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Topic: Car Preference......
Username: sudden
Posted 2012-10-31 02:42:21 and read 3406 times.

Ladies and gents,

As we all have different preferences when it comes to buying a car, I would like to hear what you look(ed) for.
Sport, safety, green, big, small.......you name it. There's no right or wrong.

As a parent I am well in to safety and impact zones. Never ever would you see me drive around in Renault Twingo, Smart or any other "lunch box" for that matter.

Currently I am driving a Golf GTI which in regards to safety is a pretty good car. But I can not deny the fact that I also like my car to have some performance. More or less all my cars I had I have tuned one way or the other. A bit of a petrol head indeed.
I am by all means not thinking green. Maybe I should but I am not for several reasons which I will not start with in this topic.

[Edited 2012-10-31 02:44:16]

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: Bill142
Posted 2012-10-31 03:01:29 and read 3401 times.

I heard you wanted to upgrade to a Tata Nano.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: sudden
Posted 2012-10-31 03:13:18 and read 3392 times.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 1):
I heard you wanted to upgrade to a Tata Nano.

Damn you for telling!

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-10-31 03:16:41 and read 3389 times.

Quoting sudden (Thread starter):
As we all have different preferences when it comes to buying a car, I would like to hear what you look(ed) for.
Sport, safety, green, big, small.......you name it. There's no right or wrong.

1. Good looks. Styling is super important in my purchasing decision. If I don't like the way a car looks, I won't buy it, no matter how good a car it may be.

2. Luxury and technology. Leather seats, woodgrain trim, roomy cabin, every feature and gadget imaginable in the car, quiet, refined ride.

3. Power. I'm not buying a truck, so it has to be reasonably swift off the line. 0-100km/h in under 7 seconds.

The Bentley Continental GT would be the ultimate.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: Superfly
Posted 2012-10-31 03:29:21 and read 3390 times.

Quoting sudden (Thread starter):



Comfort, space, luxury, style and power. I'm partial to full-size sedans.
I don't like to have to 'duck' my head to get in & out of a car due to low, sporty rooflines of so many cars today.
My car in the US is a Lincoln Town Car. The car I'll most likely purchase here in Thailand will be a used Toyota Crown Royal Saloon (1999-2003) Royal or Crown Comfort.
Although the the Royal Saloon has many more features, I like the 'Comfort' model because it still has available column shifter and fender mounter rear-view mirrors.
I'm not a fan of console shift.
Car must be rear-drive and ideally V8. A I-6 or V6 is ok as well.
Vertical chrome grille and hood ornaments are a nice added plus.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: sudden
Posted 2012-10-31 03:34:34 and read 3381 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 3):
The Bentley Continental GT would be the ultimate.

What are you driving at the moment?
Your preferences kind of matches what I had before the Golf as I was driving an RS4. Really comfy car with lots of gadgets and performance.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):

I don't think anyone here has missed your car preference.
Comes closer to flagships then cars.  

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-10-31 03:45:07 and read 3373 times.

Quoting sudden (Reply 5):
What are you driving at the moment?

Umm ... a 2005 Ford Fairmont. It's a long, long way from being my dream car, but it's a full size sedan. The "Fairmont" is the more luxurious and better equipped version of the Australian "Falcon", and has the power from a 4.0-litre in-line six cylinder engine. It may not have leather seats and woodgrain trim, but it has velour seats and mock-woodgrain (plastic dyed with a non-descript woodgrain pattern) trim  



[Edited 2012-10-31 03:48:49]

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: Rabenschlag
Posted 2012-10-31 04:00:50 and read 3362 times.

Important aspects:

1. Safety
2. Comfort: want to be isolated from the environment and the engine (as little noise as possible, soft ride)
3. Understated, modern design (think Audi)

With plenty of resources, it would probably be a RR Ghost.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: sudden
Posted 2012-10-31 04:02:07 and read 3360 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 6):

Would a Holden with V8 and supercharger not be able to coop with your preferences? Nice looking cars with enough torque.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: Superfly
Posted 2012-10-31 04:02:34 and read 3365 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 6):
Umm ... a 2005 Ford Fairmont. It's a long, long way from being my dream car, but it's a full size sedan. The "Fairmont" is the more luxurious and better equipped version of the Australian "Falcon", and has the power from a 4.0-litre in-line six cylinder engine. It may not have leather seats and woodgrain trim, but it has velour seats and mock-woodgrain (plastic dyed with a non-descript woodgrain pattern) trim



The best American cars at the moment are made in Australia. I'd like to have one of those V8 Holden Commodores.

Quoting sudden (Reply 5):
Comes closer to flagships then cars.


Haha, the Toyota Crown Comfort is the smallest of cars I'd buy.
They're used as taxis in Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-10-31 04:27:07 and read 3348 times.

Quoting sudden (Reply 8):
Would a Holden with V8 and supercharger not be able to coop with your preferences? Nice looking cars with enough torque.

No, because it's a Holden  

The Holden-Ford rivalry in Australia is akin to the Mercedes-BMW rivalry in Germany. Not many fans of one brand would buy the other. If I'm ever to move away from owning Fords, it'll be to any brand other than Holden.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: sudden
Posted 2012-10-31 05:32:30 and read 3331 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 10):
The Holden-Ford rivalry in Australia is akin to the Mercedes-BMW rivalry in Germany

I can recall that Bill142 mentioned this to me. I would not mind owning a Holden though. I like them.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: KiwiRob
Posted 2012-10-31 05:36:00 and read 3329 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 6):
Umm ... a 2005 Ford Fairmont

What you didn't spend the extra 50 and get a Fairmont Ghia!?

Quoting sudden (Reply 8):
Would a Holden with V8 and supercharger not be able to coop with your preferences? Nice looking cars with enough torque.

There has never been a factory supercharged V8 Holden, HSV have never made one either.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-10-31 05:46:03 and read 3320 times.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 12):
What you didn't spend the extra 50 and get a Fairmont Ghia!?

I would've loved to, but it was out of my price range. I bought my Fairmont used, it was 11 months old and had done 16,000kms when I bought the car for which I paid $28,000 (compared with about $45,000 I would've had to pay for a new one, it was a bargain). The Fairmont Ghia definitely fits my preference for more luxurious, top of the range big cars much better than the Fairmont does, but at the time, it was the best I could afford.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: NorthStarDC4M
Posted 2012-10-31 09:00:23 and read 3287 times.

1- Driving comfort... is it comfortable to steer, pedals right positions, seat go far enough down/back, controls easy to reach, etc

2- Drivability... acceleration is part, but also does it steer as i like (I like my steering responsive, not with a huge dead zone), easy to hold at speed, etc...

3- Overall look... not super important but I hate boxes... like Nissan Cube, Kia Soul, etc.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: Charles79
Posted 2012-10-31 10:56:09 and read 3265 times.

Quoting sudden (Thread starter):
I would like to hear what you look(ed) for

1. Performance/Handling - I was looking for a complete package, a car that performed well in acceleration, handling, braking, economy, and ride comfort. Doesn't have to be best in class in any category, rather provide a good overall compromise. Also, it must offer a manual transmission.

2. Safety - airbags in the front and sides, score well in the industry standard tests. Traction control and ABS are must haves, and stability control would be nice too.

3. Practicality - live in the city, so compact 4-door hatchback is my preferred layout. Enough cargo room for the occasional IKEA run, easy to park, able to maneouver through city traffic, and seat 4 adults in relative comfort.

4. Equipment - I like useful toys such as seat warmers, sunroof, and CD player. Leather seats, navigation, power seats, and other gadgets only come into consideration if they can be had within the target price (see below).

5. Value - My target price was $25,000.

Result: Volkswagen Golf GTI. Bought it new 4 years ago, it now has 99,800 km (62K miles) and still looks and drives like new.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-10-31 13:04:36 and read 3225 times.

I drive 55 miles to and from work every day.

I need:
*reliable
*fuel efficient (++++)
*safe in a crash
*comfortable

I do NOT need:
*attractive
*sporty
*luxurious
*big

Hence, I drive a Prius.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: KiwiRob
Posted 2012-10-31 13:35:01 and read 3211 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
I need:
*to live closer to where I work
*to work closer to where I live
*to use public transport

Fixed it for you. The first two plus the third would be far more environmentally friendly than driving a Prius, then you can own a decent car for weekend use.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-10-31 15:30:35 and read 3187 times.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 17):

Fixed it for you. The first two plus the third would be far more environmentally friendly than driving a Prius, then you can own a decent car for weekend use

*My husband works in San Francisco, I work in a small town about an hour north. The Bay Area isn't exactly exploding with primary care pediatrician jobs near the City. Especially because I get a good deal where I work. so the more I move closer to work, the more he moves farther from work
*There is no public transport that could get me to work for less than $30 each way and 3 hours each way.

It's my life curse, really. The one and only time I had a good commute, the job was so horrible I quit after seven months. My curse is to have great jobs with horrid commutes.  

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: Aesma
Posted 2012-10-31 16:16:17 and read 3168 times.

I need two cars, three if I had a family. So far I only got one, the economic small hatchback that is easy to park, easy to fix, not too expensive to fuel. It's a Citroën C3. For luxuries I'm not difficult, a CD/MP3 player and electric front windows are enough for me, A/C if I had to live/travel south. It it handles right, is fast and can drop the top, I don't mind, so if I could afford it I would replace it with a BMW 135i cab or something like that. I already drive my 75HP C3 too fast, though, especially at night in my town, I know the streets too well.

The second car would be a sports car. It would have to be light first and foremost, so probably a Lotus, or something more extreme for track use only.

For the family I would take a minivan. I don't care if it has family man written over it, since it would be exactly true, and I would have the Lotus in the garage anyway. Currently I like the Citroën C4 Grand Picasso with glass roof :

http://hfr-rehost.net/http://www.vivre-maroc.com/automoto/upload/model/picasso_gold.jpg

The first two need to have a manual transmission (or a sequential one), the minivan could be automatic (although I've never driven one).

