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Topic: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: doug_Or
Posted 2012-11-21 14:54:16 and read 2744 times.

I'm in the market for a new phone and laptop and am pretty much done with Apple products. I'm not looking to start a Mac v. PC debate here, I've just decided that for what I need non Apple products offer a better value.

How do most people manage their music on PCs? I know iTunes works on a PC, but will it talk to an HTC/Samsung/whatever phone? I listen to a lot of podcasts, how do you even download/manage them without iTunes?

Windows 8 v. Windows 7? I'm borrowing a PC right now with 7 and have been impressed with how compatible its been with external devices, old software, and downloaded open source stuff. How does Windows 8 compare? Should I be avoiding it or is it generally an improvement

Do I want a video card? I'm not looking to do heavy gaming, but I'd like something that can run Cive 5 or some RTS games smoothly. I hadn't been able to do much with my old laptop (a pre-Intel iBook) and am defintely impressed with some of the stuff I've found on Steam.

Android v. Windows phone- thoughts?

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: aloges
Posted 2012-11-21 16:24:39 and read 2697 times.

Quoting doug_Or (Thread starter):
I know iTunes works on a PC, but will it talk to an HTC/Samsung/whatever phone?

AFAIK, the answer is no. iTunes is for use with mobile Apple products, so you will have to find out how to sync an Android (or Windows) phone.

Quoting doug_Or (Thread starter):
I listen to a lot of podcasts, how do you even download/manage them without iTunes?

IIRC, the first podcasts that I ever downloaded (before I started using iTunes) were accessible through websites. However, it is prerogative of the content provider to choose the distribution channel. So if he chooses iTunes and nothing else, you may have to start digging for a workaround.

Quoting doug_Or (Thread starter):
Windows 8 v. Windows 7?

If you have a Mac, you may be able to try out both via Bootcamp... perhaps there are demo versions out there, or you could buy an OEM version (if that's legal in the US) for little money and compare. Generally speaking, I'd say "go for the newest version", but for quite some time every other Windows version has been a disappointment - and 7 was pretty decent, so 8 might not be if the rule is still true.

Quoting doug_Or (Thread starter):
Android v. Windows phone- thoughts?

I haven't tried ether, but I've heard that upgrade availability can be a nightmare for Android users. That's one strong argument against Android and hence, in your case, one for Windows Phone - and the Nokia Lumia 900 does look pretty.  

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: doug_Or
Posted 2012-11-21 16:32:38 and read 2689 times.

Quoting aloges (Reply 1):

IIRC, the first podcasts that I ever downloaded (before I started using iTunes) were accessible through websites. However, it is prerogative of the content provider to choose the distribution channel. So if he chooses iTunes and nothing else, you may have to start digging for a workaround.

Ouch. If this is the case the iPhone might still be in the running. Oh Well.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: njxc500
Posted 2012-11-21 16:43:54 and read 2684 times.

Quoting doug_Or (Thread starter):
How do most people manage their music on PCs?

Most PC users file music at the operating system level, meaning I simply have a music folder, artists inside, and songs inside that. Just folders and files. Simple. Searching, playlists and such can be done in Media center or any media player. Mine streams to my android then to anything that has a standard sound 3.5mm input jack.

Quoting doug_Or (Thread starter):
I listen to a lot of podcasts

I have never listened to a podcast, I can't advise on that.

Quoting doug_Or (Thread starter):
Windows 8 v. Windows 7?

Windows 7 has proven to be a step up from XP in many ways, 8 seems to be an improvement, I've been running it since september with no issues.

Quoting doug_Or (Thread starter):
Do I want a video card?

If you'd like to be flexible, get a video card. The performance of dedicated graphics is many times better.

Quoting doug_Or (Thread starter):
Android v. Windows phone- thoughts?

I've got no experience with Windows mobile, I know nothing about it. Android has become my favorite. I love the open source nature of the whole android experience. However, Android does not equal perfection. There seems to be a glitch now and again, and sometimes it's strange. My phone will randomly shut off, but it may be caused by my defective battery...they're shipping me a new one. Windows phone may be more stable. I've not had both so I don't know.

Good luck.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: doug_Or
Posted 2012-11-21 17:12:54 and read 2668 times.

Quoting njxc500 (Reply 3):
. Mine streams to my android then to anything that has a standard sound 3.5mm input jack.

Sorry, I'm not completely sure I understand. Do you plug your phone into your computer and manually drag files over? are you sending stuff over WiFi?

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: mham001
Posted 2012-11-21 18:09:55 and read 2640 times.

Quoting doug_Or (Thread starter):
H I listen to a lot of podcasts, how do you even download/manage them without iTunes?

