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Topic: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Superfly
Posted 2002-07-13 11:48:29 and read 29680 times.

Yesterday I met a guy at a gas station who had a 1971 Ford Galaxie 500 Convertible. It was in OK shape. I complemented the owner on his car.
He was very proud of his car because he had 468,327 miles on the engine!
He said he bought it when he completed college in 1971 and has been a very low maintenance car.
I can certainly believe it too!
My Lincoln (1977) has over 220,000 miles on it and is still running strong.
This is a testament to traditional full-size American made cars.
Solid, indestructible and lots of low-end torque (that’s whare power is most important).


The guy’s car at the gas station looked just like this one.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Hurricane
Posted 2002-07-13 12:08:57 and read 29596 times.

Amen Superfly.
Think of all of the great cars over the years, all of the cars that manufacturers try to imitate today.
The birth of the muscle car. The T-Bird. The LTD/Crown Vic. The built Ford tough F-150. Even up to the production of the modern SUV. Hell, the birth of the affordable car in the first place! How often do you see a restored 'Stang with hundreds of thousands of miles? How often do you see an old Ford Pickup' that keeps going strong? Ford truly has made, makes, and forever will make the best cars ever.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: B747ca
Posted 2002-07-13 12:13:01 and read 29565 times.

Dudes, I agree to some extent. But the title should be Ford Once Made the Best Cars in the World.

ALL the Big 3 NAmerican car makers are spiting out some really crappy cars these days. As a matter of fact ALL the mainstream car manufactures are making some pretty crappy cars.

Nothing beats the good 'ol days though.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Superfly
Posted 2002-07-13 12:37:48 and read 29541 times.

B747ca:
ALL the Big 3 NAmerican car makers are spiting out some really crappy cars these days

That's to stay competative with crap coming from Europe and Japan. Big grin


However, the Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis & Town Car are the best new cars on the road today.
The new Thunderbird, Maruder & LS are fantastic vehicles too.  Smokin cool

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: B747ca
Posted 2002-07-13 12:40:15 and read 29537 times.

However, the Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis & Town Car are the best new cars on the road today.
The new Thunderbird, Maruder & LS are fantastic vehicles too.

Agreed. I was thinking more towards what I call the (myself included) "poor man's car"

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Racko
Posted 2002-07-13 14:10:07 and read 29528 times.

Go home with your strange-looking as-old-as-my-grandma cars  Big grin

And even Americans have to love the look of this babe:



click for wallpaper


Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: KROC
Posted 2002-07-13 14:43:56 and read 29533 times.

Superfly, I too love Ford Rigs, but there was an article in the USAToday not long ago about some guy from NYC that was about to turn 2 million!!! miles on his Volvo. Now that is impressive.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Arsenal@LHR
Posted 2002-07-13 15:29:26 and read 29511 times.

The modern day american cars like Lincoln continental's are really eye-catching machinery:



The old style cars looked seriously naff.

Arsenal@LHR

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: National_757
Posted 2002-07-13 16:42:06 and read 29512 times.

No way! Dodge will always be #1 in my book!
The Ford Mustang

doesn't even come close to this........

Dodge Viper






The Ford Ranger



can't even compare to this beauty

Dodge Dakota



Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: National_757
Posted 2002-07-13 16:45:28 and read 29508 times.

New Dodge Viper Takes On Air Force F-16 on Ripley's "Believe it or Not."

The challenge pitted the all-new Dodge Viper against an F-16 jet in a side-by-side, standing-start, half-mile drag race on parallel air base runways, accelerating to the speed at which the jet became airborne: approximately 150 mph. The Dodge Viper covered the course in around 15 seconds.

Read more @ http://www.dodge.com/inside/news_awards/news_viper_race.html?tsrc=viper&tgrp=promo2&tname=viper_vs_viper

The Dodge Viper took on a F-16 and won. How many fords can do that.........NONE.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Ilyushin96M
Posted 2002-07-13 17:27:36 and read 29494 times.

