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Topic: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2012-10-11 11:51:22 and read 3302 times.

Korean International Circuit
Yeongam, South Korea

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo250/parisquilts/Divers/F1KoreanGP_zpsafa4747f.jpg

Circuit Turns 23
Laps 55
Race Distance 308,83 km
Lap Record Fernando Alonso

2011 F1 Korean Race Edit in HD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bG4tEG0TTI&feature=youtu.be

  

October 12: Free practice 1
10:00 local | 01:00 GMT | 03:00 CEST
October 12: Free practice 2
14:00 local | 05:00 GMT | 07:00 CEST
October 13: Free practice 3
11:00 local | 02:00 GMT | 04:00 CEST
October 13: Qualifying
14:00 local | 05:00 GMT | 07:00 CEST
October 14: Race
15:00 local | 06:00 GMT | 08:00 CEST

     

Welcoming Monisha Kaltenborn as the first woman to become F1 Team Principal
Congratulations Madam! All the very best!

  

Who will win this time? Vettel? Alonso? Jenson Button? Will Grosjean create more turmoil?
Any chance of a podium for Schumi this time around?

F1 racing goes Yeongam style!

                       

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2012-10-12 00:25:15 and read 3242 times.

Korean Grand Prix Yeongam

Free Practice 1 Results

Driver Teams Time
1 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'39.148
2 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'39.450
3 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'39.575
4 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'39.854
5 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'40.088
6 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1'40.221
7 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'40.396
8 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'40.422
9 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'40.440
10 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'40.480
11 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'40.929
12 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'41.048
13 J Bianchi (FRA) Force India 1'41.140
14 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'41.220
15 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'41.514
16 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'41.596
17 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'42.021
18 V Bottas (FIN) Williams 1'42.027
19 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 1'42.104
20 T Glock (GER) Marussia 1'42.175
21 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 1'42.706
22 G van der Garde (NED) Caterham 1'42.820
23 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 1'44.517
24 D Clos (ESP) HRT 1'45.735

  

Free Practice 1 Results

Driver Team Time
1 Vettel GER Red Bull 1'38.832
2 Webber AUS Red Bull 1'38.864
3 Alonso ESP Ferrari 1'39.160
4 Button GBR McLaren 1'39.219
5 Schumacher GER Mercedes 1'39.330
6 Massa BRA Ferrari 1'39.422
7 Rosberg GER Mercedes 1'39.584
8 Hamilton GBR McLaren 1'39.717
9 Hülkenberg GER Force India 1'39.739
10 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 1'39.839
11 Grosjean FRA Lotus 1'39.957
12 Senna BRA Williams 1'40.089
13 di Resta GBR Force India 1'40.112
14 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 1'40.445
15 Perez MEX Sauber 1'40.745
16 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 1'40.789
17 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 1'40.997
18 Maldonado VEN Williams 1'41.200
19 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 1'41.602
20 Glock GER Marussia 1'42.596
21 Pic FRA Marussia 1'43.066
22 Petrov RUS Caterham 1'43.067
23 Karthikeyan IND HRT 1'43.869
24 de la Rosa ESP HRT 1'44.533

  


Marussia test driver Maria de Villotta gave her first public interview after her terrible crash that lost her one eye.

Quote:
"Before, I only saw F1, I saw myself in a car competing. I did not see what was important in life, the clarity to say: 'I am alive,'" she said.
"It has given me my bearings, given me back what's important. I accept it with the energy to say I am going to live out this chance 100%."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19912490

I hope this very brave woman will be able to continue with F1 outside of racing.

 

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2012-10-12 23:39:59 and read 3165 times.

Mark Webber snatches Pole at Yeongam

Qalifying results with times

Driver Teams Time
1 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'37.242
2 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'37.316
3 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'37.469
4 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'37.534
5 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'37.625
6 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'37.884
7 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'37.934
8 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 1'38.266
9 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'38.361
10 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1'38.513
11 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'38.441
12 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'38.460
13 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'38.594
14 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'38.643
15 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'38.725
16 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'39.084
17 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'39.340
18 B Senna (BRA) Williams 1'39.443
19 V Petrov (RUS) Caterham 1'40.207
20 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 1'40.333
21 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 1'41.317
22 T Glock (GER) Marussia 1'41.371
23 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 1'42.881
24 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT -

It's two Red Bulls followed by a McLaren and a Ferrari.

