any different than the other tracks as the engines are hardly stressed at 18,000 when they would probably be revving at 21,000+ if they took the limiters away. Anyway, as proven by both F10s finishing in the top 3 it's clear that they weren't pushing too hard and they've just got a good setup figured out for racing on high speed circuits.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: codeshare
Posted 2010-09-12 09:55:42 and read 4828 times.

The start was just fantastic by Button, too bad for Hamilton, a little his fault he tried to squeeze in but it ruined the race for him.
Best start also for Kubica who made up quite a few postions but somehow stayed behind Rosber who had a good pace. But then the pit-stop.... too long and too early. RBR not so fast, but the trick with Vettels sting did the job somehow...
Curious uneven laps by Massa once getting close to Alonso once getting back...
Hulkenberg a bit cocky vs Webber 3 times cutting the chicane and a little unsporty behaviour. Following the steps of Vettel maybe  

Madame Concorde will probably be sad with the outcome of Hamilton's and Kobayashi's races. Don't worry.

KS/codeshare

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: swissy
Posted 2010-09-12 11:25:51 and read 4810 times.

Quoting andz (Reply 47):
Well that's the end of Hamilton.

Should he get a 5 grid penalty for the next race.... because of his avoidable incident???     sorry could not resist 

Good race, loved the pace of Alonso & Button... man oh man that was close for 99% of the race

As per news paper "quick Nick" will replace Pedro at Sauber.....

Cheerios,

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: Aesma
Posted 2010-09-12 13:41:09 and read 4790 times.

After Vettel's problem, I was wondering if there was a radio com I missed :

YOUR
ENGINE
WILL
HAVE
A
HICCUP

DO
YOU
UNDERSTAND ?

:D

I guess we'll know by the end of the year if Ferrari's engines can make it. (we already know that De La Rosa's didn't).

I was rooting for Button, but even in second he's still back in the game. I wonder if the damage Alonso did to his car slowed him.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: sudden
Posted 2010-09-12 14:02:30 and read 4782 times.

Quoting swissy (Reply 62):
As per news paper "quick Nick" will replace Pedro at Sauber.....

Really!? Thought he was under contract with Pirelli now. Maybe he's still has the option to race.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: Springbok747
Posted 2010-09-12 14:35:45 and read 4772 times.

Great to see Ferrari finally win, especially at their home race! Wooooooooooo!

As far as Vettel goes..I think that nonsense about his engine was a veil for team orders to allow Webber to pass . It just didn't work out for Webber like they thought since Vettel was able to go until the final lap before pitting. Exciting race though..we need more of these!

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2010-09-12 18:33:32 and read 4742 times.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 65):
Exciting race though..we need more of these!

I agree, but it's also interesting that the race was exciting but without that much happening really. You had Button/Alonso/Massa more or less having the same lap times, with the only difference being the pit stop. Then, apart from LH hitting Massa in the first corner, and Vettel's "engine problem", not much went on. And yet, because of Alonso and Button the race kept a level of excitement worth remembering!

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2010-09-12 23:27:51 and read 4726 times.

Quoting codeshare (Reply 61):
Hulkenberg a bit cocky vs Webber 3 times cutting the chicane and a little unsporty behaviour. Following the steps of Vettel maybe

Unsportsmanlike behaviour? OK, so he cut the chicane three times, and I admit that I'm a bit surprised that he wasn't penalised, but it is a stretch to call it "unsportsmanlike behaviour". All he did was try his hardest at defending his position, which he is completely entitled to do, and got it wrong on a few occasions.

Following the steps of Vettel? Yeah. Hulkenberg has shown signs this weekend of how genuinely quick he is. He out-raced Barrichello all weekend. Williams were right to put him in the car, and I hope that he'll stay with Williams while the team gets back up to where they belong - at the front fighting for championships. Both Vettel and Hulkenberg are tremendously talented drivers.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: bill142
Posted 2010-09-13 03:38:58 and read 4689 times.

