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Topic: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: KFLLCFII
Posted 2012-06-05 05:06:48 and read 1891 times.

The similarities between the lead-ups to the 2004 and 2012 elections are striking to me. On one side you have an incumbent who, in the eyes of the opposition, must be defeated at all cost lest they suffer unimaginable doom, while on the other side this opposition becomes stuck with a candidate who isn't very appealing to the base, seems to go whichever way the wind blows, and for all intents and purposes a vote for him is a just a vote for "not the other guy".

I wasn't on the side of John Kerry, but I'm pretty sure I know what the opposition to the incumbency in 2004 must have felt when I look at Mitt Romney in 2012. All suit, hair, and money, trying to appeal to everyone (in the face of unimaginable doom ), while really appealing to no one.

I have a feeling Mitt Romney will go the way of John Kerry. And it pains me to say it.

Thoughts?

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: Superfly
Posted 2012-06-05 06:04:16 and read 1868 times.

The only similarities is that they both were elected to statewide office in Massachusetts.

Quoting KFLLCFII (Thread starter):
this opposition becomes stuck with a candidate who isn't very appealing to the base


Not true at all. The left-wing LOVED John Kerry. Just look at his voting record in the Senate.

Quoting KFLLCFII (Thread starter):
All suit, hair, and money, trying to appeal to everyone (in the face of unimaginable doom ), while really appealing to no one.



John Kerry appealed to a lot of voters - on the left.
John Kerry even won the independent vote. The right-wingers were more successful in getting their people out to the polls. Also, the gay-marriage issue on the ballot in Ohio in 2004 brought out the religious right in southern Ohio in droves to barely put Dubya & Co over the top in Ohio. Had Kerry won Ohio, he would have been the 44th President.

Also, the Democrats united behind John Kerry early on during the primaries. It wasn't so easy for Mitt Romney dealing with that basket case named Rick Santorum and the Ron Paul cultist.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: Ken777
Posted 2012-06-05 09:02:42 and read 1798 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
The right-wingers were more successful in getting their people out to the polls

And, the critical factor in that election, the Swift Boat attacks. A pretty good demonstration that a wealthy person can throw in a pile of cash and garbage and shift an election.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
It wasn't so easy for Mitt Romney dealing with that basket case named Rick Santorum and the Ron Paul cultist.

The great thing about the GOP primaries is that those left on the side of the campaign trail have provided the Democrats with a treasure trove of sound bites against Romney. I have a feeling that we will be seeing them this fall.

I believe that Romney is a lot like Kerry in some ways. Wealth, for sure. Both "good guys". Know how to dress well and can get a seat in a good restaurant.

Kerry served in the Navy. What did Romney do besides his two years in Paris for the Mormon Church? That is the start of the differences, but not a big deal these days.

Romney is also going to need to address his years as governor. RomneyCare is going to be continuous. As will his poor performance on jobs - 48th is not something you want to run on.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: Superfly
Posted 2012-06-05 09:10:58 and read 1796 times.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
A pretty good demonstration that a wealthy person can throw in a pile of cash and garbage and shift an election.


Just like President Obama who is expected to raise $1BILLION ! ! !
That is a lot more than Romney and it looks like Obama has a lot of 1%ers donating to his campaign. Don't think they're donating to him out of the goodness of their heart.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
provided the Democrats with a treasure trove of sound bites against Romney.


Well of course because Obama can't run on his own accomplishments.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
Know how to dress well and can get a seat in a good restaurant.


So can Obama.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
What did Romney do besides his two years in Paris for the Mormon Church?



Don't EVEN go there!

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
RomneyCare is going to be continuous.


...and he's already explained that and will be very happy to explain what he had accomplished with bi-partisan support with RomneyCare in MA. The voters in MA elected Republican Scott Brown to block Obama's health-care bill.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: casinterest
Posted 2012-06-05 09:18:55 and read 1791 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Don't EVEN go there!

Why not?
It's a valid point. Especially for the Freedom Fries cheer crew.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
The voters in MA elected Republican Scott Brown to block Obama's health-care bill.

