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Topic: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: texan
Posted 2012-11-13 19:22:22 and read 1794 times.

So here's the deal:
Josh Johnson, Mark Buerhle, Jose Reyes, John Buck and Emilio Bonifacio to Toronto
Yunel Escobar, Adeiny Hechavarria, Henderson Alvarez, Justin Nicolino, Jake Marisnick, Jeff Mathis and Anthony DeSclafani to the Marlins.

The Jays just got better fast. A starting five of Johnson, Buerhle, Brandon Morrow, Ricky Romero and one of either JA Happ, Brad Lincoln or Brett Cecil until Kyle Drabek comes back from the DL looks pretty darn good. And Reyes is a big upgrade over Escobar at short in terms of offense. John Buck is just two years removed from a near .300 season with 18 HRs. He'll Bonifacio is a speedster who is just a year removed from hitting .290. You're looking at a Jays lineup featuring Reyes, Bautista, Encarnacion, Rasmus, Lowrie and d'Arnaud or Arencibia to start. Unless the Jays trade either d'Arnaud or Arencibia for more help--something I expect them to do because of their depth at catcher and the league's need for good, young catchers.

The Marlins, on the other hand, have once again sold out their fans. Giancarlo Stanton is pissed. They are rebuilding again and have lowered their opening day salary from around $100 million last year to only $16 million as it stands now. Alvarez should pitch well for them and the prospect haul is pretty decent, but Miami will be a bottom dwelling team for at least a few more years. I'm not a Marlins fan, but I believe Jeffrey Loria is bad for baseball and baseball should look at trying to have him removed.

It will be interesting to see how the rest of the AL in general but the AL East specifically reacts. Not sure the Yankees will care too much since they seem focussed on getting under the 2014 salary cap, but the O's and Sox may try to make some moves in order to keep up. And it may spur the Rays to trade one of their pitchers for some solid offensive help.

Texan

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: BMI727
Posted 2012-11-13 19:47:34 and read 1794 times.

Quoting texan (Thread starter):
They are rebuilding again and have lowered their opening day salary from around $100 million last year to only $16 million as it stands now.

...and this is all after using a ton of taxpayer money to get their new stadium. They basically launched a totally revamped team last year and are now taking it apart completely. It's like the baseball version of New Coke.

Quoting texan (Thread starter):
I'm not a Marlins fan, but I believe Jeffrey Loria is bad for baseball and baseball should look at trying to have him removed.

I don't think there's much baseball can do to have him removed just for making dumb, brash decisions. The guy is, however, a certifiable lunatic and makes Dan Snyder look like a good boss.

Quoting texan (Thread starter):
Not sure the Yankees will care too much since they seem focussed on getting under the 2014 salary cap,

MLB has no salary cap. You probably mean the luxury tax.

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: StarAC17
Posted 2012-11-14 22:47:12 and read 1794 times.

Quoting texan (Thread starter):
The Jays just got better fast. A starting five of Johnson, Buerhle, Brandon Morrow, Ricky Romero and one of either JA Happ, Brad Lincoln or Brett Cecil until Kyle Drabek comes back from the DL looks pretty darn good. And Reyes is a big upgrade over Escobar at short in terms of offense. John Buck is just two years removed from a near .300 season with 18 HRs. He'll Bonifacio is a speedster who is just a year removed from hitting .290. You're looking at a Jays lineup featuring Reyes, Bautista, Encarnacion, Rasmus, Lowrie and d'Arnaud or Arencibia to start. Unless the Jays trade either d'Arnaud or Arencibia for more help--something I expect them to do because of their depth at catcher and the league's need for good, young catchers.

As a Jays fan I'll take it!!! 

It's been 20 years since we won and were a serious contender, also if you listen to the PTI guys the AL East is now the best division in sports with 5 good teams.

Quoting texan (Thread starter):
The Marlins, on the other hand, have once again sold out their fans. Giancarlo Stanton is pissed. They are rebuilding again and have lowered their opening day salary from around $100 million last year to only $16 million as it stands now. Alvarez should pitch well for them and the prospect haul is pretty decent, but Miami will be a bottom dwelling team for at least a few more years. I'm not a Marlins fan, but I believe Jeffrey Loria is bad for baseball and baseball should look at trying to have him removed.