I get them direct from the websites. There are ways to get them pushed to your platform though. I have not done that.

Quoting doug_Or (Thread starter):
How do most people manage their music on PCs? I know iTunes works on a PC, but will it talk to an HTC/Samsung/whatever phone?

I just drag and drop while using the same connection to charge the battery. Even the stock Android music player can make playlists. For a PC based program, there are many, Media Monkey is one if the Windows Media Player doesnt cut it.

Quoting doug_Or (Thread starter):
Windows 8 v. Windows 7?

Everything I know says 7. Big one for me is backward compatibility. 8 loses much of that, software and hardware-wise. In fact, 8 loses a lot of what 7 offers. And 8 has that whole change for no good reason thing. Why did they ditch the Start button again?

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: baldwin471
Posted 2012-11-21 20:21:06 and read 2606 times.

HTC 8X and Surface. Both fantastic and work perfectly in sync.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: TLG
Posted 2012-11-21 20:54:21 and read 2583 times.

Quoting aloges (Reply 1):
I haven't tried ether, but I've heard that upgrade availability can be a nightmare for Android users. That's one strong argument against Android and hence, in your case, one for Windows Phone

That, in my mind, is the biggest downside to Android, but getting a Google Nexus phone will take care of that problem. They're unlocked, and updates come directly from Google, as opposed to waiting for the carrier to push them out (if it happens at all). The downside is that you pay full retail price for the phone.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: ALTF4
Posted 2012-11-21 21:02:12 and read 2573 times.

Another option for music is to use Google Play if you have an Android phone. It stores all your music in the cloud, and your phone will save any of the more frequently played music and stream the rest. Can't tell much difference from having the music locally on the device. The great thing is, you can access it just about anywhere, whether on a computer or an android phone.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: ALTF4
Posted 2012-11-21 21:03:32 and read 2575 times.

Quoting TLG (Reply 7):
That, in my mind, is the biggest downside to Android, but getting a Google Nexus phone will take care of that problem. They're unlocked, and updates come directly from Google, as opposed to waiting for the carrier to push them out (if it happens at all). The downside is that you pay full retail price for the phone.

Full retail price is $350 for the newest phone. Then, what you do, is go with a monthly plan with your carrier which should be cheaper because they aren't subsidizing your phone. At least in my case, I save money by purchasing the phone up front... saved $300 over two years in the most recent case.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: Mir
Posted 2012-11-21 21:04:32 and read 2575 times.

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 2):
If this is the case the iPhone might still be in the running. Oh Well.

Nothing wrong with staying with Apple for your mobile device and going back to Windows for your computing needs. That's what I plan on doing when it's time for a new computer.

-Mir

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: Jetsgo
Posted 2012-11-21 21:12:04 and read 2567 times.

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 8):

The only problem with this however is if you're heavily invested in iTunes. It won't transfer to Google Play and becomes extremely cost prohibitive depending on the size of your library. For this very reason, I joined Spotify when I made the tablet switch (still have an iPhone).

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: ALTF4
Posted 2012-11-21 21:23:07 and read 2564 times.

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 11):

Most of the new iTunes music is DRM-free, which means you can upload iTunes music to Google Play.

https://play.google.com/about/music/unlock/

But yes, if you have any DRM-protected music, you're not getting it out of iTunes. I have always purchased music from Amazon, though, so it did not affect me personally.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: tugger
Posted 2012-11-21 21:49:42 and read 2552 times.

Quoting doug_Or (Thread starter):
Android v. Windows phone- thoughts?

So far we love the Windows Phone. It works smoothly and easily and is easy to get updates when they come out. I have a friend that had WP and then went to Android and paid to move back to a Windows phone after two months. The WP set up is just very easy to use and works well.

Tugg

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: StarAC17
Posted 2012-11-21 22:30:08 and read 2541 times.

Quoting doug_Or (Thread starter):
How do most people manage their music on PCs? I know iTunes works on a PC, but will it talk to an HTC/Samsung/whatever phone? I listen to a lot of podcasts, how do you even download/manage them without iTunes?

No but I found a way to be able to sync music albums with Windows Media player and Itunes at the same time so when I went into Media player to sync things from downloaded from Itunes it showed up automatically or needed a refresh at the least. I reckon something could be done along the line with Kies where it looks for the same folder that Itunes does and sees new files automatically.

For me I use an Ipod touch for podcasts and even though I have an android phone I really don't use it for music. If I do I reckon I can do it by popping out the memory card and copying podcasts from Itunes to it.

