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Topic: The Fallout Of WSU (Cougars) Football
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2012-11-13 14:35:26 and read 1978 times.

Well, for those who follow NCAA football, Washington State University hired Mike Leach to replace fired Head Coach Paul Wulff during the last off season. As a UW Huskies fan, I have to say this was a very, very bad hire. To me, Mike Leach is....well....a leach. He is the Bobby Knight of football, abusing players, humiliating players and the like. Leach got fired from Texas Tech for the exact same behavior that is is allegedly displaying now at Washington State.

Since Coach Leach has taken over the WSU program, they have lost 18+ (scholarship and regulars) players because of Leach and his staff (It appears) and many more might or will be bolting to other schools or just quit.

Standout WR Marquess Wilson has left the team. He was one of the best receivers that WSU has (or had) this year. Wilson has written a letter to Cougar fans on his displeasure of the coaching staff and where the program was headed. The Athletic Director, Bill Moos, is obviously supportive of both Wilson and Leach.....but it seems like he sides Leach more than Wilson.

Now, I am not entirely sure of what my thoughts are. Is Wilson a crybaby here? Is Leach abusing his power? Is his staff crossing the line (shoving players into lockers at an away game during halftime)? Is Moos in denial?

I don't know. But if Leach is still displaying this behavior that he exhibited at Texas Tech while at WSU, then he should be fired. No student athlete should tolerate any abuse by coaches. Shoving players into lockers and lecturing them harshly is crossing the line. Intimidation is not the way to win games. This is not prison.

As a huge Washington Husky fan, WSU's rival school, I feel bad for the Cougars. They don't deserve this, especially at 2-8, they deserve BETTER. Leach probably should have NOT been hired after what happened at Texas Tech.

WSU President Floyd has requested an independent probe in the football program, as well as requested the Pac-12 to get involved. As much as I hate the NCAA, I hope they get involved as well. This crap has got to stop. I'll tell you now, I don't like Leach.

Here are some articles about the situation......

http://seattletimes.com/html/sports/2019659656_wsuinquiry12m.html

Players say they have no problems with Leach, it seems:

http://seattletimes.com/html/cougarf...l/2019670588_cougarfootball13.html

Pac-12 agrees to help investigate.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...ton-state-cougars-coach-mike-leach

So, what do you guys think? Is this being overblown? Should Leach be let go?

Edit: WSU's record. They have two games left in the season (At ASU then the Apple Cup vs. UW at home.)

[Edited 2012-11-13 14:48:54]

Topic: RE: The Fallout Of WSU (Cougars) Football
Username: iFlyLOTs
Posted 2012-11-13 15:16:30 and read 1978 times.

I always thought that this was a poor decision by them as well. I feel like there were a lot of other candidates that have better pasts, and as an Oregon fan I really didn't like this man coming into the PAC-12. But I do see why they made a move to Leach, he did have a good record at Texas Tech while he was there, and WSU was trying to get back to the Price era, but Leach was not the man to get them back to those winning ways.. Some one like Kennedy Polamalu.. Or if they really needed someone Ron Zook does a good job of fast turnarounds.

Topic: RE: The Fallout Of WSU (Cougars) Football
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2012-11-13 15:19:54 and read 1978 times.

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 1):

But what is your opinion about the "alleged" abuse by Leach at WSU?

Topic: RE: The Fallout Of WSU (Cougars) Football
Username: iFlyLOTs
Posted 2012-11-13 15:56:29 and read 1978 times.

I think that it's probably true. He was suspended for it at Tech and that happened during a winning season for them, so I feel like the pattern points to him probably using intimidation tactics.

Topic: RE: The Fallout Of WSU (Cougars) Football
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2012-11-13 16:56:32 and read 1978 times.

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 3):
I feel like the pattern points to him probably using intimidation tactics.

Its funny because you don't see Sark doing this, nor Kelly doing this at Oregon. Even Kiffin at USC ain't doing it as well as Mora at UCLA.

Why do coaches feel the need to abuse their players verbally and physically just so that they can get wins? Losing sucks, but it is a part of the game and you move on to the next opponent while learning from mistakes that were made during the games.

Topic: RE: The Fallout Of WSU (Cougars) Football
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2012-11-15 12:00:56 and read 1978 times.

Wow! More bashing for Mike Leach in this Jerry Brewer article in the Seattle Times.

http://seattletimes.com/html/jerrybrewer/2019684039_brewer15.html

Topic: RE: The Fallout Of WSU (Cougars) Football
Username: Alias1024
Posted 2012-11-15 15:51:33 and read 1978 times.

The hire made a lot of sense when it happened. Washington State and Texas Tech have a lot if similarities. Public universities in a prestigious conference, but both were traditional also rans. Both are relatively isolated (though Pullman is far smaller than Lubbock), creating a significant recruiting disadvantage relative to their conference mates. Give Leach a few years to recruit players more suited to his coaching style and offensive and defensive strategies. Things may look far better on the Palouse in a few seasons.