With the exception of Rolls-Royce, I have a hard time accepting the idea that any gas-guzzling behemoth can be considered one of the best cars in the world. And I agree with B747ca...American car manufacturers once turned out high-quality vehicles, but that has definitely not been the case for the past two decades. Only more recently have GM, Ford and Chrysler been making cars that truly compete with vehicles from Europe and Japan, but quality still tends to be lacking.

It's interesting to see which car manufacturers have really started turning out amazing vehicles. Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Volkswagen...those particular marques used to be considered cheap tin boxes, but I dare anyone here to say the same about the latest Altima, Accord, Camry or Passat. I particularly remember the Volkswagens of the early '80s - utilitarian transportation, but not one bit of luxury. And that particular brand is the one most likely to be credited for providing cheap transportation to the masses.

It's unfortunate that many foreign manufacturers have surpassed American ones in terms of quality and reliability. I'm glad to see new products like the Cadillac CTS, Lincoln LS, Ford Escape, etc. entering the market. It gives me hope that the American auto industry is at least becoming more competitive. Now, if they could just match foreign car quality...

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: VonRichtofen
Posted 2002-07-13 17:40:11 and read 29491 times.

I think Ford is doing just fine. Considering the focus is the best selling car in europe ( I believe that's the first time a non-european manufacturer has achieved this title ).

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: OH-LZA
Posted 2002-07-13 17:55:20 and read 29496 times.

VonRichtofen,

Fords popular in Europe are much smaller than the Fords popular in North America, for example the Focus is very popular here in Finland but I didn't see a lot of them when I went to the States last month.

Many US Fords aren't even sold here, I can think of the following models not being sold in Finland, some of them might be sold in Central Europe though.

Explorer
Explorer Sport
Expedition
Excursion
F-150, -250, -350, -450
Ranger (North American model, we do have a crap Thai-made model which is also called Ranger here)

IMHO German cars are the best!

Alex

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: KRIC777
Posted 2002-07-13 18:28:43 and read 29486 times.

standing-start, half-mile drag race

That is the key to this "race". From a standing start, a Viper (or any other reasonably quick street car) would already be far,far ahead by the time the F-16 (or any other jet) got up to about 60 MPH.

Another key (from the link provided):
"For the latter, DaimlerChrysler's PVO team tapped more horsepower and clad their Viper in racing slicks"

The car was clearly a wringer juiced up by the Dodge folks for this publicity stunt. Since this thing was run on TBS "Ripley's Believe it or Not", it was intended for the masses, not for true, knowledgable car enthusiasts, who know better than to be impressed by this stunt.

The Dodge Viper took on a F-16 and won. How many fords can do that.........NONE

I'd wager that the SVT Cobra R or the upcoming GT-40 could do it. And I'm sure they could do it EASILY if they were 'hot rodded' up by Ford like the Viper was by Chrysler.

Don't get me wrong, the Viper is an awesome car. But it is ALL-MOTOR. The 2003 Viper will have an 8.3L V-10. That's insane!!! Even Yugo could make a fast car if they put a motor in it the size of my living room. The Viper will get more respect from me when Dodge (like Ford already has) ditches the gigantic, 1950's trechnology engine and offers it with a modern, overhead-cam, multivavle drivetrain. That way, they could get similar power out of smaller (i.e. lighter) engines, and the car will ultimately be even faster  Smile

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: KRIC777
Posted 2002-07-13 18:58:03 and read 29446 times.

Check mate, kids

BRAVO. I'm as patriotic as the next American, but even I know that the best cars in the world (by far) come from ....Deutschland.

Anyone arguing that they come from any US car company had better get a clue. Proof that they don't lies in the fact that the US is the largest market for nearly every German and Japanese manufacturer (despite that fact that they are more expensive than their US competition) yet US companies (with the exception of Ford) cannot GIVE AWAY their crap. Read european car magazines...American cars are a joke. I know this is partly because US cars are built for the North American market (cheap gas, long travelling distances, American preference for oversized cars), but also because, quality-wise (i.e. -- how well scewed-together is the thing), the Big Three cannot not touch VW, Mercedes, Honda or Toyota (they do build good trucks, though).