Also, I like colors. My C3 is apple green, the Lotus would be burnt orange or krypton green and the minivan gold or sky blue. Red is an option for all.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: vikkyvik
Posted 2012-10-31 16:45:35 and read 3157 times.

When I bought my car in 2010, this is what I looked for:

1.) A compact sedan or coupe.
2.) A larger 4-cylinder than I had (I had a Civic) with decent pickup.
3.) Manual transmission, preferably 6-speed.
4.) Sunroof.
5.) Good sound system.

This is what I found:

1.) A Mazda 3.
2.) A Mazda 3 S (2.5 liter versus 2.0)
3.) A Mazda 3 S with manual transmission (the 3 S is a 6-speed)
4.) A Mazda 3 S with manual 6-speed and the Bose audio/sunroof package.
5.) see 4.

I'm pretty sure I got the only one of its kind in the greater LA area. I'm pretty sure of this because they searched, and it was the only one of its kind in the greater LA area.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
I drive 55 miles to and from work every day.

My drive to work took 7 minutes this morning.  

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-10-31 17:47:11 and read 3150 times.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 20):

My drive to work took 7 minutes this morning.

Go ahead and rub it in.

In my work:
*I make very good money.
*I can look myself in the mirror when I get home from work knowing that my job is to take care of needy children and that I am doing nothing evil or exploitative, nor am I being exploited.
*I have intellectual challenges that keep my work interesting and fun.
*I have great hours.

You know about all those Facebook posts about finding your purpose in life and being happy and fulfilled? Yeah, they're meaningless to me because I *have* found my purpose in life and I *am* happy and fulfilled.

I'll trade a crappy commute for those pluses. Not many other people in the world can say that their job gives them financial, emotional, AND intellectual satisfaction. Most have to pick the best two out of three.

So nyer! :p

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2012-10-31 19:13:54 and read 3130 times.

Quoting sudden (Thread starter):
when it comes to buying a car, I would like to hear what you look(ed) for.

Fast. I have great merge genes, so I'm not afraid to hit the pedal and slide my way courteously into moving traffic, but that calls for a big engine. So I've always owned cars that were deceptively fast for their size.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: tz757300
Posted 2012-10-31 19:20:00 and read 3125 times.

Hmm, what I look for in a vehicle:

1. Room - I'm 6'5". I need head room, I need leg room. Give me both and I don't ask for much else, though...

2. Fuel Efficiency
3. Ease of maintenance - I always give my cars a look under the hood and under the car. If the car looks terribly complicated to work on basic maintenance, I probably won't buy it
4. $$$ - always look for a good deal.

[Edited 2012-10-31 19:27:28]

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: vikkyvik
Posted 2012-10-31 19:27:27 and read 3120 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
Go ahead and rub it in.

Your wish is my command (in this instance only....I don't swing that way)....My commute has been between 7 and 15 minutes for the last 5 years.  

However, I'm moving this weekend, and it will go up to....GASP.....8 miles / 20-25 minutes. 

Of course, the downside is that I get terrible gas mileage, and my car won't last as long.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
In my work:

All good stuff, and if it's worth it to you, then that's all that matters. I worked for a medical devices company for 4.5 years before I got laid off in May, and I always tried to tell myself, "hey, we're helping people". But unfortunately, it didn't offset the sheer torture of working there. Just a horrible atmosphere.

Now, I'm at a company whose products have been integral to hundreds, if not thousands, of space flights. That easily gets me to work every morning at the ungodly hour of 7am.  

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: TSS
Posted 2012-10-31 20:18:10 and read 3166 times.

My preferences are simple:
A largish compact/smallish mid-size wagon with RWD and a simple, reliable engine and drivetrain. Basically, Smithair747 and I are looking for the same car-


However, a nice '96 or later Taurus or Sable wagon would do.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: MrChips
Posted 2012-10-31 21:34:11 and read 3137 times.

For me, I look for the following in a car, from a practical point of view:

1) Size - I live by myself, so I don't need anything larger than a midsize sedan; even those are too big for my needs and tastes these days. That said, I want the car to make good use of its available space; hatchbacks are good, as are a good set of fold-down seats.

2) Ease of maintenance - Not only do I like to save money on auto maintenance by doing it myself, I actually quite enjoy it most of the time. I try to shy away from cars that I know are headaches to work on (modern VW Group products, anything with a transverse V6, to name a few) and choose a car that is at least relatively straightforward to work on. You'd be surprised as to how many modern cars fall into this category.

3) Efficiency - While this isn't important enough for me to go buy anything with more than a 12V battery in it, I don't want to go around needlessly throwing money out the exhaust pipes. If anything, I'd seriously consider a diesel if it was really important to me.

4) Operating cost - Ties into points #2 and 3, but I don't want to waste a bunch of money keeping the car on the road. It's why I don't drive a WRX; insurance for a guy my age is insultingly expensive.

From an emotional perspective, I look for:

1) Engine - Engine, engine, engine! This is the heart and soul of any car, and it better be a good one. Raw power isn't exactly important; rather, how is that power delivered, and how does it fit with the character of the car? Does it make a pleasant sound?

2) Handling and Ride Quality - I like a good handling car, one that "communicates" well with me. The feel and weight of the steering is important to me, as having an understanding of what the front tires are doing is important, not just from a safety perspective, but from an entertainment perspective as well. This is one of the biggest reasons why I'm not keen on electric power steering, as the feel and weight is very artificial at all speeds. Beyond that, I want a car with relatively neutral ride quality - not soft and floating, as I find that dulls the feel of what the car's wheels are doing at any particular time, but not so hard that simply driving the car to and from every day becomes an exercise out of Fifty Shades of Gray.

Things I'm not concerned about:

-Badge/curb appeal/looks - I owned a 1-Series, after all - that car's got a face only a mother could love. Beyond that, if Kia made a car as universally good to drive as a BMW, I'd sign the dotted line in a second.
-Electronic toys - Some things are nice (like straightforward device connectivity and satellite radio), but I don't care for electronic infotainment. I'd rather the dynamics of the car entertain me.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: af773atmsp
Posted 2012-10-31 22:18:59 and read 3174 times.

I have only bought one car in my life so far (2001 Volkswagen Passat), but my preferences for future purchases are:

-preferably an American or European car, but I'll also look at Asian cars as well (by this I mean where the car company is headquartered; for example Ford in America, Volkswagen in Europe, Mazda in Asia)

-plenty of room for passengers and cargo (station wagon, large hatchback, mini minivan, or sedan with large trunk) Ford Taurus wagon, Mazda 5, Ford Focus hatchback, the Citroen C4 Grand Picasso pictured above, or my Volkswagen which has a surprisingly large trunk and seats can be folded for extra space. Also a plus if there is room for more than 5 passengers, but not necessary.

-good fuel efficiency. I don't need a large engine. My Volkswagen's 4 cylinder turbo engine does the job nicely.

-I don't want a bunch of technology features that I'll never use. Again, my Volkswagen doesn't have fancy gadgets that I'll never use. Something like a backup camera or backup sensors are useful and I would gladly have on my car.

-reliable daily driver. Besides regular maintenance I hope that everything works as it should until it has run it's course and needs replacing.

-good tires for the Minnesota winters.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: Kaphias
Posted 2012-10-31 23:34:18 and read 3154 times.

Things I would currently look for in a car, most important first:
1. AWD
2. Manual transmission
3. Station wagon
------------------------------------
4. Reliability
5. Fuel Efficiency
6. Utility (should be able to take a few bangs, not the type of car that needs to stay pretty)
7. Driving comfort
8. Power
9. Looks

1, 2, 3, 4, 6, and 7 are checked by my 2000 Subaru Legacy Wagon. In a few years when I have a steady income I'll be making the decision to sell it and get another car or dive in and do power/looks upgrades. As it is now, I don't think there's anything on the market that fulfills my requirements better than 1998-2005 Subaru's, so that's probably what I'll be sticking with. Unless someone comes out with a good electric AWD station wagon, then I'd be first in line.  

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: Superfly
Posted 2012-11-01 01:33:14 and read 3142 times.

Quoting TSS (Reply 25):
Smithair747 and I are looking for the same car-

Smithair747 might beat you.  
He's been on a life long quest for a 1978-1981 Chrysler Town & Country.

Topic: RE: Car Preference......
Username: TripleDelta
Posted 2012-11-01 02:28:44 and read 3117 times.

For me, I look for the following in a car:

  • sufficient room in the interior (like tz757300, I'm just short of the 2 meter mark   )
  • sprightly handling: doesn't have to be fast, but has to have precise, finely tuned - and above all fun - handling
  • good design: has to have fine aesthetics that'll catch my eye, while still remaining understated. Clear, simple lines and odd colors (like metallic lime) are perfect; the interior MUST have at least two different colors/shades... and to hell with boring, straight, functional lines  (basically, the complete opposite of a VW interior)
  • not much equipment: automatic aircon and simple cruise control is enough for me (less stuff to go wrong)
  • lively engine: doesn't have to be big - 2.0 liters tops - but needs to be torquey and willing to accelerate uphill (for overtaking lorries on sloping roads). Bonus points for "addons" such as twin cams
  • and above all, mechanically reliable. I'd pay a bit more when buying - and sacrifice some of the above - if it'll get me a solid car that I can depend on in all conditions


  • Essentially, a car like the Euro Ford Focus - not necessarily the ST - or Mazda 3.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: sudden
    Posted 2012-11-01 03:09:32 and read 3107 times.

    Quoting Kaphias (Reply 28):
    2000 Subaru Legacy Wagon

    Had one of those. Great car to be honest and I had mine tuned a bit as well. But when the gearbox decided to shread itself to pieces I got rid of the car instead of fixing it. And no, it did not give up due to the tuning.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: dazbo5
    Posted 2012-11-01 05:12:23 and read 3093 times.

    Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 24):
    Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
    Go ahead and rub it in.

    Your wish is my command (in this instance only....I don't swing that way)....My commute has been between 7 and 15 minutes for the last 5 years.

    That's a massive commute! My commute is all of 3m / maybe 5 seconds; I work from home!

    For me, fuel efficiency is No1 priority followed by comfort, safety, room and gadgets (leather, heated seats etc) = Skoda Superb Elegance Greenline II; averages over 60mpg on the combined (easily over 70mpg on motorway / freeway) with a spec list as long as your arm. Much better than the Prius I test drove before getting the Superb. I'm not too fussed about performance these days with heavily enforced speed limits

    Darren

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: DocLightning
    Posted 2012-11-01 09:31:16 and read 3048 times.

    Quoting dazbo5 (Reply 32):
    That's a massive commute! My commute is all of 3m / maybe 5 seconds; I work from home!

    I could never do that. Leaving aside that working out of your home as a physician doesn't really make any sense, there are too many distractions at home.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: vikkyvik
    Posted 2012-11-01 15:08:10 and read 2984 times.

    Quoting DocLightning (Reply 33):
    there are too many distractions at home.

    You got that right. I'd probably just end up sleeping in every day.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: 3DoorsDown
    Posted 2012-11-01 17:35:13 and read 2944 times.

    Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
    Vertical chrome grille and hood ornaments are a nice added plus.

    I wasn't paying attention to who wrote it but as soon as I saw vertical chrome I knew it was Fly.  

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: ANITIX87
    Posted 2012-11-01 20:14:39 and read 2942 times.

    I'm 25, single, and I love driving, so when I bought my car in 2012, this is what I looked for:
    1) A hatchback.
    2) Manual transmission.
    3) Blistering performance.
    4) Price under 30K

    This is what I found:
    1) A VW GTI
    2) A Subaru WRX
    3) A Mazdaspeed3

    I went on test-drives. The WRX was out immediately because I know if I got one, I would regret it every time I saw an STi on the road. The GTI's interior was that of a car costing three times as much, but the performance was very lackluster. The Mazdaspeed3 had an interior that left a little to be desired, but the performance put a smile on my face that was there for days. The decision was easy!

    Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 20):
    A Mazda 3 S with manual 6-speed and the Bose audio/sunroof package.

    I ended up with the Mazdaspeed3 with the tech package (Navigation, Auto Headlights, Auto Wipers, Blind-spot monitoring, Satellite radio, LED tail-lights). I'll see your measly little 2.5L, 167HP, and raise you a 2.3L turbo with 263HP and 280 ft-lb of torque!!!  

    TIS

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: zippyjet
    Posted 2012-11-01 20:53:16 and read 2924 times.

    When I'm in the market, I look for the following not necessairly in this order:

    • Reliability (Consumer Reports ratings/reliability)
    • Practicality
    • Fun to drive/handeling
    • Looks
    • Color (I've had two black cars and I say I will not go back to black car color
    • Maneuverability
    • Got to have a kick ass A/C system


    Contrary to what many believe you can attain most if not all these things listed.
    My favorite car I owned was a 1986 Toyota Celica GT coupe. Equipped with A/C and 5 Speed Stick. Car was super reliable, extremely nimble and fun to drive. Safe in most snow events that occurred in Baltimore. Decent gas milege. With mixed driving (Interstate and City using A/C) I got anywhere from 24 to 30 mpg. And I'm a lead foot. When I drove to Atlantic City several times, my gas milege was 38 mpg! This car was easy to park and the back seats lowered creating decent storage.
    An interesting note. The car I had before was my dad's old black with a black vinal roof Olds 98 Regency 4 door. The A/C did an Anna Nicole (croaked) gas mileage was single digits, the bumper fell off and I had trouble hauling my Nordic Track.
    With my Celica, I put the back seats down and easily fit the cross country ski simulator inside. And this car was half the size of the old bordello on wheels.

    If money were no object and I could own multiple cars like Jay Leno I'd have in my stable/garage.

    NO order again
    • 1966 Oldsmobile Toronado
    • 1972 Buick Riviera (Boattail)
    • 1963 Vette Stingray
    • 1967 Ford LTD Country Squire Wagon
    • 1964 T-Bird Convertible
    • Early 60's "JFK Continental" 4 door convertible
    • 1970 Datsun 240 Z
    • 1986 Toyota Celica GTS Coupe
    • 2000 Toyota Celica
    • 1957 Forward Look Plymouth Suburban Wagon fully loaded
    • 1969 Pontiac Grand Prix


    I could list present (New Cars) but I'd be here all day!

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: TSS
    Posted 2012-11-01 21:17:24 and read 2913 times.

    As an addendum to post #25, here are a few things I avoid in a car:
    1. Sunroof- The majority of them steal precious headroom, they make the car hotter inside during the summertime (a big consideration here in Alabama), they tend to bind up or stop working entirely at the most inopportune moment, and sooner or later they all leak.
    2. Leather Interior- Hotter than cloth in the summer, colder than cloth in the winter, and needs special care year round to remain in good shape.
    3. Aftermarket Wheels- They're never as durable as factory wheels and they often require custom lug nuts and/or special lug wrenches.
    4. Aftermarket Sound Systems- Most sound God-awful from a fidelity standpoint, plus their controls, usually made up tiny buttons and poorly conceived multi-function pads, are inscrutably labeled and it is impossible to find the "on/off" switch.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: TheRedBaron
    Posted 2012-11-01 21:35:40 and read 2909 times.

    Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 20):
    My drive to work took 7 minutes this morning.  

    I take 4 to 5 minutes tops to get from my door to my office...!!!

    I bought a Golf Variant (sportwagen in the USA). 175HP, torquey, super quiet, roomy, drives like a car and has all the luxury items I like, pano sunroof, Navitation, voice commands, rear view camera, heated seats, xenon afs lights, you name it it has all a mid pack Merc has. 8 airbags, huge brakes and excelent visibility....

    Also I can carry my bikes on the roof !!!

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: sudden
    Posted 2012-11-07 05:44:57 and read 2788 times.

    I owned a Cayenne for a while and regarding comfort it was great. Kids loved it as they saw over the other cars. But if I were to own one of those again it would have to be one with a bit more power as I had the sneak 6 cylinder version. But again, a nice ride.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: KiwiRob
    Posted 2012-11-07 05:53:49 and read 2787 times.

    I'm always looking at cars, I can't help it, I'm also a serial buyer of cars, 7 in the last 5 years, but my wife bless her has said no more, we have to keep the ones we now have for 3 years before you can swap them. At the moment I'm rather partial to an A6 Allroad for the wife and and A1 1.4 TFSI for me, I've not owned an Audi so I think next time they get my dosh.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: sudden
    Posted 2012-11-07 07:07:07 and read 2786 times.

    Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 41):
    I'm also a serial buyer of cars

    hahaha....

    Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 41):
    I've not owned an Audi so I think next time they get my dosh.

    You are sure in for a treat.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: mad99
    Posted 2012-11-07 07:26:03 and read 2780 times.

    Right now I'm looking for a car that seats 2 isofix seats and one adult in the back seat.

    Might try the 520d if i have time but i doubt all three will fit.

    Other option is to buy a Honda FRV (or similar) and only use it when I have all three in the back.

    Suggestions?

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: na
    Posted 2012-11-07 07:28:47 and read 2781 times.

    1. Superior styling with future classic appeal (as opposed to trendy). And that means beautiful outside and inside.
    2. Rarity (I hate those bestsellers parking at every corner, no matter how "good" they may be technically)
    3. It has to fit to my purse
    4. Dynamics. I am not a racer, but it should be fun driving it. 150 hp are the bottomline.
    5. Safety. A modern car should achieve 5 stars in crashtests.
    6. Brand. I do like brands with a great history and tradition.
    7. Bodystyle. I need a 4/5-seater - twoseaters are great, but they are for people who can afford more than one car.

    Maximum space, avantgarde technology, unbeatable fuel consumption, top reliabilty are all secondary for me. But as there are hardly any real bad cars out there nowadays when it comes to these ordinary man´s preferences its easy to ignore them.

    I am driving an Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon. The only car in the world that fits all 7 points!

    Quoting CXB77L (Reply 3):
    The Bentley Continental GT would be the ultimate.

    I am absolutely with you this time! But unfortunately its doesnt fit to point 3!

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: vikkyvik
    Posted 2012-11-07 07:52:46 and read 2782 times.

    Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 39):
    Navitation

    Is that a mix of Navigation and Levitation? Could be pretty neat, especially in heavy traffic!

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: KaiGywer
    Posted 2012-11-07 08:05:14 and read 2782 times.

    Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 41):
    but my wife bless her has said no more, we have to keep the ones we now have for 3 years before you can swap them

    I feel your pain. Mine said the same thing. I am not allowed to mention "new car or truck" until I have had my current one for at least 3 years  

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: LostSound
    Posted 2012-11-07 08:47:38 and read 2782 times.

    Earlier this year I bought my first car.

    The 3 top values I was looking for were Style, Fuel Mileage, and Performance/Fun to drive.

    I also did keep my eye on longevity and build quality, however I only plan on keeping the car for 4 years before I buy again so I wasn't too concerned.

    Also, I determined that the C-Segment (Compact Car) was the place for my needs and I would buy brand new.

    Cars I test drove/considered and why:

    2012 Ford Focus - Best looking in the segment in my opinion
    2012 Mazda 3 - Sporty performance
    2013 Hyundai Elantra - Great fuel economy
    2012 Honda Civic - Great fuel economy
    2012 Kia Forte - Selling for cheap

    Cars I ignored and why:

    Toyota Corolla - Uninspired vehicle despite good reputation, to cramped drivers seat (I'm 6'3)
    Chevy Cruze - Bad service at dealer, car itself was nothing special to me.
    Volkswagen Jetta - Interior left me a little dry
    Nissan Sentra - No CVTs for me please
    Suzuki SX4 - Ugly and uncompetitive (Also they are pulling out of NA)
    Mitsubishi Lancer - Starting to age compared to new technology, Mitsu itself is going under so it seems.
    Subaru Impreza - Too pricey

    This is all subjective of course!