The weekend hasn't turned out all bad for Lewis Hamilton. It turns out he beat the Facebook car a 2-1 at Schiphol this morning.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2010-09-13 04:11:59 and read 4680 times.

I was mentionning in the beginning of the thread that Lotus could get rid of Cosworth in order to place a deal with Renault.

Well, the first step has been done: Cosworth reached an agreement to end the partnership with Lotus.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86677

If they reach a deal with Renault, and if they build a decent chassis next year, I guess we'll stop seeing Lotus fighting for the last positions on the grid  

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: swissy
Posted 2010-09-13 04:52:17 and read 4676 times.

Quoting sudden (Reply 64):
Really!? Thought he was under contract with Pirelli now.

So they say... he is starting @ the Singapore GP , could be a smart move by Peter since Pirelli is the tire supplier for 2011... maybe that will give them a better start in 2011...



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 69):
If they reach a deal with Renault, and if they build a decent chassis next year,

I do not think the Cosworth motor is the reason for driving around at the back... even with Renault power not much would change if they cannot improve the whole package for 2011.... sure would like to see Lotus again burning the rubber at the front of the field 

Cheerios,

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: scbriml
Posted 2010-09-13 05:01:41 and read 4673 times.

Quoting swissy (Reply 62):
Should he get a 5 grid penalty for the next race.... because of his avoidable incident???

Probably not, since he was already punished by his race ending on the spot. If he'd done a Vettel and taken Massa out completely but been able to continue himself, then he would undoubtedly have been punished by the race stewards. It's a subtle difference, I know.   

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: stealthz
Posted 2010-09-13 05:20:23 and read 4667 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 67):
OK, so he cut the chicane three times,

And changed his line to prevent overtaking at least twice, wonder how many times he did it off camera?

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2010-09-13 05:32:59 and read 4663 times.

Quoting swissy (Reply 70):
I do not think the Cosworth motor is the reason for driving around at the back... even with Renault power not much would change if they cannot improve the whole package for 2011.... sure would like to see Lotus again burning the rubber at the front of the field

That's why I said "if they build a decent chassis"!  
Engines do not do everything of course (otherwise the Renaults would compete with the Red Bulls), but having a good one does help. If I'm a team manager and I have the choice between a Cosworth engine and a Renault engine, I would not think twice.

[Edited 2010-09-13 05:33:50]

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2010-09-13 05:43:48 and read 4656 times.

Long Live the Pope!!!

(Schumi)

  

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: sudden
Posted 2010-09-13 10:22:08 and read 4599 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 67):
but it is a stretch to call it "unsportsmanlike behaviour". All he did was try his hardest at defending his position, which he is completely entitled to do, and got it wrong on a few occasions.

I found it fun to see him push that Williams to the freakin edge, slipping and sliding it making sure he kept Webber behind him! I tihnk he should be credited instead punished.


Quoting bill142 (Reply 68):
The weekend hasn't turned out all bad for Lewis Hamilton. It turns out he beat the Facebook car a 2-1 at Schiphol this morning.

And here is the video of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hTquNMN0K8 It's in Dutch, but you still get an idea. I could have seen this live as it's not far from my house.  
So they were actually using one of the rwy's. Was it only Bill142 and myself who took part of this via our Facebook accounts?

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: swissy
Posted 2010-09-13 14:21:41 and read 4564 times.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 73):
If I'm a team manager and I have the choice between a Cosworth engine and a Renault engine, I would not think twice.

No argue there however I guess the R engines are at a premium $$$, Williams is not doing tooooo bad with Cosworth 
Quoting scbriml (Reply 71):
Probably not, since he was already punished by his race ending on the spot. If he'd done a Vettel and taken Massa out completely but been able to continue himself, then he would undoubtedly have been punished by the race stewards. It's a subtle difference, I know.

I know it is all about the "IFs'... but my point all a along is: most of these thing happen because they are racing to the limit and once a while it goes bad.. no biggie I think.

