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Topic: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2012-06-24 07:36:17 and read 2525 times.

I just happened to see this while looking at the F1 Twitter feeds. RT came up with this.

Breaking news: Mohammad Morsi has won the Egyptian presidential election

The country's election commission announced the official results in a televised press conference, naming Muslim Brotherhood candidate Morsi as the first post-revolution president.
­The commission chairman also spoke at length about the various violations made by voters, including fake identity cards and ballot stuffing. In all cases, votes were either recounted or dismissed from the total.

http://www.rt.com/news/egypt-president-elections-protests-597/


Wishing the best for the future of Egypt and the Egyptian people.

[Edited 2012-06-24 07:47:29]

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: FatmirJusufi
Posted 2012-06-24 07:55:53 and read 2491 times.

I am watching all of this process live. I'm happy that Morsi won, at last after more than 80 years when Muslim Brotherhood was formed. This is the victory of demcoracy, but now they have to prove themselves.

I wish all the best for the Egyptian people.

Fatmir

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2012-06-24 07:59:38 and read 2483 times.

Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 1):
This is the victory of demcoracy, but now they have to prove themselves.


Absolutely.

This is the result of popular vote.
It will be most interesting to see how this turns out in the long run.

Egypt election results: Mohammed #Morsi musters 51.7% of the vote, former PM Ahmed Shafiq 48.27%


Wishing for the better for all Egyptians and Egypt.

[Edited 2012-06-24 08:02:45]

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: Acheron
Posted 2012-06-24 08:50:12 and read 2413 times.

Watch it spiral into a theocracy in a couple of years.

Sucks for the Coptics, though. They should flee while they can.

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: einsteinboricua
Posted 2012-06-24 09:07:01 and read 2394 times.

Quoting Acheron (Reply 3):
Watch it spiral into a theocracy in a couple of years.

Always the optimist, aren't you?  

Give them time. It's quite possible they will go the way of Turkey where Islam dominates life but the government remains secular.

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2012-06-24 09:09:48 and read 2394 times.

Quoting Acheron (Reply 3):
Watch it spiral into a theocracy in a couple of years.

My main concern is how the situation will turn with neighbouring Israel. Their extremes hate the Muslim Brotherhood with a passion and the Muslim Brotherhood extremes hate zionists furiously.

Mohammed Morsi vs. Benyamin Netanyahu will most probably not get along and agree on many subjects concerning the region, using moderate words here.

This is not a good situation.

Also from today on Western tourism in Egypt might be dwindling, maybe fading away. If tourism ends it will be a lot of revenue that will disappear.

Let's see how the situation turns out.

Now they celebrate. What will it become later no one really knows.

   

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: windy95
Posted 2012-06-24 09:58:34 and read 2341 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Wishing the best for the future of Egypt and the Egyptian people.
Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 1):
I wish all the best for the Egyptian people.

Cleric Introduces Egypt's New President: Our Capital 'Shall Be Jerusalem, Allah Willing'

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...l-Shall-Be-Jerusalem-Allah-Willing

looks like a great guy.

Quoting Acheron (Reply 3):
Watch it spiral into a theocracy in a couple of years.

You bet. Can you smell that Arab spring.

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: Acheron
Posted 2012-06-24 10:01:40 and read 2341 times.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
Always the optimist, aren't you?  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDknjLYaguQ

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-06-24 10:26:56 and read 2313 times.

Fantastic! They democratically elected themselves another dictatorship!

How about we just cut off all ties and let them carry on?

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: Aesma
Posted 2012-06-24 10:28:27 and read 2309 times.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
Give them time. It's quite possible they will go the way of Turkey where Islam dominates life but the government remains secular.

But Turkey started that process with an "enlightened" and very secular leader, not a "moderate" Islamist.

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: FatmirJusufi
Posted 2012-06-24 12:00:56 and read 2249 times.

Guys, let's not prejudice about the further processes in Egypt. After all, wasn't Mubarak's regime who has been against its citizens recently — killings, imprisonments, tortures? Egyptian people wanted changes and that era came. Now it's totally up to Muslim Brotherhood to prove they were the right choice.