So voters in Mass are one issue dimwits?


Romney is john Kerry all over. Bland entitled politician who feels he has "earned" the shot at the presidency.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-06-05 09:31:52 and read 1785 times.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
I believe that Romney is a lot like Kerry in some ways. Wealth, for sure. Both "good guys". Know how to dress well and can get a seat in a good restaurant.

This isn't the first time I've heard the comparison between Kerry and Romney. The big common factor between the two is that they are just too...what's the word...shiny? They both were a lot like the CO (now UA) livery. Bland, boring, and cheerfully inoffensive. Just...stiff. And Romney I think has that problem even worse than Kerry did. In fact, Kerry looked downright gritty as compared to Romney, who seems to be still in his shrink-wrap or something.

Something that you need to beat an incumbent is passion. You really need to be able to rile up your base to go to the polls and turn out. Unfortunately for Romney, I just don't think he has it.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: Superfly
Posted 2012-06-05 09:40:47 and read 1780 times.

Quoting casinterest (Reply 4):
Why not?
It's a valid point. Especially for the Freedom Fries cheer crew.

Because going in to Obama's past unearths many shady characters including terrorist.

Quoting casinterest (Reply 4):
So voters in Mass are one issue dimwits?

Quite possibly. Scott Brown might lose to a fake Indian.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
The big common factor between the two is that they are just too...what's the word...shiny?

....and Obama is sooooo rugged and gritty!
LOL!

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-06-05 09:46:34 and read 1771 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
....and Obama is sooooo rugged and gritty!

Hey, he smoked some herb when he was a kid (and now is on some bizarre unpopular crusade against it, admittedly), spent a lot of his childhood in Indonesia, is biracial from a time before that was even "cool," and doesn't look half-bad with his shirt off. He has the feel of a man who has lived a bit.

Romney, in all likelihood, has never touched alcohol, let alone herb. He's probably only ever had sex with his wife. Probably doesn't even swear. He's just a little too picture-perfect, and I think that's going to alienate him from some voters simply because they can't relate to someone that squeaky-clean.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: Ken777
Posted 2012-06-05 09:48:50 and read 1769 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
....and Obama is sooooo rugged and gritty!

At least he can play a bit of basketball.

Romney probably doesn't dribble - him Mommy would have told him that it wasn't the thing to do.

I say we need a game of 1 On 1. On TV. Prime time.

Romney will probably wear well pressed jeans & wingtips.         

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: Superfly
Posted 2012-06-05 09:55:32 and read 1766 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
Romney, in all likelihood, has never touched alcohol, let alone herb. He's probably only ever had sex with his wife. Probably doesn't even swear. He's just a little too picture-perfect, and I think that's going to alienate him from some voters simply because they can't relate to someone that squeaky-clean.



That is why I was for Newt Gingrich in the end. He is far from perfect. He is ugly, mean, a total d--k and is unpredictable. That is what I really wanted to see go up against that pretty boy in the White House right now.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 8):
At least he can play a bit of basketball.


...yet throws a baseball like a girl.  
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 8):
I say we need a game of 1 On 1. On TV. Prime time.



I say we send Obama on a 1 way ticket to Hollywood to be with his friends. He is a much better actor than a politician.
Yes Romney is boring and square which I'm totally OK with. I'm not looking to elect someone for their 'cool' factor.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: einsteinboricua
Posted 2012-06-05 10:07:20 and read 1758 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 8):
At least he can play a bit of basketball.


...yet throws a baseball like a girl.

So he's not perfect. Do you expect Michael Phelps to bowl a perfect game?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
That is why I was for Newt Gingrich in the end. He is far from perfect. He is ugly, mean, a total d--k and is unpredictable. That is what I really wanted to see go up against that pretty boy in the White House right now.

So, if I understood this correctly, you'd rather have someone who flipflops on every issue and then not owe you an excuse rather than have someone who may consistently maintain a position on an issue and justify it whether he changes his stance or not? No wonder the US is going down the drain...  