Cheerios,

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: BlueElephant
Posted 2010-09-13 16:57:25 and read 4563 times.

Quoting sudden (Reply 75):
So they were actually using one of the rwy's. Was it only Bill142 and myself who took part of this via our Facebook accounts?

I would have but I didn't know about it.

I'm still confused as to what happened.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: cpd
Posted 2010-09-13 17:34:09 and read 4563 times.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 72):
And changed his line to prevent overtaking at least twice, wonder how many times he did it off camera?

The chicane excursions along with this weaving left and right should have resulted in a penalty. The chicane excursions let him maintain an advantage.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 69):
Well, the first step has been done: Cosworth reached an agreement to end the partnership with Lotus.

But the funniest thing is, the actual real Lotus company has done a deal to use 3.5L Cosworth engines in its Exos road-legal F1 style car.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2010-09-14 02:01:59 and read 4528 times.

The video clips.... with my modest tourist camera at work.
The Italian Grand Prix in real life from my grandstands and ground level.

  


Friday Practice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZZNUCp_wCY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOQfdYqEfG4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqmL08Fm5Io

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOPR1vuWsHI

  


Saturday Qualifyings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC5CJ3TRkT0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmJr3wo1Yu0

  


Sunday Race

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pR7zTypyTI

pre-race lap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igTA4bUhzEE

first lap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyu84ITWNYU


  

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2010-09-14 02:36:36 and read 4520 times.

Quoting swissy (Reply 76):
No argue there however I guess the R engines are at a premium $$$

I trust Gascoyne (a former Renault F1 member) to negociate a bargain   

Quoting swissy (Reply 76):
Williams is not doing tooooo bad with Cosworth

Not at all, but unlike HMT, Virgin and Lotus, they have been in F1 since 35 years or so with no interruption. They also are the third most successful F1 team in the history, so they have a background and experience that the other Cosworth teams don't have.

Quoting cpd (Reply 78):
But the funniest thing is, the actual real Lotus company has done a deal to use 3.5L Cosworth engines in its Exos road-legal F1 style car.

I guess the cancellation of the F1 contract does not affect the rest of their deals  

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: bill142
Posted 2010-09-14 03:34:20 and read 4514 times.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 77):
I'm still confused as to what happened.

Basically Hamilton had to drive 2.7km faster than what the Vodafone network could download 28800 facebook profile pictures. Users were asked to 'pledge' their pictures to create the facebook car, which Sudden and I did.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: cpd
Posted 2010-09-14 05:16:12 and read 4488 times.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 80):
I guess the cancellation of the F1 contract does not affect the rest of their deals

And I should correct my slip-up before, the Exos is not road-legal, it's simply a cheaper, easier to run F1 car for the track-day warriors. And it has its own starter motor built in.

Is the race-team Lotus even related now to the Group Lotus PLC (or whatever it is called now, aka the real Lotus car company)? I remember there was a legal stoush brewing between upstart F1 team and the actual proper car company over the use of the Lotus name.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2010-09-14 05:38:29 and read 4481 times.

Madame C, I stil envy you so much for being able to go to this particular GP  

a couple of questions; in the friday clip you were in front of the podium .. how come you weren't in the same spot on Sunday? The several times I attended a race the tickets were valid for the same position all three days, that's why I ask  

Also, from where you were on sunday, I can see a screen there but it looked pretty small ... were you able to follow the race from it?

thanks!


on other news, Pedro has been sacked and replaced by Heidfeld
http://www.as.com/motor/articulo/hei...ada/dasmot/20100914dasdasmot_1/Tes

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2010-09-14 05:39:12 and read 4483 times.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 72):
And changed his line to prevent overtaking at least twice, wonder how many times he did it off camera?

He is entitled to change his line to defend his position, so long as he does not weave about the track, and from what I saw, his moves were fair and above board. And since there is no evidence off camera of any alleged indiscretion, how are the stewards supposed to act?

