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Topic: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: JetBlue777
Posted 2010-12-12 21:26:53 and read 10978 times.

Since we have a thread about the best place you've ever been, I decided to create the opposite. It doesn't really have to be really bad, some place you expected to be soooo great but it's actually not that great as people said to be. I've gotta say mine has to be Hollywood, CA. I expected it to be glamorous but all I saw was hobos everywhere. Another one would be Los Angeles , oh the smog and pollution! Though I'm a fan of orange county and the outskirts of LA and of course, San Francisco. So I'm not hating on California!  in fact, it's the best state I've ever visited, but NY is better  

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: THEBATMAN
Posted 2010-12-12 21:36:57 and read 10966 times.

For me, LAX.    If I can help it, I will never set foot in that place again.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: vikkyvik
Posted 2010-12-12 21:42:53 and read 10961 times.

Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
Another one would be Los Angeles
Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
mine has to be Hollywood, CA

Hollywood is part of Los Angeles  

Just being a nitpicker  

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: iairallie
Posted 2010-12-12 21:49:15 and read 10948 times.

Bishkek ranks pretty high on my list of crappy places. Decrepit former soviet crap hole.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: BMI727
Posted 2010-12-12 21:49:29 and read 10950 times.

1. West Virginia
2. The American South (including any part of Missouri that isn't St. Louis or Kansas City)
3. Rome (Southern Italy in general isn't too wonderful)
4. Terminal 2 at JFK.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: type-rated
Posted 2010-12-12 21:59:36 and read 10939 times.

Huntsville, AB. Horrible city. I haven't been there in years. Last time I went the taxi driver was a woman that weighed in excess of 300 lbs, was taking swigs from a bottle of Jack Daniels while telling us that the water beds at the local Ramada were something else.
The mall we went to near the airport was filthy dirty. I vowed never to return, and I haven't.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: JetBlue777
Posted 2010-12-12 22:06:55 and read 10926 times.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):

I was being specific  
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):

you really hate Rome don't you?? lol

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-12-12 22:12:31 and read 10921 times.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 5):
Last time I went the taxi driver was a woman that weighed in excess of 300 lbs, was taking swigs from a bottle of Jack Daniels while telling us that the water beds at the local Ramada were something else.


That's it?
Despite the 300 ilbs part, she sounds like a pretty cool chick!
Any hotel with waterbeds is fantastic in my book.

Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
Hollywood, CA. I expected it to be glamorous but all I saw was hobos everywhere.


Those weren't hobos, those were transvestites. Hollywood isn't what it used to be in the 1950s but the place still has a soul unlike the rest of southern California.

Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
San Francisco


Tell us about your experience that made it so bad.


The worse places I've been would be parts of the south side of Chicago. East Saint Louis, Illinois, North Las Vegas, NV and Fresno, California.
Very rough environments with lots of crime, street thugs and people will be rude to you if you talk different.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: MoltenRock
Posted 2010-12-12 22:29:03 and read 10907 times.

Zagreb, Croatia
Salt Lake City, USA
Fresno, USA
Bremen, Germany
Ulaan-Baatar, Mongolia
New Delhi, India

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: BMI727
Posted 2010-12-12 22:30:59 and read 10902 times.

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 6):
you really hate Rome don't you?? lol

It's not a nice place. I didn't see much of Naples, but I don't think I really missed anything.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
East Saint Louis, Illinois,

If you're going to Illinois, you'd better keep going until you get north of Peoria.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: AR385
Posted 2010-12-12 22:49:49 and read 10866 times.

Hartford, Connecticut
Rio de Janeiro
Barranquilla, Colombia
Sugarland, Texas
Nuevo Laredo, Mexico
Managua, Nicaragua
Cancún, Mexico
Santiago, Chile
Barajas, Spain
Eagle Pass, Texas
Friburg, Switzerland
Venice, Italy
Ventimiglia, Italy
Genova, Italy
Reynosa, Mexico
Zurich, Switzerland
Lausanne, Switzerland
Berne, Switzerland

Why the grief about Switzerland? Essentially because it is boring. To the death. Yes, it´s pretty, picturesque, people are nice (Xenophobic) but nice. It´s just a boring place to be. You can easily Rosti, Raclette, or fondue yourself to death there. And boy, do Zurich people have an obsession with Lipton Lemon Iced Tea on Tetrabrick containers.

[Edited 2010-12-12 23:34:27]

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Pyrex
Posted 2010-12-12 22:56:43 and read 10851 times.

Arles, France
Vicksburg, Mississipi (heck, the whole of Mississipi)
Cordoba, Spain
Charles de Gaulle airport, France
Tahiti, French Polynesia

[Edited 2010-12-12 22:57:30]

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: ABQ747
Posted 2010-12-12 23:10:26 and read 10833 times.

Los Angeles, California
New Orleans, Louisiana
El Paso, Texas
Phoenix, Arizona

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-12-12 23:17:05 and read 10828 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
If you're going to Illinois, you'd better keep going until you get north of Peoria.


National Lampoons Vacation was no exaggeration when they got lost in Saint Louis. It was actually an accurate representation of East Saint Louis.
Richard Pryor (from Peoria) made jokes about getting lost in southern Illinois.
Rather than giving directions, they'll tell you a story and direct you to someone who 'might' have better directions.
That happened to us when we got lost in East Saint Louis in 1984 on our drive from Chicago to Los Angeles.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):
Rio de Janeiro


Did you not see all those hot babes on the beach?  Wow!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: bookishaviator
Posted 2010-12-12 23:21:49 and read 10822 times.

Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
Las Vegas, Nevada, USA

Various rural towns in China also fit the bill, despite many breathtaking (in the good way) experiences in that country.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: flymia
Posted 2010-12-12 23:26:49 and read 10814 times.

This is a pretty good question. I love traveling and always enjoy and airport or train station even if its terrible.
Since its airliners worst airport: FCO

Worst Place: I can not really think of one place I hated but I guess Canberra Australia. Just a pretty boring place. I went there for a basketball tournament but the city was just small and well boring.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: NWAdeicer
Posted 2010-12-12 23:29:36 and read 10811 times.

Just out of curiosity, why the hate for Italy?

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: AR385
Posted 2010-12-12 23:36:12 and read 10808 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
Did you not see all those hot babes on the beach?

The real hotbabes I saw, were rodando bozinha na Copacabana in front of my hotel every night. The nice, hot babes, are actually in Barra da Tijuca.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: BMI727
Posted 2010-12-13 00:25:58 and read 10765 times.

Quoting NWAdeicer (Reply 16):

I've heard that there is a marked difference economically and otherwise between northern and southern Italy, with the north being more well off, similar to America.

But Rome and Naples are dirty and cramped. Pretty much everything seems poorly maintained and little care is put into the appearence of things. If you want to know how old something is, find the earliest date in the graffiti. Plus it has a pretty uncomfortable climate. It isn't all bad though, Sorrento and the Amalfi coast weren't bad and the clutter and chaos of Rome definitely does not extend to the Vatican.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: OzGlobal
Posted 2010-12-13 00:37:08 and read 10758 times.

Have to agree about the chaos and filth of Rome, notwithstanding its historic value...

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 11):
Arles, France

Just curious, why Arles ??? Cold in winter, but amazing area...

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: gemuser
Posted 2010-12-13 00:37:46 and read 10761 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):
Venice, Italy

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Gemuser

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Vmcavmcg
Posted 2010-12-13 00:43:58 and read 10752 times.

Was just in Nouakchott, Mauritania. Can honestly say it was one of the worst, if not the worst places I have ever been. Spent 48 hours there and it seemed like 48 years!!!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: gosimeon
Posted 2010-12-13 00:44:27 and read 10748 times.

Skid Row in LA. Felt bad for the kids being brought up there TBH, pretty hopeless place. A real eye-opener though, so sad to see such squalor in a city with so much.  

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-12-13 01:08:42 and read 10721 times.

Quoting Vmcavmcg (Reply 21):
Was just in Nouakchott, Mauritania. Can honestly say it was one of the worst, if not the worst places I have ever been. Spent 48 hours there and it seemed like 48 years!!!

I'm reading stories that slavery still exist there.

here is a BBC article from 2004. Has anything changed in the last 6 years?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4091579.stm

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Braybuddy
Posted 2010-12-13 01:19:49 and read 10714 times.

In nearly forty years of travellng, I can truly list only four places I hated.

In no particular order:

Las Vegas
Singapore
Monte Carlo
Dubai

And I'm easily pleased . . .

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-12-13 01:24:41 and read 11268 times.

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 24):
Las Vegas
Singapore
Monte Carlo
Dubai


I think I know what you're getting at but Singapore?
Yes the place is boring but not offensive.
What was your experience?

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Braybuddy
Posted 2010-12-13 01:26:40 and read 11258 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 25):
What was your experience?

One big shopping mall. And no chewing gum. Spare me . . .

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Flyer732
Posted 2010-12-13 01:35:01 and read 11481 times.

N'Djamena, Chad... worst city in the worst country on the face of the planet. I've been probably 10-15 times and it always seems to get worse.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-12-13 01:37:25 and read 11472 times.

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 26):
One big shopping mall. And no chewing gum. Spare me . . .

I found the place to be very boring and strict. Nice people though.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: AustrianZRH
Posted 2010-12-13 01:48:28 and read 11451 times.

Aberdeen, WA. Simply an ugly town.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):
Zurich, Switzerland

My tip: hang out with foreigners, much more fun .

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: signol
Posted 2010-12-13 02:30:03 and read 11404 times.

Asuncion (Paraguay)
Bali

signol

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: afterburner
Posted 2010-12-13 02:31:31 and read 11415 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
I found the place to be very boring and strict. Nice people though.

But the girls there are mostly skinny. Definitely not your type. 

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-12-13 02:34:22 and read 11404 times.

Quoting afterburner (Reply 31):
But the girls there are mostly skinny. Definitely not your type.

...but fat in the right place.  

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: noelg
Posted 2010-12-13 02:56:11 and read 11380 times.

Difficult to say the worst place, as I am generally in "holiday" mode and enjoying places I go to  

London is definitely up there, it is one place that is just dire, dirty, noisy, smelly, rude people, just horrendous.

Paris is pretty similar, must be the "big city" syndrome (but then Singapore is a big city and was nice).

Brest, a town full of 50s and 60s concrete buildings, the surrounding area is pretty but the city is just a whole load of nothingness. Nicknamed "Slough-on-Sea".

Cologne, the city centre is pretty but walk 500 metres away and you are in some really dodgy areas. Not a nice place..

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-12-13 03:02:10 and read 11362 times.

Quoting noelg (Reply 33):
Brest, a town full of 50s and 60s concrete buildings, the surrounding area is pretty but the city is just a whole load of nothingness.

Sounds like a city that would have two large hills, very scenic, very warm and pleasant place to be....

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: SepulTALLICA
Posted 2010-12-13 03:36:36 and read 11349 times.

New York City - noisy, dirty, cramped and full of New Yorkers.

Chelmsford, Essex - Chav Capital City of the UK.

Milan & Bologna (where i currently preside) - fairly dull, gray, monotonous cities with crap weather 8 months of the year and thereafter for the other 4, its just plain lousy.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: MasterBean
Posted 2010-12-13 04:19:00 and read 11271 times.

Swindon town centre, it's full of pikeys and is pretty run down now.

Accesorize in Cirencester because it sells stuff which serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2010-12-13 04:43:01 and read 11242 times.

Paradoxically, the worst places I've been are the cities of my own region: Normandy. I'm not talking about small villages or small towns, and I'm obviously not talking about the countryside (which is beautiful), but I'm talking about medium-sized cities like Flers, Argentan, Saint-Lô, Lisieux, Vire, Falaise... all these cities that have been destroyed during WWII and have been rebuilt following the same pattern (which obviously was not the prettiest one). They had to be quick, so they did not really care about rearranging the cities as they were before. These cities are grey, gloomy, sad, ugly. I never feel comfortable each time I go to any of them.

As for my experience in foreign countries, I can't remember any place that I really hated.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: 11Bravo
Posted 2010-12-13 04:43:48 and read 11242 times.

Rock Springs, Wyoming
Bakersfield, California
Gary, Indiana
Houston, Texas
Oklahoma

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: lh526
Posted 2010-12-13 04:45:00 and read 11252 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):
Hartford, Connecticut
Rio de Janeiro
Santiago, Chile
Friburg, Switzerland
Venice, Italy
Zurich, Switzerland
Lausanne, Switzerland

I expected North Korea, Chernobyl, Pripyat or the Sudan to be listed here, but not these gems above!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: EI747SYDNEY
Posted 2010-12-13 04:47:42 and read 11234 times.

Hello everyone,

For me it would be

Los Angeles- Big disapointment-Smog everywhere

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: NoUFO
Posted 2010-12-13 04:51:42 and read 11230 times.

At least this question is easier to respond to.

Minsk, Belarus - what a depressing city
Leverkusen - ugliest German city I have ever been to, fortunately only for a couple of days

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 8):
Bremen, Germany

May I ask, what you didn't like? No offense, it's my birthplace, so I'm just curious.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: TZ757300
Posted 2010-12-13 04:52:20 and read 11221 times.

Los Angeles, CA
Pittsburgh, PA
Concourse D at PHL
Camden, NJ

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-12-13 04:57:38 and read 11232 times.

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 38):
Gary, Indiana

My hometown.
I agree. It's a dump.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: us330
Posted 2010-12-13 04:58:16 and read 11217 times.

Vang Vieng, Laos

Pretty little town, but corrupted by the westerners who go there to abuse drugs and "volunteer" in bars for free rent, taking away jobs from the locals.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: TurkishWings
Posted 2010-12-13 05:00:17 and read 11214 times.

Pattaya, Thailand.

Full of prostitutes and their very old Western lovers... And you can't tell if they are boys or girls. And the worst part is, most of them seem under-aged unfortunately....

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: STT757
Posted 2010-12-13 05:05:05 and read 11212 times.

Albany, NY
Brunswick, GA
Camden, NJ
Venice Beach, CA
Myrtle Beach, SC (beaches were nice though)
Naples, Italy

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 29):
Aberdeen, WA. Simply an ugly town.

Kurt Cobain's hometown.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: AustrianZRH
Posted 2010-12-13 05:24:01 and read 11197 times.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 46):
Kurt Cobain's hometown.

My girlfriend put it that way: "That explains his suicide..."

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: hka098
Posted 2010-12-13 05:34:05 and read 11139 times.

Bosnia, 1995. Pure hell

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Quokka
Posted 2010-12-13 05:42:32 and read 11132 times.

Cairo and Alexandria, Egypt.

Sure Alexandria's Corniche and my accommodation at the Helnan Palestine, next to Montaza Palace, were very nice but the building standards generally are very poor. While I was there last a multi-storey building collapsed. Fortunately it was a 'working" day and most people were out at the time and no-one died. Whatever building regulations may be in force are not enforced.

Cairo is massive, very crowded and very dirty. Buildings are incomplete, ostensibly to allow for expansion as families grow but in fact to avoid paying property taxes. As no-one wants to pay local taxes rubbish piles up in the streets and canals.

Even along the Nile, as one passes by villages aboard "luxury" boats one sees the rubbish simply thrown by the river as there appears to be no organised waste disposal.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-12-13 05:43:38 and read 11139 times.

Quoting us330 (Reply 44):
Vang Vieng, Laos

Pretty little town, but corrupted by the westerners who go there to abuse drugs and "volunteer" in bars for free rent, taking away jobs from the locals.

Thanks for the heads up. I've been wanting to go up to Laos to check it out. I can't stand those "volunteer" types you speak of. Lot's of those types down on Khaosan road here in Bangkok. They like to think they're somehow saving the world yet they contribute nothing to their host country. It's easy to set up a NGO in many developing countries.
I'll make sure to avoid that city when I do go to Laos.

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 45):
Pattaya, Thailand.

Full of prostitutes and their very old Western lovers... And you can't tell if they are boys or girls. And the worst part is, most of them seem under-aged unfortunately....

Most of those women are north of 40 and have lots of miles on them. They just look young.

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 42):
Concourse D at PHL

That ranks pretty high on my list as well.

Quoting SepulTALLICA (Reply 35):
New York City - noisy, dirty, cramped and full of New Yorkers.

 

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: ajd1992
Posted 2010-12-13 05:45:07 and read 11134 times.

My hometown, Runcorn. Click below for proof. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runcorn

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=5...tngH_N7-yr6g&cbp=12,100.38,,0,8.75

Local Swimming Pool. Council run, very not nice.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=5...zHlOnEzYrrpVg&cbp=12,102.92,,0,7.1

Pub I used to go to when I was underaged. Bit of a shit-tip. I got several glass bottles thrown at me from across the canal just up from where that google maps point is by chavs, put it that way.  http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=5...hRc8TMpFlAow&cbp=12,254.97,,0,4.45

These were the council built houses that were put up in the 60s as temporary housing for people being moved from Liverpool to the new housing estates in the surrounding areas. They were only recently knocked down, and a few are still hanging on. Credit where credit is due though, they are being knocked down eventually.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=5...1YXvfGd5CxJPg&cbp=12,33.86,,0,7.65

Herbie.  http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=5...l1hJljmodVsfw&cbp=12,170,,0,-15.38

Old Civil Service building my dad used to work in - it closed in 1999 and it's still there. People just break into it now and steal the odd things that are left (if there is anything left).

Honestly, cannot think of a worse place to be. High unemployment and a shit town.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Mudboy
Posted 2010-12-13 05:48:29 and read 11029 times.

In a marriage with the psycho fruitbat ex of mine!! ANYWHERE is better than that!! 
Seriously though,

Quoting type-rated (Reply 5):
Last time I went the taxi driver was a woman that weighed in excess of 300 lbs, was taking swigs from a bottle of Jack Daniels while telling us that the water beds at the local Ramada were something else.

That is the funniest thing I have heard in a while!! What is sad is I could actually picture her, as you were describing....

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: L410Turbolet
Posted 2010-12-13 05:59:07 and read 10996 times.

Ostrava, Czech Rep. - dirty industrial city and locals with laughable "pride" about their dump of a city

Dubai, UAE - everything's is fake

Los Angeles, CA - concrete nightmare

Glasgow, UK - strikingly similar to Ostrava

CDG airport, France - enough said

Ciudad del Este, Paraguay - incredibly dirty border city

Poipet, Cambodia - incredibly dirty border city, avoid it if you don't want to get a really bad first impression of Cambodia

[Edited 2010-12-13 06:00:45]

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: TransIsland
Posted 2010-12-13 06:21:47 and read 10937 times.

1. Tumbarumba, NSW/Australia

not a very close second: Memphis, TN/USA

and a distant third: Dortmund, Germany

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: ANITIX87
Posted 2010-12-13 06:31:44 and read 10916 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):
Why the grief about Switzerland? Essentially because it is boring.

I'm sure you're not the only one who think so, but you're honestly the first person I've ever encountered who didn't completely and utterly fall in love with Switzerland. I've recommend the place to tons of people (I'm very proud of my heritage) and all of them have come back saying it's their favorite place of everywhere they've been. Switzerland has amazing food, great wines, great scenery, etc. You mentioned, specifically, Lausanne, Berne, Zurich, and Fribourg. I noticed you weren't in the mountains. Take another trip there, if you want, and spend it in Interlaken, Sion, Zermatt, Verbier, St. Moritz, or Gstaad, when you can hike (in the summer) or ski (in the winter) and then come back to a chalet or hotel and have some amazing food with some amazingly cultured and open people. The Italian part of the country is also incredible, with Mediterranean climate (hot, humid, palm trees, etc) but towering mountains in the background. Lugano is a great city.

Quoting SepulTALLICA (Reply 35):
New York City - noisy, dirty, cramped and full of New Yorkers.

The New Yorkers and the bustling, crowded nature are the best part!!!! I'll admit parts are dirty, but Manhattan, especially the pedestrian areas at Times Square, Herald Square, Madison Square, and Union Square are amazing nowadays. The southern tip of the island has a fantastic culture and atmosphere.

TIS

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: alwaysontherun
Posted 2010-12-13 06:32:50 and read 10919 times.

Nobody mentioned Nigeria yet……………Oh well, then I will:

Nigeria!
Port Harcourt to be more specific………but I don´t go anywhere in that country anyways!
Long story………
Many many stories……...

###"I´m always on the Run"###

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: ajd1992
Posted 2010-12-13 06:41:21 and read 10915 times.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 55):

I'm sure you're not the only one who think so, but you're honestly the first person I've ever encountered who didn't completely and utterly fall in love with Switzerland.

I went to Geneva and I hated it. It was dirty, the people were rude and I got mugged at Geneva Central Station (not sure what it's actually called, but it's the big train station when you get on any train from Cointrin). The graffiti is bad too. I would never go back unless I had to. I'm sure Zürich is nicer, but as far as I have seen, Switzerland is not a very pleasant place to visit.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Hywel
Posted 2010-12-13 06:48:12 and read 10883 times.

I've been to several places which I haven't liked:

Las Vegas: Went there when I was 18 so I guess I wasn't able to "enjoy" the city in terms of alcohol and gambling. But I hated the tackiness and didn't feel safe walking down the Strip with all the Mexicans trying to jump you with flyers for prostitutes, and all the drug-addicted hobos walking around aimlessly.

Warsaw, Poland: The weather probable swayed my opinion here. I went in the middle of winter when there was freezing fog, and the entire city just seemed miserable and down. I didn't see a single happy person walking about.