This strategy has got them 2 titles since 1997 so don't knock it.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Quoting texan (Thread starter):
Not sure the Yankees will care too much since they seem focussed on getting under the 2014 salary cap,

MLB has no salary cap. You probably mean the luxury tax.

You are both right, there is no salary cap in MLB but the Yankees have a desire to lower their payroll considering they have obscene contracts with older players like A-Rod.

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: Mir
Posted 2012-11-14 22:53:10 and read 1794 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
...and this is all after using a ton of taxpayer money to get their new stadium.

And promising that they would be competitive. Instead, they dump salary after only one year and are laughing their way to the bank with the luxury tax money of all the other teams and the hundreds of millions of dollars they got from the taxpayers. It's disgraceful, and if Bud Selig were any good at his job he'd start trying to get the Lorias out of there and bring in someone who actually gives a crap about running a baseball team and not just using it as a cash cow.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 2):
if you listen to the PTI guys the AL East is now the best division in sports with 5 good teams.

First of all, the AL East was already the best division in sports (certainly in baseball, I'm not really sure you can compare the other sports). Second of all, there are only 4 good teams - the Red Sox aren't going to be good for another couple of years after their mid-season dismantling.

-Mir

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: BMI727
Posted 2012-11-14 23:05:13 and read 1794 times.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 2):
It's been 20 years since we won and were a serious contender, also if you listen to the PTI guys the AL East is now the best division in sports with 5 good teams.

That could be a problem. There may be some demolition charges in Bristol rigged to go off if the Yankees and Red Sox are not in contention.

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
It's disgraceful, and if Bud Selig were any good at his job he'd start trying to get the Lorias out of there and bring in someone who actually gives a crap about running a baseball team and not just using it as a cash cow.

When has Bud Selig ever been any good at his job?

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: Mir
Posted 2012-11-15 12:54:45 and read 1794 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
When has Bud Selig ever been any good at his job?

When compared to the commissioners of the other three sports?

-Mir

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: srbmod
Posted 2012-11-16 18:19:59 and read 1794 times.

Let's not forget the horse trading Loria did to acquire the Marlins. Sold the Expos to MLB, bought the Marlins from John W. Henry (who used the money to help buy the Red Sox). You almost start to wonder if he's trying to do the same thing he did to the Expos to the Marlins.

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: fxramper
Posted 2012-11-16 18:29:40 and read 1794 times.

Jays just got M. Cabrera from SFO. Blue Jays look good next season, might give NYY a run.   

BTW, Pat, New Zealand has a new State Official working with the US Ambassador that I went to college with. Hit me up bro.

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: BMI727
Posted 2012-11-16 18:31:27 and read 1794 times.

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
When compared to the commissioners of the other three sports?

The only one he's better than is Bettman.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 6):
Let's not forget the horse trading Loria did to acquire the Marlins. Sold the Expos to MLB, bought the Marlins from John W. Henry (who used the money to help buy the Red Sox). You almost start to wonder if he's trying to do the same thing he did to the Expos to the Marlins.

He also got a hefty loan from the league to help buy the Marlins if I remember correctly.

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: StarAC17
Posted 2012-11-16 19:04:11 and read 1794 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
That could be a problem. There may be some demolition charges in Bristol rigged to go off if the Yankees and Red Sox are not in contention.

Only with Kornheiser, also these guys will have lots and even more to talk about it the Yanks and the Sawks suck.

Just as the Jets are in the news more because they are losing, to my joy .

Quoting fxramper (Reply 7):

Jays just got M. Cabrera from SFO. Blue Jays look good next season, might give NYY a run.   

If they stay healthy      

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
When has Bud Selig ever been any good at his job?

When compared to the commissioners of the other three sports?

Define Good

These guys represent the interests of the owners and get millions to be the whipping boy for the fans, players and media.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
The only one he's better than is Bettman.

Hockey fans hate him I don't much like him either but he is doing what the owners want him to do, if he caves to Donald Fehr and gets a deal they don't want he will get fired.

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: BMI727
Posted 2012-11-16 19:25:58 and read 1794 times.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 9):
Just as the Jets are in the news more because they are losing, to my joy .

...and the Eagles.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 9):
Hockey fans hate him I don't much like him either but he is doing what the owners want him to do, if he caves to Donald Fehr and gets a deal they don't want he will get fired.