              

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-10-13 02:56:14 and read 3140 times.

Being on the dirtier side of the track could mean trouble for both Vettel and Alonso. I hope Vettel doesn't drop back too far. I think Vettel should be more worried about defending from Hamilton than attacking Webber.

It should be an interesting race. Come on Seb!  

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: stealthz
Posted 2012-10-13 03:39:53 and read 3134 times.

mmm... can't see anything about sanctions imposed on those drivers that set their best sector times under yellow flag conditions.
That is discraceful, the drivers should be excluded from the race... at the least.

Yellow flags are for a reason and to show such disregard is unforgiveable.

Nice to see a good qual from MW, hope he doesn't go too far backward in the first lap.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: larshjort
Posted 2012-10-13 03:50:52 and read 3131 times.

Pic got a ten place grid penalty for using engine nr. 9 and Schumacher got an reprimand for blocking both HRT cars in the friday practice sessions

http://bmf1.dk/nyheder/default.asp?Id=7746

It's nice to see Massa in top ten again but I think it is too little too late. Hopefuly Alonso can make a great start tomorrow.

/Lars

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: stealthz
Posted 2012-10-13 04:53:23 and read 3121 times.

Quoting larshjort (Reply 5):
Pic got a ten place grid penalty for using engine nr. 9

That's gonna hurt... makes him what, pos 31 on a 24 car grid?

Quoting larshjort (Reply 5):
Schumacher got an reprimand for blocking both HRT cars in the friday practice sessions

MS should be beyond reprimands, he is no rookie learning the ropes... and what was with that Mercedes propping in the Pit fastlane in front of LH?

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2012-10-13 08:56:52 and read 3092 times.

Yeongam F1 Grand Prix facts and figures



           

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-10-14 03:04:23 and read 3003 times.

Great driving from Sebastian Vettel to lead every lap and win the race! It was touch and go there for a while with his tyres going off in the last few laps, but thankfully he made it to the chequered flag more or less in tact. Now, the championship battle really heats up - Vettel has taken the lead in the championship table over Alonso by 6 points, with four more races remaining.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: Charles79
Posted 2012-10-14 07:52:53 and read 2962 times.

Great results for Vettel fans (like myself) but a rather lackluster event that was more about tyre management than actual on-track action. The most significant result, though, is that Ferrari overtook McLaren in the constructor's table...I bet the Scuderia did not expect a race where McLaren walked away with a solitary point (plus some bonus astroturf!). Great results for Toro Rosso and Hulkenberg as well, and it appears that Massa has done enough to secure a place in Ferrari next year.

Now the teams get two weeks to sort themselves out and, specifically in the case of Lotus (Renault) and McLaren, decide whether to sink in more money into a championship that might be lost now and fight until the end or stop developing the car and focus on next year. Either way, I expect to see either a Red Bull or a Ferrari driver winning this year's driver championship.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: scbriml
Posted 2012-10-14 10:42:42 and read 2926 times.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 9):
Either way, I expect to see either a Red Bull or a Ferrari driver winning this year's driver championship.

I can't see it being Alonso. He looked very lacklustre today and Massa was clearly quicker.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: sudden
Posted 2012-10-15 02:47:33 and read 2858 times.

Quoting larshjort (Reply 5):
It's nice to see Massa in top ten again but I think it is too little too late.

Actually Massa has been confirmed to stay at Ferrari,
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103449

Not what I was really hoping for.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: Bill142
Posted 2012-10-15 04:03:20 and read 2841 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 8):
Great driving from Sebastian Vettel to lead every lap and win the race! It was touch and go there for a while with his tyres going off in the last few laps, but thankfully he made it to the chequered flag more or less in tact. Now, the championship battle really heats up - Vettel has taken the lead in the championship table over Alonso by 6 points, with four more races remaining.

I'm going to laugh when his over inflated ego comes and bites him before seasons end with his continued disregard of instructions by the team.

Quoting sudden (Reply 11):
Not what I was really hoping for.

I know you wanted Ide to get the seat. Maybe next year.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: stealthz
Posted 2012-10-15 04:09:45 and read 2840 times.

Hey Madame C,

Not much love for the achievements of your darling Kamui in Korea!!

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 12):
I'm going to laugh when his over inflated ego comes and bites him before seasons end with his continued disregard of instructions by the team.