I actually find the way with more steps (ie simple copying) more simple and don't like computer automation, all my podcasts and updates are set to manual if I have the choice. I also fnd a lot of software just makes things annoying as I can go into my camera as an example and be able to find my photos in Windows Explorer and simply copy them. In Win 7 and lower most cameras will just read the memory card directly and you can copy pictures the old fashioned way.

Quoting doug_Or (Thread starter):
Windows 8 v. Windows 7? I'm borrowing a PC right now with 7 and have been impressed with how compatible its been with external devices, old software, and downloaded open source stuff. How does Windows 8 compare? Should I be avoiding it or is it generally an improvement

Unless your PC has a touch screen get Win 7. I don't think Win 8 is going to make much of an impact on traditional PC's and its for for the phones and tablets. Those markets are taking market share over the standard computer so that is where MS is going and which is why Win 8 only costs $40 to upgrade from systems running Win XP or newer on a regular PC.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: nighthawk
Posted 2012-11-22 00:31:07 and read 2519 times.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 5):
Everything I know says 7. Big one for me is backward compatibility. 8 loses much of that, software and hardware-wise. In fact, 8 loses a lot of what 7 offers. And 8 has that whole change for no good reason thing. Why did they ditch the Start button again?

Most applications that will work with Win7 will continue to work with Win8, although WinRT (as found on the Surface) is a different kettle of fish. Backwards compatibility has always been a priority for Microsoft, and is part of the reason why windows is so bloated.

It's also worth noting that any app you buy for Windows 8 will also work on Windows Phone 8. So if you do get Win8, it might be worth getting the Windows Phone so you don't need to buy different apps.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: mham001
Posted 2012-11-22 07:51:59 and read 2447 times.

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 15):
Most applications that will work with Win7 will continue to work with Win8, although WinRT (as found on the Surface) is a different kettle of fish. Backwards compatibility has always been a priority for Microsoft, and is part of the reason why windows is so bloated.

You may be right about most but beware of the one expensive suite that may not. Window 8 ditches .Net 1.1. Anything that requires .Net 1.1 ill not run, such as QuickBooks for example. No older versions of QuickBooks will run correctly on Windows 8.

As for Metro Apps, how do you feel about built-in ads embedded in software you purchased? Because thats what you get. And if you want to play a dvd or use the computer as a media center, you will need to find another program, they have stripped that capability.

The charms buttons have replaced the Start button and with it, took much of the flexibility and functionality.

Windows 8 Mail does not support POP3. Huh?

If all that makes you unhappy, brace yourself, thanks to UEFI, you will not be allowed to install any other operating system on a computer sold with Windows 8 installed.

Windows 8 has less functionality than XP and to add insult, forces you learn a different way to use less.

[Edited 2012-11-22 07:55:54]

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: planejamie
Posted 2012-11-22 12:39:53 and read 2369 times.

For the love of god stick with the iPhone! I've just gone from my Windows Phone 7 to an iPhone 5 and I love the iPhone! I've also had an Android HTC before the windows phone... in fact I loved my iPhone so much I bought an iPad.

Android in my experience was really glitchy, Windows Phone 7 (and now 8) was good, it worked but there were (and never will be) the number of apps you get on iPhone and the apps you can get are about 3x the price as they are on Android/iPhone. Plus most of the time I found my Windows Phone dropped off WiFi a lot. As for value, if you want a way of syncing music to your phone in a similar way to iTunes then Windows Phone and Zune is the only proper alternative. It works really well and I still use Zune on my PC purely because my PC is old and doesn't like iTunes that much. My laptop is a different story.

I'd avoid Windows 8, having used it I really don't like it, it seems like a backwards step from Windows 7.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: doug_Or
Posted 2012-11-22 12:43:45 and read 2369 times.

Thanks everyone for your input and advice. After some googling it looks like there are a decent number of options for solving my podcast issues, so It shouldn't be a problem. Now I just have to decide on a phone. Sprint doesn't seem to offer anything reasonable in the way of Windows phones, so Android it is. The Galaxy S III, Optimus G, and EVO are all free/almost free this weekend, but kind of ridiculously large. Th

Quoting mham001 (Reply 16):

If all that makes you unhappy, brace yourself, thanks to UEFI, you will not be allowed to install any other operating system on a computer sold with Windows 8 installed.

Well that officially sucks. I think I'm going to order a cheap Dell that still comes with 7 and dodge that bullet.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: Mir
Posted 2012-11-22 12:55:15 and read 2366 times.

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 12):
But yes, if you have any DRM-protected music, you're not getting it out of iTunes. I have always purchased music from Amazon, though, so it did not affect me personally.