Quoting sudden (Reply 75):
I found it fun to see him push that Williams to the freakin edge, slipping and sliding it making sure he kept Webber behind him! I tihnk he should be credited instead punished.

  

Racing should be encouraged. It was up to Webber to find a way around Hulkenberg.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2010-09-14 05:55:33 and read 4480 times.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 80):
HMT

I meant HRT (sorry, can't edit my post)...

Quoting cpd (Reply 82):
Is the race-team Lotus even related now to the Group Lotus PLC (or whatever it is called now, aka the real Lotus car company)?

Since Proton owns Lotus Racing (80% I think), I'd say they are related.

But the current Lotus F1 team has nothing to do with the "original" one, though the son of Colin Chapman approved the rebirth of the name.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: sudden
Posted 2010-09-14 08:27:57 and read 4459 times.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 85):
I meant HRT (sorry, can't edit my post)...

Admin, can we have a life time ban applied to this member! 

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2010-09-14 08:54:47 and read 4455 times.

Quoting sudden (Reply 86):
Admin, can we have a life time ban applied to this member!

You already tried several times and you did not succeed. Face the truth: you will never ever get rid of me!   

 

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: BlueElephant
Posted 2010-09-14 09:55:52 and read 4439 times.

Heidfeld to replace PDLR for rest of season at Sauber
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86691

Kimi is going after a Renault seat for next year.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86688
(I could only imagine how dull a Press conference would be if Renault got a 1-2  )



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 87):
you will never ever get rid of me!

Signed, B7474EVER..

oh wait.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: sudden
Posted 2010-09-14 11:41:36 and read 4434 times.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 88):
Kimi is going after a Renault seat for next year
Quote:
When asked what Petrov had to do to convince Renault that he is a better option than Raikkonen, Boullier said: "He is not very far away to be honest.

I find alot of things what Boullier says in this article pretty odd actually. Not long ago Renault said themselves that they had contacted Raikkonen as they want him for next season, and now Boullier comes over as Raikkonen is the one knocking on their door!?

Quote:
When asked what Petrov had to do to convince Renault that he is a better option than Raikkonen, Boullier said: "He is not very far away to be honest.


Raikkonen sure had his ups and downs in his last season, but to compare Petrov with Raikkonen is not very honest, if you ask me. Yes, I would like to see him come back cause when he's fast, he's fast!

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 88):
(I could only imagine how dull a Press conference would be if Renault got a 1-2

It would be go down as the shortest conference in the F1 history. 
I said it before and i say it again: Renault would for sure not have any internal fights as both of them couldn't care less about the other.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2010-09-14 11:47:35 and read 4434 times.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 88):
Heidfeld to replace PDLR for rest of season at Sauber
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86691


Oh no...... this is some really bad news!

I am losing my Pedro...      

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: stealthz
Posted 2010-09-14 16:49:54 and read 4416 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 84):
He is entitled to change his line to defend his position,

Only once.. he did it twice on the BBC feed shown on One HD here in Oz

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 84):
his moves were fair and above board.

Combined with him using a somewhat shorter track than others they were far from it!

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 84):
And since there is no evidence off camera of any alleged indiscretion, how are the stewards supposed to act?

There may or may not have been other indiscretions but the stewards do not have to rely on the broadcast feed(or any other video) to act.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: codeshare
Posted 2010-09-15 02:35:02 and read 4379 times.

Quoting sudden (Reply 89):
Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 88):
(I could only imagine how dull a Press conference would be if Renault got a 1-2

It would be go down as the shortest conference in the F1 history.
I said it before and i say it again: Renault would for sure not have any internal fights as both of them couldn't care less about the other.

Press: Robert tell us about the race.
RK: Well, we had a good start, the first stint was quite good, we had a good pit stop. Overall a good weekend.

Press: Kimi ?
KR: The car performed well.

:D

KS/codeshare

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: sudden
Posted 2010-09-15 02:54:41 and read 4379 times.