And his bitter attack on his engineer at the end of Q3...
A spoilt prat, albeit a talented one but still a young kid who will benefit from some maturity but to date has shown little sign of A/ Maturity & B/ signs of learning any!

A cry baby who wins races and titles but still a long way from being a "Champion"

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2012-10-15 05:36:17 and read 2814 times.

Quoting sudden (Reply 11):
Actually Massa has been confirmed to stay at Ferrari,
http://www.autosport.com/news/report...03449

I doubt his contract renewal will last over one more season - i.e. 2013.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 13):
Hey Madame C,

Not much love for the achievements of your darling Kamui in Korea!!

Kamui is fair he recognizes his mistakes though it is true that one car had hit him at first. I could not really see which car it was but when it happened it looked to me like it was Vergne. There were no replays of that first hit, only replays of Kamui's hit that had caused JB and NR to leave the race.

Interview with Kamui:

"Initially I had a good start but then we were four cars side by side approaching Turn 3. I had Nico to the right and Jenson and Sergio on my left hand side.
"Someone hit my rear tyre and then it was impossible to control the car, but I had to brake at some point. I didn't manage to avoid the accident, and I feel very sorry for ruining someone else's race, and certainly this was not my intention.
"It was just a very difficult moment and I had nowhere to go but I think it was my mistake."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103437

He will most probably be out of the Sauber team next season (does not mean he will be out of F1). It goes around still unofficial but my sources are telling me the same. The 2013 line up at Sauber seem to be Hulkenberg and Guiterres. Guiterres is a TelMex (Carlos Slim Helu -- world's richest man -- sponsorship) same sponsor as Sergio Perez. Kamui has no strong financial support and there are no more Japanese teams in F1.

Any GP2 driver with a Mega-Millions sponsorship can easily find his way into F1 these days.

Money makes Formula 1 and Formula 1 loves making money. That is no secret.

                    

[Edited 2012-10-15 05:54:58]

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: moo
Posted 2012-10-15 05:52:42 and read 2811 times.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 12):
I'm going to laugh when his over inflated ego comes and bites him before seasons end with his continued disregard of instructions by the team.

Hes the one driving the car, and thus has the feel of the car - the team just has data. The track is a different beast at the end of the race than it is during it, due to it being completely rubbered in, so while the team may be thinking about tyre wire in absolute terms based on data, its the drivers feel that ultimately dictates how he can drive the car.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2012-10-15 08:36:27 and read 2783 times.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 10):
I can't see it being Alonso

Same here. The momentum is on Red Bull and Vettel. He's won the last 3 races, taking 75 points, while Alonso took only 30. Unless Vettel has to retire in one of the last 4 races, I can't see Alonso beat him.

On another subject, I'm happy to see two Frenchmen in the points this weekend (Grosjean 7th and Vergne 8th)  

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-10-15 22:14:15 and read 2725 times.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 12):
I'm going to laugh when his over inflated ego comes and bites him before seasons end with his continued disregard of instructions by the team.

Vettel was consistently slower than Webber between Lap 50 and Lap 54. Far from disregarding the team's instructions, he did in fact slow down towards the end of the race to preserve the tyres.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 13):
And his bitter attack on his engineer at the end of Q3...

Granted, that was uncalled for.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 13):
A spoilt prat, albeit a talented one but still a young kid who will benefit from some maturity but to date has shown little sign of A/ Maturity & B/ signs of learning any!

Really? So his progress from his 2010 season in which he crashed several times and tried his best to throw the championship away until the final four races of the season, to his complete and utter domination of 2011 and his ability to handle the pressure of a championship battle this season (shown by not making the silly errors that he was making two years ago under similar pressure) is not a sign of maturity?

Vettel has matured immeasurably as a driver since his debut season.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: sudden
Posted 2012-10-16 03:15:09 and read 2701 times.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 12):
I know you wanted Ide to get the seat. Maybe next year.

I called FIA even to ask them to reinstate Ide's Superlicense. They kind of hung up on me. So rude!

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: Bill142
Posted 2012-10-16 03:20:19 and read 2700 times.

Quoting moo (Reply 15):
Hes the one driving the car, and thus has the feel of the car - the team just has data. The track is a different beast at the end of the race than it is during it, due to it being completely rubbered in, so while the team may be thinking about tyre wire in absolute terms based on data, its the drivers feel that ultimately dictates how he can drive the car.