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: Superfly
Posted 2012-06-05 10:17:16 and read 1751 times.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 10):
No wonder the US is going down the drain...

....and who is the President right now?

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 10):
Do you expect Michael Phelps to bowl a perfect game?

Of course not.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 10):
So he's not perfect.

You can't say that!
He is perfect!
-well according to the press and his supporters.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: einsteinboricua
Posted 2012-06-05 10:29:22 and read 1738 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 10):
So he's not perfect.

You can't say that!
He is perfect!
-well according to the press and his supporters.

I'm a supporter and don't believe what the media says all the time. I can recognize by myself whether a candidate is suitable or not. I'm satisfied with what he's done and I'd like to see him win a second term.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-06-05 11:56:29 and read 1694 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
That is why I was for Newt Gingrich in the end. He is far from perfect. He is ugly, mean, a total d--k and is unpredictable. That is what I really wanted to see go up against that pretty boy in the White House right now.

The trouble wit Newt is that he was OK with himself being an adulterous womanizer, but he's going to tell everyone else about morality. Hypocrites fall somewhere below serial killers on my list of people for whom I have a use. Serial killers have some theoretical uses.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
....and who is the President right now?

Who is in charge of actually making laws right now? That's the bigger question.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: Revelation
Posted 2012-06-05 11:59:24 and read 1694 times.

Quoting KFLLCFII (Thread starter):
seems to go whichever way the wind blows

IMHO Romney is a flip-flopper just like Kerry. He so desperately wants the job, he'll take whatever position he thinks he needs to take to get the job.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
And, the critical factor in that election, the Swift Boat attacks. A pretty good demonstration that a wealthy person can throw in a pile of cash and garbage and shift an election.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Just like President Obama who is expected to raise $1BILLION ! ! !
That is a lot more than Romney and it looks like Obama has a lot of 1%ers donating to his campaign. Don't think they're donating to him out of the goodness of their heart.

Yes, Obama is projected to raise more than $1B, but if you throw in the PACs and SuperPACs, Romney is projected to raise something like 30% more money than Obama, and it's that money that ends up being used for things like the Swift Boat attack ads, because the campaign can blame the SuperPAC for going negative if the ads end up going a step too far.

It seems the conservative side is splintered but each of those splinters (guns, anti-abortion, anti-gay, tea party, "patriots", etc) are very effective at getting their supporters to part with their money.

I heard that an insider said that if you live in a swing state you should just throw your TV out, because all you will be seeing this fall are attack ads.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: Superfly
Posted 2012-06-05 12:09:27 and read 1689 times.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
Romney is projected to raise something like 30% more money than Obama


I hope you're right.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
that money that ends up being used for things like the Swift Boat attack ads, because the campaign can blame the SuperPAC for going negative if the ads end up going a step too far.


Actually Romney can emphasize Obama's record as President. He can run a clean campaign on the issues and point out Obama's record as President.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
I heard that an insider said that if you live in a swing state you should just throw your TV out, because all you will be seeing this fall are attack ads.


People should throw out their TVs anyway. Nothing worth watching since the Three's Company went off air.
Besides, those negotiations about Obamacare never aired on C-span as he promised.  

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-06-05 12:52:31 and read 1667 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Nothing worth watching since the Three's Company went off air.

The Discovery Channel's show: "Wings."

All your arguments are invalid.  
Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):

It seems the conservative side is splintered but each of those splinters (guns, anti-abortion, anti-gay, tea party, "patriots", etc) are very effective at getting their supporters to part with their money.

The Conservative side is very united in their hatred for Obama. So united that you will see Evangelical Christians voting for someone who only months ago, they would have said was a "dangerous cultist."

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: casinterest
Posted 2012-06-05 12:55:47 and read 1663 times.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
I heard that an insider said that if you live in a swing state you should just throw your TV out, because all you will be seeing this fall are attack ads.