Montreal, Canada: One of my worst holidays. It rained the entire time, the city was dirty, the people were rude, the hotel downgraded us due to "overbooking" but it seemed like they did it because we didn't speak French. The highlight was hooking up with a fit Israeli chick, but even that couldn't make me say I liked the city.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-12-13 06:54:54 and read 10881 times.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 55):
The New Yorkers and the bustling, crowded nature are the best part!!!! I'll admit parts are dirty, but Manhattan, especially the pedestrian areas at Times Square, Herald Square, Madison Square, and Union Square are amazing nowadays. The southern tip of the island has a fantastic culture and atmosphere.

My favorite borough of New York is Brooklyn.
Brooklyn seemed to have more of a soul, friendlier and I liked the Caribbean flavor of Flatbush & surrounding areas.
Manhattan just seemed rude for the sake of being rude. Dirty and very expensive.
I can only take New York in small doses. Maybe 3-4 days and that's it.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: max999
Posted 2010-12-13 07:09:05 and read 10865 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
I found the place to be very boring and strict.

My friend who lived in Singapore for two years said living in a cardboard box is more exciting than living there.

Regarding the strict part: another friend who went to an equality rally in Singapore (actually an LGBT rights event but they can't use the 'gay' word or else the govt won't approve the event permit)...said there were plain clothes police officers taking pictures. Obviously the Singapore govt still thinks gays are a subversive group and their presence was meant to intimidate.

[Edited 2010-12-13 07:28:55]

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Mudboy
Posted 2010-12-13 07:15:36 and read 10858 times.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 53):
Dubai, UAE - everything's is fake

AMEN AMEN AMEN!!!!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: 4holer
Posted 2010-12-13 08:11:41 and read 10766 times.

L.A., CA, - driving W on the I-10, everything after the windmills by Palm Springs is just crap. Tool got it right in Aenima.

Truth or Consequences, NM - Small for this list, but spectacularly wretched. And just when you think it can't get worse, it does.

Philly, PA - What a big buncha suck.

Ny, NY - See Philly ^^^

The State of New Jersey, USA

Sonoyta, Sonora, Mexico - The culture reset button on the way to Puerto Penasco, before the drug wars when it was safer to go there.

Indiana, PA - Went to college there. Haven't been back since the day of my last final back in the 80s.

Gallup, NM - Issues, man

Edit: Hate to do it, But I'll add Seattle, WA. Might be beautiful, but there was less than 1 mile visibility the duration of my visit. And I was so hungry the whole time! Impossible to find real food. If you don't like coffee or eating sprouts, you are going to suffer.

[Edited 2010-12-13 08:58:03]

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Stabilator
Posted 2010-12-13 08:24:49 and read 10747 times.

Grand Forks, North Dakota.

Inverness, Florida - Sorry Grandma, but that place was a dump.

Grand Forks, North Dak....oh wait.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: seb146
Posted 2010-12-13 08:50:28 and read 10714 times.

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 8):
Salt Lake City, USA

Huh? Really? It is not on my top 50, but I would rather be there than a lot of places. SLC sucks as there is no windows, but the town itself is okay. Unless one likes to drink.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
East Saint Louis

"See all the plight, kids?"

My worst would be:

Spokane, Washington (It's like Paris without the good food, good art, or good music)
Vallejo and Richmond, California (They are what Detroit could have been if not for auto manufacturing)

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Alias1024
Posted 2010-12-13 09:24:06 and read 10639 times.

Lancaster, CA - Makes Bakersfield look good. You've got to be spectacularly bad to do that.

Asbury Park, NJ - Drove by the beach on a summer night about ten years ago. Everything was boarded up and the only people on the streets were strung out drug addicts. Still don't know how I didn't get carjacked.

Saskatoon, SK - Sure it's terribly dull, but at least it is absurdly cold in the winter!

Orlando, FL - This city has no soul. It's just a large collection of housing developments and tourist attractions. Added drawbacks to Orlando include hurricanes destroying your house, alligators in your swimming pool, and hot and humid summers.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: AustrianZRH
Posted 2010-12-13 09:29:38 and read 10635 times.

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 57):
I went to Geneva and I hated it.

A friend of mine was robbed at knifepoint in his apartment twice in three years, so it's really not the nicest place of CH...

Quoting 4holer (Reply 62):
But I'll add Seattle, WA. ... Impossible to find real food. If you don't like coffee or eating sprouts, you are going to suffer.

What the hell did you do? Delicious clam chowder all over the place, crab sandwiches galore, grilled fish readily available. And enough places where you can get your default burger. I actually found the difference in food choice available to what I've seen in DEN, SLC, or - the hell - Kayenta, AZ very pleasing. Something else than burgers and steaks available...

[Edited 2010-12-13 10:07:20]

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: MoltenRock
Posted 2010-12-13 09:31:15 and read 10628 times.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 64):
Huh? Really? It is not on my top 50, but I would rather be there than a lot of places. SLC sucks as there is no windows, but the town itself is okay. Unless one likes to drink.

The place has no soul. The gay bars there are filled with spiritually abused and closeted Mormons / exMos. You can't talk about rated R or PG13 movies with clients, nor even have a damned iced tea with lunch. Not to mention the insane view on alcohol. Park City is gorgeous! But Salt Lake is a dump including the Great Salt Lake. The Lake smells like a shitter and has flies EVERYWHERE. On top of that the Mormons ruin what little there is left to tolerate about the toilet.

I actually gave away 2 clients with billings exceeding $1.8 million per annum to another Account Director at my company, just so I didn't have to go to that toilet ever again.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: ER757
Posted 2010-12-13 09:34:08 and read 10621 times.

Elizabeth and Jersey City, NJ - they should bulldoze both towns
Barstow, CA - spent a week there one afternoon
San Jose, Costa Rica - loved the country as a whole, but the city was awful

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 38):
Bakersfield, California

Yeah, I have relatives who live there - can't for the life of me figure out why. If the good Lord was to give the world an enema, Bakersfield is where he's stick the hose  

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: AR385
Posted 2010-12-13 09:36:10 and read 10609 times.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 20):
???????????????????????????????????????

I did not like the smell of the canlas, which basically make the entire city smell like drainage for many days on end. The big fat pigeons, those rats with wings, that DEMAND food from you, will poop all over your espresso if you are sitting outside and the wonderful St Marcos Cathedral was covered with scaffolding. Besides, I couldn´t shake that sinister feeling I got being in the city after having read one of Daphne DuMaurier´s stories. i also found many buildings to be covered wih ageless grime.

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 29):
My tip: hang out with foreigners, much more fun

True, after I met this group of Spanish guys and girls from Palma, things started looking up.

Quoting lh526 (Reply 39):
Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):
Hartford, Connecticut
Rio de Janeiro
Santiago, Chile
Friburg, Switzerland
Venice, Italy
Zurich, Switzerland
Lausanne, Switzerland

I expected North Korea, Chernobyl, Pripyat or the Sudan to be listed here, but not these gems above!

Of course. This is very subjective. You call them gems, I called them places I wouldn´t want to return to. I found Rio polluted, dirty, violent, dangerous and ridiculously expensive. Maybe in the 50´s or 60´s it was THE PLACE to be, and that image stuck. Nowadays, I´ll pass, thank you.

Hartford, I sincerely do not know how you can call that dump a jewel. You either have not been there, have some romantic image by watching The Gilmore Girls, or I really only stayed in the bad places. I find nothing redeeming about Hartford.

Santiago, outside Las Condes, is just a smallish city with poor neighborhoods and a severely polluted downtown area.

The places in Switzerland I already mentioned why I included them on the list. Pretty? yes, they are pretty. That´s not my issue.

Venice, see above.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 55):
I'm sure you're not the only one who think so, but you're honestly the first person I've ever encountered who didn't completely and utterly fall in love with Switzerland. I've recommend the place to tons of people (I'm very proud of my heritage) and all of them have come back saying it's their favorite place of everywhere they've been. Switzerland has amazing food, great wines, great scenery, etc. You mentioned, specifically, Lausanne, Berne, Zurich, and Fribourg. I noticed you weren't in the mountains. Take another trip there, if you want, and spend it in Interlaken, Sion, Zermatt, Verbier, St. Moritz, or Gstaad, when you can hike (in the summer) or ski (in the winter) and then come back to a chalet or hotel and have some amazing food with some amazingly cultured and open people. The Italian part of the country is also incredible, with Mediterranean climate (hot, humid, palm trees, etc) but towering mountains in the background. Lugano is a great city.

ANITIX87, please do not take any offense. This is a very subjective thread and sometimes opinions will be diametrically opposite. I do not dispute any of what you are saying, and again, my intention is not to offend anyone. Yes, Switzerland is a beautiful country and has fantastic scenery. But those are not the things I value when I am in a country. And frankly, endless green pastures surrounded by mountains are not exactly my idea of beautiful. It´s just Blah for me. Also, ski is not a sport I practice, follow or am interested in. And about the "open" people, I have my doubts, having spent time in Switzerland and having seen recently how they´ve been voting, and by default, that does not seem too cultured of the population either on my book. The food is not bad. But to me it´s bland and, yes, boring.

This is not a criticism of Switzerland, or of the Swiss, rather my impressions and my reasons why I do not think it is that great of a place to me. It is very subejctive and very personal. Please keep that in mind.

Regards.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: WrenchBender
Posted 2010-12-13 09:50:39 and read 10589 times.

Two places I really would not like to see again, Vladivostok, Russia and Callao, Peru, another spot that is borderline on the list is Qingdao, PRC all 3 have harbours you can walk across for the crap and solid waste floating in them.

WrenchBender

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2010-12-13 09:51:09 and read 10592 times.

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 66):

That ain't Switzerland, that's France. And a friend of mine was robbed at knifepoint in his apartment twice in three years, so it's really not the nicest place of CH...

And what does that mean exactly?  
Sorry, but I fail to understand the parallel between Geneva being France and your friend being mugged.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Cadet57
Posted 2010-12-13 10:03:14 and read 10561 times.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 46):
Albany, NY

Add Troy to that and you have a winner. I have the misfortune of being there every Friday. The capital region is the arm pit of New York, and thats saying something as NY on the whole sucks out loud.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 5):
was taking swigs from a bottle of Jack Daniels
Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
Despite the 300 ilbs part, she sounds like a pretty cool chick!

Yeah minus the whole open container while driving, she sounds like a gas!  worried 

[Edited 2010-12-13 10:04:21]

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: AustrianZRH
Posted 2010-12-13 10:08:04 and read 10554 times.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 71):
And what does that mean exactly?

Sorry, didn't want to offend you. That was entirely unconnected. The France stuff is just a running gag around Zurich, because Zurich people like their "clean, safe" Switzerland and they try to shove the problems in Geneva out of their clean country by saying this stupid stuff. Edited my post above to take this stupid joke out. My apologies.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: 4holer
Posted 2010-12-13 10:09:52 and read 10550 times.

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 66):
Kayenta, AZ

That's pretty hellish also! And Monument Valley is just up the road.

The whole Navajo Reservation area is very strange to look at. It can be simultaneously the most stunning and most wretched thing you've ever seen. Very odd to experience.

As for Seattle. This was in the 90s and I couldn't really tell you where in town I was. But we had a group of 4 wandering around for ages, and never did find anything on one evening.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: ER757
Posted 2010-12-13 10:20:34 and read 10523 times.

Quoting 4holer (Reply 74):
Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 66):
Kayenta, AZ

That's pretty hellish also! And Monument Valley is just up the road.

My one experience there was less than pleasant. Had been wanting to visit Monument Valley for many years and the day I passed through the area (including Kayenta) the wind was blowing at a steady 40 knots and I was in the midst of a sandstorm. Couldn't see more than a mile or two at best so there weren't many monuments or anything else to see. And let's not even start on the sandblasting treatment my car received while driving through this hellscape

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Luftfahrer
Posted 2010-12-13 10:31:51 and read 10502 times.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 53):
CDG airport, France
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 11):
Charles de Gaulle airport, France

Not too surprising, I happen to agree.

Other than that, there is not really a place that I recall as the worst I've ever been to. I just wouldn't go back to visit Albuquerque, NM for instance. Totally unlike the landscape, the city didn't impress me at all. My stay there was probably too short for a more elaborate review, though.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Andz
Posted 2010-12-13 10:46:28 and read 10419 times.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 11):
Charles de Gaulle airport, France
Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 53):
CDG airport, France - enough said

Enough said. Hell on earth.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: ANITIX87
Posted 2010-12-13 11:03:21 and read 10375 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 69):
ANITIX87, please do not take any offense. This is a very subjective thread and sometimes opinions will be diametrically opposite.

No offense taken! I'm sorry I came off that way. I was just surprised, as I haven't heard anyone say Switzerland bored them, yet, and was curious as to whether you'd been to the mountains. Of course everybody is entitled to their opinion, and I'm not going to get angry if somebody doesn't like Switzerland! If you don't ski and don't look particularly for scenery, then I'll admit Switzerland may not be the ideal place, haha. Again, no offense taken, especially as you have reasons! The xenophobic nature of the Swiss is a surprise sometimes, but stems from the fact that few Swiss ever move away (many think there's no real reason to, what with the wealth, health care, etc). They are most xenophobic towards the Portuguese and the Turks, much like Americans are towards Mexicans and other Hispanics. They also tend to be uncomfortable in English since most learn German and French in school. When I go to the German parts and need to communicate I often ask, "English or French?" and 90% of the people will ask I use French instead of English.

TIS

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: 2707200X
Posted 2010-12-13 11:05:07 and read 10375 times.

One truly hellish place I have been to is the Bellflower, CA DMV two years ago, the line was not moving and the guards where yelling at everyone after a couple of people gave some of the guards a hard time and a big mouth, the line was well past the door wrapping around the building in the 105 degree heat and the air conditioner was broke.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2010-12-13 11:30:25 and read 10333 times.

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 73):
Sorry, didn't want to offend you. That was entirely unconnected. The France stuff is just a running gag around Zurich, because Zurich people like their "clean, safe" Switzerland and they try to shove the problems in Geneva out of their clean country by saying this stupid stuff. Edited my post above to take this stupid joke out. My apologies.

No offense taken and thank you for your explanations  

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: flanker
Posted 2010-12-13 11:50:01 and read 10298 times.

Heathrow takes the win here.

and Carbondale,IL.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Wolverine
Posted 2010-12-13 11:51:43 and read 10305 times.

Budapest, Hungaria. The historical spots were nice, the rest dirty and grey.
Frankfurt, Germany. Here also some nice spots, the rest is just boring.

Worst airport, in my opinion, but I have to say, I'm no frequent plane traveller: Heathrow.

And where I'll never return to, is a hotel in London, unfortunately, I forgot the name. Unfortunately for you, if I'm lucky, I will forget the rest as well  

This place was just awful, dirty, loud, smelly. The floor was covered with sand. Ok, maybe the guests should feel like being on a beach, I don't know. But to find the hair and some suspect stains of the former guests in your bed, and their shoes under the bed, is just annoying.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: connies4ever
Posted 2010-12-13 11:56:25 and read 10285 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
3. Rome (Southern Italy in general isn't too wonderful)

Yah, wasn't all that impressed with Rome & S Italy, for same reasons explained in another post: dirty, crmaped, not very well taken care of.

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 8):
Zagreb, Croatia

Had a very nice lunch there one day way back in hte 70's - before everything went to hell.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):
Genova, Italy

   Armpit of Europe, IMHO.

Quoting noelg (Reply 33):
Brest, a town full of 50s and 60s concrete buildings, the surrounding area is pretty but the city is just a whole load of nothingness. Nicknamed "Slough-on-Sea".

Got bombed to ratshit in the war. No one in the 50s & 60s doing government rebuild work had any architectural imagination. It looks almost Soviet.

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 38):
Gary, Indiana


Another "mistake by the lake". best thing is the Interstate going through it.

And from my own country, I give you: Regina. Dead flat, no architecture, poor, not really going anywhere. They do have a decent football team, though.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: aerdingus
Posted 2010-12-13 12:01:52 and read 10268 times.

Veronicas Strip, Playa de las Americas, Tenerife

Filthy

Burned out ominous McDonalds

Thieves everywhere

Cockroaches

Sign on bar "No dogs, No Irish" hmmm..........

Syringe on the beach

Strip joint conveniently located next to accomodation

Prossies

Also told to stay away from it...but was kind of staying in it.......well it was 10 years ago maybe things have changed.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: hka098
Posted 2010-12-13 12:03:09 and read 10262 times.

I was also dragged to a Janet Jackson concert once. That was tough...

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: iairallie
Posted 2010-12-13 12:12:08 and read 10246 times.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 64):
Unless one likes to drink.

Fallacy. SLC & UT have a large number of award winning local breweries the private club rule is gone now.

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 67):
The place has no soul. The gay bars there are filled with spiritually abused and closeted Mormons / exMos. You can't talk about rated R or PG13 movies with clients, nor even have a damned iced tea with lunch. Not to mention the insane view on alcohol. Park City is gorgeous! But Salt Lake is a dump including the Great Salt Lake. The Lake smells like a shitter and has flies EVERYWHERE. On top of that the Mormons ruin what little there is left to tolerate about the toilet.

I actually gave away 2 clients with billings exceeding $1.8 million per annum to another Account Director at my company, just so I didn't have to go to that toilet ever again.

Sounds like you are a bigoted closeminded person who made up your mind about the place before going there and didnt' even make the effort.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: AR385
Posted 2010-12-13 12:19:04 and read 10239 times.

Quoting Wolverine (Reply 82):
and their shoes under the bed, is just annoying.

Mmmmh. Do you look below the bed in hotels as a usual practice, or only that one time? If you do it as a regular practice, please do tell how many more interesting things you´ve found. I´m fascinated now.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: PSA53
Posted 2010-12-13 12:24:31 and read 10220 times.

Ok,since I mentioned California as a "Best" equal time to the worst.

Bakersfield.(lol) Maybe the city council should vote to put out a sign,"The Worst Most Visited City""Have a great F*****g Day!"(lol) Did I swear? No, I didn't swear.I deny everything.(other thread)

Downtown LA-Alltough there has been improvements,it still has a lot of problems with crime and decay.
West LA-to condensed for me and people are just cold to me.
Fresno
Victorville

Other places:
Honolulu,Hawaii
Las Vegas,Nevada
Enid,OK and OK City.
Bahamas.While there is a lot of beauty.there a lot tourist traps filled with vendors.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: aloges
Posted 2010-12-13 12:28:59 and read 10214 times.

Ciudad Guayana/Puerto Ordaz, Venezuela

What a dump. Getting stuck there in mid-August of 2004 didn't help, but instead of giving me relief, the place only made it all worse.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Wolverine
Posted 2010-12-13 12:43:09 and read 10182 times.

No, I did only one time. Maybe it was all the sand on the floor, that made me curious, what was under the bed... I don't know.   

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Springbok747
Posted 2010-12-13 12:47:56 and read 10184 times.

Los Angeles, CA
Concord, NC
Canberra, Australia
My hometown - Adelaide, Australia
Coober Pedy, Australia - would never ever go back there again. A real hellhole if there ever was one.
Singapore - everything looks so fake, plus horrible weather (its always warm and humid)
LHR

Quoting Stabilator (Reply 63):
Grand Forks, North Dakota.

  

Add Bismarck, ND to that list as well.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: seb146
Posted 2010-12-13 12:48:39 and read 10168 times.

Quoting 4holer (Reply 62):
I'll add Seattle, WA. Might be beautiful, but there was less than 1 mile visibility the duration of my visit. And I was so hungry the whole time! Impossible to find real food. If you don't like coffee or eating sprouts, you are going to suffer.

Seriously? I have been all over Seattle and found every kind of food imaginable! Queen Anne probably has the fewest restaurants, but any kind of food is to be had anywhere in the Seattle area!

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 67):
The place has no soul. The gay bars there are filled with spiritually abused and closeted Mormons / exMos.

It is hard to get excited over a place who's foundation is squarely in religion, but I still say it is better than Spokane. I never found the gay bar in Utah. As far as I knew, I was the gay bar in Utah...

Quoting iairallie (Reply 86):
Fallacy. SLC & UT have a large number of award winning local breweries the private club rule is gone now.

I don't doubt the local brew scene is growing there, but when I was there two years ago, they were still advertising "private clubs" for the purchase of liquor (vodka, rum, tequila, etc.)

I would like to add that I was very dissapointed in Hollywood. We went to the Chinese Theater, and drove down Santa Monica Blvd to the beach. It was not all it is advertised, but still WAAAAAY better than Spokane!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Boeing744
Posted 2010-12-13 12:51:58 and read 10168 times.

Essen, Germany
Marysville, WA
Niagara Falls, ON and NY... The falls are nice, the towns suck.
Duncan, BC
Los Angeles, CA
České Budějovice, Czech Republic... Gorgeous towns nearby though.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: GoBoeing
Posted 2010-12-13 12:55:06 and read 10156 times.

Essington, Pennsylvania, USA (just west of PHL airport)


I sat here for several minutes thinking of more and I really can't. Boring ones come to mind (Atwater, California; Saskatoon, Canada), dirty ones come to mind (Sao Paulo, Brazil) but that little dump on the Delaware River seems to have a lot of all the negatives: crime, filth, you name it. Camden, right up the river around the corner, is just as bad.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Aaron747
Posted 2010-12-13 13:03:22 and read 10139 times.

Some of the worst:

Indianapolis. So bad I can't even waste neurons on it.
Ewa Beach/Kapolei, Hawaii - repetitive suburban wasteland in beautiful Hawaii? Shoot me now.
Culver City, California - LA is full of soul and interesting architecture. This town, however, is an absolute dump.
Fresno, California - everyone who's spent any time there says the same thing.
Florida - muggy, smelly, poor architecture, and gritty in all the wrong ways.
Vegas - couldn't pay me to live in the most fake city on the planet.