Somewhat ironic, since Amazon loves DRM when it comes the Kindle.

-Mir

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2012-11-22 13:10:09 and read 2358 times.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 16):
If all that makes you unhappy, brace yourself, thanks to UEFI, you will not be allowed to install any other operating system on a computer sold with Windows 8 installed.

That only applies to ARM-based computers. Microsoft has continuously stated that all manufacturers are required to offer the ability to disable Secure Boot on Windows 8 Ready x86 machines.

[Edited 2012-11-22 13:10:42]

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: Ken777
Posted 2012-11-22 15:13:17 and read 2316 times.

Black Friday might be a good time to look seriously. I got a flyer from ATT for some of the smart phones that were free. Probably other carriers will be using Black Friday to move a lot of smart phones of various brands.

The same with computers. Big boxes need to move a lot of on Black Friday so it's worth searching to see what is available.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: njxc500
Posted 2012-11-22 18:27:33 and read 2263 times.

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 4):
Quoting njxc500 (Reply 3):
. Mine streams to my android then to anything that has a standard sound 3.5mm input jack.

Sorry, I'm not completely sure I understand. Do you plug your phone into your computer and manually drag files over? are you sending stuff over WiFi?

I'm streaming from Windows via Wifi, to my android. From there, it can be played on my phones speaker, played thru the standard headphone jack to either headphones or an input jack on many sound systems, or my dewalt radio. Just like plugging an ipod into a sound system to output it's music.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: nighthawk
Posted 2012-11-23 00:28:35 and read 2226 times.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 16):
As for Metro Apps, how do you feel about built-in ads embedded in software you purchased? Because thats what you get. And if you want to play a dvd or use the computer as a media center, you will need to find another program, they have stripped that capability.

This is the same on all platforms. Apple and Android apps can also have ads in them. Simply buy apps that don't have ads in them. Problem solved. Also, the name Metro has been dropped, they are now known as "Windows 8 Style Apps".

Quoting mham001 (Reply 16):
Windows 8 Mail does not support POP3. Huh?

That is a little surprising, but not really a big issue. Most ISPs support IMAP anyway, which is a lot more suited for use on multiple devices, which Windows 8 now encourages.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 16):
If all that makes you unhappy, brace yourself, thanks to UEFI, you will not be allowed to install any other operating system on a computer sold with Windows 8 installed.

Not true. UEFI features a secure boot system (which can be disabled in the BIOS), which will only boot software that has been digitally signed. Sadly microsoft controls this signing process, which is far from ideal, however they are currently working with the Linux Foundation to sign a linux bootloader that can be used. Once released, any linux distro can use this loader and continue to boot on a UEFI enabled machine.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 16):
Windows 8 has less functionality than XP and to add insult, forces you learn a different way to use less.

What functionality is missing from Windows 8 then? Other than .NET 1.1 which will be 10 years old next year.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-11-23 01:43:55 and read 2204 times.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 14):
Unless your PC has a touch screen get Win 7.

I would agree with that. Win 8 is very unintuitive and difficult to use ... unless you have touch screen or are familiar with the touch screen gestures. I'm finally starting to get the hang of Win 8 but for me, using it without a touch screen interface would be extremely frustrating.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: mham001
Posted 2012-11-23 07:10:38 and read 2155 times.

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 23):
This is the same on all platforms. Apple and Android apps can also have ads in them. Simply buy apps that don't have ads in them. Problem solved. Also, the name Metro has been dropped, they are now known as "Windows 8 Style Apps".

I am talking about apps that ship with Windows. Weather, Finance, Travel, News, etc. We see adds on free third party Android and Apple apps, paid versions are add free.

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 23):
What functionality is missing from Windows 8 then? Other than .NET 1.1 which will be 10 years old next year.

No DVD player? No media center (but you can buy it), no Start button.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: nighthawk
Posted 2012-11-23 08:50:37 and read 2133 times.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 25):
No DVD player? No media center (but you can buy it), no Start button.

The start button is hardly a key feature, simply move the mouse into the bottom corner and you can still access the new menu interface. Windows XP didnt feature a DVD player either, so it's just a return to the old way of doing things, granted it's a bit of a backward step, but not a major issue. I assume windows 8 still has media player, allowing you to play and stream media, what other features are missing?

I don't see Windows 8 as being that much different from Win7 in terms of features, it just has a new interface that some users are less than impressed with. i remain sceptical on the success of Win8 for this reason, but not due to the lack of features.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: mham001
Posted 2012-11-23 10:02:11 and read 2122 times.