I am already planning on canceling cable subscription. It is already so fricken annoying . the half facts and falsehoods are just annoying from both sides.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: Ken777
Posted 2012-06-05 15:12:28 and read 1633 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Just like President Obama who is expected to raise $1BILLION ! ! !

First, I was talking about one guy with a lot of money funding the Swift Boat BullShit. I consider that a low point in politics.

Secondly, it looks like the GOP will raise more money this time around, especially with Citizens United allowing corporations pour shareholder's money into campaigns.

This is an election where, dollar wise, the advantage will go to the GOP.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Well of course because Obama can't run on his own accomplishments.

He can start with stopping the horrid financial collapse in this country (the Bush/Cheney Great Recession - remember?)

Then the point to the health reform, which was part of his 08 campaign. Anyone with a pre-existing condition can remember that one.

Then there is the improvement in international relations. Taking us away from the Ugly American of the Bush/Cheney Years.

Then, of course, his use of SEAL Team 6 multiple times, including the killing of OBL. That beat the hell out of the Bush/Cheney EGO War in Iraq.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
So can Obama.

But Romney was able to from birth. Romney was born with money and connections - thanks to wonderful cars, like the Lark and Gremlin.

Obama was born at a lower economic level, to understate the situation.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Don't EVEN go there!

Why not? It is a Church with a lot of "secret mystics", was founded on polygamy and (until recently) excluded blacks.

And they have magic underwear!   

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
...and he's already explained that

Sure he has - to his satisfaction. Unfortunately RomneyCare did establish a mandate in the country - first state to do so. Personally I prefer core care based on a Medicare type program with gap available. RomneyCare type programs hold costs down, but don't really reduce costs.

RomneyCare will be a sticking point until the election.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Well of course because Obama can't run on his own accomplishments.

Do you really believe that the GOP has never used sound bites from Democratic primaries? Come on, you know they have and will continue to do it in the future whenever possible.

It is just that the GOP primaries presented so many opportunities for soundbites and they were, in many cases, pretty brutal.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
He is far from perfect. He is ugly, mean, a total d--k and is unpredictable.

And he would have ended up having more problems with the GOP than Willard. I'll give him credit when it comes to campaigning - at least on the debate stage. He would have been exposed to some hard hits that make the Swift Boat game look pretty tame and probably was unelectable because of his dark side.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
...yet throws a baseball like a girl.

And he scores. The guy can hit a 3 pointer and you don't like his form?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
....and who is the President right now?

The guy that came in to clean up the massive FUMAR of the Great Recession.

The guy who is pulling troops out of Iraq after the GOP invaded it for so called WMDs.

The guy who was able to kill OBL without invading an entire country.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
He so desperately wants the job, he'll take whatever position he thinks he needs to take to get the job.

Ain't that the truth!

What we need to wait for is the name of the running mate. Chances of getting someone like Cheney is pretty scary, with Romney not being the strongest of political wills. A Cheney type VP would control him with ease - just like Cheney appears to have done with W.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2012-06-05 15:46:28 and read 1615 times.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
Then, of course, his use of SEAL Team 6 multiple times, including the killing of OBL. That beat the hell out of the Bush/Cheney EGO War in Iraq.

And DADT was repealed under his watch, where DoMA was enacted under Clinton. In my opinion, Obama has been very shrewd in his first three years. He's given something, not a lot, and not everything promised, but something, to almost every partisan group out there.

I recall all the posts here in 2008 claiming that Obama wasn't CiC material. But he drew down forces in Iraq without the country going into civil war, while Afghanistan is still a work in progress. No major wars I can think of have broken out under his watch. No large-scale acts of terrorism have taken place. These are all things that are going to appeal to a wide audience who are looking for some stability to enable the economy to recover further.

I won't claim that I've been totally happy with Obama, but I certainly don't have that "we've really gotta get this guy out of office" that I felt towards Bush in '04. There are probably many others out there with the same point of view.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: Ken777
Posted 2012-06-05 17:30:41 and read 1576 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
And DADT was repealed under his watch

I'd forgotten that one. During my time in the Navy (late 60s) I probably served with a total of around 2,500 to 3,000 people on board 2 ships. One would have to be naive to believe that none were gay, but none were "identified" or came out.