    After test driving all vehicles I determined:

    Civic- Feels like a tin-can while driving, interior layout a bit of a throw off.
    Forte- Very surprised on how much I like this car but in the end, style not bold enough.
    Hyundai Elantra - Great car, great value. Lots of warranty, lots of space, good price, and sleek styling.
    However the drive just wasn't up to par with the Focus and Mazda.
    Mazda 3 - Style is good, drive is the best as far as I'm concerned, but price was high and fuel mileage way down. Also the interior was not very comfortable and rather bland.

    That brings me to the Ford Focus.

    This car had the best style to me. The build quality was also the best with very tight fit parts and soft touch materials all over the cabin. Felt up class compared to the rest. The price was a little high but not unbearable and the drive was just a pinch away from the Mazdas great handling. Also, the Focus got exceptional gas mileage.

    So in the end I bought the 2012 Ford Focus SEL Sedan in Sterling grey. Loving it months later!

    One thing you want to do when you pick a car is to make sure there are no factory issues in the media. The Focus initially had a fair bit but I kept tabs on the updates Ford kept coming out with and bought it when car reviewers deemed it suitable. I haven't had a single issue with the car and the experience is positive enough that I'd choose Ford again.  

    [Edited 2012-11-07 08:48:31]

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: OzGlobal
    Posted 2012-11-07 09:45:31 and read 2784 times.

    - Safety
    - Styling
    - Performance
    - Efficiency

    Not necessarily in that order.

    I live in central Paris and have a company car which I only use on weekends and for trips away. It remains in the underground car park at the office otherwise. It meets my above criteria and is great for long road trips and exploring on country roads. For example, between Millau, central France and Lyon this summer, covered a couple of hundred km's of really remote back roads (even got encircled by cattle 3 times   ) It hugs the corners really well and economy can be as good as 6 l/100km of deisel:



    2012 BMW 525d with Sports transmission and suspension

    [Edited 2012-11-07 10:00:01]

    [Edited 2012-11-07 10:00:54]

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: NSMike
    Posted 2012-11-07 09:53:48 and read 2781 times.

    Quoting LostSound (Reply 47):
    So in the end I bought the 2012 Ford Focus SEL Sedan in Sterling grey. Loving it months later!

    I liked the new Focus as well but I'm a hot hatch kind of guy so I bought a 2013 Focus ST. It's in every way much better than my Integra GSR was. The torque is unreal...

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: LostSound
    Posted 2012-11-07 10:00:40 and read 2783 times.

    Quoting NSMike (Reply 49):
    I liked the new Focus as well but I'm a hot hatch kind of guy so I bought a 2013 Focus ST. It's in every way much better than my Integra GSR was. The torque is unreal...

    I'm jealous! I have not learned manual and that's the only option for the ST.
    It also wasn't offered yet when I bought my car. haha

    I love the hatch design but the hatch costs an extra 1000 I just couldn't swing.
    I'm content with my sedan though. Still stands out amongst some of the "appliances".  

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: TripleDelta
    Posted 2012-11-07 10:03:34 and read 2788 times.

    Quoting LostSound (Reply 47):
    This car had the best style to me. The build quality was also the best with very tight fit parts and soft touch materials all over the cabin. Felt up class compared to the rest. The price was a little high but not unbearable and the drive was just a pinch away from the Mazdas great handling. Also, the Focus got exceptional gas mileage.

    I drive a 2011 Focus hatchback (5 door) with the 115 HP 1.6 Ti-VCT engine. Having previously owned a Skoda Octavia - an excellent, sensible, comfy sedan - stepping into the Focus feels like stepping off a barge and into a speedboat . The engine's a twin-cam, so when kept above 3500 RPM, it's an absolute blast on Croatia's hilly and twisty backroads. The gearbox is fantastic too, something I've always loved about Fords (used to drive two old Escorts). If only the Focus had 15-20 HP more...

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: LostSound
    Posted 2012-11-07 10:14:15 and read 2786 times.

    Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 51):

    It is definitely a sporty ride! You guys have a lot more engine options then we do. We only have the 2.0L Ti-VCT GDI I-4 with 160HP and then the ST model has a 2.0L GTDI EcoBoost I-4 engine with 252HP.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: TripleDelta
    Posted 2012-11-07 10:23:20 and read 2791 times.

    Quoting LostSound (Reply 52):
    You guys have a lot more engine options then we do. We only have the 2.0L Ti-VCT GDI I-4 with 160HP and then the ST model has a 2.0L GTDI EcoBoost I-4 engine with 252HP.

    In Croatia, all engines on offer are either 1.6 or 2.0 liter - though they include both petrol and Diesel, and come in 95, 105, 115, 125, 140, 163 and 180 HP versions. Unfortunately, we do not get the ST down here...

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: NSMike
    Posted 2012-11-07 11:30:43 and read 2791 times.

    I was considering the Titanium when they offered the 5 speed but when they announced the ST I just had to go for that. Didn't go for the Nav package but I did spring for the 8" touchscreen and 10 speaker audio. Here it is the day after I picked it up.

     

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: sudden
    Posted 2012-11-08 02:06:54 and read 2775 times.

    Quoting NSMike (Reply 54):
    Here it is the day after I picked it up.

    As I am not a Ford person (meaning I don't know much about their engines), but is not ST the top end engine?
    Great looking car though.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: melpax
    Posted 2012-11-08 03:05:09 and read 2774 times.

    Quoting CXB77L (Reply 13):
    I would've loved to, but it was out of my price range. I bought my Fairmont used, it was 11 months old and had done 16,000kms when I bought the car for which I paid $28,000 (compared with about $45,000 I would've had to pay for a new one, it was a bargain). The Fairmont Ghia definitely fits my preference for more luxurious, top of the range big cars much better than the Fairmont does, but at the time, it was the best I could afford.

    I used to drive Falcons as well (the last 2 I had were Fairmonts), much more durable & better built than the Commodores. Was looking to go back to a falcon last time I was car shopping - they didn't have many FG's (current model) when I went to the auctions, and most of the late model Commodores that were reasonably priced wern't in the best shape. Came home in a BMW (E39 535i) instead. Paid peanuts for it, spent far less than what I was going to.

    If I was looking to go back to a Falcon, the G6E turbo would fit the bill just nicely.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: idealstandard
    Posted 2012-11-08 05:28:59 and read 2772 times.

    Quoting dazbo5 (Reply 32):
    Skoda Superb Elegance Greenline II

    Heavily enforced speedlimits is all good and well, but 100 ish horsepower in a big Skoda, must be pretty bovine in it's performance?

    Quoting na (Reply 44):
    I am driving an Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon. The only car in the world that fits all 7 points!

    Well done.

    I put style very highly, and overall driving experience.

    Therefore, my Alfa Romeo 159 Saloon (which looks absolutely cracking) fits the bill. It's got double wishbone suspension so handles fantastically well, and the 1.9 turbo engine (tuned to 205BHP) pulls strong.

    I love my Alfa Romeo.

    Clearly I am not bothered about fuel economy or reliability, because I bought a 159.

    IS

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: na
    Posted 2012-11-08 06:18:52 and read 2778 times.

    Quoting idealstandard (Reply 57):
    Well done.

    I put style very highly, and overall driving experience.

    Therefore, my Alfa Romeo 159 Saloon (which looks absolutely cracking) fits the bill. It's got double wishbone suspension so handles fantastically well, and the 1.9 turbo engine (tuned to 205BHP) pulls strong.

    I love my Alfa Romeo.

    Clearly I am not bothered about fuel economy or reliability, because I bought a 159.

    Well done too. Mine has less power though, its a 1.9JTDM with 150 hp, the luxury version. Ride is excellent apart from bad surfaces, were the suspension is a bit noisy due to the big multi-spoke rims. It has very good acceleration, like a 180 hp petrol car I would say. What colour is yours? Mine is titan (brownish) grey with beige Alcantara interior and a very attractive aluminium dashboard (I´m tired of black interiors after almost 20 years of all-Black, thats why I opted against the sporty TI-version, and I am a bit off the mainstream in preferring fabric to leather inside).

    Soon Alfa Romeo will start producing and selling worldwide, so our American and Asian/Australian forum members wont see the brand as something coming from a different star .

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: idealstandard
    Posted 2012-11-08 06:38:34 and read 2777 times.

    Quoting na (Reply 58):

    Well done too. Mine has less power though, its a 1.9JTDM with 150 hp, the luxury version. Ride is excellent apart from bad surfaces, were the suspension is a bit noisy due to the big multi-spoke rims. It has very good acceleration, like a 180 hp petrol car I would say. What colour is yours? Mine is titan (brownish) grey with beige Alcantara interior and a very attractive aluminium dashboard (I´m tired of black interiors after almost 20 years of all-Black, thats why I opted against the sporty TI-version, and I am a bit off the mainstream in preferring fabric to leather inside).

    Soon Alfa Romeo will start producing and selling worldwide, so our American and Asian/Australian forum members wont see the brand as something coming from a different star .

    Hiya,

    Mine is the 1.9 JTDM as well, but i had the DPF (diesel particulate filter) removed, the EGR blanked off and Alfa Romeo software remapped - and it is now somewhere between 30-35% more Torque and 25% more Horse Power!

    It gives the punch of the 2.4 JTDM but the economy of the 1.9 is also improved by around 10%.

    Mine WAS black, but it is currently vinyl wrapped (kind of a plastic coating on the outside of the car), and is white and green in my company livery. The interior is black too, I wanted a red or tan interior, but the girlfriend wouldn't allow it!