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 26):
The start button is hardly a key feature,

Oh, I have to disagree. The Start button is THE key part of Windows desktop (imo). The beginning and end of every session. That they don't include it in their new Desktop was foolish. You are right, people are confused with the new interface and inclusion of a Start button would have alleviated much of it.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: elbandgeek
Posted 2012-11-23 10:54:57 and read 2098 times.

"Windows 8 is hard to use" No it isn't. It has a slight learning curve, but if you actually make the slightest effort you'll figure it out in a couple days tops. Frankly, as soon as I adjusted to it I had no desire to ever go back, and that's without a touchscreen. The biggest problem with it is that people are unwilling to accept change, flat out. The "every other version sucks" line is a myth, and if you compare 8, which is ridiculously fast and stable to ME which was broken in many ways, or Vista which was just sluggish, it shows you have no knowledge on the matter whatsoever.
DVD support and Media Center were cut to avoid the license fee since so many computers are now sold without optical drives and not that many people used them for movies to begin with. If you want it, it's optional and free for the next couple months.
and the start button is still there. It's just hidden because why waste the screen space? They tell you on first boot how to access the charms menu (which includes it's own start button in addition to the hot corner) and if you can't figure out the rest of the OS from there you, you shouldn't be using a computer.

Getting back to OP's questions, whether or not you need a discrete video card is pretty much dependent on what games you might be playing. I'd say the integrated graphics with current intel chipsets would have little problem with most games more than a year or two old but for the latest and greatest you may need something more.

As far as phones, I've been using windows phone for a year and a half and the experience is just unbelievable. I'm upgrading to an 8X as soon as Verizon chooses to actually ship it but even my current Trophy still feels new and exciting. It's hard to explain but if you've seen any of their current commercials about it being a more personal experience I can wholeheartedly attest to it and while it was really good with WP7, 8 is even better.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: doug_Or
Posted 2012-11-23 11:24:32 and read 2083 times.

Quoting elbandgeek (Reply 28):
I'd say the integrated graphics with current intel chipsets would have little problem with most games more than a year or two old but for the latest and greatest you may need something more.

Ok thanks. My friend has a new Mac Air (8gig RAM and Intel i5 with the 4000 integrated graphics) and said CIV 5 would run but not so well once he got later in the game or with the graphics turned up. Looking at the systems requirements (OS v. Windows) I think this might have more to do with the port to Mac then the actual processing requirements of the game, though. I generally play strategy games (railroad tycoon, civilization, close combat, etc) which I don't think need to be graphics intensive, but it seems I'm in the minority on that one.

I was impressed that when I put my 13 year old Close Combat III CD into a brand new Windows 7 machine it played just fine, because when I put by 7 year old Railroad Tycoon III CD into my new MacBook Pro it told me to pound sand. I'm afraid a Windows 8 machine won't be as compatible on this front.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 21):
Black Friday might be a good time to look seriously. I got a flyer from ATT for some of the smart phones that were free. Probably other carriers will be using Black Friday to move a lot of smart phones of various brands.

The same with computers. Big boxes need to move a lot of on Black Friday so it's worth searching to see what is available.

That is what prompted me to start this thread. Already spent an hour semi-drunkenly hitting F5 last night to no avail.

Quoting planejamie (Reply 17):

For the love of god stick with the iPhone!

Ugg, thats what the Android evangelical told me last night. When I described my usage he he just kind of shrugged and told me I'd probably be better off with another fruitphone.



[Edited 2012-11-23 11:27:32]

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: Flighty
Posted 2012-11-23 12:07:00 and read 2070 times.

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 29):
I'm afraid a Windows 8 machine won't be as compatible on this front.

Acer 11.6 inch netbook. (2 or 3 lbs) Cost.... $249 or so. Windows 7. Dual core Intel 877 processor. 4GB RAM upgradeable to 8GB. 500 GB thin hard drive. Did I mention it is $249 refurbished... they are still available. Acer Aspire One AO756-2420.

MacOS is arguably somewhat superior, but yeah. Mostly it is a style item. I never had a job that fully used the Mac platform. The above Acer can handle major computation work. A Mac is a great computer, but what's the point... I use it at home as a toy. Final Cut Pro, etc. Nice toy it is.

Recently got a Samsung phone too... a Brightside. It looks like a smartphone, but has no data plan (it is not a true smartphone). This saves you the $400/yr a smartphone data plan would cost. With a text plan, you do have email capability and a keyboard.

Topic: RE: Leaving The Apple Universe- New Phone & Laptop?s
Username: fxramper
Posted 2012-11-23 14:41:47 and read 2041 times.

I don't speak this language. You started a war when you began this thread using Apple as a disclaimer to flame bait.

Blasphemy.


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