As for the allegations, I have little doubt he has verbally abused the players. Anyone remember the absolutely EPIC "fat little girlfriends" rant from his time at TT?

I'm not sure I buy the physical abuse claims. The situation at TT was far from clear. It very much appeared that he rubbed some in the administration the wrong way and they wanted any reason to fire him. Then along comes an overbearing parent with a job at a microphone for ESPN. He's upset his son isn't getting enough playing time, so he trumps up a story about his son being locked in a shed and goes to the administration that already wants Leach out. Fast forward to now. A player gets upset over Leach's style and decides to leave the program, but he wants to make Leach feel some pain. Knowing the history of the allegations from Texas Tech, he claims physical abuse to stick it to Leach.

Not saying it isn't possible that the current allegations aren't true, but there's certainly reason to wonder about their validity.

Topic: RE: The Fallout Of WSU (Cougars) Football
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2012-11-15 16:15:28 and read 1978 times.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 6):
The hire made a lot of sense when it happened.

At the time, yes, I agree. But not now. The same crap he was fired for at Texas Tech follows him to Washington State. It shows many that a track record is happening. And it is not a track record a coach wants to have if he/she wants to keep coaching at the college level. Leach's coaching style may be a bit unorthodox though....

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 6):
It very much appeared that he rubbed some in the administration the wrong way and they wanted any reason to fire him.

That may be happening now, but with the players and the student body. The Admins at WSU may be seeing it now, I don't know. We will have to see what the two investigations reveal.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 6):

Not saying it isn't possible that the current allegations aren't true, but there's certainly reason to wonder about their validity.

Agreed. This is why the Pac-12 is involved now. The AD (Moos) is just trying to cover his own butt before it backfires onto him.

Topic: RE: The Fallout Of WSU (Cougars) Football
Username: BMI727
Posted 2012-11-15 16:25:58 and read 1978 times.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 6):

If anything, this time it's harder to defend Leach.

It's a lot easier to take a guy's side when the man accusing him is an utterly failed politician and Booyah blowhole who's been involved in shady business literally since he was in high school.

This time around, Leach could be being set up, but then again he might not be. The thing is that coaches with a demeanor like Leach's don't have a shelf life when they lose: Ditka, Guillen, etc.

Topic: RE: The Fallout Of WSU (Cougars) Football
Username: Kaphias
Posted 2012-11-15 16:53:48 and read 1978 times.

Coming from Alaska I've never been much of a football fan, but it's been interesting to see how things are turning out this year. A lot of the students I speak to here still think Leach is "going to save our program", and that Wilson and the other quitters should man up and play the game.

Topic: RE: The Fallout Of WSU (Cougars) Football
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2012-11-15 17:18:20 and read 1980 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
this time it's harder to defend Leach.

   With his current track record, yes. That is true.

Quoting Kaphias (Reply 9):
A lot of the students I speak to here still think Leach is "going to save our program"

Not surprised. I think they are in denial. WSU deserves better, and Leach is not the answer.

Quoting Kaphias (Reply 9):
Wilson and the other quitters should man up and play the game.

True, to some extent. But like I said before, football players should not be abused in any way, shape or form. Shoving players into lockers by staff is unacceptable and that is assault.

Topic: RE: The Fallout Of WSU (Cougars) Football
Username: 3DoorsDown
Posted 2012-11-15 19:45:31 and read 1978 times.

I have run into coaches like Bobby Night and Mike Leach. Thinking verbal and physical abuse is the way to motivate. Sometimes it actually works. Other times not so much. I think WSU can do so much better coaching wise, but the problem will be getting someone to come to the Palouse. Been there, drank the beer, chased girls, nothing left to do. Left.
I wonder how much of this has to do with Wilson being a prima donna who's @#!% don't stink. Wasn't getting the T.O. limelight so he left and effed things up as he was going. Who knows? I hope the next coach they hire brings Wazzu something special. At least a .500 season.
Go DAWGS!!!

Topic: RE: The Fallout Of WSU (Cougars) Football
Username: bjorn14
Posted 2012-11-16 03:11:33 and read 1978 times.

Leach was fired at Tx Tech because they were going to owe him $800K for the fine job he did. His accuser was WR Adam James whose father is ESPN's Craig James of the death penalty SMU scandal. Leach's crime was that he put a concussed lil' Adam in a dark room. Mr. Wilson wasn't happy with the tough workouts he hyad to endure at WSU and cried abuse and left. Good luck with that falling draft status, Marques.

Topic: RE: The Fallout Of WSU (Cougars) Football
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2012-11-16 21:37:31 and read 1978 times.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 12):
Good luck with that falling draft status, Marques.

I really, really doubt that the NFL draft is very high on his priority list at the moment. I'm sure he's working on a hardship transfer paperwork to submit to the NCAA. My guess is he might go play at Eastern Washington or Idaho, if his hardship is approved (very difficult to get) and then he won't miss any playing time.


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