Selig did some of the same, having presided over the steroid era in baseball which largely accounts for the return of the sport after the labor problems in the mid 1990s.

I'll admit that the gap is not large, but three labor stoppages which seem likely to result in the loss of approximately two and a half seasons is pretty awful as a fan. Despite the awfulness of the steroid era, which may not be completely over, I have to rank Bettman as being worse than Selig, but that could change depending on what happens in the rest of their respective tenures.

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: Mir
Posted 2012-11-16 19:40:24 and read 1794 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
The only one he's better than is Bettman.

Goodell presided over a lockout of his players, and then he presided over a lockout of his officials (which was an embarrassment to the league). He's taken the fun out of the game, and he claims to be looking out for player safety while trying to get them to play an extra two regular season games.

The only one you could argue is better than Selig is Stern, and that's not saying much.

-Mir

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: StarAC17
Posted 2012-11-16 19:50:18 and read 1796 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):
I'll admit that the gap is not large, but three labor stoppages which seem likely to result in the loss of approximately two and a half seasons is pretty awful as a fan. Despite the awfulness of the steroid era, which may not be completely over, I have to rank Bettman as being worse than Selig, but that could change depending on what happens in the rest of their respective tenures.

It is awful as as a fan, I have an Aussie friend who loves hockey more than I do at the moment will be devastated if a season gets cancelled and a lot of sports bars suffer because the revenue they would get comes from hockey.

But Bettman's job is not to make sure the fans get to watch hockey its to make sure that the owners maximize their profits and to some extent they have a point as they take more of the risk.

Why everyone turned a blind eye to the steroid era is that it brought in heaps of $$$ to players and owners and most people do not really care if anyone is on drugs. Although more baseball fans care because it is more a game of numbers compared to football where winning is king.

In terms of labour disputes, in baseball is was a strike where the players walked off and in the NHL, NBA and the NFL it has been the owners locking the players out meaning they would rather not pay players and take a hit on what could actually be 2 NHL seasons if you listen to some of the Canadian sports journalists.

Some people are thinking about starting a rogue league and I think this should happen. I read your posts about how you want to make as much money as you can and be filthy, if you live in a hockey market get in onto destroying the NHL and help create a product for hockey in North America that works .

http://brentstephensmith.wordpress.c...the-nhl-lets-start-a-rogue-league/

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: Mir
Posted 2012-11-16 20:06:29 and read 1794 times.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 12):
But Bettman's job is not to make sure the fans get to watch hockey its to make sure that the owners maximize their profits and to some extent they have a point as they take more of the risk.

Um, it's entirely his job to make sure that the fans get to watch the league. He's supposed to look after the best interests of the league, and having arenas dark definitely doesn't do that.

As for taking risk, the players take plenty of it whenever they take to the ice. It takes very little to ruin a career and destroy earnings potential.

-Mir

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: BMI727
Posted 2012-11-16 20:09:12 and read 1794 times.

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
Goodell presided over a lockout of his players, and then he presided over a lockout of his officials (which was an embarrassment to the league). He's taken the fun out of the game, and he claims to be looking out for player safety while trying to get them to play an extra two regular season games.

He's not great, but he's not awful either. I really did not care much for his enforcement of a nonexistent salary cap against the Cowboys and Redskins either.

The thing with player safety is a bit odd because the current players don't care much for it. Their attitude is that they're grown men and they understand that what they do is risky. What I don't like is those commercials with the actor in the lab coat reassuring parents that football is safe, when it pretty clearly is not.

There is legitimate criticism for most of the commissioners, but Goodell is probably only behind Stern in my mind.

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
The only one you could argue is better than Selig is Stern, and that's not saying much.

I'd argue that Stern was actually rather successful. There was last year's lockout, but what was left of the season was pretty entertaining and culminated in an excellent finals. His time has seen the superstars really emerge in the league, and unprecedented international popularity, not least with the career of Yao Ming. As I understand it, Stern has been pretty strong on marketing basketball in China, which I think will in the long term be more successful than Goodell's preoccupation with London.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 12):
But Bettman's job is not to make sure the fans get to watch hockey its to make sure that the owners maximize their profits and to some extent they have a point as they take more of the risk.

No, it's not his job to take care of fans, but I think I'm still allowed to be pissed with him.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 12):
Why everyone turned a blind eye to the steroid era is that it brought in heaps of $$$ to players and owners and most people do not really care if anyone is on drugs.