At least these days there is no fear about the being outed.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
No large-scale acts of terrorism have taken place.

I don't believe any President can take credit for that, now or in the future. Boots on the ground will be what protects us, just like it has since 9/11. The issue for politicians will be to finance those boots, provide training, equipment, any needed recruitment, etc.

Where Obama has bested Bush is in going after the terrorists. Looks like another one has felt Obama's bite:

Quote:

Al-Qaeda’s No. 2 leader killed in U.S. airstrike
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...6/05/gJQAHTZiFV_story.html?hpid=z1

thumbs up for the Boots and credit to Obama for this approach. Far better, more effective and far less expensive than an invasion & 10 year unnecessary war.

Maybe we need to thoroughly vent kWillard on which President h will mirror - Bush or Obama - when it comes to terrorists.  Wow!

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: einsteinboricua
Posted 2012-06-05 18:07:01 and read 1562 times.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):
Where Obama has bested Bush is in going after the terrorists. Looks like another one has felt Obama's bite:

Quote:

Al-Qaeda’s No. 2 leader killed in U.S. airstrike
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...6/05/gJQAHTZiFV_story.html?hpid=z1

thumbs up for the Boots and credit to Obama for this approach. Far better, more effective and far less expensive than an invasion & 10 year unnecessary war.

Indeed...that Muslim loving president which shows mercy as far as terrorists are concerned. I bet you anything that people in the GOP somehow wish that news about Al Qaeda leaders being killed would disappear from the media or were made up. In less than four years, Obama has managed to strike top leaders countless times, the most notable, of course, Osama bin Laden. Having struck again at the top of the organization, Al Qaeda is at its weakest point (though still poses a threat).

[Edited 2012-06-05 18:07:36]

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: Revelation
Posted 2012-06-05 19:08:08 and read 1537 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
He can run a clean campaign on the issues and point out Obama's record as President.

Both sides will do their best to make sure their man stays above the fray, while they carefully orchestrate massive mud slinging campaigns using their PACs.

The campaign could go either way, and I don't know what will be worse: 4 more years of the Republicans putting sticks in between Obama's spokes, or 4 years of that gormless stuffed shirt Romney making GWB look like a genius in comparison.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: einsteinboricua
Posted 2012-06-05 19:11:56 and read 1536 times.

One thing we can expect from a GOP victory: they'll do exactly what they have criticized Obama for doing these years: blame the predecessor. But, since it's the GOP, it's all good. Because all GOP presidents are perfect in every aspect. It's only the Democrat presidents that mess up the economy.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: Superfly
Posted 2012-06-05 22:27:38 and read 1500 times.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
I was talking about one guy with a lot of money funding the Swift Boat BullShit. I consider that a low point in politics.


Hey I agree that was B.S. That is partially why I voted for Kerry.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
Then there is the improvement in international relations. Taking us away from the Ugly American of the Bush/Cheney Years.


Hah! You really believe that huh?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
Then, of course, his use of SEAL Team 6 multiple times, including the killing of OBL.



Whatever, Obama get's so much credit for that. Obama didn't get Osama.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
Romney was born with money and connections


So? Roosevelt and Kennedy was born with money and connections too.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
Why not? It is a Church with a lot of "secret mystics", was founded on polygamy and (until recently) excluded blacks.

And they have magic underwear!


....and Obama defends a religion that started slavery in Africa and practiced it for hundreds of years longer than in the US and defends a religion that still oppresses women today. You may want to read up on that. If you really want to go there, just look at what side Romney's Church was on during the Civil War.
I'm no fan of Romney's religion either but luckily he has never imposed his religious beliefs in business or as an elected official. Obama on the other hand....

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
The guy can hit a 3 pointer and you don't like his form?


I don't care about basketball.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
The guy who is pulling troops out of Iraq after the GOP invaded it for so called WMDs.