    IS

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: LostSound
    Posted 2012-11-08 08:24:26 and read 2781 times.

    Quoting NSMike (Reply 54):

    HOT HOT HOT HOT  Wow!

    Here's mine on a road trip:



    Windows tinted since. :P

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: KaiGywer
    Posted 2012-11-08 12:25:43 and read 2775 times.

    Quoting na (Reply 58):
    and I am a bit off the mainstream in preferring fabric to leather inside

    I am like you. I live in a climate that is extremely cold for parts of the year, and extremely hot for other parts. Leather is way too cold in the winter, and way too hot in the summer. That and I worried about my dog on my leather seats, while with fabric I don't care.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: YVRLTN
    Posted 2012-11-08 20:40:59 and read 2771 times.

    I need to move a lot of boxes or more around
    I need to accomodate 4 adults plus luggage / snowboards on a regular basis
    Often have to go onto unprepared sites with mud and boulders
    I need to pick up my wife & her bike at 1030 pm often in the rain (cant be assed with bike rack when its peeing down)
    Fuel consumption is not an issue as I have a 12 km drive to work and all work related mileage is expensed
    I need reliability, just want it to start and last forever

    I therefore have an F150.

    I actually had a 98 Explorer, and it was good but after a year it was showing tell tale signs of fulfilling its nickname of the Exploder (transmission going) plus the shocks were gone, so I was actually looking for a new Explorer. The fact they were willing to give me $5k for the thing after a quick drive round the block was too good to pass up on, but the sales guy gave me an F150 for substantially less than the Explorer. I was dubious about the pick up at first, as I mostly carry cardboard boxes and its pretty wet here, but have found on wet days I can get most in the cabin and I can move a whole skid and then some which is great. I have even carried a whole hot tub...

    Not to mention its a great plane spotting platform for getting over those pesky fences!!!

    Quoting idealstandard (Reply 57):
    Quoting na (Reply 44):
    I am driving an Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon. The only car in the world that fits all 7 points!

    Well done.

    I put style very highly, and overall driving experience.

    Therefore, my Alfa Romeo 159 Saloon (which looks absolutely cracking) fits the bill

    I love Alfa styling. I had a 2002 147 2.0 Lusso when I was in the UK (my requirements were pretty different then...) - all my friends were getting Golf's or Focus's, but the 147 was different. That 150 bhp engine was fun, it had all the bells and whistles included which were optional extras o nthe Golf and I loved that car. I badly wanted a GTA version, but was cost prohibitive. Anyway, unfortunately it came to a grizzly end due to the bonnet catch getting coroded and unbeknown to be only went to the safety position, not the locked position, so the bonnet opened at 90+ mph on the motorway... the catch was made out of some crappy cheap metal and they said it was my fault for not maintaining it. Despite having regular services, I never personally thought to lubricate it.... I got a 2005 mazda RX8 after that, was also fun.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: qf002
    Posted 2012-11-08 21:32:30 and read 2777 times.

    Quoting idealstandard (Reply 57):
    Well done.

    A woman driving a Alfa 147 ran a red light at 60kmh and hit my Mum's C Class about 8 years ago... Her car had a (sizable) dent in the side and she could drive it home, the other car was a write off and the driver was in hospital for three weeks...

    I don't think I'll ever be able to drive an Alfa after seeing that (though I know rationally that they are perfectly decent cars).

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: NSMike
    Posted 2012-11-09 02:49:00 and read 2770 times.

    Quoting qf002 (Reply 63):
    As I am not a Ford person (meaning I don't know much about their engines), but is not ST the top end engine?
    Great looking car though.

    Right now it is, but there's a rumour that a new RS version is coming with 350 hp.   

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: idealstandard
    Posted 2012-11-09 02:59:31 and read 2773 times.

    Quoting qf002 (Reply 63):

    I don't think I'll ever be able to drive an Alfa after seeing that (though I know rationally that they are perfectly decent cars).

    Front impact is very different from side impact. German cars are also built like tanks, especially the older ones.

    My 159 is a 5* EURO NCAP result, whereas the 147 is a 3* (not great, but bear in mind it was introduced in the late 90s)

    I think the rule of thumb is "don't crash"

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: qf002
    Posted 2012-11-09 03:44:17 and read 2771 times.

    Quoting NSMike (Reply 64):
    Quoting qf002 (Reply 63):

    Not me ??

    Quoting idealstandard (Reply 65):
    I think the rule of thumb is "don't crash"

    Haha, that's a good place to start.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: JJJ
    Posted 2012-11-09 04:17:58 and read 2771 times.

    Quoting idealstandard (Reply 65):
    Front impact is very different from side impact.

    Cars are design to crumble on impact, and it is especially noticeably on front impacts. You really want the nose to crumble and dissipate the energy rather than it going through the passenger compartment.

    Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 62):
    I love Alfa styling. I had a 2002 147 2.0 Lusso when I was in the UK (my requirements were pretty different then...)

    I used to drive a diesel 147, then a turbo petrol Mito. Different styling, nice to look at and great build quality on the 147, a bit less so on the Mito (both were the top-end versions, will everything except satnav and xenon).

    When they gave me the Mondeo company car I sold the Mito, because my wife had just bought a new Subaru Forester. a move I regret every day.

    My fav car though is my weekend driver, a Mazda MX-5 that's just a blast to drive, when the 4C comes around I'll definitely crunch the numbers to take one home, though!

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: B777LRF
    Posted 2012-11-09 04:27:21 and read 2771 times.

    1. Bayerische
    2. Motoren
    3. Werke

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: na
    Posted 2012-11-09 04:37:40 and read 2769 times.

    Quoting qf002 (Reply 63):
    A woman driving a Alfa 147 ran a red light at 60kmh and hit my Mum's C Class about 8 years ago... Her car had a (sizable) dent in the side and she could drive it home, the other car was a write off and the driver was in hospital for three weeks...

    A 147 is a totally different class of car than a C-Class. I wouldnt want to sit in your Mums Benz when a Audi A8 hits it.

    That said, interestingly some years back a Mercedes C-Class crashed into the back of my Alfa 166 at a stoplight. The Mercedes was clearly a writeoff, my Alfa was repaired.

    Quoting qf002 (Reply 63):
    I don't think I'll ever be able to drive an Alfa after seeing that (though I know rationally that they are perfectly decent cars).

    The 147 is from an older generation of Alfa cars. You cant carry old prejudices over that are proven to be false nowadays. My current Alfa 159 was tested and found to be the safest middle-class car (at a par or ahead of the C-Class!) when it earned 5 stars at its debut in 2005. And the 147´s successor, the Giulietta, as well earned 5 stars like the class leaders. So no worries here.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: ANITIX87
    Posted 2012-11-09 06:51:18 and read 2769 times.

    Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 48):
    2012 BMW 525d

    If I had had way more money to spend than I did, a BMW 5-series would definitely have been my choice. I don't generally go for German cars from a cost-of-ownership approach, but I think the new 5-series is one of the best-looking sedans on the market right now (along with the Jaguar XF).

    Quoting NSMike (Reply 49):
    The torque is unreal...

    I'm skeptical about the "torque boost" system. I'll withhold judgement until I drive one or read more reviews, but so far my car's torque curve looks much more impressive. I will say, however, that with a good tune (Cobb is currently finalizing their AccessPort for the new ST), the engine in the ST should be able to handle 360 ft-lb of torque on the stock block, turbo, and manifold.

    Quoting sudden (Reply 55):
    but is not ST the top end engine?

    It is for now (see below).

    Quoting NSMike (Reply 64):
    Right now it is, but there's a rumour that a new RS version is coming with 350 hp.

    I really, really hope they make this, but I want it to be AWD. The old RS was impossible to drive in anything other than completely dry tarmac, and even then the wheel hop in first gear was intolerable. Their revo-knuckle worked miracles and quelling torque steer, but you just can't have that much power to the front wheels no matter what you do. My car has boost limits in gears 1-3 (limits to 12 psi) to limit torque steer and a torque limiter for off-center steering wheel input to help avoid understeer, but they don't help at all.

    TIS

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: NSMike
    Posted 2012-11-09 09:50:12 and read 2766 times.

    Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 70):
    I'm skeptical about the "torque boost" system. I'll withhold judgement until I drive one or read more reviews, but so far my car's torque curve looks much more impressive. I will say, however, that with a good tune (Cobb is currently finalizing their AccessPort for the new ST), the engine in the ST should be able to handle 360 ft-lb of torque on the stock block, turbo, and manifold.

    It does drop a fair bit after 5500 but there's so much low end compared to my previous car, which made 128@6200...
    I've never driven a Mazdaspeed 3 so I can't compare the two. I doubt I'll mod this car anytime soon, but maybe in a few years when the dust settles and everyone knows what breaks and what doesn't.

    Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 70):
    I really, really hope they make this, but I want it to be AWD. The old RS was impossible to drive in anything other than completely dry tarmac, and even then the wheel hop in first gear was intolerable. Their revo-knuckle worked miracles and quelling torque steer, but you just can't have that much power to the front wheels no matter what you do. My car has boost limits in gears 1-3 (limits to 12 psi) to limit torque steer and a torque limiter for off-center steering wheel input to help avoid understeer, but they don't help at all.

    The torque steer in this car is fairly well controlled. Wheel hop is an issue... but I don't do many drop clutch starts these days.   

    -Mike

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: KaiGywer
    Posted 2012-11-09 10:01:13 and read 2769 times.

    Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 62):
    I was dubious about the pick up at first, as I mostly carry cardboard boxes and its pretty wet here, but have found on wet days I can get most in the cabin and I can move a whole skid and then some which is great. I have even carried a whole hot tub...