Yamashina ward, Kyoto, Japan - a suburb of Kyoto, just over the hill from beautiful Otsu on Lake Biwa and an absolute abomination to the eyes. Tiny houses and apartments, mostly concrete, some 1960s shades of yellow, all looking like a big fire waiting to happen in a little valley. As ghetto as Japan gets.

Boca de Tomatlan - supposedly an idyllic little beach south of Puerto Vallarta in the jungle. The fishermen were all suffering some sort of impairment, the village was falling apart, and the water lapping up on the beach smelled of feces.

Cambodia - generally awful. It's not the fault of the people who live there, but even a few hours there is highly unpleasant.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: lewis
Posted 2010-12-13 13:07:06 and read 10129 times.

I am surprised that Los Angeles gets so many hits, it is not that bad!

Mine:

*Brussels - the most boring place I have every visited, everything shutting down at 5pm etc, rude people, not much to do in the city.
*Palma de Mallorca - maybe it was the season, but the place was full of older German tourists and nothing more, beaches were nothing special, the city was nice.
*Frankfurt
*Bakersfield, CA - Can't see how someone can live there without being under the influence of alcohol or drugs 24/7/

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: JRadier
Posted 2010-12-13 13:29:49 and read 10102 times.

Mariupol, Ukraine - It's basically one big steelmill and the following quote from wikipedia basically says it all "Mariupol wins first place in Ukraine on volumes of emissions of harmful substances by the industrial enterprises."

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: L410Turbolet
Posted 2010-12-13 13:37:17 and read 10081 times.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 95):
Cambodia - generally awful. It's not the fault of the people who live there, but even a few hours there is highly unpleasant.

Is it really that bad? As mentioned earlier in my post, I crossed the border from Thailand at Poipet and got stuck there overnight. It was not a pleasant experience starting with immigration officers openly asking for a bribe, me being the only one having to go through some ridiculous medical check while crowds of Thais and Cambodians poured accross the border in both direction, to filthy hotel and obnoxious locals on motorcycles offering everything and anything.
For the first 12 hours I wasn't sure it was such a great idea to visit Cambodia, but then I had a nice stay and I really liked the sleepy provincial atmosphere of Battambeng and beaches in Sihanoukville. That said, I'd definitely to pay those extra 50 USD next time and flew with Air Asia to Siem Reap or Phnom Penh.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: JetBlue777
Posted 2010-12-13 14:00:50 and read 10032 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
Tell us about your experience that made it so bad.

It wasn't, I mentioned it because people might think I'm hating on Cali  
(its a great place btw)

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: JetBlue777
Posted 2010-12-13 14:08:23 and read 10012 times.

Quoting SepulTALLICA (Reply 35):

New York City - noisy, dirty, cramped and full of New Yorkers.

Oh no you didn't! haha, a lot of my friends outside from NY hate New York because it is noisy, some place (not all) are dirty and cramped as you said. And trust me, a lot of New Yorkers HATE tourists and you can easily single them out because they're the ones who walk REALLY slow on the subway, sidewalks and etc. But I like seeing tourists, glad that they chose my city  


and Apparently, alot of us have a common hate for Los Angeles! Big grin

[Edited 2010-12-13 14:15:14]

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Klima
Posted 2010-12-13 14:12:37 and read 9994 times.

Twenty-Nine Palms, California.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: BMI727
Posted 2010-12-13 14:17:20 and read 9963 times.

Quoting flanker (Reply 81):
Heathrow takes the win here.

I've only ever used T5, so my opinion of LHR is pretty good. Nice place really.

Quoting flanker (Reply 81):
and Carbondale,IL.

Like I said, don't go south of Peoria.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 83):
Yah, wasn't all that impressed with Rome & S Italy, for same reasons explained in another post: dirty, crmaped, not very well taken care of.

It just seemed like southern Italians are universally uninterested in maintenance and appearance. And the noise and shaking of the Circumvesuviana trains was unbelievable.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: flykev
Posted 2010-12-13 14:31:11 and read 9961 times.

Quoting SepulTALLICA (Reply 35):
Chelmsford, Essex - Chav Capital City of the UK.

Chelmsford, really?
I've lived there the last 3 years, and coming from Romford which is just 25 miles down the road; I have to say your wrong. Granted, its not the most exciting place ever, but compared to somewhere like Basildon (again, 15 or so miles away); it is certainly not the "Chav capital".

The worst place I have ever been has got to be Crown Heights, Brooklyn NY.
Basically I booked a trip to New York with friends on a low budget, and 4 weeks before we went the hotel we booked with shut; causing us to mass panic and re-book. Not reading well enough into the area we booked into a "hostel" in possibly one of the most deprived areas of Brooklyn. Certainly was an eye opener.
Here is a streetview of the location:
http://goo.gl/maps/Stp5

Kev.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2010-12-13 14:41:43 and read 9946 times.

Kaolack, Senegal. Lonely Planet said don't bother spending more than a day or two here; the locals in Ziguinchor said it was a flaming dump. Turns out, it's actually a dump, on fire. Or rather a series of dumps alight; as soon as we entered the town limits everyone in the bush taxi feverishly rolled up the windows. Still not as bad as the time I've spent in SVO. Both the old and new terminals at SVO are the worst airport experiences on earth; they should bomb them and start over.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Aaron747
Posted 2010-12-13 14:53:35 and read 9922 times.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 98):
Is it really that bad?

Yes...though my experience was soured somewhat by the bus that broke down twice on a muddy unimproved road.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Alias1024
Posted 2010-12-13 15:26:52 and read 9889 times.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 83):
And from my own country, I give you: Regina. Dead flat, no architecture, poor, not really going anywhere. They do have a decent football team, though.

The Riders are the main reason I put Saskatoon on my list instead of Regina. That and Regina is a little farther south so it is marginally warmer. Also, the casino downtown is kinda fun.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 95):
Fresno, California - everyone who's spent any time there says the same thing.

Spent plenty of time in FAT. All I can say for is that there's worse in California. At least isn't Bakersfield, Lancaster, or Barstow.

Quoting iairallie (Reply 86):
Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 67):
The place has no soul. The gay bars there are filled with spiritually abused and closeted Mormons / exMos. You can't talk about rated R or PG13 movies with clients, nor even have a damned iced tea with lunch. Not to mention the insane view on alcohol. Park City is gorgeous! But Salt Lake is a dump including the Great Salt Lake. The Lake smells like a shitter and has flies EVERYWHERE. On top of that the Mormons ruin what little there is left to tolerate about the toilet.

I actually gave away 2 clients with billings exceeding $1.8 million per annum to another Account Director at my company, just so I didn't have to go to that toilet ever again.

Sounds like you are a bigoted closeminded person who made up your mind about the place before going there and didnt' even make the effort.

While I'd disagree with a lot of what he wrote, he is right about the lake. It smells like an outhouse. Also, it would be a much more scenic place if not for mining. Ugly, gaping holes in an otherwise beautiful mountain valley.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: us330
Posted 2010-12-13 15:52:57 and read 9856 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 50):
Thanks for the heads up. I've been wanting to go up to Laos to check it out. I can't stand those "volunteer" types you speak of. Lot's of those types down on Khaosan road here in Bangkok. They like to think they're somehow saving the world yet they contribute nothing to their host country

These people don't even have that pretense. They are there purely so they can drunk and high everyday. Laos is beautiful though--well worth visiting--just not Vang Vieng. Go straight from Vientiane to Luang Prabang (which is everything that Vang Vieng is not--paradise and hell just four hours away from each other)

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: JetBlue777
Posted 2010-12-13 16:05:12 and read 9828 times.

It's funny how this thread got over 100 replies and the "Most Beautiful Place.." thread got 60+ 

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: lh526
Posted 2010-12-13 16:06:28 and read 9827 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 69):
Of course. This is very subjective. You call them gems, I called them places I wouldn´t want to return to. I found Rio polluted, dirty, violent, dangerous and ridiculously expensive. Maybe in the 50´s or 60´s it was THE PLACE to be, and that image stuck. Nowadays, I´ll pass, thank you.

Hartford, I sincerely do not know how you can call that dump a jewel. You either have not been there, have some romantic image by watching The Gilmore Girls, or I really only stayed in the bad places. I find nothing redeeming about Hartford.

Santiago, outside Las Condes, is just a smallish city with poor neighborhoods and a severely polluted downtown area.

Seems like we both have a point of truth here:

Rio ... depends on where you're going. extremely beautiful on one side, with awfuly dodgy ends on the other.
Hartford, CT ... checking my travel sketchbooks from back in the 90s I have to confess thate the nice places indeed are outside of Hartford.
And add Vitacura to the List of Santiago and where's in business  

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: PlaneWasted
Posted 2010-12-13 16:10:13 and read 9831 times.

Oulu in Finland. Worked there for a week or two. Boring, cold and small city. And the Pizza was bad everywhere. They did not like Swedes either.

[Edited 2010-12-13 16:11:15]

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: ER757
Posted 2010-12-13 16:17:57 and read 9808 times.

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 88):
Bahamas.While there is a lot of beauty.there a lot tourist traps filled with vendors.

Wow, it's been so long ago that I forgot. I need to add Freeport to my list. Great snorkeling but pretty much everything else bout the place is unpleasant - awful service, unfriendly locals, minimal transportation (at least back then) but on the plus side, we did meet a couple very cute and very friendly Canadian girls   

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: ShyFlyer
Posted 2010-12-13 16:45:39 and read 9793 times.

Prescott, Arizona. Toured the ERAU campus there, was not impressed with either.

Carlsbad, New Mexico. The only reason to go there is to tour the Carlsbad Caverns National Park.

I really don't think that LA would make my "worst" list but I really don't see any reason to go back there, other than spotting at LAX.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: thegreatRDU
Posted 2010-12-13 16:53:16 and read 9796 times.

Los Angeles, CA
Kinston, NC
CDG airport (racists)
Canada in the winter
Jasper, GA
Pomona, CA
Belgium ( In general)

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2010-12-13 18:10:50 and read 9740 times.

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 113):
Belgium ( In general)

...is the WORST place you've been? It may be a quiet place but if that's the worst place you've been you're doing pretty well

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: NoUFO
Posted 2010-12-13 18:13:28 and read 9738 times.

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 108):
It's funny how this thread got over 100 replies and the "Most Beautiful Place.." thread got 60+

I think that is because "ugly" is easier to define than "beauty".

Is this



more beautiful than this



or this?

http://www.bigcitypictures.de/images/product_images/small_images/Dresden-bei-Nacht-658-0.jpg

And those are only three places in Germany I have been to, not Europe or the world, and I would never say Germany was the most beautiful country.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: TSS
Posted 2010-12-13 19:05:52 and read 9687 times.

Quoting PlaneWasted (Reply 110):
the Pizza was bad everywhere.

I should say up front that I've never been to Finland, but sight unseen I wouldn't expect to get even a passable pizza there since not one component of pizza that I'm aware of is grown in Finland. Then again, I'm a big believer in sampling the local cuisine wherever I go, so I'd have only eaten pizza in Finland as an absolute, near-starvation last resort.

As for my "worst place I've ever been", it would have to be Akron, Ohio. Lots of cool art deco buildings downtown and almost all of them completely empty. In fact, the whole downtown area where I stayed was dang-near deserted, to the point of seeming like the setting for a Twilight Zone episode.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: NoUFO
Posted 2010-12-13 19:27:59 and read 9664 times.

Quoting TSS (Reply 116):
I wouldn't expect to get even a passable pizza there since not one component of pizza that I'm aware of is grown in Finland

Uh oh, you want to take that back.

Wheat:   
Tomatoes:   
Mushrooms:   
Onions:   
Cows (milk -> cheese + Salami):   
Pigs (-> Salami + ham):   
Not sure about corn, but I guess they have some as well

Quoting TSS (Reply 116):
Then again, I'm a big believer in sampling the local cuisine wherever I go

  

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: comorin
Posted 2010-12-13 19:40:57 and read 9646 times.

Every morning I wake up and feel so blessed to be living in New York City. It's hard for me to diss someone else's neighborhood, not just out of decency, but for fear that in my next life I might be born there.

With that caveat in mind, here are some pretty rotten places to be in:

Sao Paulo - blah sister of Rio. Rio can be a hell hole too, crime-wise, but it is also the most beautiful city I've been to.
North Philly
Baltimore Inner City - reminds me of the Bowie song - rats as big as cats...
West Virginia - I always think of 'Deliverance' and freak out...
Cleveland - Perfect combination of really lousy weather and run-down neighborhoods. They should do a Golden Triangle tour - CLE, PIT and Youngstown. Added bonus - go see Detroit.

and the winner of the 'Ugh Award' is...

Queens NY. There is something so soul numbing driving down Queens Boulevard (' Boulevard?' - the Champs Elysee of NYC? Hah!) with one ugly red brick building after another. What a depressing welcome to NYC as one rides down the Van Wyck. Tear it down and rebuild, I say. This is the heart and soul of 'meh' country.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-12-13 19:42:07 and read 9650 times.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 72):
Yeah minus the whole open container while driving, she sounds like a gas!

That doesn't bother me anymore. Used to seeing drunk taxi drivers here in Bangkok.

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 79):
One truly hellish place I have been to is the Bellflower, CA DMV two years ago, the line was not moving and the guards where yelling at everyone after a couple of people gave some of the guards a hard time and a big mouth, the line was well past the door wrapping around the building in the 105 degree heat and the air conditioner was broke.

You should check out the San Francisco DMV. Has all of the bad qualities of the Bellflower office but with eccentric San Francisco street people inside as well. I saw a guy there that was literally going up & down the long line tring to hit on every women. What's hillarious is that 6 different women gave him their number.
There is always a few characters in there.

Quoting hka098 (Reply 85):
I was also dragged to a Janet Jackson concert once. That was tough...

I was dragged to one too. The things we do just to get laid.   

Quoting TSS (Reply 116):
I wouldn't expect to get even a passable pizza there since not one component of pizza that I'm aware of is grown in Finland.

  
If you want the best pizza, you go to Chicago.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: TSS
Posted 2010-12-13 19:49:53 and read 9635 times.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 117):
Uh oh, you want to take that back.

Wheat:      
Tomatoes:      
Mushrooms:      
Onions:      
Cows (milk -> cheese + Salami):      
Pigs (-> Salami + ham):   

I stand corrected. The mushrooms, onions, and cow/pig products I'll give you without argument, but I've got to wonder about the relative quality/suitability for pizza of Finland-grown tomatoes and wheat due to the short growing season, the tomatoes in particular.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: 747m8te
Posted 2010-12-13 20:02:30 and read 9625 times.

Port Headland, WA, Australia...

I have been to many minging/heavy industry towns before, but this place has to take the cake as one of the crappiest dirty towns I have been to...the drive there from Karratha through barron open plains of nothing, was a more interesting experience then visiting this town!

Devonport, TAS, Australia...

This so called city has potential, good location, could be a nice river its on and has beaches to its coast, but potential is wasted by the local council, and the locals...many are just a bunch of redneck/bogan trash...who dish out random acts of abuse to anyone.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: seb146
Posted 2010-12-13 20:17:13 and read 9613 times.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 83):
Regina. Dead flat, no architecture, poor, not really going anywhere. They do have a decent football team, though.

Wha.....? Really? We were just there this summer and I thought it was a beautiful town! Smaller than I had imagined, but still very nice.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 115):
And those are only three places in Germany I have been to, not Europe or the world, and I would never say Germany was the most beautiful country.

I don't know about anyone else, but I find it difficult to name just a few beautiful places. Opposed to ugly places. Like Spokane.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: FlyDeltaJets87
Posted 2010-12-13 20:23:24 and read 9612 times.

New Jersey.

This thread can now be locked.   

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Aloha717200
Posted 2010-12-13 20:35:56 and read 9596 times.

Some of these are really surprising!

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 11):
Tahiti, French Polynesia

Why?

Quoting bookishaviator (Reply 14):
Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

What was wrong with the Gold Coast? I haven't been, but I've wanted to pay it a visit. Advice?

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 67):
But Salt Lake is a dump including the Great Salt Lake. The Lake smells like a shitter and has flies EVERYWHERE. On top of that the Mormons ruin what little there is left to tolerate about the toilet.

I'll agree that the lake itself is pretty gross, but aside from that, I find SLC to be one of the most scenic, interesting places I've been. It's not without it's problems, though. There's the mormon component to things if that bothers you, and West Valley is a shithole in some areas. (There's a Dee's that I really enjoy in West Valley, but I only go during the daylight.) It does seem in recent years that SLC has felt less and less comfortable at night, seems gangs are moving in from elsewhere or sprouting locally, but nevertheless, it is on a downhill slide in terms of safety. But besides that, SLC remains one of the safer large-ish metropolitan areas, the mountains are absolutely breathtaking, there's plenty of SAFE suburbs nearby (West Jordan, or further south, Provo and Orem are good places to live), and if you drive west on I-80 you get those gorgeous salt flats in the west desert. Think what you will about the lake, those salt flats are stunningly beautiful, especially when they flood in the springtime. SLC has a really nice downtown area too, very well kept and great food.

Honestly, the whole state of Utah is just a treasure trove of fascinating landscapes and scenery. Everyone should visit the state in their lifetime.

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 88):
Honolulu,Hawaii

Too commercialized?

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 91):
My hometown - Adelaide, Australia

I've been there. I quite liked it.

Quoting 4holer (Reply 74):
he whole Navajo Reservation area is very strange to look at. It can be simultaneously the most stunning and most wretched thing you've ever seen. Very odd to experience.

Oh man, I LOVED Monument Valley. Absolutely loved it. I can understand bad weather leaving a bad impression, the but night I spent at Monument Valley with my fiancee at the View Hotel was one of the most memorable evenings of my lifetime. The sky was gorgeous, the landscape was gorgeous, the food was delicious, the movies were charming, the temperature was perfect, the room was the largest I've ever stayed in, and let's just say it all set the mood for a VERY passionate evening with my girl. I can't wait to return to Monument Valley.


I suppose I should add my list.

Susanville, CA - Had a gun shoved in my face here. Crazy people.

East Los Angeles, CA - Wound up here by accident. Glad nothing happened to us...

Reno, NV - Fake as hell. Including the hobos. Lots of people pretend to be homeless here to just to get money or food off of you. Lots of people out late at night, dealing or buying drugs. Unpleasant.

Holiday Inn, San Jose, CA - the city was alright, but this hotel was an absolute hellhole dive. Holes in the wall, faucet handles broke off in your hand, unclean, falling apart. Awful hotel.

Victorville, CA - Drove through here at night. I thought I'd like it considering VCV nearby, but honestly couldn't wait to get out of there. The place feels downright scary at night.

Newport, OR- Smelled of rotten fish guts. Ate here, found out to our dismay that a fish cannery was right across the street from the restaurant we chose. It was very difficult to eat our meal. Smelliest town I've ever experienced.

Jackson Hole, WY - Didn't like the atmosphere. People seemed rude, hard to drive around there at night due to their light pollution ordinance, and everything is insanely expensive. Have no interest in this city, just the mountains that accompany it.

Ucon, ID - It's like a giant garbage dump. An eyesore when you drive through there.
Evidence: http://tinyurl.com/2fjglqo

Ogden, UT - Unless you know where's safe and where isn't, Ogden isn't the best place to drive around in. Roy isn't too bad, though.

North Salt Lake, UT - Just south of Bountiful, which is a beautiful city, great views, great people, clean neighborhoods. A great place to live...but once you get to North Salt Lake, you have to deal with the SMELL and smog of what I believe is a refining factory just on the other side of I-15. It smells like a sewage treatment plant, but the Flying J logo is plastered all over the darn thing. It smells terrible and the whole area has a very "industrial" feel to it. Hardly what I'd call paradise. I hate driving by it due to the stench. Locals: This is the spot I'm talking about: http://tinyurl.com/2ct88kc

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Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: TOMMY767
Posted 2010-12-13 20:59:01 and read 9591 times.

I've driven through a lot of America. IMHO, bottom of the list has to be Baltimore or Phoenix and Houston is a dump as well (I'm partial to Austin and Dallas.) The worst might be Manhattan though. I'm starting work there this week and it's asinine compared to what I was used to out in Los Angeles. Having said that, I'm very pumped to start my new job.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: 474218
Posted 2010-12-13 21:04:33 and read 9583 times.

I have have visited 20 plus countrys and all but five (5) of the United States and have yet to find a place they I didn't like. Granted there were some that I didn't like as much but, I loved to travel, meet people, learn their customs and enjoy their food.

That said there were a few places I was not un-happy to leave, like Abu Dhabi in August. Working outside when the temperature is 113F (45C) is not really my cup of tea and I really didn't like working outside in Toronto at -10 (-23C). But both are place I enjoyed visiting.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Stabilator
Posted 2010-12-13 21:40:34 and read 9529 times.

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 108):
It's funny how this thread got over 100 replies and the "Most Beautiful Place.." thread got 60+ 

I agree! Perhaps I should have been a bit more general than "the MOST". I hope people will keep posting their favorites.

I enjoy this thread though, I now know where not to visit .

Also, to stay on topic, I'll add Honolulu, HI, save the beach, to my list of least favorite places.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: YVRLTN
Posted 2010-12-13 21:42:45 and read 9533 times.

For me, it was Johannesburg and Nairobi. Dumps and didnt feel safe in either of those... Blantyre (Malawi) and Dar Es Salaam (Tanzania) were also dumps, but loved the people and all my trips there, so wouldnt put them on my worst list for that reason.