Quoting codeshare (Reply 92):
Press: Robert tell us about the race.
RK: Well, we had a good start, the first stint was quite good, we had a good pit stop. Overall a good weekend.

Press: Kimi ?
KR: The car performed well.

And questions from the floor would be totally out of the question as both drivers would have left after kimi's answer. 

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2010-09-15 03:11:13 and read 4370 times.

Seeing F1 on TV and being out there in real life are two completely different things!
TV is passive, you watch the race, you don't live it. You don' get the vibes... the atmosphere... the people that make the event....

        

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2010-09-15 14:57:14 and read 4326 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 94):
Seeing F1 on TV and being out there in real life are two completely different things!
TV is passive, you watch the race, you don't live it. You don' get the vibes... the atmosphere... the people that make the event....

I could not agree more. In fact, I used to like F1 and watch it ocasionally, but since I was able to go to the first ARG GP in 1994 ( or 93?) I fell in love with F1. On tv sometimes it can get boring .. being there no way!

Quoting codeshare (Reply 92):
Press: Robert tell us about the race.
RK: Well, we had a good start, the first stint was quite good, we had a good pit stop. Overall a good weekend.

Press: Kimi ?
KR: The car performed well.

that would be the case on a day they actually feel like talking to the press! 

I'll never forget how "happy" Kimi looked when he won the WDC. His face was the same I have when I wake up at 6am to go to work on a rainy monday morning!

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2010-09-16 11:30:12 and read 4292 times.

Grosjean will do some tests for Pirelli at Monza next week:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86719

It looks like it is only a test, though. Not a contract on the long term:

Quote:
AUTOSPORT understands that the agreement with Grosjean is just for next week's test so far, with a decision on who drives beyond that waiting until after the running is complete.

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2010-09-17 10:14:20 and read 4241 times.



   

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: sudden
Posted 2010-09-17 12:06:32 and read 4236 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 97):
Reply 97

Maybe he's not enjoying the company he had at that specific moment.  

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: bill142
Posted 2010-09-17 21:52:55 and read 4205 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 94):
You don' get the vibes... the atmosphere... the people that make the event....

I would agree with that. One advantage that TV has over being at the race is that you're often left in the dark about what's happening during the race as you don't get that information feed. Admittedly, with FOM understanding that the web is actually an important medium, this is improving with F1 iPhone and Blackberry applications. Another thing is that you can also hear the commentary on TV unlike at the race where it is drowned out by the cars. There are also those Kangaroo TV things, which I've noticed many of the teams use (I'd have thought they would have direct access to all the camera feeds)

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2010-09-17 23:21:45 and read 4198 times.

Quoting sudden (Reply 98):
Maybe he's not enjoying the company he had at that specific moment.


I see you did not get the catch. Use your brain for a bit.  laughing 

You haven't seen the other pictures with a big smile on his face.

[Edited 2010-09-17 23:32:01]

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2010-09-18 02:19:07 and read 4189 times.

Quoting bill142 (Reply 99):
There are also those Kangaroo TV things, which I've noticed many of the teams use (I'd have thought they would have direct access to all the camera feeds)

Kangaroo TVs appeared in the 24 Hours of Le Mans a couple of years ago. It's very practical. This year, they were renting it for €55 (AU $76 - US $71 - £45) for the two days of race. You have all the data (positions, lap times, best laps, number of laps, etc) and the TV feed on a small portable device. So you always know what is going on. I think it's a very very nice thing!  http://www.kangaroo.tv/

[Edited 2010-09-18 02:19:41]

Topic: RE: F1 2010: Italian Grand Prix - Monza
Username: stealthz
Posted 2010-09-18 05:30:57 and read 4177 times.

Quoting bill142 (Reply 99):
There are also those Kangaroo TV things, which I've noticed many of the teams use (I'd have thought they would have direct access to all the camera feeds)

I think the portability of the device appeals so they can wander around from garage to meetings etc and get an update!
Likely a transient technology as the improving functionality of smartphone apps makes them somewhat redundant.

Cheers


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