They were able to do it with Democratic support.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: Ken777
Posted 2012-06-07 14:35:56 and read 1373 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 24):
Hah! You really believe that huh?

I've been more than a little embarrassed during the Bush/Cheney Years (especially after an unnecessary innovation) when traveling overseas. The in-laws were clear in their deteriorating opinions of the US.

Those were the days when Bush & Cheney believed they ruled the world and it wasn't always pretty.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 24):
Whatever, Obama get's so much credit for that. Obama didn't get Osama.

Obama took a major political risk in giving the green light - multiple times. You only have to remember Carter taking on the responsibility for the failed mission to rescue the captives in Iran.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 24):
Roosevelt and Kennedy was born with money and connections too.

Wealth in itself is certainly not a crime. There have been people who were "financially comfortable" and were able to serve without conflicts of interest.

Today the issues are different. How odd that Halliburton was able to step up and deliver on a no bid contract when their previous CEO was the VP and a driver to go to war. Amazing how fast that no bid contract was prepared.

Now we have a guy running for president from Bain & Co. How many times would he make decisions against Bain if he's elected. And would he really be prepared to sever all ties with Bain - she it would personally cost him around $100 Million in one Presidential Term alone?

Sorry, but after the Cheney/Halliburton games I have a hard time trusting a Bain CEO.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 24):
I don't care about basketball.

Are you short & uncoordinated like I am? I couldn't dunk a ball if they gave me a ladder.

But I did see the last 14 minutes of the Thunder game last night - first time in years.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 24):
They were able to do it with Democratic support.

They were able to do it with a lot of BS & lies.

During the period of time leading up to the invasion Americans (Republicans, Democrats and Independents) supported our President. It was after the truth started coming out that it was obvious we were played.

Buy, hey, Halliburton did OK, didn't they?

And how much did Cheney have in Halliburton shares?

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: Superfly
Posted 2012-06-08 04:22:26 and read 1302 times.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 25):
I've been more than a little embarrassed during the Bush/Cheney Years (especially after an unnecessary innovation) when traveling overseas. The in-laws were clear in their deteriorating opinions of the US.

Have you been hanging out with Michelle Obama?  Silly
You're sounding like a self-loathing lefty that thinks the world hates them and is just waiting to beat you up (I'm stealing a quote from Maverick11) Did you wear a Canadian flag on your travels as well?
I traveled a lot during the Dubya years and never felt ashamed or embarrassed to be an American. Intelligent people in other countries understand that not all 300million+ Americans were not in lock step with Dubya & Co.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 25):
Obama took a major political risk in giving the green light - multiple times. You only have to remember Carter taking on the responsibility for the failed mission to rescue the captives in Iran.

No chance of a sand-storm to cloud that operation inside Bin Laden's house.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 25):
Now we have a guy running for president from Bain & Co. How many times would he make decisions against Bain if he's elected. And would he really be prepared to sever all ties with Bain - she it would personally cost him around $100 Million in one Presidential Term alone?

Give it a rest. Many Democrats have came out in support of Romney's job at Bain. As Obama pounds his anti-capitalist drum, Democrats have came out to condemn Obama.
Clinton, Corey Booker, Harold Ford Jr., Lanny Davis, Heidi Heitkamp and Obama's very own car czar Steve Rattner have came out to condemn Obama's ignorant comments about Bain Capitol.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 25):
Are you short & uncoordinated like I am? I couldn't dunk a ball if they gave me a ladder.

Oh that's so cute.
My lack of interest has nothing to do with my ability to play the sport. Although I'm glad that the Lakers were eliminated. Mainly because I find their fans annoying.   

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 25):
Buy, hey, Halliburton did OK, didn't they?

And how much did Cheney have in Halliburton shares?

General Electric did even better by paying ZERO taxes, created jobs in China and eliminated jobs in Wisconsin. It's amazing what a company can get away with when their CEO is Obama's 'jobs czar'.  