Quoting SepulTALLICA (Reply 35):
Chelmsford, Essex - Chav Capital City of the UK

Ever been to Basildon or Tilbury? LOL

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 113):
Canada in the winter

12 degrees here in YVR today. Last year we had zero snow fall and it barely went below freezing in the city. But it does rain though...

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: ual777
Posted 2010-12-13 21:53:13 and read 9526 times.

Quoting Klima (Reply 101):
Twenty-Nine Palms, California.

Agree. Absolute shithole. Nothing like the smell of raw sewage every morning to get the senses flowing.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: bookishaviator
Posted 2010-12-13 23:44:30 and read 9462 times.

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 8):
Zagreb, Croatia

Very intrigued to know what turned you off about Zagreb.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 91):
Canberra, Australia

I don't mind spending time in Canberra. I know I shouldn't admit that in public.

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 124):
What was wrong with the Gold Coast? I haven't been, but I've wanted to pay it a visit. Advice?

Dirty, tacky, largely controlled by developers who have no sense of aesthetics or culture. Really lacks soul. A perfect example of how to completely ruin an otherwise beautiful coastline. Go to the Gold Coast, see it for yourself... then hire a car and drive yourself an hour and a half south to Byron Bay. You'll be happier for it. There are so many wonderful destinations in Australia, but in my opinion the Gold Coast ain't one of them.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: KiwiRob
Posted 2010-12-13 23:57:06 and read 9464 times.

Astrakhan, Russia, a tip if ever there was one, hot dirty, smelly, no decent hotels, not a place I will go to again if I can help it.
Kherson, Ukraine, the worst hellhole in a country full of hellholes, dirty, cold, no decent hotel or places to eat.

Why don't people living in the former CIS have any pride in the places they live in, Russian and Ukrainian cities are dirty, people just throw crap everywhere, people just don't appear to care.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: PlaneWasted
Posted 2010-12-14 02:40:27 and read 9405 times.

Quoting TSS (Reply 116):
I should say up front that I've never been to Finland, but sight unseen I wouldn't expect to get even a passable pizza there since not one component of pizza that I'm aware of is grown in Finland. Then again, I'm a big believer in sampling the local cuisine wherever I go, so I'd have only eaten pizza in Finland as an absolute, near-starvation last resort.

Pizza is local cuisine in Sweden, Norway and Finland. They are not as the Italian pizzas, but they are nice in other ways. The ones in Oulu are bad.

And we put many strange things on our pizzas. My favorite is the kebabpizza. Lot's of kebab meat and garlic sauce.  Smile

[Edited 2010-12-14 02:45:53]

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Quokka
Posted 2010-12-14 03:26:26 and read 9371 times.

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 121):
Port Headland, WA, Australia...


Sorry mate: that's Port Hedland. Don't worry too much. Even QF has made that mistake in the past.  

But you are right. The town only exists as the port through which iron ore is shipped overseas and salt is mined. At least the other end of the railway at Newman has some pleasant mountain scenery along the way.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2010-12-14 04:06:53 and read 9336 times.

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 113):
Belgium ( In general)

Seriously? What do you dislike so much about Belgium?

I've always enjoyed this country: good food, friendly people, nice areas like Brugges or Spa in the Ardennes. Now of course there are areas that are not really nice (like in all countries, I guess), but still, putting "Belgium in general" seems a bit harsh to me  

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: luckyone
Posted 2010-12-14 04:08:39 and read 9338 times.

Quoting Andz (Reply 77):

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 11):
Charles de Gaulle airport, France
Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 53):
CDG airport, France - enough said

Enough said. Hell on earth.

I take it none of you have had the pleasure of checking in at EVN in the middle of the night  

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: simonriat
Posted 2010-12-14 04:17:33 and read 9331 times.

Ok really starting to worry now. Probably not the place to ask but feel the need to now.

Many of you have mentioned LA. I am planning on taking my wife and 3 children there next year. Well not LA in particular, Anaheim (disney) and San Diego, but I was planning a trip in to LA and having a look at things like rodeo drive, and where the stars on the sidewalk are. Is it really that bad? are my family going to be safe travelling thorugh LA.

Sorry just really starting to worry.

And to add my 2 pennies

1. Edinburgh. Scotland
2. Scotland in general, beautiful country shame about the people.
3. Paris. Again beautiful city but shame about the people.
4. Hammamet. Tunisia

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: RussianJet
Posted 2010-12-14 05:01:07 and read 9286 times.

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 8):
Bremen, Germany

What on earth is so wrong with Bremen???????

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: iflykpdx
Posted 2010-12-14 05:40:28 and read 9261 times.

I will add to the CA hate with my addition of Sacramento. Hotter than hell in the summer and occasionally covered in smoke from forest fires. Unfortunate so many of my relatives live there.

And there a fewer places I'd rather not be than Spokane, WA. Ugh, awful. The entire eastern side of the state is just about as bad as ND.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Revelation
Posted 2010-12-14 05:44:10 and read 9266 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):
Hartford, Connecticut
Quoting AR385 (Reply 69):
Hartford, I sincerely do not know how you can call that dump a jewel.

How exciting can you expect a place called the Insurance City to be?

Bad planning/luck on your part to be stuck there.

But not the absolute worst place in Connecticut to be stuck:

Williamantic: 100% shit hole. You can't even get anywhere interesting from there. I don't know why they even bothered to put in public sewerage because every where you go there's shit anyway.

Bridgeport: Trying to compete with New Jersey for scummiest shoreline. A few nice neighborhoods on the edge of town surrounding a shit hole of a city, with plenty of hell hole ghetto neighborhoods mixed in.

New Haven: Take away Yale, and the rest is just an extension of Bridgeport.

Waterbury: Bridgeport's little sister, without the shoreline.

New London: Scummy old navy town. Can't think of a single reason to spend any time there.

The rest of the state: Boring suburbia.

Quoting comorin (Reply 118):
Sao Paulo - blah sister of Rio. Rio can be a hell hole too, crime-wise, but it is also the most beautiful city I've been to.
North Philly
Baltimore Inner City - reminds me of the Bowie song - rats as big as cats...
West Virginia - I always think of 'Deliverance' and freak out...
Cleveland - Perfect combination of really lousy weather and run-down neighborhoods. They should do a Golden Triangle tour - CLE, PIT and Youngstown. Added bonus - go see Detroit.

and the winner of the 'Ugh Award' is...

Queens NY. There is something so soul numbing driving down Queens Boulevard (' Boulevard?' - the Champs Elysee of NYC? Hah!) with one ugly red brick building after another. What a depressing welcome to NYC as one rides down the Van Wyck. Tear it down and rebuild, I say. This is the heart and soul of 'meh' country.

I have to give your entire post three big thumbs up:

        

Especially:

Quoting comorin (Reply 118):
What a depressing welcome to NYC as one rides down the Van Wyck.

I remember going through there in the 1970s and the shoulder of the Van Wyck was littered with hulks of cars up on blocks, every usable part stripped off, and the rest burnt.

Indeed, what a starling first impression to give the tourists.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-12-14 05:54:03 and read 9255 times.

Quoting iflykpdx (Reply 138):
I will add to the CA hate with my addition of Sacramento. Hotter than hell in the summer and occasionally covered in smoke from forest fires. Unfortunate so many of my relatives live there.

Maybe hard to believe but Sacramento is the crown jewel of the Central Valley.
As others have mentioned, other cities in the Central Valley are complete dumps such as Fresno and Bakersfield.
Sacramento has a few neat stores, some history, normal people trees and a handful of intellectuals that work for the state and the university. It's not all bad.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: iakobos
Posted 2010-12-14 06:27:33 and read 9232 times.

Quoting lewis (Reply 96):
*Brussels - the most boring place I have every visited, everything shutting down at 5pm etc, rude people, not much to do in the city.

Your tour guide was Greek and you visited on an icy November 1st ? you are joking, right ?

For as long as rankings exist, Brussels remains in the top 10 most liveable cities in Europe.

If you want to see dull cities, get a ticket to Tirana, Helsinki, Oslo, Bucharest and most of the former USSR and some of its satellites (and everywhere in Scotland).

If it is about dumps & slums, you can put almost all African cities in the same bag and on the bottom will be Lagos, Kinshasa, Nairobi, Cairo, Freetown, Monrovia, Bangui, Ndjamena.

If it is about not feeling safe, Johannesburg gets my vote, largely exceeding Beirut's green line at night (and I did cross it several times, 20 years ago !)

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: steeler83
Posted 2010-12-14 07:20:57 and read 9204 times.

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 12):
New Orleans, Louisiana

I actually thought that the Big Easy was rather nice. It was one of my favorite road trips. Then again, I was there roughly 8 months exactly before Katrina...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 34):
Quoting noelg (Reply 33):
Brest, a town full of 50s and 60s concrete buildings, the surrounding area is pretty but the city is just a whole load of nothingness.

Sounds like a city that would have two large hills, very scenic, very warm and pleasant place to be....

Thanks for the laugh!

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 42):
Pittsburgh, PA

No... Unless you're talking about the Hill District, Homewood, or Beltzhoover, the armpits of that town, then no. Sorry...

Although, that city is almost impossible to navigate. I grew up there, but you cannot navigate downtown without almost causing 10 wrecks with that whacky street layout. I find that city to be rather nice since they cleaned it up after the steel mills closed. So, not one of the worst places I've gone to...

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 42):
Camden, NJ
Quoting STT757 (Reply 46):
Camden, NJ

Now, I agree with that. IMO this, and Chester, PA, are two of the worst places I've been to. You need a gun and a bullet-proof vest to take a stroll through Chester!

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 65):
Asbury Park, NJ - Drove by the beach on a summer night about ten years ago. Everything was boarded up and the only people on the streets were strung out drug addicts. Still don't know how I didn't get carjacked.

Yeah, news flash: that was 10 years ago. I got married near there 2 months ago and they really cleaned it up over the years. Of course, the town could do better by doing away with the paid parking during the off-season, and charging to park on a Sunday? Are they serious?

Well, having said all that: my list of worst places:
Camden, NJ and Chester, PA: see above
Uniontown, PA. It's hick central. I got lost there once with my parents, and we went into a gas station asking for directions, and they just looked at us like we had 5 heads...

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: 2H4
Posted 2010-12-14 07:23:19 and read 9198 times.

Newark. The city and outlying area...not the airport. Whomever was most responsible for the disarray and general stupidity that is their system of roads and highways should be jailed for life.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: TOMMY767
Posted 2010-12-14 07:33:20 and read 9190 times.

Quoting simonriat (Reply 136):
Many of you have mentioned LA. I am planning on taking my wife and 3 children there next year. Well not LA in particular, Anaheim (disney) and San Diego, but I was planning a trip in to LA and having a look at things like rodeo drive, and where the stars on the sidewalk are. Is it really that bad? are my family going to be safe travelling thorugh LA.

I lived in LA for 5 years and it's an AMAZING city but it's also an acquired taste. It's still my favorite city in America. Don't let the haters spoil your visit. They will likely go and tell you how great and clean Seattle and San Francisco are compared to Los Angeles but they are also ignorant to the fact that LA is the most important and economically powerful city on the west cost. I'd avoid hollywood if I were you and take the wife and kids to Santa Monica. If you get any alone time with the wife take her out to dinner in Silver Lake. She WILL love it.

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 143):
Newark. The city and outlying area...not the airport. Whomever was most responsible for the disarray and general stupidity that is their system of roads and highways should be jailed for life.

The whole state of NJ has a horrible network for roadways and signage. Newark is a dump so is:
Asbury Park, NJ (hopefully it will get better)
Camden, NJ
Staten Island, NY (yikes)
Hillside, NJ

NJ has a huge problem with gentrification. It takes 20-30 years to get places cleaned up. Hoboken and Jersey City are 2 places which have come a long way and they are still not perfect. NJ is one of the richest states in the US and it pains me to see how so many areas within the state are total s*itholes with no relief in site because the state is "broke" (yet the takes are off the wall.)

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: tarheelwings
Posted 2010-12-14 07:40:06 and read 9172 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):
Santiago, Chile

Santiago Chile? Gee, what a surprise, an Argentinian making a negative comment about a Chilean city 

I've been to Santiago and found it to be a wonderful city....and btw, I've also been to Buenos Aires and thought it was very nice.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: comorin
Posted 2010-12-14 08:15:46 and read 9129 times.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 139):
But not the absolute worst place in Connecticut to be stuck:

Williamantic: 100% shit hole. You can't even get anywhere interesting from there. I don't know why they even bothered to put in public sewerage because every where you go there's shit anyway.

Bridgeport: Trying to compete with New Jersey for scummiest shoreline. A few nice neighborhoods on the edge of town surrounding a shit hole of a city, with plenty of hell hole ghetto neighborhoods mixed in.

New Haven: Take away Yale, and the rest is just an extension of Bridgeport.

Waterbury: Bridgeport's little sister, without the shoreline.

New London: Scummy old navy town. Can't think of a single reason to spend any time there.

The rest of the state: Boring suburbia.

   Totally. I feel your pain, I lived in Stamford for a year. There are plenty of lousy places to be elsewhere, like Newark, but at least you won't die of boredom there. The ennui in CT is in the air, and pervades all living things.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Flighty
Posted 2010-12-14 08:32:11 and read 9120 times.

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 12):
Phoenix, Arizona

Yup. Beautiful state, ugly / poorly laid out city.

Flint, Michigan.
Eureka, California.
Boston. (sorry! I hate it)
Orlando.
South Dakota.
Omaha.
Coos Bay, Oregon.
Atlanta.
Gary, Indiana.
Landover, Maryland.

Not going to judge other countries. But, places that have been ruined by un-colorful squalor (like Flint), OR tourist meccas (like say the Great Wall of China) crawling with camera-toting families, really are put-offs. Often, tourism can ruin what used to be something good.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: TSS
Posted 2010-12-14 08:54:12 and read 9098 times.

Quoting PlaneWasted (Reply 132):
Pizza is local cuisine in Sweden, Norway and Finland. They are not as the Italian pizzas, but they are nice in other ways.

Huh... I learn something new every day. So Swedish, Norwegian, and Finnish pizzas are to traditional Italian "pizza" as apple martinis, chocolate martinis, etc., are to traditional martinis: Same serving method and general layout, but entirely different otherwise?

Quoting PlaneWasted (Reply 132):
And we put many strange things on our pizzas. My favorite is the kebabpizza. Lot's of kebab meat and garlic sauce.   

A definite "yes!" from me on the kebab meat, but a "hmmm...?" from me on the garlic sauce bit. I'd be willing to try a slice, though.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: 747m8te
Posted 2010-12-14 08:54:59 and read 9095 times.

Quoting Quokka (Reply 133):
Sorry mate: that's Port Hedland. Don't worry too much. Even QF has made that mistake in the past.

lol funny you should mention the spelling of the name...i got two fridge magnets (i usually get magnets everywhere i go lol) and one had the same spelling error too lol

Quoting bookishaviator (Reply 130):
I don't mind spending time in Canberra. I know I shouldn't admit that in public.

hmmm Canberra is ok to visit....once...then after that one time you won't have any need to return...nothing more to see there lol its got a couple of interesting museums and memorial but thats about it.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Revelation
Posted 2010-12-14 09:12:42 and read 9082 times.

Quoting comorin (Reply 146):
Totally. I feel your pain, I lived in Stamford for a year. There are plenty of lousy places to be elsewhere, like Newark, but at least you won't die of boredom there. The ennui in CT is in the air, and pervades all living things.

For this and several other posts, welcome to my RU list!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: JRadier
Posted 2010-12-14 09:49:02 and read 9046 times.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 131):
Ukrainian cities are dirty, people just throw crap everywhere, people just don't appear to care.

Ding Ding Ding! Although I must say, I didn't visit Ukraine for the beauty of it, but more for the experience. If you go into it with that mindset there are some pretty ok parts.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: ER757
Posted 2010-12-14 10:15:27 and read 9013 times.

Quoting iflykpdx (Reply 138):
And there a fewer places I'd rather not be than Spokane, WA. Ugh, awful. The entire eastern side of the state is just about as bad as ND.

I've always felt they should put a sign on I-90 at the border coming west from Idaho that says "Welcome to Washington - keep driving, it gets better."  

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: us330
Posted 2010-12-14 10:43:42 and read 8989 times.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 139):
Bridgeport: Trying to compete with New Jersey for scummiest shoreline. A few nice neighborhoods on the edge of town surrounding a shit hole of a city, with plenty of hell hole ghetto neighborhoods mixed in.

New Haven: Take away Yale, and the rest is just an extension of Bridgeport.

If it wasn't for Yale, new haven would be bridgeport--a.k.a. industrial wasteland usa

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Fly2HMO
Posted 2010-12-14 10:53:54 and read 8988 times.

I lived 5 years in Prescott AZ during college. No complaints on the school itself but holy crap, does that town blow or what? Living there was torture.   

To sum this abomination-of-a-sub-human-settlement up: there's no women whatsoever, average population age is 50, tons of speed cameras, police department is run like the Gestapo, speed limits for a 6-lane major blvd will be 25 mph whereas in other cities the same road would be 55mph easily, it's infested with rednecks, crack heads, pot heads, nasty cougars, Harley bikers, hippies, the only other school is a large liberal arts college full of even bigger weirdos, every other 13 year old girl is pregnant, going to Wal-Mart there (much more so than ANY other Wal-Marts) is like going to the zoo as you'll find EVERY possible disgusting mutation of the human genome possible (Darwin would call it his Disneyland), the food is disgusting everywhere you go (save for one or two hole-in-the-wall delis), you either have to put up with extremely right-winged bible-thumping-gun-slingers or extremely left-wing commies and will find nobody in between, the roads suck, people drive like their brains are made of horse manure (as if AZ drivers weren't bad enough), the only cars you'll see are either huge smelly diesel lifted trucks flying a confederate flag or a bunch or 80's rice rockets with fartcan exhausts and stereo systems worth more than the car itself driven by the toolbags that impregnated the aforementioned 13 year old girls, there's waaaaaaaay too many bible-thumpers and jehova's witnesses, a night out means going either a) to a Harley biker bar or b) driving an hour south to PHX, or c) going nowhere. And the nearest form of somewhat proper civilization is northern PHX. And don't get me started on the outlying towns of Dewy, Humboldt, Chino Valley, etc etc   

The only thing somewhat good about PRC is that you can rent big brand-new houses for dirt cheap, the catch being you have to then deal with a homeowners association run by Nazis  banghead 

I've been to other nasty places but, every one of them had at the very least two pretty big redeeming features. But nothing stands out in my mind as much as the 5 torturous years spent in PRC.   

[Edited 2010-12-14 10:58:33]

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: jetblast
Posted 2010-12-14 11:27:37 and read 8957 times.

Scranton, Pennsylvania. The most depressing, generally boring place in the world.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Alias1024
Posted 2010-12-14 11:42:58 and read 8945 times.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 142):
Yeah, news flash: that was 10 years ago.

News flash, that's why I said it was ten years ago! It may be much improved since then, but at the time it was a shithole.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: comorin
Posted 2010-12-14 12:55:26 and read 8894 times.

[quote=Revelation,reply=150]For this and several other posts, welcome to my RU list!

Revelation, thank you and let me reciprocate for the same reasons  

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: lewis
Posted 2010-12-14 12:59:01 and read 8899 times.

Quoting simonriat (Reply 136):
Many of you have mentioned LA. I am planning on taking my wife and 3 children there next year. Well not LA in particular, Anaheim (disney) and San Diego, but I was planning a trip in to LA and having a look at things like rodeo drive, and where the stars on the sidewalk are. Is it really that bad? are my family going to be safe travelling thorugh LA.

I don't know why most people here dislike LA, yes it is polluted and has too much traffic, but there are very nice things to see and do here and the weather is great most of the time. I love it so far here!

Quoting iakobos (Reply 141):
Your tour guide was Greek and you visited on an icy November 1st ? you are joking, right ?

No tour guide, was in the Netherlands (must have been around March-April) and took the train for a daytrip to Brussels. People were rude, we had a really hard time getting basic directions around the city, they wouldn't even acknowledge us, and I am talking about 90% of the people we asked for directions, not 1-2 people. The food and beers were OK, but nothing we couldn't get in the Netherlands. After 5pm it felt like we were the only ones walking around the city, big roads and parks were completely empty. We ended up staying no more than 4-5 hrs, none of us could take it anymore. We had travelled from Rotterdam which is not that great either, but it has more going on! Don't get me wrong, Brussels is a beautiful city with architecture and all but seriously, there is nothing going on there.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: oa260
Posted 2010-12-14 13:27:11 and read 8863 times.

Quoting iakobos (Reply 141):
For as long as rankings exist, Brussels remains in the top 10 most liveable cities in Europe.

Brussels I have been to many times including spending Christmas in it. I quite enjoyed it but I wouldnt call it in the top 10 liveable cities. There are many before Brussels thats for sure. Also there are like in every city run down areas that feel un safe.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: TransIsland
Posted 2010-12-14 13:41:37 and read 8842 times.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 139):
New Haven: Take away Yale, and the rest is just an extension of Bridgeport.

Yeah, but Yale is there... wonderful place. And then there's New Haven pizza. Sorry, disagree. Love the place.  

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: JetBlue777
Posted 2010-12-14 14:10:47 and read 8833 times.

Quoting comorin (Reply 118):
Queens NY. There is something so soul numbing driving down Queens Boulevard (' Boulevard?' - the Champs Elysee of NYC? Hah!) with one ugly red brick building after another. What a depressing welcome to NYC as one rides down the Van Wyck. Tear it down and rebuild, I say. This is the heart and soul of 'meh' country.

I live in Queens and I have to agree with that! Though I live in Forest Hills/Kew Gardens which doesn't feel like NY at some places (meadow lake, etc)

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 123):
New Jersey.