But he also has an inflated ego. He HAS to have the fastest lap time. He HAS to have some other stat. He HAS to have a different helmet design every race.

Whilst these are important, they're stats other drivers seem willing to go out. It's almost like some kind of OCD.

[Edited 2012-10-16 03:23:06]

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-10-16 03:29:19 and read 2696 times.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 19):
But he also has an inflated ego. He HAS to have the fastest lap time. He HAS to have some other stat. He HAS to have a different helmet design every race.

That's not an inflated ego, nor is it OCD, it's the hallmark of someone who is driven to succeed. That is precisely what I admire about him.

As for the different helmet design ... so what? What does it matter what design he chooses to have on his helmet on any given weekend? Sure, other drivers like to use it as their trade mark and thus keep the same design. I don't know how you can draw the bow between having a different helmet design every race and an "inflated ego".

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: sudden
Posted 2012-10-16 03:32:11 and read 2695 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 20):
I don't know how you can draw the bow between having a different helmet design every race and an "inflated ego".

Don't mind Bill142. He's just grumpy that Christian Albers did not get the Mclaren drive that Perez got.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: Bill142
Posted 2012-10-16 03:36:34 and read 2691 times.

Quoting sudden (Reply 21):
Don't mind Bill142. He's just grumpy that Christian Albers did not get the Mclaren drive that Perez got.

Really I wanted Sato to come back and get the drive.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: sudden
Posted 2012-10-16 03:39:56 and read 2691 times.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 22):
Really I wanted Sato to come back and get the drive.

Lets stay realistic and stick with Albers. Sato is way too good for Mclaren

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: Bill142
Posted 2012-10-16 03:50:38 and read 2688 times.

According to this Hulkenberg is driving for Ferrari next year.

Quoting sudden (Reply 23):
Lets stay realistic and stick with Albers. Sato is way too good for Mclaren

You're right. Way too good. He'll just have to stay in Indy car.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: moo
Posted 2012-10-16 03:52:30 and read 2697 times.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 19):
But he also has an inflated ego. He HAS to have the fastest lap time. He HAS to have some other stat. He HAS to have a different helmet design every race.

In your opinion - in my opinion, every racing driver has an "inflated ego", the worst being Alonso.

I see a lot of hate for Vettel, but I don't see a lot of justification for that hate.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: Bill142
Posted 2012-10-16 04:07:34 and read 2694 times.

Quoting moo (Reply 25):
I see a lot of hate for Vettel, but I don't see a lot of justification for that hate.

Oh.. Hate.. such a harsh word. I don't hate Vettel. I just don't like him..

Quoting moo (Reply 25):
In your opinion - in my opinion, every racing driver has an "inflated ego", the worst being Alonso.

Unlike Vettel, who's just been lucky, Alonso has true talent.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-10-16 04:42:55 and read 2684 times.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 26):
Unlike Vettel, who's just been lucky, Alonso has true talent.

 

In every full season he's been in F1, he has beaten his teammate. He has not lost an inter team battle yet. The yardstick by which all F1 drivers are to be measured is against his teammate so that the equipment don't skew the results. Vettel has comprehensively beaten all of them.

With 34 poles and 25 wins, Vettel is third in the list of drivers with the most pole positions, behind only Schumacher and Senna, but has a better strike rate than Schumacher. He is tied for seventh in the list of all time race wins. The only two drivers with more race wins on the current grid are Schumacher and Alonso, but Vettel has a better strike rate than Alonso.

Luck? Sure, luck may have played a part in one or two races, but luck doesn't get drivers championships. Only skill does that. Vettel is one of those amazing freak talents that come along once every now and then. He's every bit as good as Alonso. He's on his way to winning his third title in a row this year to become the youngest triple world champion in Formula 1 history, and I wouldn't bet against him winning a couple more before he hangs up his helmet a decade or so down the track.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: moo
Posted 2012-10-16 04:57:19 and read 2670 times.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 26):
Oh.. Hate.. such a harsh word. I don't hate Vettel. I just don't like him..

Well, going by your comments in here, its pretty easy to say you hate him with a passion.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 26):
Unlike Vettel, who's just been lucky, Alonso has true talent.