Fatmir

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: kaitak
Posted 2012-06-24 12:44:38 and read 2218 times.

I wouldn't be all that negative right now; Morsi's freedom of movement will be pretty limited; the army will be "guiding" him and will be watching carefully for a move towards Islamic fundamentalism. I see the most likely option as being that Morsi will be mostly a figurehead; the MB will have their president, but the real power will rest with the army.

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: francoflier
Posted 2012-06-24 13:45:22 and read 2176 times.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 11):
I see the most likely option as being that Morsi will be mostly a figurehead; the MB will have their president, but the real power will rest with the army.

Exactly, as this result is probably the issue of negotiations between the army and the Muslim brotherhood.
None of those parties should be left with complete controls over the country in my opinion, but the two of them might actually balance each other into an acceptable compromise which also satisfies democracy (kind of).

There will likely be a lot of friction between the two sides internally, but let's hope it remains a stable government and avoids deviating towards secularization or militarization.

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: falstaff
Posted 2012-06-24 14:53:44 and read 2147 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
How about we just cut off all ties and let them carry on?

I would love that to happen.

Quoting Acheron (Reply 3):
Sucks for the Coptics, though. They should flee while they can.

I am sure they will be chased out. I read about them in National Geographic and in some literature from the Episcopal/Anglican church. The Muslim extremists did a good job of running the Christians out of Iraq.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
They democratically elected themselves another dictatorship!

That seems to be the case. I bet things won't be too much different for the average guy on the street either. They just traded one group of thugs for another. Eventually the new leadership will meet the same fate as the old, which seems to happen in that part of the world a lot.

The "Arab Spring" was nothing like the fall of the USSR and the Eastern Bloc, because stability came from that and less stability is coming from this.

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: Dreadnought
Posted 2012-06-24 16:43:15 and read 2086 times.

Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 1):
I am watching all of this process live. I'm happy that Morsi won, at last after more than 80 years when Muslim Brotherhood was formed. This is the victory of demcoracy, but now they have to prove themselves.

Oh no worries. This Morsi fellow seems like the kind of modern-day diplomat with whom the West can work. Here he is on the campaign trail earlier, complimenting Israel about Jerusalem and telling the crowd he’d like to visit there soon… accompanied by a few million martyrs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9znepNvkrxI&feature=player_embedded

It’s a catchy tune and you can dance to it, but somehow I don’t see it playing well on MTV. Note well how Morsi tells the crowd to forget about the world and “conferences,” and that Jerusalem (al-Quds) will be their capital.

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: windy95
Posted 2012-06-24 18:08:16 and read 2047 times.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 14):
It%u2019s a catchy tune and you can dance to it




I see you missed where I posted this above.    Million's of martyrs march toward Jerusalem is a catchy presidential slogan.

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: einsteinboricua
Posted 2012-06-24 18:22:11 and read 2036 times.

Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 10):
Guys, let's not prejudice about the further processes in Egypt. After all, wasn't Mubarak's regime who has been against its citizens recently — killings, imprisonments, tortures? Egyptian people wanted changes and that era came. Now it's totally up to Muslim Brotherhood to prove they were the right choice.

I agree. We wanted democracy to come to the Middle East. Democracy came with the overthrow of Mubarak and the election of the Muslim Brotherhood...oh...wait...I see...the outcome wasn't what you wanted it to be and now there's a rant going on.

Why don't we let the new government take power and see how it all works out? We should trust that Egyptians made the right choice. Whether it's the one we wanted or not, that's democracy for you: one side wins, the other must put up with it until the next election.

I trust that the military will serve as a guarantee that should the president or parliament step out of line, they'll be able to grab power and give it to another person worthy of guiding the country.

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: n229nw
Posted 2012-06-24 18:27:41 and read 2032 times.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 14):
Here he is on the campaign trail earlier,
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 14):
Note well how Morsi tells the crowd to forget about the world and “conferences,” and that Jerusalem (al-Quds) will be their capital.

No, that's not him.

But nice try.