Basically that's right. Steroids brought the game back after the strike, but even with tougher policies than in the golden age of juicing, don't fool yourself into believing the game is clean or ever will be. I think that's just the way it is, I don't like it, but cheaters will always be a step ahead and nobody will be above suspicion.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 12):
Although more baseball fans care because it is more a game of numbers compared to football where winning is king.

With football people really never cared. That game is all about superhumans doing battle and never really had the same romance that baseball did.

That said, today, the curmudgeonly Luddite baseball writers are declaring victory over the nerds because the wrong guy won the AL MVP award. Oddly enough, such people are now largely confined to media as actual baseball front offices progress.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 12):
Some people are thinking about starting a rogue league and I think this should happen.

Sounds good to me. There was an article in Deadspin a while back about a potential offer Bain Capital was going to make for the whole NHL. It never got too far, but it was an interesting thing to consider.

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: StarAC17
Posted 2012-11-16 20:25:30 and read 1794 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
He's not great, but he's not awful either. I really did not care much for his enforcement of a nonexistent salary cap against the Cowboys and Redskins either.

Which is collusion and anti-competitive behaviour and should be treated as such. Jerry and Dan Synder are two of the richest owners in the league, let them take advantage of a cap less year. Again to my joy that with Jerry as the GM and not allowing a coach control over personnel the Cowgirls will never win squat and even my friends who love the Cowboys acknowledge this.


Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
The thing with player safety is a bit odd because the current players don't care much for it. Their attitude is that they're grown men and they understand that what they do is risky. What I don't like is those commercials with the actor in the lab coat reassuring parents that football is safe, when it pretty clearly is not.

Most players know the risk but the NFL needs to be consistent, if a player makes a hit in a game and a flag isn't thrown and even the commentators say its legal then no fine should be issued.

It really make the NFL mean the No Fun League.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
No, it's not his job to take care of fans, but I think I'm still allowed to be pissed with him.

Fair point, I am pissed still that he didn't allow Jim Balsille (the former CEO of RIM) to own a team. He wanted Phoenix, the biggest financial loser in the league and to put in the GTA. He didn't like Balsille because he is a Mark Cuban type game changing personality which we need in all sectors of life.

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: Mir
Posted 2012-11-16 20:34:52 and read 1794 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
There was last year's lockout, but what was left of the season was pretty entertaining and culminated in an excellent finals. His time has seen the superstars really emerge in the league

The NBA has become too much of a superstars league. The lack of parity is, quite frankly, boring.

-Mir

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: StarAC17
Posted 2012-11-16 20:38:20 and read 1794 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
Basically that's right. Steroids brought the game back after the strike, but even with tougher policies than in the golden age of juicing, don't fool yourself into believing the game is clean or ever will be. I think that's just the way it is, I don't like it, but cheaters will always be a step ahead and nobody will be above suspicion.

I still think either they need to look into pitchers more or the fact they are juicing the ball. I had a mechanical engineering professor (and a roommate who played a pretty high level of baseball who said he was right) who made the case that most of the energy that gets transferred to the ball comes from the pitch and not the swing. The margin was about 80-20 in favour of the pitch, so even if the hitters were all on the juice it wouldn't account for the explosion of homeruns we have seen. Also if you can't hit, then steroids aren't helping you and if you can throw accurately then steroids help you throw harder and maintain the same accuracy.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
Sounds good to me. There was an article in Deadspin a while back about a potential offer Bain Capital was going to make for the whole NHL. It never got too far, but it was an interesting thing to consider.

It is and I think the best thing for the NHL is to team up with a consolidated European league and run a season where they compete across the pond as elite hockey is better served in the Northern US/Canada and various European markets.

They could seperate the rules like the AL/NL where in North America you conform to their ice size, and in Europe you play by the international rules such as DH/Pitcher bats.

Hell maybe I should run the NHL  .

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: BMI727
Posted 2012-11-16 21:13:54 and read 1794 times.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 15):
Which is collusion and anti-competitive behaviour and should be treated as such.

Basically. The league colluded to make the poison pill not a poison pill. Sure most teams weren't going to go out and be crazy, lest they have to make cuts when the cap came back, but for the league to punish teams for exceeding the salary cap that didn't exist definitely wasn't kosher.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 15):
Most players know the risk but the NFL needs to be consistent, if a player makes a hit in a game and a flag isn't thrown and even the commentators say its legal then no fine should be issued.