This thread can now be locked.   

  

I should've added New Jersey to my list. Especially Newark, around that area, the moment you cross the GW Bridge or the Holland Tunnel, it's a completely different world!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: simonriat
Posted 2010-12-14 14:19:43 and read 8812 times.

Thank you Tommy and thank you Lewis for responding.

Just thought of another hole. Rotterdam, Holland

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: TZ757300
Posted 2010-12-14 14:26:56 and read 8799 times.

Quoting comorin (Reply 118):

West Virginia - I always think of 'Deliverance' and freak out...

Where have you traveled in the state? Much of the state has come past what you see in that movie...though there are still definitely parts of it like that.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 142):
Uniontown, PA

I think that's why they built (and are still building) the bypass around there. Absolutely nothing there except for a Verizon store I go to since Northern WV doesn't have Verizon service.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: TZ757300
Posted 2010-12-14 16:28:32 and read 8759 times.

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 161):

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 123):
New Jersey.

This thread can now be locked.



I should've added New Jersey to my list. Especially Newark, around that area, the moment you cross the GW Bridge or the Holland Tunnel, it's a completely different world!

Have any of you been to the real New Jersey (South Jersey)? It's a whole different place down there, and actually tolerable for the most part.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: AR385
Posted 2010-12-14 16:32:52 and read 8757 times.

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 145):
Santiago Chile? Gee, what a surprise, an Argentinian making a negative comment about a Chilean city

JAJAJAJAJJ, No. I am Mexican, my flag says Argentina because I am here on vacation.

I've been to Santiago and found it to be a wonderful city....and btw, I've also been to Buenos Aires and thought it was very nice.

Santiago looks like it was never important to the Spanishe, everything is small, little and badly planned.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: airtrainer
Posted 2010-12-14 17:14:53 and read 8717 times.

Helper, Utah
Atlanta, Georgia
Macau
Tanjung Pinang, Indonesia
Charleroi, Belgium
Alicante, Spain

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: PPVRA
Posted 2010-12-14 17:16:07 and read 8720 times.

Recife's old airport terminal. Good lord it was horrible.

MAO's terminal isn't very nice either as wasn't POA's old terminal.

Aside from that, I don't really have any horrible cities. Small ones here and there but then, you can't compare small cities to big cities.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: ltbewr
Posted 2010-12-14 18:37:27 and read 8670 times.

East St. Louis, IL In 1970, I was with my parents and brothers on vacation. We had just seen relatives in a St. Louis, MO suburb and on or way east. Due to flooding from heavy rains earlier that day, many points of the main road we wanted to take were closed. At one point a white guy in a Caddy note our lostness and New Jersey plates, pulls over rolls down his window, and says follow me. After driving a few miles though bombed out looking getto areas, he pulls over and lets us go, after noteing we were luck to make it through unhurt as the area was so dangerous.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: FlyDeltaJets87
Posted 2010-12-14 19:00:21 and read 8668 times.

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 164):
Have any of you been to the real New Jersey (South Jersey)? It's a whole different place down there, and actually tolerable for the most part.

Yes, I have. My roommates in college were from Point Pleasant. I visited them twice up there (once in January for New Years and again this past May for their wedding). It's not awful there but it was hardly "spectacular", IMO. And to visit them, I had to fly into EWR or PHL and drive through the worst parts of Jersey to get there. I used to remind my roommates that they were from the only state in the country that couldn't make fun of Michigan.

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 161):
I should've added New Jersey to my list. Especially Newark, around that area, the moment you cross the GW Bridge or the Holland Tunnel, it's a completely different world!

Q: Why are New Yorkers so depressed?
A: Because the light at the end of their tunnel is New Jersey.

And here's how I look at it. Sulley had a choice of landing his stricken A320 in either New Jersey or the Hudson River, and he chose the Hudson River. That should tell you all you need to know about New Jersey.   

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 154):
I lived 5 years in Prescott AZ during college. No complaints on the school itself but holy crap, does that town blow or what? Living there was torture.

Daytona wasn't much better. Most of Daytona was actually a trashy town, IMO. Some of the surrounding towns were decent but I always found it amusing how my friends from high school were like "You're so lucky to be going to college in Daytona". Hardly. But Orlando was only an hour drive away so I made do with numerous trips to Disney and Universal (and even down to Tampa to go to Busch Gardens).

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: TOMMY767
Posted 2010-12-14 19:49:22 and read 8626 times.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 169):
Yes, I have. My roommates in college were from Point Pleasant. I visited them twice up there (once in January for New Years and again this past May for their wedding). It's not awful there but it was hardly "spectacular", IMO. And to visit them, I had to fly into EWR or PHL and drive through the worst parts of Jersey to get there. I used to remind my roommates that they were from the only state in the country that couldn't make fun of Michigan.

Jersey's got it's fair share of crap areas but Morris and Somerset counties are rather charming. Basking Ridge where I grew up for instance is beautiful. The people, not so much (snobby and have too much money.) Now that I'm living in Hoboken it's so nice to just get in the car on the weekends and drive to these rural areas in NJ to clear out and relax. One could note that driving out on route 78 westbound is where all the run down areas quickly turn to extremely well off and desirable areas within a quick 10-15 minute time span. One exit you can literally pass a ghetto and the next exit will be the suburbs with terribly inflated property values.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: OA412
Posted 2010-12-14 19:51:35 and read 8626 times.

Evanston, WY is pretty bad. The town is about an hour north-east of Salt Lake. The place pretty much revolves around fireworks and alcohol sales to Utah residents. Oh and porn sales too.  

West Wendover, NV is pretty bad too as is Bakersfield, CA. I grew up in the San Fernando Valley, but a lot of it (i.e. Pacoima, North Hollywood, Sun Valley) is such a dump.

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 67):
The place has no soul.

Yes it does. It may not be the most exciting city in the world, but after living here for 15 years, I've come to appreciate what Salt Lake offers. This city may not have all of the luxuries, or the creature comforts of a larger city, but I'll take a smaller city that is easier to get around and is far less congested any day.

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 67):
The gay bars there are filled with spiritually abused and closeted Mormons / exMos.

Yes many gay men here do fit into that category, but then, many of them do not. I don't do the bar scene so I'm not really sure what it's like at this point.

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 67):
You can't talk about rated R or PG13 movies with clients,

Depends on the client. Plenty of LDS people have absolutely no problem with rated R or PG-13 films.

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 67):
nor even have a damned iced tea with lunch.

Are you suggesting that you can't order them at a restaurant or that the client will frown upon you drinking an iced tea? Either way, patently false. The only restaurants in Salt Lake that I'm aware of that do not serve coffee or caffeinated tea are 3 or 4 church owned restaurants (at least I believe they are church owned) in the vicinity area of Temple Square. Every single other restaurant in Salt Lake offers coffee/tea and a wide variety serve alcohol. If you're suggesting that clients frown upon you drinking iced tea, I don't buy that either. I've dined out with many, many LDS people over the years, and none of them were the least bit concerned over someone ordering coffee or tea.

Quoting iairallie (Reply 86):
Fallacy. SLC & UT have a large number of award winning local breweries the private club rule is gone now.

   You know I absolutely bristle when I hear some of the things that are posted about Utah, in general, and Salt Lake, in particular, in this and other forums. As you said, we have plenty of great local breweries that put out some excellent beers. I'm not a fan of beers myself, but I've definitely been impressed by Cutthroat put out by Uintah and the 1st Amendment lager and Apricot Hefeweizen put out by Wasatch Brewery. Also, as you suggested, the private club rule is no more.

People like to rag on Utah's liquor laws, but they're really not as bad as everyone makes them out to be. There are definite quirks such as the State Liquor Store system which guarantees some fairly high prices given the monopoly. There is also the issue of stores closing at 7 or 10 depending on the store, as well as their being closed on Sundays and major holidays. But, if you plan well, you should be fine. Maybe I say this because I'm not a big drinker myself and learned a long time ago how to have fun without drinking, but the laws aren't as bad as everyone makes them out to be. Utah is no the only state in the union with a state-run liquor store system. Furthermore, Utah does not have dry counties, whereas there are some Southern States out there that do, yet we don't often hear about things like that. I get that people enjoy a drink here and there, but some people act as though they can't live without alcohol.

Quoting iairallie (Reply 86):
Sounds like you are a bigoted closeminded person who made up your mind about the place before going there and didnt' even make the effort.

I think a lot of people make their minds up about Utah before visiting, and it's really unfortunate that they do.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 92):
I don't doubt the local brew scene is growing there, but when I was there two years ago, they were still advertising "private clubs" for the purchase of liquor (vodka, rum, tequila, etc.)

Correct, although this has changed since you've been here and private clubs are no more. The liquor laws are changing here. To be sure, it is often at a relative snail's pace, but they are changing.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 95):
Vegas - couldn't pay me to live in the most fake city on the planet.

Agreed! Vegas is fine for a few days, but the strip is shallow and dirty and the rest of the city is just ugly.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 106):
While I'd disagree with a lot of what he wrote, he is right about the lake. It smells like an outhouse.

The lake does smell, no denying that. And here and there, when the wind is blowing just right, we get the smell all through the city.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 123):

  

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 124):
and West Valley is a shithole in some areas.

It is, although, SLC proper has some fairly dodgy areas too. In fact, unless things have recently changed, the crime rate in SLC proper is actual slightly higher than the crime rate in West Valley.

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 124):
There's the mormon component to things if that bothers you

There is. Again, no denying that. I'd love it if the state weren't so knee-jerk conservative in so many ways, and it would be great if there wasn't as much influence by the LDS church as there currently is. That said, you sometimes have to take the good with the bad. The church's presence in downtown means that many parts of downtown are kept very clean and fairly crime-free, and one can walk through much of downtown at night without fear.

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 124):
Ogden, UT - Unless you know where's safe and where isn't, Ogden isn't the best place to drive around in. Roy isn't too bad, though.

LOL. I've heard it referred to "affectionately" as the armpit of Utah. LOL. As I understand it, they have a fairly bad gang problem up there.

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 124):
North Salt Lake, UT - Just south of Bountiful, which is a beautiful city, great views, great people, clean neighborhoods. A great place to live...but once you get to North Salt Lake, you have to deal with the SMELL and smog of what I believe is a refining factory just on the other side of I-15. It smells like a sewage treatment plant, but the Flying J logo is plastered all over the darn thing. It smells terrible and the whole area has a very "industrial" feel to it. Hardly what I'd call paradise. I hate driving by it due to the stench.

Yeah North Salt Lake is pretty bad. It's home to several refineries (Chevron and others) which just gives the whole place a very blah feel.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: comorin
Posted 2010-12-14 20:39:04 and read 8603 times.

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 163):
Quoting comorin (Reply 118):

West Virginia - I always think of 'Deliverance' and freak out...

Where have you traveled in the state? Much of the state has come past what you see in that movie...though there are still definitely parts of it like that.

My apologies, I don't want to diss anybody or the place they live in.

I lived in Fairmont, WV for a year in my early career. I would frequently fly in to Clarksburg or Morgantown. People were very nice to me but I didn't realize it at that time. I just did not like poverty, Appalachia and the geography or the culture - it was claustrophobic to me. Older and wiser, I'm very grateful for all the kindnesses extended to me, but its the last place I would ever want to go back to.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Fly2HMO
Posted 2010-12-14 20:49:16 and read 8588 times.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 169):

Daytona wasn't much better. Most of Daytona was actually a trashy town, IMO. Some of the surrounding towns were decent but I always found it amusing how my friends from high school were like "You're so lucky to be going to college in Daytona". Hardly. But Orlando was only an hour drive away so I made do with numerous trips to Disney and Universal (and even down to Tampa to go to Busch Gardens).

Yeah you're not the first guy I hear that from. I knew a lot of DAB transfers and they all said they liked PRC much more, but mostly strictly speaking about weather (no hurricanes, constant high winds/turbulence and high altitude environment, good for training) so they moved along flight training faster and got better experience.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Braniff747SP
Posted 2010-12-14 21:00:35 and read 8574 times.

Baker, CA
Kingsman, AZ

both bland, ugly towns.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Fly2HMO
Posted 2010-12-14 21:08:40 and read 8579 times.

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 174):

Kingsman, AZ

Oh definitely. Kingman is little more than a big truck stop. However, one major redeeming factor is that it has an In-N-Out  Oh, and usually interesting planes parked at the airport.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: OA412
Posted 2010-12-14 21:13:09 and read 8580 times.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 175):
However, one major redeeming factor is that it has an In-N-Out

In-N-Out? So it has NO redeeming factors?  

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Aloha717200
Posted 2010-12-15 00:04:23 and read 8531 times.

What's wrong with Scotland? I spent a decent amount of time there. It does have some crime problems, but I'm curious as to why people consider it so bad?

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: simonriat
Posted 2010-12-15 02:46:42 and read 8499 times.

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 177):
What's wrong with Scotland? I spent a decent amount of time there. It does have some crime problems, but I'm curious as to why people consider it so bad?

1. Its Scotland
2. Its Scotland
3. Its Scotland

Seriously though.
The Scots dont particulary like the English just my opinion of course. Example. My family went for a day visit up to the borders, on the way back we stopped at a well known supermarket in Dumfries for some refreshments and toilet break.(we had a 5-6 hour journey back south). We sat there minding our own business just talking and all we could hear from several booths were not very pleasant comments about the English, to the point we felt quite intimidated got our things together and left. Not nice.

Its grey and cold most of the time.

The buildings themselves are depressing.

The accent is quite harsh and together with the local dialects makes it sometimes difficult to understand.

Did I mention its depressing in general.

High crime rate.

They look at you strange if you present English money. I guess because the conversion is difficult for them £1 English - £1 Scottish

I hope I never ever have to return.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: iakobos
Posted 2010-12-15 03:40:55 and read 8465 times.

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 177):
What's wrong with Scotland?

Publius Aelius Hadrianus (aka Emperor Hadrian) knew what he was doing when he instructed to erect a big wall all across the border, to separate Romans and Romanized people from the barbarians. (cf Historia Augusta)
In the following 18 Centuries, the barbarians made only one, but valuable contribution to the planet: superb whiskies.


Quoting simonriat (Reply 178):
The accent is quite harsh and together with the local dialects makes it sometimes difficult to understand.

There is no accent, they speak Scot.

Quoting simonriat (Reply 178):

The buildings themselves are depressing.

In Scots' land, buildings are called huts.

Quoting simonriat (Reply 178):
High crime rate.

Nothing such, there are only manly brawls.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: TZ757300
Posted 2010-12-15 04:49:23 and read 8443 times.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 169):
Q: Why are New Yorkers so depressed?
A: Because the light at the end of their tunnel is New Jersey.

Haha, I never heard that one before   

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 169):
It's not awful there but it was hardly "spectacular", IMO.

It may not be the best place in the world, but it sure beats North Jersey.

Quoting comorin (Reply 172):

I lived in Fairmont, WV for a year in my early career. I would frequently fly in to Clarksburg or Morgantown. People were very nice to me but I didn't realize it at that time. I just did not like poverty, Appalachia and the geography or the culture - it was claustrophobic to me. Older and wiser, I'm very grateful for all the kindnesses extended to me, but its the last place I would ever want to go back to.

Living here for almost 4 years here, I can definitely see where you are coming from and thought the same way when I moved here. It is a big culture shock at first, but as time goes on I've come to appreciate it, but it does take time to do so. Will I live here after I graduate? Not at all, there are plenty of places that I'd rather live. Plus I'm not a huge supporter of coal so I'll be discriminated against all the time.

[Edited 2010-12-15 04:51:30]

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Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: wexfordflyer
Posted 2010-12-15 05:55:44 and read 8393 times.

Budapest was a disappointment for me! I think it was mostly down to the people not being overly friendly!!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Derico
Posted 2010-12-15 07:13:28 and read 8366 times.

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 145):
Santiago Chile? Gee, what a surprise, an Argentinian making a negative comment about a Chilean city

I've been to Santiago and found it to be a wonderful city....and btw, I've also been to Buenos Aires and thought it was very nice.

Well in our defense he's Mexican who just happens to be in Argentina right now.  

To be brutally honest, 20 years ago Santiago was pretty unremarkable... the smog was horrendous, the old yellow buses afwul. In fact that smog was so bad, we remember (I as a child), walking by a pharmacy and the toothbrushes in the display had gone from white to tar gray. It was crowded, the airport was old, no cultural life, no nightlife (from what I'm told), and no democracy even.

20 years can change a lot huh? Splendid metro, far better buses, great highways, much improved city areas, etc. Smog still a problem but that's a long term thing. Santiago has improved substantially. No one in the past would consider making Santiago a tourist destination in Chile, with Viña, Valpo, Pucón, La Serena, the lakes, etc, etc. Now its visitable in it's own right.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: seb146
Posted 2010-12-15 09:07:30 and read 8309 times.

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 124):
Newport, OR- Smelled of rotten fish guts. Ate here, found out to our dismay that a fish cannery was right across the street from the restaurant we chose

Huh. A fishing village on the ocean that smells like fish? I don't believe it!

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 124):
Susanville, CA - Had a gun shoved in my face here. Crazy people.

I have been through Susanville a number of times. Nothing to write home about, but still rank it WAY above Spokane.

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 124):
Reno, NV - Fake as hell. Including the hobos. Lots of people pretend to be homeless here to just to get money or food off of you. Lots of people out late at night, dealing or buying drugs. Unpleasant.

So, don't go outside on Virgina Street! The only reason I ever go onto Virginia Street is because it is too crowded inside getting between casinos. Reno grew on me, though. It is nothing special, but much better than Spokane.

Quoting iflykpdx (Reply 138):
And there a fewer places I'd rather not be than Spokane, WA. Ugh, awful. The entire eastern side of the state is just about as bad as ND.

Granted, Yakima is not a prize, but the rest of the east side of the state is really beautiful. I-82, Ellensburg, with the Cascades looming to the west, the entire highway between Walla Walla and Colfax, Vantage... I would rather be there than North Dakota or Spokane!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Stabilator
Posted 2010-12-15 11:24:31 and read 8249 times.

I'll add another specific place: Mall of America, Minnesota, USA.

I have a few buddies from out of state and they always ask me if I go there every day. The place is far too crowded and is rather sketchy. Also, the demise of Camp Snoopy has left a bad taste in my mouth....stupid Nickelodeon World!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: iairallie
Posted 2010-12-15 12:22:16 and read 8220 times.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 106):
he is right about the lake. It smells like an outhouse.

Fair enough the lake is stinky but it is distant enough from the city and other populated areas that you rarely can smell it.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 131):
Why don't people living in the former CIS have any pride in the places they live in, Russian and Ukrainian cities are dirty, people just throw crap everywhere, people just don't appear to care.

I often wonder the same thing. With the exception of the Baltic countries it seems like former soviet occupied regions are in such a crappy state. It doesn't take $$$ to take a

Quoting OA412 (Reply 171):
I've dined out with many, many LDS people over the years, and none of them were the least bit concerned over someone ordering coffee or tea.

Doesn't offend any Mormon I know, our ways aren't yours, they aren't your standards to keep so what do I care? it doesn't hurt me in any way if you have some coffee or a glass of iced tea. Most of us don't care if you have an adult beverage either. Thats not offensive either unless you get out of control and that would offend most non-lds clients as well

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: steeler83
Posted 2010-12-15 13:35:31 and read 8179 times.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 156):
News flash, that's why I said it was ten years ago! It may be much improved since then, but at the time it was a shithole.

Eh, I probably should have said that I'd agree with you, or that my wife would anyway. I've never been there until a couple of years ago, but my wife was there before, and you're right. According to her it was a slum if there ever was one...

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 169):
Q: Why are New Yorkers so depressed?
A: Because the light at the end of their tunnel is New Jersey.

Hey, New Jersey is a nice state. That particular part of New Jersey though, at the end of either tunnel...   

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: 4holer
Posted 2010-12-15 14:00:44 and read 8161 times.

Quoting iairallie (Reply 185):
they aren't your standards to keep so what do I care?

Not to startt an off topic divert, but as someone living in the heart of the Jello Belt (Gilbert, AZ), I'd disagree. If that were the reality I'd have no argument otherwise. But local laws and law enforcement show otherwise. (ex. Try to open a tattoo parlor in town here. Won't get a license)

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: luckyone
Posted 2010-12-15 14:35:00 and read 8142 times.

Quoting iairallie (Reply 185):
Why don't people living in the former CIS have any pride in the places they live in, Russian and Ukrainian cities are dirty, people just throw crap everywhere, people just don't appear to care.

I often wonder the same thing. With the exception of the Baltic countries it seems like former soviet occupied regions are in such a crappy state. It doesn't take $$$ to take a

1. It takes years to move past a mentality that defers all the responsibility in your life to the state. It can take even longer to sort out and delegate said system.
2. Deplorable quality of construction of many of the buildings make it impossible to renovate, but there's also no money to tear them down.
3. A great many of them have never been anywhere else, so they don't know anything else. It's hard to stop a moving train.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Mortyman
Posted 2010-12-15 14:53:00 and read 8136 times.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 11):
Tahiti, French Polynesia

Don't understand this one. I can agree that downtown Papeete is not much to write home about, but the island of Tahiti is actually pretty beautiful if you drive around along the coast and also if you take a drive into the interior. The island of Tahiti is basically an island you only stay for a few days. Maximum 4 days should do it. Most people who travel this far, continues further out in French Polynesia to islands like Moorea and such wich is really very nice. Last time I was there, I was on a daytrip along the coast with some American tourists and they were surprised of how beautiful Tahiti was as opposed to Hawaii. Less developed, less tourist and a better show of tradittional culture apparently. ( I have never been to Hawaii myself, so I can't compare )

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 45):
Pattaya, Thailand.

