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Topic: The Cost Of Defeat
Username: Revelation
Posted 2012-11-08 15:36:37 and read 1776 times.

Here's one breakdown of the money spent by pro-GOPers:
- American Crossroads and its nonprofit arm, Crossroads GPS (Karl Rove et al): $180M
> (plus $76M on Senate races)
- Restore Our Future, a super PAC founded by former Romney advisers: $91M
- Americans for Prosperity and American Future Fund (Charles and David Koch) $66M
- Sheldon Adelson and his wife, Miriam: $53M
- Harold Simmons and his wife, Annette: $24M
- Bob Perry: $21M
- Joe Ricketts: $13M
- Thomas Petterfy: $2.8M

The article goes on to say:

Quote:

"These ads didn't have a recurring theme, and they weren't particularly good," Geer said. "I was surprised that the super PACs ran a huge amount of ads that collectively were uninspired."

Geer and other critics also said the various groups' ads worked at cross purposes with the Romney campaign and with one another.

Some Republican-favoring spots assailed Obama on spending and tax policy while others went after him on Solyndra, the green energy company that received millions in federal loan guarantees but ended up going bust. Still other ads criticized the president on welfare reform.

The disparate messages may have become muddled for voters.

"The Republican groups could have made a difference," said Bill Burton, whose pro-Obama super PAC, Priorities USA Action, spent about $67 million on ads. "Instead they blew through money with discordant messages and an erratic spending strategy."


It's not just the money, it's how you spend it.

I guess a few folks aren't going to get the Ambassadorships they were wanting...

Ref: http://news.yahoo.com/gop-groups-tak...lion-loss-214243568--election.html

Topic: RE: The Cost Of Defeat
Username: KPDX
Posted 2012-11-08 15:39:02 and read 1776 times.

Jesus christ dude.. keep it in a mega GOP thread? You're jizzing over all this stuff... I don't even care for Romney/GOP, but it's going just a bit overboard..  

Topic: RE: The Cost Of Defeat
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-11-08 15:46:43 and read 1776 times.

I have to agree with KPDX. Now it's gloating.

A lot of money gets spent in any major election and it sometimes happens that one side comes out of the election particularly poorly. Is that money "wasted?" Well, it got spent. It employed people. Believe it or not, it was a bit of an economic stimulus from our friends at the GOP. And if they hadn't spent it, they would have lost a lot more.

Fact of the matter is that their behavior and their message did not convince the American people. They made their own bed, yes, but the money they spent was not "wasted." One side is always going to lose.

If the GOP would like to start winning major national elections, they can come up with a message that makes sense and behavior to back it up.

Topic: RE: The Cost Of Defeat
Username: Revelation
Posted 2012-11-08 16:00:07 and read 1778 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
I have to agree with KPDX. Now it's gloating.

Really? We spent two years talking about this stuff, thousands of posts.

Lots of stuff is coming out now, after the election, that we didn't know about then.

Besides, 90% of the "Why Obama Won" thread is not at all about that.

[Edited 2012-11-08 16:03:12]

Topic: RE: The Cost Of Defeat
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-11-08 16:27:33 and read 1776 times.

I am happy not because the people I don't like lost. OK, I'm lying a bit. I'll admit to a little schadenfreude. I am only human, after all.

But there's a better reason to be happy: I am happy because I have seen so much outright objective denialism coming from them that it is refreshing to see them actually responding appropriately to getting smacked upside the head by the cold, hard fist of reality.

You cannot claim that any number you don't like is either liberal jibberish or a conspiracy. You cannot make ridiculous claims like "rape doesn't cause pregnancy." You cannot continue to claim that lowering taxes further on the wealthy will stimulate the economy when you've done that for twelve straight years without result. You cannot coddle birthers. You cannot keep calling the President a Muslim/Socialist/Atheist. You cannot keep claiming that any victory he might win is a fraud.

And all of a sudden, the GOP is quiet, contrite, and are giving themselves a very well-needed once-over. This GOP took the house two years ago thinking that they had been given a mandate to actually tank the economy and get rid of this President. That is not what Americans wanted. Americans wanted the economy fixed and the GOP's absolute refusal to negotiate (and then blaming it on the Democrats) has hurt his country badly.

Today, Mr. Obama reached out to Mr. Boehner and Mr. Boehner actually talked. There is actually talk of a deal. Of a compromise. There is understanding that Obamacare is here to stay, even though he doesn't have to like it. There is a sudden realization in the GOP leadership that stopping the country in gridlock isn't going to work anymore and that we actually need to work together.

That is why I am happy.

Topic: RE: The Cost Of Defeat
Username: Revelation
Posted 2012-11-08 16:58:05 and read 1776 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
I am happy because I have seen so much outright objective denialism coming from them that it is refreshing to see them actually responding appropriately to getting smacked upside the head by the cold, hard fist of reality.

Seems to me a harder slap might be needed:

Quote:

The whole country has gone to seed, Ann Coulter says. "If Mitt Romney cannot be elected, we've reached the tipping point. We have more takers than makers," a forlorn Coulter told conservative radio host Laura Ingraham on Wednesday. America "no longer is interested in conservative ideas. It is interested in handouts."

The Israeli paper owned by Sheldon Adelson, the billionaire who blew so much money on the election, ran the headline, "America Chose Socialism."

Limbaugh hit on this theme too. "It's just very difficult to beat Santa Claus," he said. "People are not going to vote against Santa Claus, especially if the alternative is being your own Santa Claus."