    Have you thought about getting a roll up Tonneau cover? I have one on my truck and when rolled up it's out of the way so you have an open box, and when closed you have a mostly waterproof lid. The only time I've had a leak was when we had a VERY heavy downpour, and even then the only water was right by the tailgate

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: ANITIX87
    Posted 2012-11-09 11:33:34 and read 2766 times.

    Quoting NSMike (Reply 71):
    It does drop a fair bit after 5500 but there's so much low end compared to my previous car, which made 128@6200...
    I've never driven a Mazdaspeed 3 so I can't compare the two. I doubt I'll mod this car anytime soon, but maybe in a few years when the dust settles and everyone knows what breaks and what doesn't.

    Well the nice thing for ST owners is that the Ford Ecoboost engine is a direct descendent of my car's DISI 2.3L. The tech is the same, the mechanics are identical, and the problems/weaknesses are typical to both. There is a plethora of technical knowledge on the Mazda forums that will carry over almost unchanged to the ST's tuning scene (hence Cobb redesigning most of their products for the ST - it's easy to do). The mod bug is hard to resist. I'm this close to pulling the trigger on an SRI, but I know it will open the floodgates for AccessPort, Fuel Internals, Downpipes, TIP, etc, and I know I don't have that money to spare.

    Quoting NSMike (Reply 71):
    The torque steer in this car is fairly well controlled. Wheel hop is an issue... but I don't do many drop clutch starts these days.

    Wheel hop is frightening in my car. The first time I happened I thought the front suspension broke. As I said, I'll need to drive the ST one of these days, but just from visual graphs of the ST's torque and power curves, it seems like my car will pull more effectively and more violently through a larger RPM range, at least on the stock tune. I'm sure with an aftermarket tune (even an off-the-shelf tune from Cobb) the ST will be able to maintain its torque numbers through higher engine speeds given the new injectors and the smaller turbo.

    TIS

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: YVRLTN
    Posted 2012-11-09 20:08:55 and read 2763 times.

    Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 72):
    Have you thought about getting a roll up Tonneau cover?

    I have, I actually had a hard cover on back order when I bought it, but in the first couple of weeks I had loads 4-5' tall. Then on my way home from the airport after dropping the stuff off at cargo, I could clamber up in the back for my very own spotters platform! I cancelled the hard top and was scared of damaging the Tonneau cover by standing on it. I really need to invest it one now winter is setting in again and just carry a ladder with me all the time.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: KaiGywer
    Posted 2012-11-10 07:24:58 and read 2763 times.

    Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 74):
    I cancelled the hard top

    Yeah I don't like them since they're always in the way.

    Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 74):
    was scared of damaging the Tonneau cover by standing on it

    Yeah not a good idea  
    Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 74):
    just carry a ladder with me all the time.

      

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: KaiGywer
    Posted 2012-11-10 15:24:37 and read 2764 times.

    Four by four came in handy today   For those that say that a truck isn't needed unless you either haul stuff or go off road, think again  

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: sudden
    Posted 2012-11-12 02:19:54 and read 2775 times.

    Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 76):
    Four by four came in handy today

    In these conditions I say a truck is THE car to have. Lots of ground clearence, torque, and maybe 4 wheel drive even.
    Would not say no to a truck with a nice big engine. Remember the black truck Mel Gibson use in Lethal Weapon? Awesome!  

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: B777LRF
    Posted 2012-11-12 05:07:29 and read 2777 times.

    Don't need a truck, or even 4WD, to navigate a bit of snow. Hell, I drove my automatic 530d all last winter without getting stuck, just by fitting it a set of winter boots.

    The best (cheap) cars for snow are somethng ridiculously underpowered, front wheel driven, with hillariously thin wheels. An old Ford Fiesta or VW Polo is just the ticket. Best thing about them is that they're slow. Second best is, that if you crash you'll be going slowly in a cheap car.

    Got a mate in northern Sweden who swears by his Citroen 2CV on studded tyres during the winter (which, in northern Sweden, is 9 months of the year).

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: sudden
    Posted 2012-11-12 05:44:07 and read 2778 times.

    Quoting B777LRF (Reply 78):
    Don't need a truck, or even 4WD, to navigate a bit of snow

    But if you live in Canada or similar where the winters are real winters it might make more sence to have a truck. Still a valid point you have.
    I would not get a truck to be able to coop with the winter as here is AMS winter is a joke anyway.  

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: KaiGywer
    Posted 2012-11-12 10:19:08 and read 2775 times.

    Quoting B777LRF (Reply 78):
    Don't need a truck, or even 4WD, to navigate a bit of snow. Hell, I drove my automatic 530d all last winter without getting stuck, just by fitting it a set of winter boots.

    Somehow I think the winters in North Dakota are just a litle harsher than in Luxembourg... It's very true you don't need a truck to navigate a bit of snow....when you have a lot of snow however...

    Quoting sudden (Reply 79):
    But if you live in Canada or similar where the winters are real winters it might make more sence to have a truck. Still a valid point you have.

      

    This is the first winter I have a truck (wife still has a car), and it is day and night.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: Ken777
    Posted 2012-11-12 10:34:20 and read 2774 times.

    I'm basically a car slut. Mo son had a Miata and I really enjoyed it - reminded me of when my Dad had a TR-3.

    My son-in-law has a Pacifica and every time I drive it I think it would be a good car in the future.

    And every time I drive my 2002 DeVille I figure it's the best car for me. Only a little over 120K so i could probable be buried in it when I die. Just recline the seat back and I'm good.

    If I was to change cars I'll look for:

    - Comfort. Lets me drive between OK and MI
    - A rear view camera. After two cervical fusions this is pretty important to me.
    - Room. We load up the grandkids and head to Branson several times a year and that fills the Caddy.
    - Drivability. I enjoy most cars - except the wife's Sonata. (It's simply a blah car to drive for me.)
    - Costs. Milage & maintenance needs to be reasonable.

    Sadly I look at a new car purchase a taking college money away from the grandkids. Plus I figure that if I buy a nice new car (which I do financially) I'd be dead in 6 months from some reason or another. If I stay with an old car (while drooling over new ones) I've got another decade in me.

    Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
    My curse is to have great jobs with horrid commutes.

    My bet is that the enjoyment of the job is far more important than the pains of the drive. Actually, you live in a great place for weather - get a covetable and keep the top down as much as possible. Build playlists of your favorite songs on an iPod. Plus a really good cup of coffee. It's got to help.  

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: KiwiRob
    Posted 2012-11-12 14:33:18 and read 2771 times.

    Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 80):
    when you have a lot of snow however...

    You make sure your car has proper winter tyres and you're good to go.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: Kaphias
    Posted 2012-11-12 16:31:25 and read 2766 times.

    Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 82):
    You make sure your car has proper winter tyres and you're good to go.

    No, a LOT of snow. Like those mornings when you wake up and there's 16 inches of new snow on the ground and the plows haven't been by. My Subaru is a beast in the winter, but even it can't handle that.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: Superfly
    Posted 2012-11-13 03:18:32 and read 2775 times.

    Quoting Ken777 (Reply 81):
    Actually, you live in a great place for weather - get a covetable and keep the top down as much as possible.


    Are you kidding? I used to live 3 miles away from DocLightning. There are only about 10-15 days a year when you can drive with the top down. I used to own a Chrysler Lebaron convertible and most of the time my top was up. I often had to drive to the East-Bay, down the Peninsula or up to Marin if I wanted to drive with the top down.
    The few warm days in San Francisco, I was usually at Baker's Beach - that was before the place went downhill...

    Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 76):
    Four by four came in handy today For those that say that a truck isn't needed unless you either haul stuff or go off road, think again


    Beautiful picture. I miss the snow.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: KiwiRob
    Posted 2012-11-13 05:10:15 and read 2768 times.

    Quoting Kaphias (Reply 83):
    My Subaru is a beast in the winter, but even it can't handle that.

    Should have bought a Volvo XC70!

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: sudden
    Posted 2012-11-13 07:16:09 and read 2765 times.

    Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 85):
    Should have bought a Volvo XC70!

    Makes no difference if it's that much snow anyway. In that case an SUV or truck to get proper ground clearence.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: ANITIX87
    Posted 2012-11-13 08:10:20 and read 2767 times.

    Quoting sudden (Reply 77):
    In these conditions I say a truck is THE car to have.

    Pffffft. I have an inkling anything is better than my car was the other day! It was, quite literally, undriveable!

    Quoting B777LRF (Reply 78):
    The best (cheap) cars for snow are somethng ridiculously underpowered, front wheel driven, with hillariously thin wheels. An old Ford Fiesta or VW Polo is just the ticket. Best thing about them is that they're slow. Second best is, that if you crash you'll be going slowly in a cheap car.

    I've got ridiculously overpowered, front wheel drive, fat performance summer tires, expensive car. Does 1/4 make my car good in the snow!??!? Hahaha.

    Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 82):
    You make sure your car has proper winter tyres and you're good to go.

    That's the first thing I did when I got home during the snow-storm the other night. I went online and bought 16" steel rims with 205/55R16 tires (stock size is 245/40R18 summer tires). Hopefully they do the trick!

    Quoting Kaphias (Reply 83):
    My Subaru is a beast in the winter, but even it can't handle that.

    I would think a Subaru can handle anything with how good its AWD system is. I was blown away when I drove my friend's WRX up to a ski weekend last year and we got caught in a freak blizzard coming home.

    Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 85):
    Should have bought a Volvo XC70!

    My girlfriend's parents have one, and it's a monster to drive in the snow. I think that car can handle anything, which is surprising considering how sporty and 'car-like' it feels in normal driving.

    TIS

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: Ferminios
    Posted 2012-11-13 08:23:24 and read 2766 times.

    My car preferences:

    1) Comfort: not too much noise, nice seats and something that's easy to park in the Dutch historical inner cities.
    2) Fuel
    3) Design.

    Currently I have a bright red 2008 Toyota Aygo which for me satisfies 1 and 2, not so much 3 . I'm currently looking for a second hand Volvo C30.  