Can agree here

Quoting iakobos (Reply 141):
Oslo

Oslo can be boring in the winter time. Visit in the summer, when the city becomes more active with outdoor cafes, beaches and warmer temperature. I can't really say that Oslo is boring though. Alot of nice museums, like the Viking ship museum and the Norwegian outdoor museum + the Vigeland sculpture park are all a must. Many great outdorr music festivals during the summer with international artists aswell as Norwegian.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):
Rio de Janeiro

The city has a beautiful location with many scenic photo opportunities. As long as you stay out of the favelas and stay in downtown Rio, you should be alright. Beware of pickpockets and shoeshiners. Do the Samba !

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):
Venice, Italy

A tourist trap with all to high prices even for a single coffe

Quoting SepulTALLICA (Reply 35):
New York City - noisy, dirty, cramped and full of New Yorkers.

Don't agree here. I love New York. One of my favourite big cities. Have been there 4 times and no doubt going back. If you stay in the tourist areas I don't really see how this city is more dirty than others. All the people are facinating to watch   Be sure to visit Central Park on a Sunday, when the locals hang out and alot of different activioties are taking place in the park.

Quoting lewis (Reply 96):
*Brussels - the most boring place I have every visited, everything shutting down at 5pm etc, rude people, not much to do in the city.

Sadly, the well known restaurant street, the rue des Bouchers has been ruined because of one owner owning to many of the restaurants and because of this they basically have the same menue...The food is not anything special any longer. I lived in this city for several months and has come back on vacation for many years afterwards, and the street is just not the same as it used to be. When that is said, there is the Tin Tin Museum, the Grand Place and several outdoor markets. The town of Brugge is very nice for a daytrip.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: lewis
Posted 2010-12-15 15:45:30 and read 8100 times.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 189):
The town of Brugge is very nice for a daytrip.

I liked Brugge a lot!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: 2707200X
Posted 2010-12-15 18:58:53 and read 8046 times.

About twenty years ago me and my family took a vacation to the Grand Canyon and we stayed near the rim of the canyon in a crappy motel we stayed for two nights, the toilet was backed up with some poop in the floor, the shower only had cold water and soiled mens underwear was found under the bed not to mention the TV was almost totally inoperative with only one or two channels not totally covered on snow.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: steeler83
Posted 2010-12-15 19:10:54 and read 8043 times.

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 191):
About twenty years ago me and my family took a vacation to the Grand Canyon and we stayed near the rim of the canyon in a crappy motel we stayed for two nights, the toilet was backed up with some poop in the floor, the shower only had cold water and soiled mens underwear was found under the bed not to mention the TV was almost totally inoperative with only one or two channels not totally covered on snow

Sounds like the Clark W Griswald Hotel! 

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: oa260
Posted 2010-12-15 19:34:52 and read 8022 times.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 189):
When that is said, there is the Tin Tin Museum, the Grand Place and several outdoor markets. The town of Brugge is very nice for a daytrip.

Very true and there was a restaurant called Chez Leon near Grand Place was quite nice for a quick meal.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: high_flyr69
Posted 2010-12-15 19:45:39 and read 8023 times.

Elizabeth/Salisbury, Adelaide, Australia.
Dirtiest Filthiest rotten A$$ end of the earth place 20 years behind those considered to be 20 years behind the rest of the world.
The best thing about the place is the road out of it.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: asuflyer05
Posted 2010-12-17 18:58:12 and read 7769 times.

Some of my least favorite cities include:

Orlando, FL
Dallas, TX
Tucson, AZ
Montego Bay, Jamaica

Quoting 4holer (Reply 62):
Gallup, NM - Issues, man
Quoting 4holer (Reply 74):
The whole Navajo Reservation area is very strange to look at. It can be simultaneously the most stunning and most wretched thing you've ever seen. Very odd to experience.

Couldn't agree more. I've driven through a number of the northern AZ towns along the Utah border. Aside from some of the aesthetic beauty, I wouldn't want to go back.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: BMI727
Posted 2010-12-17 20:34:54 and read 7740 times.

I forgot to mention Boothbay Harbor, Maine. The whole place is just damp and covered in mildew. Also the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: comorin
Posted 2010-12-17 20:55:51 and read 7732 times.

This thread is utterly fascinating and helpful. I had dreamed of visiting many of the places mentioned here but won't- thanks for saving me time and aggravation:

Boothbay Harbor, ME
Tahiti
Pattaya
Edinburgh (from watching Rebus on TV)

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: KiwiRob
Posted 2010-12-17 23:04:52 and read 7697 times.

Quoting TSS (Reply 148):
Huh... I learn something new every day. So Swedish, Norwegian, and Finnish pizzas are to traditional Italian "pizza" as apple martinis, chocolate martinis, etc., are to traditional martinis: Same serving method and general layout, but entirely different otherwise?

Pizza in this part of the world is more like the crap you get at Dominos or Pizza Hut, as an American you'd probably be at home with nordic pizzas.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Springbok747
Posted 2010-12-17 23:14:57 and read 7686 times.

Quoting high_flyr69 (Reply 194):
Elizabeth/Salisbury, Adelaide, Australia.
Dirtiest Filthiest rotten A$$ end of the earth place 20 years behind those considered to be 20 years behind the rest of the world.
The best thing about the place is the road out of it.

  

I think you just described the entire state of South Australia  

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: TSS
Posted 2010-12-17 23:38:33 and read 7677 times.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 198):
Pizza in this part of the world is more like the crap you get at Dominos or Pizza Hut, as an American you'd probably be at home with nordic pizzas.

Ah, but I'm an American who grew up in a predominantly Italian neighborhood (yes, we have those even in Alabama), so I have a pretty good idea what real pizza is supposed to taste like. Faced with a three way choice of eating at Pizza Hut, eating at Dominos, or going hungry, I'll choose going hungry every time.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-12-18 00:21:05 and read 7657 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 196):
the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

That is beautiful country up there.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Mortyman
Posted 2010-12-18 01:39:17 and read 7661 times.

Quoting comorin (Reply 197):
Tahiti

Please read my previous post about Tahiti before you make up your mind.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 189):
Don't understand this one. I can agree that downtown Papeete is not much to write home about, but the island of Tahiti is actually pretty beautiful if you drive around along the coast and also if you take a drive into the interior. The island of Tahiti is basically an island you only stay for a few days. Maximum 4 days should do it. Most people who travel this far, continues further out in French Polynesia to islands like Moorea and such wich is really very nice. Last time I was there, I was on a daytrip along the coast with some American tourists and they were surprised of how beautiful Tahiti was as opposed to Hawaii. Less developed, less tourist and a better show of tradittional culture apparently. ( I have never been to Hawaii myself, so I can't compare )

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: MD-90
Posted 2010-12-18 03:26:29 and read 7646 times.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 5):
Huntsville, AB

Huntsville, what? Alabama?



For me it's Aberdeen, MS. I did my student teaching there and lived there during my last spring semester of school. A dying town with very little to do there. I really enjoyed student teaching there though because of the great band directors running the band program.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Wolverine
Posted 2010-12-18 06:57:57 and read 7583 times.

I totally forgot, to mention this one: Oberhausen, Germany. Grey, cold and dead. I was there for one day, had to go there for work. We tried to find a restaurant at noon, but all were closed. So finally we ended up at McDonalds... There were also nearly no people on the streets. It was a bit scary, like a ghost town.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: comorin
Posted 2010-12-18 09:53:20 and read 7519 times.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 202):
Quoting Mortyman (Reply 189):
Don't understand this one. I can agree that downtown Papeete is not much to write home about, but the island of Tahiti is actually pretty beautiful if you drive around along the coast and also if you take a drive into the interior. The island of Tahiti is basically an island you only stay for a few days. Maximum 4 days should do it. Most people who travel this far, continues further out in French Polynesia to islands like Moorea and such wich is really very nice. Last time I was there, I was on a daytrip along the coast with some American tourists and they were surprised of how beautiful Tahiti was as opposed to Hawaii. Less developed, less tourist and a better show of tradittional culture apparently. ( I have never been to Hawaii myself, so I can't compare )

OK, Tahiti is back on my list!  

I've been to Hawaii twice now (Big Island) but was not bowled over - somehow I thought the place would be greener. It was amazing in terms of the volcanic landscapes, but just didn't have that lush blue lagoon feel. Everyone says go to Maui and you'll feel different. OTOH, Bali did it for me.

God, I just remembered St Lucia.

Its #1 in my No go zone. I was driven insane by the noise of crickets at night. It is incredibly LOUD and the critters laugh at earplugs. There is nothing like it anywhere else in the world. I stayed at a fancy cliffside hotel (Ladera) and almost jumped.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: johns624
Posted 2010-12-18 11:37:44 and read 7485 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 196):
Also the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

Moose, bear, wolves, deer, lynx, eagles, loons, Pictured Rocks, Isle Royale, Porcupine Mountains, Keweenaw Peninsula, etc, etc, etc...what's not to like? You must be a "city" person...

Quoting comorin (Reply 197):
Edinburgh (from watching Rebus on TV)

I've been there three times and loved it. I got lucky and had sunshine most of the time. Still, the view from the castle and all the museums make it worthwhile. It's about the only major city that I could live in.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 201):
That is beautiful country up there

Thank you!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: BMI727
Posted 2010-12-18 13:28:17 and read 7460 times.

Quoting johns624 (Reply 206):
Moose, bear, wolves, deer, lynx, eagles, loons, Pictured Rocks, Isle Royale, Porcupine Mountains, Keweenaw Peninsula, etc, etc, etc...what's not to like?

The almost complete lack of useful things. And what there is seems pretty old and run down.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: johns624
Posted 2010-12-18 15:35:14 and read 7426 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 207):
lack of useful things

What do you mean by useful things? Throw a backpack on and disappear for a few days. That's all you need...

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: BMI727
Posted 2010-12-18 15:43:56 and read 7427 times.

Quoting johns624 (Reply 208):
Throw a backpack on and disappear for a few days. That's all you need...

That's not fun. That's self imposed homelessness.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: johns624
Posted 2010-12-18 15:50:22 and read 7418 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 209):
That's not fun. That's self imposed homelessness.

I saw in the other thread that someplace had "too many trees". That explains alot. You're a "city person". Why did you go to the UP in the first place?

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Pyrex
Posted 2010-12-18 21:49:02 and read 7349 times.

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 19):

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 11):
Arles, France

Just curious, why Arles ??? Cold in winter, but amazing area...

Actually, for the same reason you hated Rome...

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 19):

Have to agree about the chaos and filth of Rome, notwithstanding its historic value...

The are around Arles may be nice but I didn't get to see any of it. I took the train in and all you see along the tracks is chemical plants, so no lavender fields for me. Van Gogh's yellow house (the reason we went there) was a souvenir shop, the place seemed sketchy as hell (maybe it was the proximity to Marseille) and in general just felt like you were waaay down into Andalucia (Spain) - even trying to speak to someone in French felt weird. Two days of travel for nought (I was doing inter-rail).

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 124):

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 11):
Tahiti, French Polynesia

Why?
Quoting Mortyman (Reply 189):
Don't understand this one. I can agree that downtown Papeete is not much to write home about, but the island of Tahiti is actually pretty beautiful if you drive around along the coast and also if you take a drive into the interior.

Tahiti itself is dirty, sketchy, the natives are rude and the service quality has all the service quality you would expect of a French resort (i.e., none), I actually wouldn't know about the drive to the interior because the tour company I hired to go check it out never bothered showing up at my hotel to pick me up, or give any explanations why they didn't. Plus, PPT is a horrible airport if you are trying to connect through it on transpacific flights. And I know a lot of people will say "WTF?" to this, but I thought the ocean water was just way too warm (to the point where you would be swimming and you would come out of the water to cool down a bit). I generally do not enjoy being made into soup while I am swimming.

Also, forgot to add another shithole to the list: Fairbanks, Alaska. The state of Alaska is amazing, but apart from Juneau (which is awesome) it's cities are crap. Fairbanks, though, takes the cake (I heard Wasilla is worse, but luckily just had to drive through there). I like to call Fairbanks "Suburbia, Alaska-sized". Sketchy downtown area, everything far away from each other, mosquitoes that will eat you alive during summer and flat tundra all around. Plus, the hostels are full of Germans, who for some reason that defies any logic love the place (let's just say, nothing against Germans, but if you are traveling by yourself and just want to strike up a conversation with random strangers, Germans, especially middle-aged ones, are not the easiest people in the world to do it with).

On the plus side, Fairbanks was the only place I have ever been to where I had a taxi driver give me a free ride, and from the airport no less (she saw me walking along the road that leads away from the airport with my massive backpack on and decided to give me a free ride to the hostel where she rightly assumed I was going, only to be yelled at by the German receptionist because I was trying to check in an hour too early).

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: wn700driver
Posted 2010-12-19 17:05:00 and read 7234 times.

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 52):

In a marriage with the psycho fruitbat ex of mine!! ANYWHERE is better than that!! 
Seriously though,

Lol. I've been to that town too!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 59):
Brooklyn seemed to have more of a soul, friendlier and I liked the Caribbean flavor of Flatbush & surrounding areas.

I've always liked Brooklyn and found it to be very small-town esque in its own way... Also Type O Negative being from there doesn't hurt...

Quoting Hywel (Reply 58):

Warsaw, Poland: The weather probable swayed my opinion here. I went in the middle of winter when there was freezing fog, and the entire city just seemed miserable and down. I didn't see a single happy person walking about.

That's because it was in the middle of winter and freezing, and foggy. Try it out sometime when that isn't the case. Poland rocks!

Quoting 4holer (Reply 62):
.A., CA, - driving W on the I-10, everything after the windmills by Palm Springs is just crap. Tool got it right in Aenima.
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 144):

I lived in LA for 5 years and it's an AMAZING city but it's also an acquired taste. It's still my favorite city in America.

I agree with Tommy. There is no way a city like Los Angeles can be that bad. It isn't geographically ugly, the WX is almost always great, it has awesome connectivity (you can get anywhere else on the planet very easily from there...) and there are a lot of great little towns that actually make up greater L.A. I lived in Pasadena for about three years and would go back in a heartbeat if work required it. I know it's expensive and full of jerks, but that's a lot of places anyway. There's a lot to do there, and I think it's a great place, once you get to know it.

Quoting 4holer (Reply 62):
Philly, PA - What a big buncha suck.

Quite Correct.

Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 70):
Two places I really would not like to see again, Vladivostok, Russia
Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 70):
harbours you can walk across for the crap and solid waste floating in them.

If you think that's bad, try out Archangel, Severodvinsk, or Polnyarny sometime. Ever hear the phrase "So ugly it's beautiful"? I think those industrial wastelands were in mind when that was said...

Quoting 4holer (Reply 74):

The whole Navajo Reservation area is very strange to look at. It can be simultaneously the most stunning and most wretched thing you've ever seen. Very odd to experience.

They really are. Indian Reservations in the US are something I do have very mixed feelings about, but most of the ones I've seen seem to want to be the next Afghanistan...

Quoting iairallie (Reply 86):

Fallacy. SLC & UT have a large number of award winning local breweries the private club rule is gone now.
Quoting iairallie (Reply 86):

Sounds like you are a bigoted closeminded person who made up your mind about the place before going there and didnt' even make the effort.
Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 124):

Honestly, the whole state of Utah is just a treasure trove of fascinating landscapes and scenery. Everyone should visit the state in their lifetime.

Home run there! Mormons notwithstanding, I think UT is great! Been there in both seasons, and I have to say that from what I've seen, the people who must insist on trashing it must not have been to the same UT I have! It is geographically beautiful, and the people are friendly as hell, for the most part.
Yes there is the Mormon element to put up with, but most of those guys and gals are more mainstream than we realize. All around great place, especially Provo and the Utah Valley. Well, St. George always seemed pretty neat too, but I haven't spent much time down there. Also, Lake Powell is beautiful as well. Had to throw that in there!

Quoting AR385 (Reply 69):
I find nothing redeeming about Hartford.
Quoting Revelation (Reply 139):
st is just an extension of Bridgeport.

Waterbury: Bridgeport's little sister, without the shoreline.

New London: Scummy old navy town. Can't think of a single reason to spend any time there.

The rest of the state: Boring suburbia.

I always liked Simsbury and Avon just fine. I used to love going up Talcott Mountain when I was a kid. Also the Mystic Seaport is pretty cool. They still have that Aquarium there?

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 143):
Newark. The city and outlying area...not the airport. Whomever was most responsible for the disarray and general stupidity that is their system of roads and highways should be jailed for life.

That would be Sharpe James. And yes, for that and many other reasons, the man should be jailed!

Quoting Flighty (Reply 147):
Landover, Maryland.

Agreed. But the airshow at Andrews is out there and always pretty neat!

Quoting JRadier (Reply 151):
Although I must say, I didn't visit Ukraine for the beauty of it, but more for the experience. If you go into it with that mindset there are some pretty ok parts.

I forget what the exact term is, but there is a kind of tourism that seeks out the truly ugly/industrial stuff in the world. Ukraine ranks pretty high on that list, from what I understand...

Quoting OA412 (Reply 171):
There are definite quirks such as the State Liquor Store system which guarantees some fairly high prices given the monopoly.

Maryland has the same deal.

Quoting comorin (Reply 172):
People were very nice to me but I didn't realize it at that time. I just did not like poverty, Appalachia and the geography or the culture - it was claustrophobic to me. Older and wiser, I'm very grateful for all the kindnesses extended to me, but its the last place I would ever want to go back to.

Interesting. I had the Worst six months of my life in Roanoke, VA, which I suspect is not much different. A lot of people were nice, but I just hated it for some reason. I think I feel exactly as you do about Appalachia, pretty much for the same reasons. There are people who will swear it's some kind of paradise on earth, but I swear, it seems like there is no reason to get out of bed in most of those towns. I seriously wanted to hurt myself just for being there the entire time I was there, lol...

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 174):
Baker, CA
Kingsman, AZ

both bland, ugly towns.

Maybe so. I had my worst auto wreck ever just outside of Baker, along I-15, about ten years ago now... The Paras were pretty good as I (sort of) recall...

Quoting iakobos (Reply 179):
In the following 18 Centuries, the barbarians made only one, but valuable contribution to the planet: superb whiskies.

And Patrick Stewart...

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: AR385
Posted 2010-12-19 19:26:35 and read 7194 times.

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 212):
Quoting AR385 (Reply 69):
I find nothing redeeming about Hartford.
Quoting Revelation (Reply 139):
st is just an extension of Bridgeport.

I suppose I have to clarify my position about Hartford. I was sent there to lead a team managing the absorption of a Data Mining Company ENRON had bought because we needed all the info it had on the local electric and water utilities. Thus, I never left downtown. Never. I never saw the wonderful outdoorsy scenery a lot of people talk about or The Gilmore Girls seem so Nitrously Oxide giggly about. I was stuck in the Holiday Inn Crown Plaza which realy is a third rate motel, of the kind people seemed to be taken out by the coroner in white sheets all the time. Terrible, and I´m glad the rest of the meetings were held in Houston and I never had to go back to that dump.

I´ll admit that maybe the environs are nice. The city and downtown? Give me a break. The Umbrella Corporation could nuke it for all I care. Oh wait...there are no zombies. Yet...

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: comorin
Posted 2010-12-19 19:30:08 and read 7199 times.

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 212):
There are people who will swear it's some kind of paradise on earth, but I swear, it seems like there is no reason to get out of bed in most of those towns. I seriously wanted to hurt myself just for being there the entire time I was there, lol..

   Funny but true. Hard to explain unless you've been there. It's like being stuck in a bad dream. Forever.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-12-19 19:51:15 and read 7190 times.

Quoting comorin (Reply 197):
I had dreamed of visiting many of the places mentioned here but won't- thanks for saving me time and aggravation:

You shouldn't go by other people's opinion of a place. You should see places for yourself. Some of those places listed are nice and some of the stories are complete lies based on myths and stereotypes.

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 212):
I've always liked Brooklyn and found it to be very small-town esque in its own way.

You know you are right and it doesn't have the rudeness of Manhattan.
What I liked was the illegal taxis as well as the being able to to buy jerk chicken or White Castle's at 3:00 AM.

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 212):
Also Type O Negative being from there doesn't hurt...

I have a friend that is a diehard fan of theirs.
Other famous Brooklyn natives; Pat Benatar, Lou Reed and Scott Baio.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: comorin
Posted 2010-12-19 19:55:22 and read 7186 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 215):
some of the stories are complete lies based on myths and stereotypes.

like:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 215):

You know you are right and it doesn't have the rudeness of Manhattan.

 

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-12-19 20:58:06 and read 7181 times.

Quoting comorin (Reply 216):
like:


Pattaya, Thailand is nothing like what was described.
There are no under aged girls working there. Laws here in Thailand are very strict about that and the prisons here are not the club med resorts like in the US, Europe & Australia.
Women here age very well and it's common to see a woman in her 30s that could pass as a teenager. Once you start talking to them, they are very much grown adults.
The problem is that some guys foolishly bring their wives & girlfriends to the red light district. It makes no sense what so ever.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: futurepilot16
Posted 2010-12-19 21:23:14 and read 7167 times.

New Jersey, without a doubt. Went to Rutgers-Newark for a Fraternity get together, and that place was gross. Among the highlights were some disgusting looking buildings, an old homeless lady harassing us for change then stalking us when we refused, Brown water coming out of the faucets in the bathroom of a building at Rutgers-Newark, and a disgusting bearded lady. Some parts of New Jersey is an absolute dump!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: BMI727
Posted 2010-12-19 22:07:52 and read 7144 times.