The guy in the video is mad scary, it's true, and Morsi has not distanced himself from him. But he was playing for votes. A lot like a lot of the religious right wackos that the Republicans in the US cozy up to say things just as scary, and the Republican candidates still don't disassociate themselves, because they want the votes.

There are definitely a lot of extremists in the Muslim Brotherhood. But much of them are more moderate. And I'm actually optimistic there will be some balance of power. Let's hope.

Btw, MemriTV is basically just a propaganda platform abroad for the Israeli right (Likud). So they show this, but they don't show, for example, the current Israeli Minister of Foreign affairs saying that Israel belongs to the white man, and the Sudanese refugee "infiltrators" must be stopped. Meanwhile, Bibi Netanyahu stokes the same flames and thus encourages the attacks on migrant workers that have been growing recently. My point is that you can quite easily make either or both sides of the Middle East conflict look very scary...So let's just see what happens. Similarly, MemriTV bringing on a pundit to warn about Islamism in Egypt is no different to any other news channel with its own angle bringing on their talking heads...

The Muslim Brotherhood has been repressed for so long in Egypt that they were bound to win a lot of votes. But they may now be in a complicated dance of power that may expose their weaknesses and lead toward a lot of compromise and their eventual fading from the mainstream. Keep in mind, this election was quite close...and had the other candidate not represented the old regime, the Brotherhood might not even have won...

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: windy95
Posted 2012-06-24 18:28:26 and read 2031 times.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 16):
Democracy came with the overthrow of Mubarak

No the Military came with the overthrow.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 16):
Why don't we let the new government take power and see how it all works out?

What power will the military give it?

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 16):
I trust that the military will serve as a guarantee that should the president or parliament step out of line, they'll be able to grab power and give it to another person worthy of guiding the country

What form of Democracy is that?

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-06-24 18:32:39 and read 2027 times.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 16):
We wanted democracy to come to the Middle East.

I wasn't that keen on the idea.

mariner

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: Aesma
Posted 2012-06-24 20:16:05 and read 1984 times.

Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 10):
Guys, let's not prejudice about the further processes in Egypt. After all, wasn't Mubarak's regime who has been against its citizens recently — killings, imprisonments, tortures? Egyptian people wanted changes and that era came. Now it's totally up to Muslim Brotherhood to prove they were the right choice.

Fatmir
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 16):
I agree. We wanted democracy to come to the Middle East. Democracy came with the overthrow of Mubarak and the election of the Muslim Brotherhood...oh...wait...I see...the outcome wasn't what you wanted it to be and now there's a rant going on.

The thing is, the people doing the revolution, they weren't the Muslim Brotherhood, and they didn't want the Muslim Brotherhood in power.

Alas, they weren't a united party, unlike the Muslim Brotherhood, so when it was time for politics, they didn't stand a chance.

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: TheCol
Posted 2012-06-24 22:13:50 and read 1962 times.

IMHO, this isn't an improvement to the political situation in Egypt. It's only a matter of time before the Muslim Brotherhood and the military start a civil war. A key indicator of that will be Iran's future involvement with Egypt.

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: Acheron
Posted 2012-06-25 14:23:02 and read 1825 times.

Quote:

Egypt’s Constitution should be based on the Koran and Sharia law, presidential candidate from the Muslim Brotherhood Islamist movement Mohamed Morsi said.

“The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal,” Morsi said in his election speech before Cairo University students on Saturday night.
http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_05_13/74584752/


Yep. This is not going to end well...

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-06-25 16:33:00 and read 1792 times.

Quoting Acheron (Reply 22):
Yep. This is not going to end well...

Agreed. This is as if Rick Santorum won the Presidency while a bunch of his lackeys took over Congress. Except now imagine that there wasn't a Supreme Court to temper the matter.

Topic: RE: Mohammad Morsi Elected New President Of Egypt
Username: fridgmus
Posted 2012-06-25 17:11:49 and read 1771 times.

Quoting TheCol (Reply 21):
A key indicator of that will be Iran's future involvement with Egypt.

      

"A Middle Eastern Democracy and a Western Democracy are two different things."

I don't know who said it, but it sure does sound about right.


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