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: Kaphias
    Posted 2012-11-13 09:05:07 and read 2765 times.

    Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 85):
    Should have bought a Volvo XC70!

    What a great car; doesn't fit my needs or my price range but it would be something to look at for the future if they keep making it.

    Quoting Ferminios (Reply 88):
    I would think a Subaru can handle anything with how good its AWD system is. I was blown away when I drove my friend's WRX up to a ski weekend last year and we got caught in a freak blizzard coming home.

    The only thing I've found that it can't handle is really deep snow. Everything else I've come across has been a non-issue with a proper set of studded tires.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: fbgdavidson
    Posted 2012-11-13 20:30:04 and read 2768 times.

    For me a blend of luxury, (stealth) performance and brand cache so I've got a Mercedes S600; 500bhp, 590 lb/ft torque, massaging seats and enough room to cart a few people around in nice surroundings.

    Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 20):
    My drive to work took 7 minutes this morning.  

    Sounds awful! If I hit all the lights green it's about 3mins for me!  
    Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 41):
    I've not owned an Audi so I think next time they get my dosh.

    I'm strongly considering an A8 as my next car. My father's had an S Class and despite a brief midlife crisis moment of madness with a BMW M6 is on his third successive A8. Both my mother and brother also have Audis! I feel like the black sheep of the family with the three pointed star!

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: KiwiRob
    Posted 2012-11-13 23:59:56 and read 2763 times.

    Quoting sudden (Reply 86):
    Makes no difference if it's that much snow anyway. In that case an SUV or truck to get proper ground clearence.

    XC70 has decent ground clearance, my wifes lower V70 would easily plow it's way through a foot of snow, Volvo makes great winter cars.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: sudden
    Posted 2012-11-14 01:14:02 and read 2765 times.

    Quoting Ferminios (Reply 88):
    something that's easy to park in the Dutch historical inner cities.


    I never drive if I need to go in to Amsterdam. I know more or less for sure that I will have a scratch or something else if I park it there. Too tight.

    Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 91):
    XC70 has decent ground clearance, my wifes lower V70 would easily plow it's way through a foot of snow, Volvo makes great winter cars.


    I know.  
    Worked at Volvo for several years, and have owned a few. My 850 T5 was nice, but my tuned 740 kicked some serious butt.  
    Awful winter car though.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: na
    Posted 2012-11-14 03:59:00 and read 2762 times.

    Quoting fbgdavidson (Reply 90):
    I'm strongly considering an A8 as my next car. My father's had an S Class and despite a brief midlife crisis moment of madness with a BMW M6 is on his third successive A8. Both my mother and brother also have Audis! I feel like the black sheep of the family with the three pointed star!

    You just mentioned THE reason not to drive an Audi. How boring is it to drive the same as everyone else around you. I´m coming from an Audi and BMW-driving family and would not consider those brands for that reason. If the family reunion looks like a one-brand dealer carpark, how boring is that (unless its the Ferrari dealer, that is)! You drive a S600? Why not a Bentley? Thats way cooler. Ok, here in Germany where S-classes are bread-and-butter topped with caviar it would for sure.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: sudden
    Posted 2012-11-14 06:39:25 and read 2759 times.

    Quoting na (Reply 93):
    You just mentioned THE reason not to drive an Audi. How boring is it to drive the same as everyone else around you.

    Lets freeze frame there shall we.  

    I owned, and loved, an RS4 B7. Best car I ever had. Comfy, fast, reliable and safe.
    And I come from a Benz family.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: swissy
    Posted 2012-11-14 11:56:48 and read 2757 times.

    just upgraded from MB R350 to a GL diesel   my 3rd MB and I am very happy with my choice. safe, solid, lots of space in that vehicle... kids are growing up and the g-parents getting older   hence 7 seats, everyone under one roof   without the need of an mini van! LOL

    Used to have VW GTI's up to the Audi Allroad... could not warm up to the Q7 so I visited our nearest MB dealer and the rest is history  

    Boy oh boy amazing fuel economy compare to the gasoline cars I had before... so far no regrets   will see how it goes when that white stuff is falling again  

    cheerios,

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: na
    Posted 2012-11-14 12:17:03 and read 2756 times.

    Nice to see happy Mercedes owners but I´d like to tell that a friend of mine has bought a B-Class Merc in August which has broken down several times already and spend about six weeks in repair. And thats not the only one I know who had nightmares with cars wearing the star.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: tommy767
    Posted 2012-11-14 12:23:06 and read 2756 times.

    I look for gas mileage, performance, looks, and ergonomics in that order.

    I crashed my 04 malibu recently and just got an 03 saab 9-3 for 6K. I absolutely am in love with my new car. The turbo function is great (2.0, 210 HP), the gas mileage is over 30 mpg on the highway, and it has an amazing sound system. Also, we had snow recently and the car performs amazingly in it with it's ESP system. Plus, com'on A.net Saab makes planes! It should be our official car!

    [Edited 2012-11-14 12:23:50]

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: dazbo5
    Posted 2012-11-14 12:47:41 and read 2759 times.

    Quoting tommy767 (Reply 97):
    Plus, com'on A.net Saab makes planes! It should be our official car!

    Yes, but the only thing Saab's have (had) in common with their aerospace brothers is the night panel button! Having said that, I had an 07 9-3 TiD 150 Vector Sport for 4 years and loved it, I was sorry to see it go when it was replaced last year. The sports leather seats are second to none comfort and safety wise and as you say, the sound system is amazing and the handling is pretty good too. I've not been in any other car with a sound system as good. And while we mention the night panel function, I actually liked that and sort of miss it. Just a shame Saab as a car manufacturer are no longer with us.

    EDIT: one think I forgot to add, the bongs for the seat belts are the same as the bongs on Saab passenger aircraft, so there's 2 things they share!

    Darren

    [Edited 2012-11-14 12:49:05]

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: swissy
    Posted 2012-11-14 16:59:32 and read 2758 times.

    Quoting na (Reply 96):
    Nice to see happy Mercedes owners but I´d like to tell that a friend of mine has bought a B-Class Merc in August which has broken down several times already and spend about six weeks in repair. And thats not the only one I know who had nightmares with cars wearing the star.

    You have a point... we had BMW's in the family in the past...rubbish if you ask my sis in law  , wife absolutely gets the shivers just thinking about VW  , I did have a couple of Dodge trucks...nothing major just falling apart driving of the dealer lot   it sure sucks if you have ongoing car trouble...regardless what make it is

    cheerios,

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: fbgdavidson
    Posted 2012-11-14 20:46:52 and read 2756 times.

    Quoting na (Reply 93):
    You just mentioned THE reason not to drive an Audi. How boring is it to drive the same as everyone else around you.

    Well, they're all 3700 miles away and my parents are divorced and my brother has his own family...but yes, I sort of see your point!

    Quoting na (Reply 93):
    You drive a S600? Why not a Bentley? Thats way cooler.

    I am seriously considering a Flying Spur as my next car, even compared to the 600's interior (which is a big step up from the German minicab S Class interiors you'd find on 500s and below   ) it's a world apart. I have a sickness called aspiration, I must always better myself when I replace certain things such as cars. The only problem being from the age of 25 I've had one of the best cars on the road, and there's not much further to climb so I'm not sure if I want to leap to a Bentley whilst I'm still in my twenties! Got to leave some room to aspire to!

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: tommy767
    Posted 2012-11-14 20:56:28 and read 2754 times.

    Quoting dazbo5 (Reply 98):

    Yes, but the only thing Saab's have (had) in common with their aerospace brothers is the night panel button! Having said that, I had an 07 9-3 TiD 150 Vector Sport for 4 years and loved it, I was sorry to see it go when it was replaced last year. The sports leather seats are second to none comfort and safety wise and as you say, the sound system is amazing and the handling is pretty good too. I've not been in any other car with a sound system as good. And while we mention the night panel function, I actually liked that and sort of miss it. Just a shame Saab as a car manufacturer are no longer with us.

    EDIT: one think I forgot to add, the bongs for the seat belts are the same as the bongs on Saab passenger aircraft, so there's 2 things they share!

    My buddy last night brought up the night panel cross over fact. Too funny how it's the only thing they have in common. Is saab ever going to come back? I thought they were on a temporary hiatus?

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: nickh
    Posted 2012-11-14 23:37:20 and read 2772 times.

    Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 24):
    My commute has been between 7 and 15 minutes for the last 5 years.

    Heh-heh. I have you all beat when it comes to daily commutes. My daily commute is about 45-seconds, or perhaps maybe 2-minutes, if I stop to smell the flowers in my back yard.

    Since I semi-retired from the engineering racket, I became a partner in my family's photography business - we own the office building where our business is, and I own the house directly behind the property.
    I took down the fence separating the properties, so my daily commute is walking out of my back door, across the yard, walking to the back door of the office building, down the hallway and into my office.

    The only time that I use my cars, are to go to the grocery store, run errands, etc. Daily Commute: Zero Miles.
    Then again, my younger brother (he is a senior software developer at Apple Computer) telecommutes from his bedroom, so I guess that I can't beat that.

    Now back to the topic at hand - things to look for in a used car:

    1:: Reliability/Ease+Cost of Maintenance. I unfortunately own a fun to drive, but a very expensive to maintain, car.
    2:: Safety. Side Imact Airbags are more useful than you think - I speak from experience.
    3:: Creature Comforts - the little things really do matter, you know. Coat hangers, extra-large cup-holders, etc.
    4:: Being able to work on it yourself for the little things, without requiring an engineering degree. See #1.

    When it comes to used cars, a friend swears by the older style Volvo DL/GLs and I have posted before about the older non-turbo Mercedes-Benz Diesels - really built like tanks.

    -Nick

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: sudden
    Posted 2012-11-15 05:48:09 and read 2771 times.