Ref: A Continuum of Post-Romney Defeat GOP Meltdowns

Topic: RE: The Cost Of Defeat
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-11-08 17:08:28 and read 1776 times.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 5):
Seems to me a harder slap might be needed:


What you're saying is that the extremists are still extremists and I certainly won't argue with you on that point. Ms. Coulter, Mr. Limbaugh, and Mr. Adelson will claim the sky is orange if Mr. Obama says it's blue.

What matters is the party leadership and none of these three are in that role.

Topic: RE: The Cost Of Defeat
Username: DeltaMD90
Posted 2012-11-08 17:12:19 and read 1778 times.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 5):
Seems to me a harder slap might be needed:

Well just think, the GOP will have to make at least one fundamental change to be viable to win... a step in the right direction hopefully. I like some of their ideas, so I hope they drop issues like gay marriage and abortion (as much as I'm against it, it should be voted upon but not raised to issue #1 with ridiculous rape comments)

Topic: RE: The Cost Of Defeat
Username: ltbewr
Posted 2012-11-08 17:50:34 and read 1776 times.

These very rich PAC and canidate spenders still got access to a number of Senators and Congressmembers in the Republican party and bought more influence with them. That means corporate and rich Americans may still get a lot of favorable deals for them on tax, spending, enviromental, labor and other policies.

Topic: RE: The Cost Of Defeat
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-11-08 22:45:06 and read 1776 times.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 7):
Well just think, the GOP will have to make at least one fundamental change to be viable to win... a step in the right direction hopefully. I like some of their ideas, so I hope they drop issues like gay marriage and abortion (as much as I'm against it, it should be voted upon but not raised to issue #1 with ridiculous rape comments)

That would be a good start. Some sensible economic policy would be a good second step. Seriously, claiming that we should eliminate the interstate system? FEMA? Balance the budget by adding a trillion dollars to the DoD budget? That's as outrageous as "legitimate rape." And boy, did Mr. Akin get legitimately...well...something.   Yes, I'll gloat over that. That man is guilty of breathing valuable air.

Now, for some proper gloating.  http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/

(OK, I got it out of my system. I promise to be civilized from now until the next election!)

Topic: RE: The Cost Of Defeat
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-11-08 23:09:15 and read 1776 times.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/helaineo...-cards-in-the-middle-of-the-night/

Apparently there was some cost-cutting.

Romney campaign staffers went to check out of their hotels in the morning and suddenly found that their campaign credit cards didn't work anymore.

They say a man shows his true colors in defeat. I actually believed that Mr. Romney was genuinely a good, if misguided, man at heart. I sure hope this story is wrong because if this is true, I sure am glad he lost the election.

Topic: RE: The Cost Of Defeat
Username: seb146
Posted 2012-11-08 23:56:38 and read 1778 times.

I am sick that so much money was poured into any election. That said: the right is now going to say "Citizens United decision does not matter!!" We need to get ALL private money out of ALL elections. Citizens United needs to be reversed. For the security of the Republic.

I also notice that Sheldon Adelson's quote about how ashamed he was about he and his children not being in the Isreli military was never ever on FOX.

Topic: RE: The Cost Of Defeat
Username: Revelation
Posted 2012-11-09 04:44:30 and read 1777 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
What matters is the party leadership and none of these three are in that role.

Glad to see some glimmers of hope/reality kicking in: Boehner: "Obamacare is law of the land".

But of course, shortly thereafter:

Quote:

A spokesman for Boehner said later the speaker and House Republicans "remain committed to repealing the law, and he said in the interview it would be on the table."

Hope both sides of the aisle earn their pay and NEGOTIATE.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
I promise to be civilized from now until the next election!

Should be interesting to watch.

Topic: RE: The Cost Of Defeat
Username: 727LOVER
Posted 2012-11-10 12:23:16 and read 1775 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
Now it's gloating.

Yeah, THAT didn't happen in 2004  

The voter suppression tactics across the country:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8

These 2 a-holes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRtgSK_PgY4

Which is why I thoroughly enjoyed this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TwuR0jCavk&feature=related

Donald Trump:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgOq9pBkY0I

National Review online had a pic on front page of a sad looking Obama saying "I THOUGHT I WON!"
Teaparty.org, almost the same thing.
Gee, they're both gone now 

So YEAH, ......I'm gonna gloat  
There has been a big smile on my face the past few days.

Topic: RE: The Cost Of Defeat
Username: rfields5421
Posted 2012-11-10 12:55:01 and read 1777 times.

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
Here's one breakdown of the money spent by pro-GOPers:

Do you have a similar breakdown of the "Cost of Victory" ?

The numbers above are over half a billion dollars.

Just thing what good could have been done with the billion + dollars spent on something productive.

Topic: RE: The Cost Of Defeat
Username: Revelation
Posted 2012-11-10 13:03:58 and read 1777 times.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 13):

Which is why I thoroughly enjoyed this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TwuR0jCavk&feature=related

I don't care if anyone thinks less of me for saying so, I did enjoy watching Megyn Kelly emasculate Karl Rove. 

It might take him months to find his mojo again!

Topic: RE: The Cost Of Defeat
Username: rfields5421
Posted 2012-11-10 13:16:04 and read 1777 times.

I'd be happy if it took him months to find his microphone again!!!

Topic: RE: The Cost Of Defeat
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-11-10 13:23:00 and read 1777 times.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 14):

Just thing what good could have been done with the billion + dollars spent on something productive.

I get tired of hearing this. The money got spent, so it went into peoples' pockets. It paid paychecks. All these election staffers are now going to take vacations and spend some of their money at golf courses and ski resorts, where it will pay the employees there and the airlines who fly them there. It's not as if people just burned it in a bonfire.

And I actually think that democracy is a worthy cause. Better than spending money on endlessly flying KC-10's in circles around air force bases for "training" that could just as well be done in a sim.


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