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 212):
Indian Reservations in the US are something I do have very mixed feelings about, but most of the ones I've seen seem to want to be the next Afghanistan...

Yeah, if I never get around a reservation again, I don't think I'll miss it.

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 212):
I think I feel exactly as you do about Appalachia, pretty much for the same reasons. There are people who will swear it's some kind of paradise on earth, but I swear, it seems like there is no reason to get out of bed in most of those towns. I seriously wanted to hurt myself just for being there the entire time I was there, lol...

I used to think that the Appalachian Emergency Room bit from Saturday Night Live was an exaggerated joke. Then I went to West Virginia.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: tarheelwings
Posted 2010-12-20 08:00:52 and read 7032 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 165):
Santiago looks like it was never important to the Spanishe, everything is small, little and badly planned.

Are you sure you were in Santiago?

If you're ever lucky enough to go back check out Las Condes, Vitacura, Providencia, Apoquindo, the financial district (where the southern hemisphere's tallest building is being built).

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: AR385
Posted 2010-12-20 08:56:49 and read 7002 times.

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 220):
If you're ever lucky enough to go back check out Las Condes, Vitacura, Providencia, Apoquindo, the financial district (where the southern hemisphere's tallest building is being built).

Thnak you for your kind suggestion. Yes, I´ve been to those neighborhoods, and the only thing that they show is the reason why Latin America is a champion in income disparity, México probably leading the way of course these days and Chile a close second.

Have you taken the time to visit the marginal neighborhoods? The other, more picturesque ones? And I´m not talking about the real bad ones (which there are) I´m talking about the dormitory, middle class neighborhoods.

I doubt many people go and sleep in the Hyatt at Las Condes (which I believe is the most beautiful Hyatt ever built, by the way)

Also, if you go to the Plaza de Armas, La Casa de la Moneda, La Catedral, and then go to the same in Mexico or Peru, you´ll see what I mean. Chile was never important to the Spanish. And they were never able to conquer them either.

I´ll give you this, on a clear day, hard to come by, specially in winter, the view of The Andes is stunning.

And please remmeber. This is a very personal thread and I hope nobody takes offense.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: QFKangaroo747
Posted 2010-12-21 00:02:01 and read 6892 times.

The Outer Western Suburbs of Sydney, San Francisco's Tenderloin district, parts of Jersey City and Newark NJ  Wow!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-12-21 00:22:52 and read 6883 times.

Quoting QFKangaroo747 (Reply 222):
San Francisco's Tenderloin district

....and you didn't even see the worse part of town.
Tenderloin is where most of the homeless and crack addicts reside. It's dirty & filthy but is only a few blocks.
The worse part of town is Bayshore & Hunters Point. That is were you have street gangs that target random people.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 219):
Yeah, if I never get around a reservation again, I don't think I'll miss it.

Haven't those reservations been converted to casinos now?

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: BMI727
Posted 2010-12-21 00:59:37 and read 6874 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 223):
Haven't those reservations been converted to casinos now?

Probably, but the ones I saw in Oklahoma looked like little more than machine sheds. If you want to gamble I'd suggest finding a proper casino (though the indians do have some of those).

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2010-12-21 01:30:42 and read 6873 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 224):
If you want to gamble I'd suggest finding a proper casino (though the indians do have some of those).


A proper casino has attractive women serving free booze.
I'm not much of a gambler so on the rare occasion I'm at a casino, I want to see attractive women and free booze.
The few times I went to an Indian reservation casino outside of Nevada, there were no attractive waitresses and they were charging for drinks.
Another feature I'd like to see at a proper casino is an old guy with a huge bow tie and plaid suit singing from behind the piano. You gotta have lounge music.  

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: tarheelwings
Posted 2010-12-21 07:24:42 and read 6793 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 221):
Have you taken the time to visit the marginal neighborhoods? The other, more picturesque ones? And I´m not talking about the real bad ones (which there are) I´m talking about the dormitory, middle class neighborhoods

Actually, I lived in Chile for a number of years so, yes, I have seen the marginal neighborhoods as you call them. If you want to use that as your measuring stick for qualifying as the "worse place you've ever been" then just about any city in Latin America (including cities in Mexico) would qualify.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 221):
And please remmeber. This is a very personal thread and I hope nobody takes offense.

No offense taken, just having a hard time understanding your logic, especially with some of the other cities you placed in your list......different strokes I guess.

Cheers

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: ogre727
Posted 2010-12-21 10:32:20 and read 6722 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 165):
Santiago looks like it was never important to the Spanishe, everything is small, little and badly planned.

Yet I would live in Santiago or visit 1000 times before visiting again Mexico City or living there... yes BIG, yes important to the Spanish, but dirty and very poorly planned. I would like to see what would happen to Mexico City (I really wouldnt want to see it, its just a figure of speech) if they got hit by an earthquake like Santiago did earlier this year... then we would talk about badly planned. Im just saying.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: N6238P
Posted 2010-12-21 12:50:21 and read 6672 times.

I've seen in these posts the name of the city I went to college in and the city I currently work in but not the place I live in. Hmmm...

Anyways worst place I've ever been, well Gilroy, CA just smelled awful.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: AR385
Posted 2010-12-21 13:31:51 and read 6648 times.

Quoting ogre727 (Reply 227):
Yet I would live in Santiago or visit 1000 times before visiting again Mexico City or living there... yes BIG, yes important to the Spanish, but dirty and very poorly planned. I would like to see what would happen to Mexico City (I really wouldnt want to see it, its just a figure of speech) if they got hit by an earthquake like Santiago did earlier this year... then we would talk about badly planned. Im just saying.

1. Please remember this is a subjective, personal thread. Where one gives an opinion. My opinions have not been insulting, nor accompanied by insulting comments. Santiago seems like a crap hole to me. Why does that automatically makes you make a comparison to México City? Do you even know where I live? Do you even know my opinion of Mexico City? Do you even think I care about Mexico City? Funny how you did not try to compare my opinion of Santiago to, say, Malawi. No, you looked at my flag and attempted a cheap shot. That qualifies as a personal attack.

2. In an Earthquake like the one that hit Santiago, Mexico City will be unscathed. Building codes are among the most advanced in the world. Old neighborhoods have all, by law, been reinforced or if impossible, demolished. And I assure you, our Navy would not face the embarrassment of "No don´t worry, there´s no Tsunami coming, stay home people" And then we all saw what happened.

3. Again, why does it bother you so much that I think Santiago is one of the worst places in the world I´ve been? (Per the title of the thread) And more importantly, why does that immediately make you compare it to Mexico City? My flag? That´s stereotyping and playing an infantile Tit for Tat. Let it go.

I´ve been to Santiago many times. Lived there. I have an opinion and a right to it. Live with it and chill.

Remember. Again. This thread is personal, and as subjective as they come. Don´t like the heat? Stay off the kitchen.

[Edited 2010-12-21 14:06:17]

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Kent350787
Posted 2010-12-21 14:13:12 and read 6620 times.

I've come to this one late, but....

1. Barnsley, Yorkshire. Very glad that my great, great grandfather emigrated, especially to a place with nice weather, gorgeous beaches and attractive mountains. Grey and ugly....

2. Milan - just meh. But "most disappointing" rather than worst

3. Macquarie Fields, SW Sydney - and many suburbs around it. And then Whalan, Plumpton, Dunheved, Doonside. In fact great swathes of Sydney suburbia with social problems and nothing attractive to recommend then at all.

Don't agree with Arles - the old part of town (including the Roman ampitheatre) is very attractive. And I like South Australia (maybe excluding Elizabeth   )

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: PITingres
Posted 2010-12-21 14:27:16 and read 6618 times.

I'll vote for:

a) St Louis. Ugh. I saw a fair amount of it, and everywhere I went was either ugly, or dangerous, or both.

b) Dayton, OH; specifically, the downtown area. There are lots of cities with empty, run-down, or uninteresting centers (Kansas City, MO comes to mind), but at least there is usually someplace to eat. At the time I was on a job there, the high point of gourmet cuisine in downtown Dayton was an Uno's, and we were glad to get that; the next step down was some horrible looking roach joint. (I will admit that if you go maybe 10 miles out of the center, there are some really nice and interesting bits.)

I can't list places like LA or Detroit since I never expected anything nice from them in the first place.

Luckily, none of the non-US places I've been qualify for "worst" using the OP's definition. Well, Limerick maybe, but I didn't expect much from it either.  

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Kent350787
Posted 2010-12-21 15:13:21 and read 6590 times.

I forgot the Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia. A strip of highrises overshadowing OK beaches, all tacky and touristy. I last passed through in 1993 and have no plans to return. I don't mind Burlegh Heads though.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: tarheelwings
Posted 2010-12-22 10:08:19 and read 6459 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 229):
"No don
[quote=AR385,reply=229]Santiago seems like a crap hole to me

That's not insulting?

Quoting AR385 (Reply 229):
And I assure you, our Navy would not face the embarrassment of "No don´t worry, there´s no Tsunami coming, stay home people" And then we all saw what happened.

Talk about tit for tat...what does this have to do with the topic at hand?

Quoting AR385 (Reply 229):
In an Earthquake like the one that hit Santiago, Mexico City will be unscathed

You mean like the one that hit Mexico City in 1985? If you want to talk about unscathed, Santiago was pretty much unscathed after being hit by an 8.5 magnitude earthquake...not bad for crap hole.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: BMI727
Posted 2010-12-22 11:33:46 and read 6444 times.

Quoting PITingres (Reply 231):
a) St Louis. Ugh. I saw a fair amount of it, and everywhere I went was either ugly, or dangerous, or both.

I wouldn't spend too much time in the city of St. Louis if you can help it. It is much better to stay out in the county. The white flight from St. Louis is pretty considerable.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: ogre727
Posted 2010-12-22 13:25:52 and read 6414 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 229):
Old neighborhoods have all, by law, been reinforced or if impossible, demolished. And I assure you, our Navy would not face the embarrassment of "No don´t worry, there´s no Tsunami coming, stay home people" And then we all saw what happened.

LOL, it seems that if anybody, you took this really personal.... I am not from Chile, and all I was saying is that I cannot understand how someone from Mexico would have the audacity to say that Santiago is poorly planned. You went on to blabber about tsunamis etc... Dude, you need to chill out...

Again, and you are right, this is personal, I think that Santiago is much more livable than Mexico City, I would never live in Mexico and suffer everytime I get sent there on business. From the moment I step off the airplane and I have to go through the worst third world procedures to screen bags I have ever seen in my life I think that it was a stupid idea to go there and wish to leave. I dont ever have that feeling when I land in Santiago. But that's just me.

As for my worst place I've been... Tijuana, Mexico. Talk about a crap hole.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: AR385
Posted 2010-12-22 14:11:10 and read 6397 times.

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 233):
You mean like the one that hit Mexico City in 1985? If you want to talk about unscathed, Santiago was pretty much unscathed after being hit by an 8.5 magnitude earthquake...not bad for crap hole.

Read again what I wrote:

"2. In an Earthquake like the one that hit Santiago, Mexico City will be unscathed. Building codes are among the most advanced in the world. Old neighborhoods have all, by law, been reinforced or if impossible, demolished. And I assure you, our Navy would not face the embarrassment of "No don´t worry, there´s no Tsunami coming, stay home people" And then we all saw what happened."

Sure, I probably should have added that that was after 1985. Just as Chile did after beign demolished time and again throughout the 20th. Century.

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 233):
Talk about tit for tat...what does this have to do with the topic at hand?

It´s one reason why I think it´s not a place I´d like to consider as one of the "best" to be in. Specially since a lot of people spend time in the beaches.

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 233):
That's not insulting?

It´s a descriptive term. There´s the "delete suggestion" button, you know, if it bothers you so much.

Quoting ogre727 (Reply 235):
I think that Santiago is much more livable than Mexico City,

Sure, Santiago has what? 3Million people? México City has 22. It´s bound to be more livable, no news there.

Quoting ogre727 (Reply 235):
From the moment I step off the airplane and I have to go through the worst third world procedures to screen bags I have ever seen in my life

Last time I was there, and had to go through that procedure, It´s no different than FRA, CDG or EZE. In fact, customs agents are more courteous. And if you say it is "The Worst", you´ve obviously have not been to Lagos. Or if you are a brigning in something you shouldn´t ( and I don´t mean drugs) then the procedure will be more intense.

I agree. Tijuana is a shit hole and I hope I never have to set foot there.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Derico
Posted 2010-12-22 14:49:52 and read 6388 times.

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 233):
You mean like the one that hit Mexico City in 1985? If you want to talk about unscathed, Santiago was pretty much unscathed after being hit by an 8.5 magnitude earthquake...not bad for crap hole.

Well it was a 6.5-7.0 I believe that hit Santiago and Valpo, remember the 8.8 epicenter was 400 kilometers south. The difference between that and the full 8.8 is measured in the thousands of strength magnitude. Still, brand new apartement buildings completely buckled from their foundations in Santiago (not so much in Valpo from what I remember), and some of the major expressways also collapsed, which was a bit concerning.

So the quake exposed some problems, but all in all it was a passing grade considering countries like Japan have had similar earthquakes (Kobe), and some of their constructions which they thought fullproof failed miserably.

The reconstruction efforts have been exemplory by Chile.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: lewis
Posted 2010-12-23 00:27:09 and read 6332 times.

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 212):
I agree with Tommy. There is no way a city like Los Angeles can be that bad. It isn't geographically ugly, the WX is almost always great, it has awesome connectivity (you can get anywhere else on the planet very easily from there...) and there are a lot of great little towns that actually make up greater L.A. I lived in Pasadena for about three years and would go back in a heartbeat if work required it. I know it's expensive and full of jerks, but that's a lot of places anyway. There's a lot to do there, and I think it's a great place, once you get to know it.

  
LA is such a vibrant city, the weather is mostly great year-round and so many different places form the LA area so I am surprised that people cannot find a part that they like. You get mountains and beaches and, compared to other places I have lived in Europe, I find the people very open and friendly and not rude at all. Also not that expensive, apart from rent in some areas, most things are cheap and you can get good quality of living on a tight budget. Traffic is also not as bad as people say, maybe because I was used to a far worse commute in Athens. One thing I don't like around here is the drivers, that's about it.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: flanker
Posted 2010-12-23 02:43:47 and read 6302 times.

Englewood hands down. I would rather walk the streets of Cairo on a 60C day and the Gypsy slums than to ever step foot in Englewood again.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: tarheelwings
Posted 2010-12-23 07:14:51 and read 6248 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 236):
Read again what I wrote

No need, I was right the first time....that's why you wrote the following:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 236):
Sure, I probably should have added that that was after 1985

Changes things, doesn't it?

Quoting AR385 (Reply 236):
Just as Chile did after beign demolished time and again throughout the 20th.

Hyperbole anyone? I'm pretty sure Chile wasn't "demolished" time and again in the 20th century. The two biggest earthquakes in that time span were the Chillan earthquake in 1939 and the Valdivia earthquake in 1960 (the strongest ever recorded)...guess what? Neither one of those "demolished" Chile.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 236):
It´s one reason why I think it´s not a place I´d like to consider as one of the "best" to be in. Specially since a lot of people spend time in the beaches

You take a once in a lifetime occurrence amd use it to judge/measure liveability? To each his own I guess  
Quoting Derico (Reply 237):
Well it was a 6.5-7.0 I believe that hit Santiago and Valpo, remember the 8.8 epicenter was 400 kilometers south

Actually, the measurement in Santiago was 8.5, you are correct that the epicenter was further south and that it was measured at 8.8.

Quoting Derico (Reply 237):
Still, brand new apartement buildings completely buckled from their foundations in Santiago

Are you sure you're not confusing buildings in Concepcion and Talcahuano? I'm not aware of any apartment buildings in Santiago that "completely buckled from their foundations".

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: BAViscount
Posted 2010-12-23 08:15:11 and read 6231 times.

I've been trying to think of anywhere I may have been that wild horses wouldn't drag me back to. I can think of a few places that I wasn't that impressed with, but the only place that really fits my initial criteria is Crawley, West Sussex.

My sister and I needed to do some shopping one Saturday afternoon, and wanting to "go somewhere different for a change" decided to make the reasonably short trip down the A23/M23 and check out what Crawley had to offer. What we found was a tedious, boring newtown with a Russian communist era-style (or at least how I would imagine one to be!) shopping centre at its heart. We both thought the place was hideous and depressing and got out of there as soon as we could. Whenever I hear the word Crawley now I just think of grey, lifeless concrete.

The only good thing about the town in my opinion is its proximity to LGW!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: ogre727
Posted 2010-12-23 09:01:34 and read 6223 times.

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 240):
Are you sure you're not confusing buildings in Concepcion and Talcahuano? I'm not aware of any apartment buildings in Santiago that "completely buckled from their foundations".

I work for an insurance company, and was assigned to Santiago right after the earthquake to help sort things out... I believe there was one building in Santiago (in the Maipu area) that sort of collapsed, however it was still standing on its own... it was just unusable... everyone escaped from the building...

Standing in Providencia was very weird... it was not as if an 8.5 (in Santiago) hit a few days before... you had to make an effort to see any damages...

I was there when the second wave of earthquakes hit (7.2, 6.9 and 6.0). Again... no significant damages...

Anyways, Chile is still a third world country in many accounts, but to say Santiago is poorly planned is absurd.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Derico
Posted 2010-12-23 10:20:20 and read 6194 times.

Quoting BAViscount (Reply 241):
Are you sure you're not confusing buildings in Concepcion and Talcahuano? I'm not aware of any apartment buildings in Santiago that "completely buckled from their foundations".

No Santiago proper, brand new places. Not many like I said. Anyway the main point is I'm not sure the quake was 8.0 in Santiago. In general though, I didn't hear of severe damage in poorer areas of the city.

The problem with Mexico City is not so much the building codes, it's where part of the city center is. It's a lake bed, thus liquifaction is a huge problem and there is no tecnology in construction today that can widstand a powerful earthquake on such a surface.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: AR385
Posted 2010-12-23 11:08:31 and read 6183 times.

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 240):
Changes things, doesn't it?

Yes, that´s why I rectified.

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 240):
Neither one of those "demolished" Chile.

Go do some Google, search pics and not for the nice parts of Chile and we´ll talk. Entire towns were obliterated.

Quoting tarheelwings (Reply 240):
You take a once in a lifetime occurrence amd use it to judge/measure liveability? To each his own I guess

Mmmh. A country with seismic activity on its coast, with, more than 4,000km coasts, and you call that a one time occurrence? As you said. To each his own.

And I never said I measure liveability according to that. Don´t put words in my mouth. I said the following:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 236):
It´s one reason why I think it´s not a place I´d like to consider as one of the "best" to be in. Specially since a lot of people spend time in the beaches.

If I decided not to go live in places that are naturally disaster prone, I might as well built a bunker and stay under the bed.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: tarheelwings
Posted 2010-12-23 11:26:51 and read 6177 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 244):
A country with seismic activity on its coast, with, more than 4,000km coasts, and you call that a one time occurrence? As you said. To each his own.

Errrr, I was referring to your slam on the Chilean Navy, one of the most professional navies in the world. After the Tsunami event took place, internal investigations were conducted and the appropriate personnel disciplined.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 244):
Go do some Google, search pics and not for the nice parts of Chile and we´ll talk

I suggest you do the same, having lived for many years in Chile, I am very familiar with its history and geography. More importantly, I am very familiar with its infrastructure.......that's why I don't get many of the comments you make.......as I said before, different strokes for different folks I guess.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: wn700driver
Posted 2010-12-23 15:07:58 and read 6142 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 215):

I have a friend that is a diehard fan of theirs.

Lol, someone has to be. I love almost everything they did, but I must admit it is an aquired taste...

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 224):

Probably, but the ones I saw in Oklahoma looked like little more than machine sheds.

I stopped at the Winstar casino once... Could wait to get back out of that smoky, dilapidated depression factory. There was nothing fun about the place, and apart from satisfying an addiction, I can't imagine why anyone would want to stop there...

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 219):

I used to think that the Appalachian Emergency Room bit from Saturday Night Live was an exaggerated joke. Then I went to West Virginia.
Quoting comorin (Reply 214):

   Funny but true. Hard to explain unless you've been there. It's like being stuck in a bad dream. Forever.

Yeah, there's just something weird about that corner of the world... When I was in ROA, it wasn't as if there was just nothing there, just nothing that anyone cared about or cared to take care of. Totally depressing... It was always like the whole place was just getting ready to fall apart. I was always surprised that people didn't just wear their pajamas around town. Really nothing there worth getting dressed up for...

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: babybus
Posted 2010-12-27 15:12:06 and read 5931 times.

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 8):
Zagreb, Croatia

Yes, horrible and grim.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):
Ventimiglia, Italy

Yes, horrible and grim too. The beach is an eyesore.

I save my big thumbs down for Czech republic. It's a big downer.   

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: UAL747DEN
Posted 2010-12-27 22:38:46 and read 5867 times.

Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
I've gotta say mine has to be Hollywood, CA. I expected it to be glamorous but all I saw was hobos everywhere. Another one would be Los Angeles , oh the smog and pollution! Though I'm a fan of orange county and the outskirts of LA

Couldn't agree with you more, I hate the LA/Hollywood area! The outskirts are very nice and pretty but you still have the freeways and people.

The worst place I have ever been is FRA on December 18th 2010!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: N776AU
Posted 2010-12-28 07:04:19 and read 5829 times.