    Quoting nickh (Reply 102):
    When it comes to used cars, a friend swears by the older style Volvo DL/GLs and I have posted before about the older non-turbo Mercedes-Benz Diesels - really built like tanks.

    But also easy to work on. You don't need to actually search the engine in those old school cars. Would I want one? Nope!  

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: tommy767
    Posted 2012-11-19 11:02:32 and read 2759 times.

    Quoting swissy (Reply 99):
    wife absolutely gets the shivers just thinking about VW

    I hate VW too. Something about them being cheap, overpriced, Audi's and the connotation of my spoiled ex-GF getting a new Jetta from Daddy right before we broke up. Even that brand new Jetta didn't have jack s*** on my '04 Malibu and definitely nothing on my current Saab either.

    Most respect in Europe goes to BMW. They are the ultimate driving machine.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: dazbo5
    Posted 2012-11-19 12:51:23 and read 2759 times.

    Quoting nickh (Reply 102):
    I have you all beat when it comes to daily commutes. My daily commute is about 45-seconds

    You don't have me beat, 45 seconds is a long time compared to my normal daily commute! Have a look at my post in reply 32.

    Quoting tommy767 (Reply 104):
    Most respect in Europe goes to BMW. They are the ultimate driving machine.

    While there's no doubt they are quality cars, they do little for me and aren't exactly value for money compared to the compeition. I wouldn't have one personally.

    Darren

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: nickh
    Posted 2012-11-20 06:48:21 and read 2758 times.

    Here is a book that I read recently, entitled "My Mercedes is _NOT_ for Sale":

    http://www.amazon.com/Mercedes-Not-S...ords=this+used+car+is+not+for+sale

    Description:
    "Van Bergeijk decided he could make a few bucks by buying a rusted-out 1988 Mercedes 190 Diesel in Amsterdam and reselling it in a Third World country. The clunker had 220,000 kilometers on its odometer. The three-month trip takes him from Holland through Morocco, across the Sahara, and into a variety of countries in Africa. Along the way, he runs into such obstacles as minefields, banditry, and a teenage desert guide who loves Tupac lyrics. There isn’t much food or water, but there is no shortage of sandstorms. He is equipped with a bar of soap, some duct tape, and a pair of women’s nylons to patch up his car’s many breakdowns. There’s much more, including a coup that he somehow survived. This has all the makings of a horrendous journey—and it is—but his dauntless, lighthearted style of writing makes the trip sound almost like a romp." --George Cohen

    Check it out if you can, it is an interesting read. And, it shows the resiliency of the old style M-B Diesels that I have been harping about.

    -Nick

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: KiwiRob
    Posted 2012-11-20 23:26:37 and read 2741 times.

    Quoting tommy767 (Reply 104):
    Even that brand new Jetta didn't have jack s*** on my '04 Malibu and definitely nothing on my current Saab either.

    The Jetta certainly wouldn't have the rather brutal torque steer of your Saab  

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: dazbo5
    Posted 2012-11-21 00:40:33 and read 2731 times.

    Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 107):
    The Jetta certainly wouldn't have the rather brutal torque steer of your Saab

    I can't say I ever had an issue with torque steer on the 9-3 I had, it certainly didn't seem any worse that any other FWD car I've had.

    Darren

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: idealstandard
    Posted 2012-11-21 00:47:45 and read 2730 times.

    Quoting dazbo5 (Reply 108):

    Yes but did you have the 200+ hp petrol or a diesel model?

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: dazbo5
    Posted 2012-11-21 02:40:15 and read 2714 times.

    Quoting idealstandard (Reply 109):
    Yes but did you have the 200+ hp petrol or a diesel model?

    I mentioned it in reply 98 above, 150bhp TiD. I've driven less powerful cars with more torque steer than in the 9-3 and I had an Aero 210 bhp petrol and 180 bhp TTiD as courtasy cars when mine was in for service (as they were after getting me to swap for a new one!) and can't say it was all that excessive comparred to others. I also had a 9-5 2.3 HOT (185 bhp I think it was) and that was fine. On a track it maybe more noticable, but in real world driving it's not an issue in my experience.

    Darren

    [Edited 2012-11-21 02:46:28]

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: ANITIX87
    Posted 2012-11-21 07:05:16 and read 2684 times.

    Quoting tommy767 (Reply 104):
    Even that brand new Jetta didn't have jack s*** on my '04 Malibu and definitely nothing on my current Saab either.

    The new GLI is an impressive car. Maybe not quite as classy as the GTI, but awesome nonetheless.

    Quoting tommy767 (Reply 104):
    Most respect in Europe goes to BMW. They are the ultimate driving machine.

    They are certainly among the best looking, except the 1-series, X6, and 5SeriesGT.

    Quoting dazbo5 (Reply 108):
    torque steer
    Quoting idealstandard (Reply 109):
    torque steer

    You guys want torque steer? Come over and drive my car....my dad told me he thought there was something wrong with the steering or alignment the first time he drove it "because it changed lanes by itself" when he went to pass someone. To prove the point to someone, once, I took my hands off the wheel at an intersection and gunned it in first gear. The car took the left turn onto the side-street all by itself. I LOVE torque steer, because RACECAR!

    TIS

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: na
    Posted 2012-11-21 09:21:55 and read 2669 times.

    Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 111):
    They are certainly among the best looking, except the 1-series, X6, and 5SeriesGT.

    Right, these three BMWs mentioned are rather ugly, the revamped 1series is inferior to the competition in most respects, the X6 just a pimp´s car and the GT a bulky thing with no elegance at all. The 7series also isnt quite up to the looks of S-Class and A8.
    I like the new BMW-style, but its becoming too uniform lately, you can hardly tell a 3- from a 5-series. And very expensive for what essentially are mass cars. The new 6-series is fantastic, especially the brandnew 4door GranCoupé. And the new Z much nicer than the odd old Bangle-Z4.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: KiwiRob
    Posted 2012-11-21 09:42:55 and read 2669 times.

    Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 111):
    X6, and 5SeriesGT.

    I don't think either are ugly, especially the 5 GT, it's a great car if you want a lot of space, it's also fairly practical. The X6 has been so popular BMW sold more in the first 12 months than they expected to sell in it's entire production cycle.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: idealstandard
    Posted 2012-11-21 10:00:01 and read 2657 times.

    Quoting dazbo5 (Reply 110):

    The hot turbo petrol Saabs were known for their torque steer. The diesel is a totally different car.

    The 1.9 engine in yours is excellent though.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: tommy767
    Posted 2012-11-22 13:10:19 and read 2570 times.

    Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 107):

    I don't mind the Torque Steering on the Saab. It just means you have to put two hands on the wheel at all times!

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: KiwiRob
    Posted 2012-11-24 11:55:11 and read 2428 times.

    I really shouldn't go anywhere near car dealerships, almost, bought a new car today, thanks honey for saving me!

    One of these:



    I will own one one day.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: Flighty
    Posted 2012-11-24 15:17:47 and read 2386 times.

    Quoting idealstandard (Reply 114):

    The hot turbo petrol Saabs were known for their torque steer. The diesel is a totally different car.

    The 1.9 engine in yours is excellent though.

    We had a 9000 Aero back in the 90s... great car (manual).

    Today one of my cars is a 9-3 Arc (2.0T). Torque steer really is not a problem in the newer cars. It was more pre-2003.

    Yeah, it is shame about the brand. Great cars...   

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: tommy767
    Posted 2012-11-25 09:59:25 and read 2295 times.

    Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 111):

    The new GLI is an impressive car. Maybe not quite as classy as the GTI, but awesome nonetheless.

    The GLI and GTI's are fast but there is just something about them I just can't get on board with. They have a rather obnoxious quality about them.

    Quoting Flighty (Reply 117):
    Today one of my cars is a 9-3 Arc (2.0T). Torque steer really is not a problem in the newer cars. It was more pre-2003.

    My 2003 9-3 Arc steering wheel vibrates slightly at higher speeds but dissipates when you clench the wheel and take control. Also it all depends on the condition of the road as well.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: Flighty
    Posted 2012-11-25 13:21:57 and read 2262 times.

    Quoting tommy767 (Reply 118):
    My 2003 9-3 Arc steering wheel vibrates slightly at higher speeds but dissipates when you clench the wheel and take control. Also it all depends on the condition of the road as well.

    Interesting. Well, you should have tried that 9000 Aero! I remember the steering would wobble slightly on high acceleration over broken pavement. More than slightly!   That still might be my favorite car ever driven. Totally ahead of its time, fuel efficient, stylish, pulled like it had dragons pulling it.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: mad99
    Posted 2012-11-26 02:38:11 and read 2200 times.

    Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 116):
    I will own one one day.

    Have you ever driven one?

    I worked with a guy who's father build one for him and a got to drive it a few times.

    Super car for about an hour.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: JJJ
    Posted 2012-11-26 03:11:03 and read 2198 times.

    Quoting mad99 (Reply 120):
    Have you ever driven one?

    You can (or used to, at least) rent one at several tracks on special track days.

    Every time I went through Bahrain I checked their schedule as it was insanely cheap compared to what it cost on similar places in Europe.

    You could rent an M3 or a Formula-BMW as well, but then it started to get expensive.

    Topic: RE: Car Preference......
    Username: ANITIX87
    Posted 2012-11-26 07:03:27 and read 2172 times.

    Quoting tommy767 (Reply 118):
    The GLI and GTI's are fast but there is just something about them I just can't get on board with. They have a rather obnoxious quality about them.

    I don't know if I would call them fast, exactly. The GTI I test-drove when I bought my car really, really underwhelmed me with its power. I wasn't impressed. And you're right, most GTI/GLI owners are obnoxious. But with the quality of that interior and the comfort level of those cars, I would be, too. I chose performance over comfort and that's why I didn't end up with a GTI when I bought my hot hatch.

    My new addiction (and dream car): TOYOTA 2000GT!
    http://www.leblogauto.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/plr/2000GT_8.jpg

    TIS


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