What is "true talent" exactly, other than opinionated tosh? Alonso threw a hissy fit when his team wouldn't prioritise him over the rookie that was kicking his ass...

I don't particularly see Alonso as any more "talented" than Vettel or Hamilton.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: GrahamHill
Posted 2012-10-16 06:29:45 and read 2651 times.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 26):
Unlike Vettel, who's just been lucky, Alonso has true talent.

Lucky in what way? I don't like much Vettel, but saying that he is lucky compared to Alonso, that's maybe going a bit far.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2012-10-16 08:40:51 and read 2630 times.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 29):
Lucky in what way? I don't like much Vettel, but saying that he is lucky compared to Alonso, that's maybe going a bit far.

From meeting him in Monaco and Monza, I think Sebastian Vettel is a very fine person and a very fine F1 driver. I can't take that away from him.

I think his "luck" is being a driver in Formula 1's richest team "Red Bull" undoubtedly the team with the most money among all teams, the team with the best cars and a genius named Adrian Newey.

I wish I could have seen Schumi as Vettel's team mate at Red Bull for a season or three rather than seeing him racing for Mercedes AMG Petronas. Chances are that Seb's results would have been a lot different with Schumi as his team mate.

        

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: Charles79
Posted 2012-10-16 11:23:04 and read 2617 times.

Quoting moo (Reply 25):
I see a lot of hate for Vettel, but I don't see a lot of justification for that hate.

That's my impression as well. Some call him "lucky"...well, ALL drivers get lucky and unlucky from time to time. Vettel has retired from the lead at least twice that I can remember, so did Hamilton, Hakkinen, and many others.

In the end, there isn't that much difference between the top drivers right now other than their equipment (which is why we have Titles for both driver and constructor). Most likely Alonso or Hamilton in the Red Bull would have been as dominant in 2011 and challenging for the Title in 2012. But they are not driving for Red Bull, they are driving for other teams, and that is enough for some folks to hate/dislike/call names the other drivers.

It's interesting that some posters call Vettel's maturity into question when their own posts show a massive lack of the same.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: zckls04
Posted 2012-10-16 11:41:17 and read 2610 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
Any GP2 driver with a Mega-Millions sponsorship can easily find his way into F1 these days.

These days? Pay drivers were way more prevalent 20 years ago IIRC.

Quoting sudden (Reply 23):
Lets stay realistic and stick with Albers. Sato is way too good for Mclaren

I think you're being very unfair on Marcus Winklehock.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-10-16 22:59:37 and read 2563 times.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 30):
Chances are that Seb's results would have been a lot different with Schumi as his team mate.

Schumacher couldn't even match Rosberg in the Mercedes. In each of the three seasons of his "come back" to F1 he had been outqualified, outscored and out-raced by Rosberg. I think Vettel is a better driver than Rosberg. If Schumacher had gone to Red Bull instead of Mercedes, it would've been even more embarrassing for him.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: Bill142
Posted 2012-10-16 23:52:35 and read 2560 times.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 32):

These days? Pay drivers were way more prevalent 20 years ago IIRC.

In fact, one of the reasons there's now the super licence scheme is because pay drivers were becoming out of control. Pay drivers now have to have some kind of skill.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 33):
Schumacher couldn't even match Rosberg in the Mercedes. In each of the three seasons of his "come back" to F1 he had been outqualified, outscored and out-raced by Rosberg. I think Vettel is a better driver than Rosberg. If Schumacher had gone to Red Bull instead of Mercedes, it would've been even more embarrassing for him.

No doubt about that. Schumachers comeback hasn't been something to be proud of.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: sudden
Posted 2012-10-17 00:21:02 and read 2551 times.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 32):
I think you're being very unfair on Marcus Winklehock.

LOL!

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 33):
Schumacher couldn't even match Rosberg in the Mercedes. In each of the three seasons of his "come back" to F1 he had been outqualified, outscored and out-raced by Rosberg. I think Vettel is a better driver than Rosberg. If Schumacher had gone to Red Bull instead of Mercedes, it would've been even more embarrassing for him.

Oh so true.

Topic: RE: F1 2012: Korean Grand Prix Yeongam
Username: MadameConcorde
Posted 2012-10-17 03:26:00 and read 2522 times.

The Ice man celebrates his 33rd today.

Happy Birthday Kimi!!!!

                    


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