[Edited 2012-06-08 04:45:51]

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: Revelation
Posted 2012-06-08 07:57:26 and read 1270 times.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 25):
Obama took a major political risk in giving the green light - multiple times. You only have to remember Carter taking on the responsibility for the failed mission to rescue the captives in Iran.

I think any administration in modern times would have taken the shot.

For instance, I think the geriatric and the MILF from LensCrafters would have had no problem with it.

Given our current acceptance of drones to accomplish "wet jobs" that used to be strictly forbidden, it's pretty much a given.

What is still hard to stomach is a sitting President who chose to invade the wrong target and lied through his pants to accomplish and then justify that.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 26):
You're sounding like a self-loathing lefty that thinks the world hates them and is just waiting to beat you up (I'm stealing a quote from Maverick11)

It was Henry Kissinger who famously said "Even paranoids have enemies"...

In this case, self-loathing is a healthy thing. We as a nation should have learned our lesson from Vietnam. Dubya was too busy dodging the war via blowing off his National Guard commitments and getting drunk and sniffing coke to take much notice of Vietnam.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 26):
General Electric did even better by paying ZERO taxes, created jobs in China and eliminated jobs in Wisconsin. It's amazing what a company can get away with when their CEO is Obama's 'jobs czar'.

Really? What President has control over where corporations hire employees? Which President has the ability to change the corporate tax laws? Wouldn't the GOP howl if the President could decide these things?

Unfortunately or not, the CinC does have the power to direct the military, and the Congress only has limited ability to restrict him after the fact.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: Superfly
Posted 2012-06-08 14:48:40 and read 1235 times.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 27):
I think any administration in modern times would have taken the shot.

  
Well of course but the endearing press is trying to give Obama all the credit.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 27):
What is still hard to stomach is a sitting President who chose to invade the wrong target and lied through his pants to accomplish and then justify that.

Dubya was a horrible President. No argument there. Doesn't excuse the lousy job of Barack Hussein Obama.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 27):
What President has control over where corporations hire employees?

Obama.
He created a position for him as his jobs czar as if G.E. is somehow a model company to set an example. All of the problems that Obama campaigned against in 2008 is epitomized with G.E.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-06-08 15:24:44 and read 1229 times.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 27):
I think any administration in modern times would have taken the shot.

Not sure. Some of his advisers told him not to.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
Dubya was a horrible President. No argument there. Doesn't excuse the lousy job of Barack Hussein Obama.

You know what? He has the most uncooperative congress since the Civil War and yet STILL the economy is recovering, there is a net jobs gain (barely, I'll grant), and he's ended DADT and has his sights set on DOMA. I have some major issues with some of his other policies on privacy and civil liberties, but Romney's views on these issues are a LOT worse.

Let's not forget that Romney opposed the auto bailouts. Then he claimed they were his idea. Let's not forget that he was the very architect of the "Obamacare" that the GOP now so reviles. In fact, his record flies in the face of almost everything he's said during this campaign. I fully respect and value the right of a man to disagree with himself, but he needs to be willing to admit that he was wrong. Romney just cheefully plows ahead and tries to pretend that his past doesn't exist.

Topic: RE: Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?
Username: Superfly
Posted 2012-06-08 15:38:22 and read 1224 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
He has the most uncooperative congress since the Civil War

Wrong.
Obama had a veto-proof majority his first 2 years in office.



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
yet STILL the economy is recovering,

Wrong again. The press claims that the economy is recovering but it is not. There are more able-body adults out of work today than when Obama was sworn in 3.5 years ago.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
Let's not forget that Romney opposed the auto bailouts. Then he claimed they were his idea.

Those companies went through a managed bankruptcy anyway which he had advocated all along.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
Let's not forget that he was the very architect of the "Obamacare" that the GOP now so reviles.

Please show me the 2700+ page Romney care bill please.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
Romney just cheefully plows ahead and tries to pretend that his past doesn't exist.

 Wow!
Don't EVEN go there!
Obama spend over $2MILLION to conceal his past!
I'm forgiving Romney of ALL of his faults because I at least know where he is coming from.


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