I don't agree with that. Certainly penalties on the field do more as a deterrent than docking a players' pay, but the game happens too fast and there's too much that might get missed for the league to not look at tapes.

Quoting Mir (Reply 16):
The NBA has become too much of a superstars league. The lack of parity is, quite frankly, boring.

Tell me about it. I'm a Bulls fan, and they are sitting in NBA hell. Derrick Rose might go down as one of the best players to never win a championship.

That said, as a fan of the league as a whole, there are enough clash of the titans type games to keep me plenty interested. And teams can turn around with the right moves to put together the right combo of stars. It only takes one or two players, and you can get close.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 17):
The margin was about 80-20 in favour of the pitch, so even if the hitters were all on the juice it wouldn't account for the explosion of homeruns we have seen.

That's true, but I think that stronger hitters can have a major impact. Steroids can mean the difference between a fly out to the warning track and a homer that sneaks into the seats. You could almost think of it as giving the hitter more margin for error: for a weak hitter, it takes a pitch with a lot of energy and a really direct hit to attain home run distance. Make that hitter stronger, and they need less energy from the pitch and they can still get the distance without hitting the ball as squarely as someone with less strength. That said, I'm sure plenty of pitchers juiced too.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 17):
It is and I think the best thing for the NHL is to team up with a consolidated European league and run a season where they compete across the pond as elite hockey is better served in the Northern US/Canada and various European markets.

That would be challenging, but interesting. I don't know what they do in Canada, but here ESPN has been broadcasting a few KHL games that feature some NHL players during the lockout.

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: StarAC17
Posted 2012-11-16 21:35:58 and read 1794 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 18):
Basically. The league colluded to make the poison pill not a poison pill. Sure most teams weren't going to go out and be crazy, lest they have to make cuts when the cap came back, but for the league to punish teams for exceeding the salary cap that didn't exist definitely wasn't kosher.

aka Collusion and anti-competitive behaviour.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 18):
That would be challenging, but interesting. I don't know what they do in Canada, but here ESPN has been broadcasting a few KHL games that feature some NHL players during the lockout.

To be honest I am more of a football fan an am rarely home at night so I really wouldn't watch a whole lot of hockey to begin with. My logic for this is to have them travel twice per season to Europe and NA where half the teams do it in the first half of the season and the other half in the second half. The playoff system remains the same between NA and Europe playing between each other and the Stanley cup being decided on both continents in a 7 game series.

In Canada they have been showing more basketball as there is a game on every night and literally there is a 2 hour Big Bang theory marathon every Saturday night with a theme and it is a funny show to mitigate no Hockey night in Canada. Also there are some classic games on.

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: BMI727
Posted 2012-11-16 22:14:52 and read 1794 times.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 19):
aka Collusion and anti-competitive behaviour.

That's exactly what it is.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 19):
My logic for this is to have them travel twice per season to Europe and NA where half the teams do it in the first half of the season and the other half in the second half.

You could realistically do it more often than that. Each team could make the trek three or even four times with a several day break after each transit.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 19):
The playoff system remains the same between NA and Europe playing between each other and the Stanley cup being decided on both continents in a 7 game series.

I could see some blowback from the Stanley Cup going to a different format. But, on the other hand, I think the NHL has a better chance having some teams in Europe rather than some of the North American cities that have gotten them. Somehow including Europe, whether that means admitting existing European teams or moving teams there, might warrant consideration.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 19):
In Canada they have been showing more basketball as there is a game on every night

Hope they give you something besides the Raptors. The Grizzlies aren't doing half bad though.

Apparently the Canada thing isn't popular with many athletes, largely due to higher taxes, so they will veto a trade to a Canadian team. Also, apparently Mark Buehrle owns a dog that is not allowed in Ontario. It was said that this particular breed wasn't allowed in Dade County either, but living in the next county isn't a huge problem.

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: flymia
Posted 2012-11-17 15:16:39 and read 1794 times.

At least we have the Miami Heat.

Signed, South Florida Sports Fans.

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: StarAC17
Posted 2012-11-17 16:20:12 and read 1796 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 20):
Hope they give you something besides the Raptors. The Grizzlies aren't doing half bad though.