Quoting comorin (Reply 118):
West Virginia

Yeah. It's quite possibly the most boring place I've ever visited. Great to set foot in just to say I have, but I don't ever want to again.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: luckyone
Posted 2010-12-28 11:31:05 and read 5785 times.

Quoting babybus (Reply 247):
I save my big thumbs down for Czech republic. It's a big downer.

Agreed! Prague was a huge disappointment. Absolutely nothing there but the buildings itself, and let's face it a pretty building gets old quickly. On top of that it is OVERRUN by tourists. It's just uncomfortable. I went to Budapest and Prague back to back, and I loved Budapest and would happily go back tomorrow. Prague, no thanks.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: DanVS
Posted 2010-12-28 18:02:15 and read 5710 times.

Kayenta, Arizona - as I passed through, I had the impression that a nuclear blast had destroyed it all. Or, one of those fake cities used for nuclear tests with dummies inside houses.

Ciudad del Este, Paraguay - counterfeit stuff, terribly hot.

Rome, Italy - noisy, besides I had the impression that everybody was trying to scam me.

Quoting lh526 (Reply 109):
Rio ... depends on where you're going. extremely beautiful on one side, with awfuly dodgy ends on the other.

Hmmm... Wouldn't your view apply to most big cities around the world?  

[Edited 2010-12-28 18:04:51]

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: WestJetForLife
Posted 2010-12-28 21:52:32 and read 5674 times.

Edmonton, Alberta and Winnipeg, Manitoba have my vote.

Edmonton does not have anything that is worth doing other than West Edmonton Mall, itself a touristy destination that is worth visiting for maybe a day or two at most. Despite being the capital of our province, it really doesn't have much pizazz to it. Downtown is full of homeless beggars, as is Whyte Avenue, even though it's full of 'upper class' bars. Outside of the mall, Edmonton is flat, boring and not worth going to.

The same could be said for Winnipeg, except that the mosquitoes there are the size of small jets and will swarm on you for no other reason.

Nik

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: columba
Posted 2010-12-29 00:47:06 and read 5655 times.

Working as an attorney in the German State of Brandenburg I have to go to several courts in small towns some of which are the most depressing places I have ever been. Especially now in the winter where everything is even more grey

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Alex22
Posted 2010-12-29 04:56:14 and read 5614 times.

worst places ? mmmmh

- Los Angeles... hell of a boring time there, terrible traffic
- Miami - Been there too many times, hate the climate
- Yuzhno-Sakalhinsk, Russia (bad weather didn't help enjoying the crappy city)
- Puno, Peru

Alex

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: steeler83
Posted 2010-12-31 21:28:17 and read 5420 times.

Quoting Alex22 (Reply 254):
Miami - Been there too many times, hate the climate

Miami, hate the climate? What's wrong with Miami's climate? Pennsylvania's climate sucks more! Winter sucks! I hope we don't have anything like what we had last year. 80 inches of snow is just awful! Our normal seasonal snowfall is about 40-something. We reached that amount with the two February snow storms last year! Each put down 20-plus inches on Philly!! UGH!!!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: sccutler
Posted 2010-12-31 21:41:18 and read 5416 times.

Blythe, California.

No, not really - it has little to make it attractive, but where the heck else are you gonna buy gas?

I have to admit, the Peoples Republic of Irvine never did much for me, but I was never afraid for my safety there (my sanity, yes, safety, never).

When I visited Pittsburgh once, I was primed to hate it from all I had read about it, but discovered instead it's a really nice place, peopled with solid and kind folks.

I guess I'd have to settle on Guayaquil, Ecuador, but I am not really comfortable throwing down on there, either. There, or the City of Brotherly Love, Philadelphia, PA.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: NoUFO
Posted 2011-01-01 06:20:35 and read 5361 times.

Quoting columba (Reply 253):
Brandenburg I have to go to several courts in small towns some of which are the most depressing places I have ever been.

I have absolutely no trouble to follow. I think Potsdam was so far the only place in Brandenburg I did not find depressing.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2011-01-01 06:55:33 and read 5359 times.

Slums in Rio de Janeiro.
Streets around Omonia in Athens at night. Scary.

Banlieue Nord of Paris - Some parts of Marseille.

 Wow!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: MrChips
Posted 2011-01-01 13:47:58 and read 5284 times.

In all my traveling, I've never really been anywhere THAT bad, apart from two places:

Naples, Italy - Been there twice, the last time was at the height of the garbage crisis a couple of years ago. For those who have been there, imagine the normal filth and stench of Naples, but with several hundred thousand tons of rotting garbage literally piled as high as some of the buildings. Thank god I was only there for a day that time.

Fort McMurray, Alberta - Glad I don't have to go into the city that often. Everybody drives lifted "bro-trucks" and the residents are either high or drunk all the time. A "boom-town" if there ever was one, replete with all the problems associated.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: keagkid101
Posted 2011-01-01 13:58:45 and read 5277 times.

I hated Detroit. It's disgusting. I will never go there again unless I'm connecting at DTW.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: baguy
Posted 2011-01-01 14:13:15 and read 5273 times.

I'm sure it's very nice in parts but Bari, Italy was sooooo boring. Was only there on a cruise for a day though. Otherwise, Marbella, Spain is way to touristy for me!

BAguy

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Alex22
Posted 2011-01-01 16:10:41 and read 5239 times.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 255):
Miami, hate the climate? What's wrong with Miami's climate? Pennsylvania's climate sucks more! Winter sucks! I hope we don't have anything like what we had last year. 80 inches of snow is just awful!

The thing is I hate high humidity but I love snow and winter....

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: steeler83
Posted 2011-01-01 16:33:52 and read 5240 times.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 256):
When I visited Pittsburgh once, I was primed to hate it from all I had read about it, but discovered instead it's a really nice place, peopled with solid and kind folks.

  

THANK YOU!

Pittsburgh really is quite nice and not anywhere nearly as bad as some people say and/or perceive it to be. Granted, Pittsburgh has its bad spots, but every city has its slums. It's a rather densly developed and populated city in spite of covering only 55 square miles and having roughly 315,000 people.

I'm waiting to hear back on a possible interview for a city planning job there speciallizing in historic preservation. I have a vision for that city and I'd like to be part of its continuing/developing renaissance.

Quoting Alex22 (Reply 262):
The thing is I hate high humidity but I love snow and winter....

Then Cleveland or Buffalo should be your kind of town!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: BMI727
Posted 2011-01-01 18:33:33 and read 5217 times.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 255):
Miami, hate the climate? What's wrong with Miami's climate?

I think that St. Louis has the worst climate in America. The hot sticky summers like the South and freezing winters with ice and snow storms.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: aerorobnz
Posted 2011-01-01 20:36:03 and read 5191 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):
Rio de Janeiro

That's in my top 3...lol

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 24):
In nearly forty years of travellng, I can truly list only four places I hated.

You obviously hate chinzy fake places... I concur.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 53):
Ciudad del Este, Paraguay - incredibly dirty border city

This was a city that immediately sprang to mind. Tho to give it it's dues in the market I could buy any passport I wanted, any weapon, any internal organ and any endangered species.... there's only a few places on earth like that... 
Quoting aloges (Reply 89):
Ciudad Guayana/Puerto Ordaz, Venezuela

Yeah. when I was there black market currency was a major trade and my friends got their cards cloned in the bank.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: AirPacific747
Posted 2011-01-01 23:14:31 and read 5151 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
3. Rome (Southern Italy in general isn't too wonderful)

Indeed horrible. The most annoying part (which is a general problem for a large part of southern europe), is the massive amount of scooters. They make a lot of noise and they pollute a lot too.

Quoting lewis (Reply 96):
*Palma de Mallorca - maybe it was the season, but the place was full of older German tourists and nothing more, beaches were nothing special, the city was nice.

You ain't seen nothing yet. Palma de Mallorca is nothing compared to Gran Canaria. I will never go back there if I can avoid it.

Other places:

Kamloops, BC, Canada
Calgary, AB, Canada

It's probably more fun to watch paint dry than visiting those cities. They are not ugly or unsafe, just so boring that I wouldn't want to go back. (I really liked the 8 months I spent in Vancouver though. Great city!)

Agadir, Morocco
Marrakech, Morocco.

Morocco - never again! 'nuf said.

Nairobi - Dirty, smelly, unsafe.

Nice - France - Very, very overrated city. Ugly. If you're going to Southern France, go to the Provence area, or Saint Tropez, except the traffic congestion in Saint Tropez makes it very difficult to get in by car. Only one main road in and out as far as I remember. Same thing can be said about Monte Carlo.

Monte Carlo, Monaco - Overrated like Nice. I had a bad experience, not because the city is so bad itself, but because I had only heard positive things about the place. It took over 2 hours all three times iv'e been there, in traffic queues just to get in. Once you're in, you get this claustrophobic feeling because there are too many people and buildings on too little space, and after 8 hours, you really want to get out.

Mexico City, Mexico - Like Nairobi - dirty, smelly and unsafe.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: chrisair
Posted 2011-01-02 01:36:20 and read 5116 times.

New Jersey (specifically, Sewark and Camden). It's one of the most disgusting places I've ever set foot in. I'll never know how anyone is proud to be from that disgusting state.

New York is a close second. A godawful, horrible place.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: dba4u
Posted 2011-01-02 10:40:00 and read 5037 times.

Quoting columba (Reply 253):
State of Brandenburg

Used to live in Senftenberg and thought it was pretty bad, but after visiting such magnificient places like Schwedt and Eisenhüttensadt I really learned to appreciate the beauty of it...   

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: mham001
Posted 2011-01-02 14:40:11 and read 4993 times.

Tunisia. Also most every other mid east country stuck in the 7th century.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 139):

Bridgeport: Trying to compete with New Jersey for scummiest shoreline. A few nice neighborhoods on the edge of town surrounding a shit hole of a city, with plenty of hell hole ghetto neighborhoods mixed in.

Bridgeport would make my list too. I was living in one of those neighborhoods in 1980. An amazing hellhole.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: steeler83
Posted 2011-01-02 21:28:19 and read 4914 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 264):
I think that St. Louis has the worst climate in America. The hot sticky summers like the South and freezing winters with ice and snow storms.

How about Oklahoma for that matter... They can get brutally cold winters with snow and ice storms. Then every spring they're hit with hail and tornadoes... Good luck trying to insure a moble home!

Oh yeah, plus it's 90% corn fields!

Never been there tho, so I guess I really can't speak for it...

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: zippyjet
Posted 2011-01-03 03:08:29 and read 4865 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
The American South (including any part of Missouri that isn't St. Louis or Kansas City)

Does that include Baltimore, MD. I feel we skew toward Southern (accent, Hon big hair, popularity of Country Music. I find it all amusing but, I'm proud to be a Baltimorean. Ever see any John Waters movies?

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Nitrohelper
Posted 2011-01-03 11:10:30 and read 4798 times.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 270):
...it's 90% corn fields... Never been there tho...


That's certainly obvious if you think that Oklahoma is 90% corn fields...

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: lewis
Posted 2011-01-03 11:15:40 and read 4799 times.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 266):
You ain't seen nothing yet. Palma de Mallorca is nothing compared to Gran Canaria. I will never go back there if I can avoid it.

I have heard the same thing from a lot of people. Gran Canaria are not on the top of my list either.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 258):
Streets around Omonia in Athens at night. Scary.

  
I don't know when you were there last time, but it keeps getting worse every day.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: BMI727
Posted 2011-01-03 12:07:49 and read 4786 times.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 271):
Does that include Baltimore, MD.

Hard to say since I've never been there. But any part of Virginia not near DC definitely counts.

Quoting Nitrohelper (Reply 272):
That's certainly obvious if you think that Oklahoma is 90% corn fields..

When I was there it seemed like 90% indian reservations.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2011-01-03 23:47:23 and read 4718 times.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 256):
the Peoples Republic of Irvine


Interesting that you'd say that about one of the last conservative republican bastions in California.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 258):
Streets around Omonia in Athens at night. Scary.


I was a bit surprised about that seedy area of Athens but pales by comparison to rough parts of town in citys in the US and Russia.

Quoting lewis (Reply 96):
*Palma de Mallorca - maybe it was the season, but the place was full of older German tourists and nothing more, beaches were nothing special, the city was nice.


What's wrong with older German tourist?
They are one of the most pleasant tourist to be around.
Drunken Russian, drunken British soccer/football hooligans, smelly hippie backpackers and fraternity boys & sorority girls are far worse tourist than the older German tourist.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: BMI727
Posted 2011-01-04 00:19:12 and read 4717 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 275):
What's wrong with older German tourist?

Speedos maybe?

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2011-01-04 00:23:52 and read 4728 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 276):
Speedos maybe?

Is that what the fuss is all about?
Big frikkin' deal!

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: columba
Posted 2011-01-04 01:33:36 and read 4700 times.

Quoting dba4u (Reply 268):
Senftenberg

Don´t mention Senftenberg, I was there at the Labor Court two weeks ago. Because of the snow and Deutsch Bahn it took me 6 hours to go back to Berlin.

Senfteneberg was definitely one of the most depressing areas I have ever been, too.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: BMI727
Posted 2011-01-04 05:37:51 and read 4674 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 277):
Is that what the fuss is all about?

Well, if I have the choice between a beach with guys in speedos (usually guys who shouldn't be shirtless at all) and one without, I know where I am going.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: sw733
Posted 2011-01-04 06:29:59 and read 4653 times.

Some of mine would be:

Anniston, Alabama USA
Kinshasa, DR CONGO
Zinder, NIGER

Quoting type-rated (Reply 5):
Huntsville, AB. Horrible city. I haven't been there in years.

I don't mind Huntsville at all.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
(including any part of Missouri that isn't St. Louis or Kansas City)

I love the south, but Missouri is a dump.

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 8):
Zagreb, Croatia

I rather like Zagreb, and...

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 8):
Bremen, Germany

I absolutely LOVE Bremen

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
3. Rome (Southern Italy in general isn't too wonderful)

Agreed. Italy is the most overrated country in the world, in my book.

Quoting alwaysontherun (Reply 56):
Nigeria!

Good one! It's not the worst place I have been, but...it's not great.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 65):
Lancaster, CA

Yeah, Lancaster isn't great. That being said, I do not mind Palmdale at all.

Quoting flanker (Reply 81):
Carbondale,IL.

Not great, but better than Marion.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 83):
Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 38):
Gary, Indiana


Another "mistake by the lake". best thing is the Interstate going through it.

Yeah but you'll still get shot on the Interstate!

Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 94):
Essington, Pennsylvania

Good one! That place is a dump.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: lewis
Posted 2011-01-04 09:18:51 and read 4617 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 275):
What's wrong with older German tourist?
They are one of the most pleasant tourist to be around.
Drunken Russian, drunken British soccer/football hooligans, smelly hippie backpackers and fraternity boys & sorority girls are far worse tourist than the older German tourist.

Nope, its not the speedos, but when you are at high school you want to go somewhere with more exciting people than Germans in their 60s. Seeing them topless was not that exciting either.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2011-01-04 09:35:19 and read 4606 times.

Quoting lewis (Reply 281):
Nope, its not the speedos, but when you are at high school you want to go somewhere with more exciting people than Germans in their 60s. Seeing them topless was not that exciting either.

None of us are still in high school are we?
Who goes on vacation to 'look' at other people?
Just spend New Years this last weekend down on the island of Phuket.
I found the popular Patong Beach to be a $h!thole due to all of the drunken, belligerent Russian tourist which were acting like a bunch of hooligans. Luckily my hotel was on the opposite end of the island and had a lot of older German tourist.
The older German tourist were far more pleasant to be around.
Didn't care what they wore because I don't care what other people wear.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Dreadnought
Posted 2011-01-04 09:36:42 and read 4606 times.

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 57):

I went to Geneva and I hated it. It was dirty, the people were rude and I got mugged at Geneva Central Station (not sure what it's actually called, but it's the big train station when you get on any train from Cointrin). The graffiti is bad too. I would never go back unless I had to. I'm sure Zürich is nicer, but as far as I have seen, Switzerland is not a very pleasant place to visit.
Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 66):
A friend of mine was robbed at knifepoint in his apartment twice in three years, so it's really not the nicest place of CH...

I lived in Geneva for the better part of 20 years (moved out 5 years ago). It has greatly deteriorated, mainly because of all the foreigners that have moved in. They tend to stay around the train station (it's Cornavin, BTW), and it's become a fairly rough area. I was back there last summer and was shocked at how bad it's gotten.

Just to give you an idea of how much it changed, My first apartment (in 1989) was in central Geneva, and one Friday I parked my BMW in the street - a very busy one with lots of pedestrian traffic - and ran up to my apartment to get something, and my plans suddenly changed and I did not go back down. On Monday morning, 3 days later I went back to the car, which I had left with the windows wide open and the keys in the ignition. Nobody had touched it, nor the expensive stereo, all weekend.

Today that car would be gone within minutes.

The worst place I have been to is Prokopievsk, in Siberia. What a kackhole that was. It was January, temperatures around -20 to -30, and the only food we could find was vodka and cucumbers.

[Edited 2011-01-04 09:39:09]

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: dba4u
Posted 2011-01-04 09:38:50 and read 4605 times.

Quoting columba (Reply 278):

...and Hoyerswerda is even worse...

Anyway, I was kind of baffled when I found out that some of those Plattenbauten (mine included...) are not even having doorphones. Nothing, I couldn't even open the houses front door from my appartement. So whenever I ordered a pizza or recieved a package I had to run five stories down, get that stuff myself, and make my way up again. The delivery guys loved it. I didn't... 
The one good thing 'bout living there was that I didn't need a hotel when the Red Bull AirRace took place on the Lausitzring.  


What's worse then how everything looks however, is the bleakness and negativity the people are exuding. And I just can't blame them, a lot of those people are indeed pretty fu**ed...



The worst place I've ever been? Can't really tell as I always seem to find *something* great in every place.
Maybe Dobrich, BG... I found it to be really miserable, but I was 13 years old when we went there and all I had seen before was the glamour of western european metropolises... Looking at it nowadays on google earth it isn't looking that bad... A bit boring propably, but so is almost every city that size.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2011-01-04 09:42:49 and read 4596 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 279):
Well, if I have the choice between a beach with guys in speedos (usually guys who shouldn't be shirtless at all) and one without, I know where I am going.

I don't go to the beach to look at other guys.
I'm not a fashion cop and would never pontificate what others "should" and "shouldn't" wear.
What ever happen to the concept of live and let live?

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: mham001
Posted 2011-01-04 09:46:30 and read 4592 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 282):
Luckily my hotel was on the opposite end of the island and had a lot of older German tourist.

Chalong?

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2011-01-04 09:53:01 and read 4590 times.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 286):
Chalong?

Mines is much bigger than theirs!  

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: lewis
Posted 2011-01-04 10:07:56 and read 4577 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 282):

Nope, but I was in high school then and expected something more exciting from Mallorca than a place where old people go for holidays. Even now that I am in my mid-20s, I would still not go to such a place again.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 282):
Who goes on vacation to 'look' at other people?

Well, if you want to 'meet' people you have to 'look' at them, right?  
Plus, Mallorca was like going to a senior citizens' resort in Florida, are you really telling me you would enjoy that?

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Superfly
Posted 2011-01-04 10:16:14 and read 4574 times.

Quoting lewis (Reply 288):
Well, if you want to 'meet' people you have to 'look' at them, right?

If their in their 60s, I wouldn't look at them regardless of what they're wearing.

Quoting lewis (Reply 288):
I was in high school then and expected something more exciting from Mallorca than a place where old people go for holidays. Even now that I am in my mid-20s, I would still not go to such a place again.

I was in Mallorca when I was in middle school. Yes there were lots of old people there but I was there to visit my father so I didn't care about the other tourist.

Quoting lewis (Reply 288):
Mallorca was like going to a senior citizens' resort in Florida, are you really telling me you would enjoy that?

No but it wouldn't rank it as one of the 'worse' places I've been either.

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: dba4u
Posted 2011-01-04 10:42:16 and read 4552 times.

Quoting lewis (Reply 288):
expected something more exciting from Mallorca than a place where old people go for holidays

Then you picked the wrong time! Sep-Mar is old people's time over there, try the summer months next time.

Personally, I prefer the quiet to be found there during the off-season and would never spend my holiday there during the summer, because it tends to be a bit "too exciting" for my taste  

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: Tommione
Posted 2011-01-04 11:42:38 and read 4538 times.

Though I didn't reed all replies, I miss places in India being mentioned a lot.
I went around the south of India and have to say that Chennai (formerly Madras) is the most horrible place I´ve ever been, and I travelled a lot (even through L.A.   ) So much dirt, noise, and suffering people is really not a great place to be.

Next time I´d rather go again to New Zealand  

Tommi

Topic: RE: Worst Place You've Ever Been
Username: 2707200X
Posted 2011-01-04 13:05:48 and read 4507 times.

I have two of the worst restaurant experiences I have ever had.

One was at a Denny's in Barstow, CA a year and a half ago. We had to wait 45 minutes from the time we ordered to the time three of the four of us got the food, I had to wait another 20 minutes until I could get my food delivered so by the time they where done I started on mine. The waitress said that they only had one cook and that an order was mixed up.

The worst one was at an Applebee's in San Diego. We where very hungry so we went to the restaurant, we had to wait 35 minuets to be seated, 20 minuets to have our order taken and about an hour, yes roughly an hour until we got our food served to us. My mom ordered a tortilla soup but she got nothing because they ran out of soup so she got a cold sandwich and we had to pay for both. My pastrami sandwich was cold and tasted bad. We also had the worst people sitting nest to us. They had a lot to drink and they where very loud and I could overhear everything in their conversation. It was the worst way to spend two and a half hours.


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