The Raptors might be in the hunt this year to get the 8 seed in the east also the Grizzlies are now in Memphis.

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: srbmod
Posted 2012-11-17 16:34:56 and read 1796 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):

He also got a hefty loan from the league to help buy the Marlins if I remember correctly.

$38.5 million no-interest loan. Plus there was a discount that kicked in after 5 years since he could not get a new stadium at that time.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...theres-marlins-owner-jeffrey-loria

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: BMI727
Posted 2012-11-17 17:03:06 and read 1796 times.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 22):
also the Grizzlies are now in Memphis.

I know, but there's usually a significant residual fanbase when teams move. There are still some Cardinals fans in St. Louis for example.

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: WestJet747
Posted 2012-11-17 17:49:23 and read 1795 times.

When it comes to baseball I'm admittedly a "fair weather" fan. With that said, I'm looking forward to heading down to the Rogers Centre to watch some Blue Jays wins next summer 
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
The only one he's better than is Bettman.

As a fan, Bettman is the devil...but most people forget that he is essentially the CEO of an organization.

What is every CEO's job? To make the stakeholders money.

In the time Bettman has been commissioner, league revenues have increased 750%...meaning he is damn good at his job from a purely business point of view.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 6):
Let's not forget the horse trading Loria did to acquire the Marlins. Sold the Expos to MLB, bought the Marlins from John W. Henry (who used the money to help buy the Red Sox). You almost start to wonder if he's trying to do the same thing he did to the Expos to the Marlins.

The pieces seem to line up...

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
He's taken the fun out of the game, and he claims to be looking out for player safety while trying to get them to play an extra two regular season games.

I think the whole "safety" thing is just to cover his own ass from a massive lawsuit by the NFLPA, now that some retired players are coming out saying that their neurological problems are as a result of playing in the NFL.   

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 24):
There are still some Cardinals fans in St. Louis for example.

Plenty of people in Montreal still cheer for the Nationals as well.

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: BMI727
Posted 2012-11-17 18:33:08 and read 1796 times.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 25):

When it comes to baseball I'm admittedly a "fair weather" fan. With that said, I'm looking forward to heading down to the Rogers Centre to watch some Blue Jays wins next summer 

That's undoubtedly what management is counting on. Although, the White Sox could tell you that it's not always something that works.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 25):
In the time Bettman has been commissioner, league revenues have increased 750%...meaning he is damn good at his job from a purely business point of view.

True, but it's the profits that matter, and apparently some of the teams are struggling. When you add a bunch of teams, revenue should increase.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 25):
I think the whole "safety" thing is just to cover his own ass from a massive lawsuit by the NFLPA, now that some retired players are coming out saying that their neurological problems are as a result of playing in the NFL.

That's largely what it is. That's why Goodell tries to be a real hardass and why he came down so hard on the Saints after the bounty scandal: he has to show that the league is not being negligent with safety. Whether it works or not is up in the air. One radio host I listen to a lot likes to compare football and their efforts on player safety to the tobacco companies.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 25):
Plenty of people in Montreal still cheer for the Nationals as well.

It's kind of more interesting with football because the networks get more leeway in determining which games they show. Deadspin has started a feature that shows the maps of coverage each week.

http://deadspin.com/who.s-getting-screwed/

For this week, fans in Los Angeles will get to see the Raiders, however the Rams' game will not be shown in favor of Cleveland and Dallas. Dallas is one of those teams that is always good for ratings, but I'm kind of surprised that they think they'll be more popular than the Rams against the Jets.

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: fxramper
Posted 2012-11-17 21:08:03 and read 1797 times.

Go BlueJays! They got Melky too. Maybe they'll make an offer to the Rocket and bring him back for a run into playoffs.

  

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: BMI727
Posted 2012-11-17 21:28:40 and read 1796 times.

Quoting fxramper (Reply 27):
Go BlueJays! They got Melky too.

For what they paid, it probably won't be a bad deal and could be a rather good one.

Quoting fxramper (Reply 27):
Maybe they'll make an offer to the Rocket and bring him back for a run into playoffs.

He's still in George's box.

Topic: RE: Marlins Trade All Players Making Money To Jays
Username: fxramper
Posted 2012-11-17 21:39:34 and read 1798 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 28):


I'll pull for the Jays next season. I've always like Joey Bats.


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