The sad thing is that that there is no excuse for this..I know we can do better. Any country that can design & build Pentium chips, the Space Shuttle, the 777 and the 747-400 should certainly be able to build a world-class automobile...and it can..but it won't until the American consumer stops accepting mediocre cars from the Big Three.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Racko
Posted 2002-07-13 19:36:15 and read 29440 times.

Great collection, 777236ER!  Big thumbs up

Nothing can beat a BMW, every car they put out is fantastic. What would I give for owning a M3 or M5 ...  Big grin




The new Z4:



Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-13 20:03:57 and read 29442 times.

Guys make your own BMW thread.

I dont want to see that toilet trash in here.

Why do we always have to get flamed with these idiotic BMWs.

"Nothing can beat a BMW"

Right wow your so intelligent.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Theiler
Posted 2002-07-13 20:19:24 and read 29442 times.

Your BMW's can't tow my boat worth a damn.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: N312RC
Posted 2002-07-13 20:29:02 and read 29427 times.

The best cars in the world do come from Deutschland, but theyre TOO EXPENSIVE TO BE PRACTICAL.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Sccutler
Posted 2002-07-13 20:32:05 and read 29419 times.

A little perspective, folks...

(1) My clients are all in the construction business, and they all drive trucks. The trucks they all buy for the really heavy work- the ones they'll keep for years, use and abuse, and know that they'll have to rely upon- are almost universally Fords- Power Stroke diesels for the heavy hauling.

The Japanese trucks still just don't hold up over the long haul, even the Toyotas, which are exquisitely built, but have a needlessly complex engine, one which is higher-tech, but no more effective.

(2) Compare apples to apples here- my Caddy deville cost about the same as a v6 Lexus, has more room and a 32-valve Northstar V8. I picked it up in September of last year and, after 12,000 miles (not kilometres, though I can change the vehicle's display to metric with a touch of a button), all I've done so far is have the oil changed twice. It was, as delivered, perfect.

The engineering in most contemporary American cars is unsurpassed by any, and in an appropriate comparison, they are soundly competetive.

Of course, I still miss my Audi and I expect I'll drive another one, one of these days. And, my wife loves her BMW cabrio (though she sure gets a lot of speeding tickets in it!).

In cars, there is something for everyone, and no need for anyone to be insulting anyone else about their choice of car.

Though I still have not a clue who the target market for the Pontiac Aztek is; blind people maybe? But if you're blind, you can't drive a car, right? Oh, except in Palm Beach, Florida.

G'bye.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: KFRG
Posted 2002-07-13 20:38:46 and read 29411 times.

Don't get me wrong, Bimmers are great, but unfortunately too plain, expensive, and commonplace. Give me a ImpalaSS over an M5 or a Mustang GT or Cobra over an M3 anyday. My dreamcar, which will someday become reality, will be a 1993 Mustang Saleen S351! Pure and true American power there.
BTW, Merdeces build-quality has dropped overtime. Not the Benz's which some people used to know.

-Tommy

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: 777236ER
Posted 2002-07-13 21:26:53 and read 29405 times.

BMWs expensive? Hrm, actually drive one and you'll appreciate it. Speed volume for example. Soooo perfectly simple, but SUCH a good innovation. Multiply this innovation hundreds of times throughout the car and you get your value.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: N312RC
Posted 2002-07-13 21:32:01 and read 29406 times.

Yeah ok innovation schminovation... Chrysler was innovative when they introduced the Minivan under Lee Iococca, big deal.


On another note... How many middle class americans have 35k lying around for a BMW? Most people drive Taurus's or Accords or Windstars or Focii.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Greg
Posted 2002-07-13 21:35:57 and read 29405 times.

As an M5 owner, I would hardly put the ImapalaSS in the same class! No automotive expert would either!
I wouldn't even take one as a loaner!

Man, that one statement and I'll probably have to go back into therapy.
 Smile

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: 777236ER
Posted 2002-07-13 21:40:36 and read 29405 times.

Yeah ok innovation schminovation... Chrysler was innovative when they introduced the Minivan under Lee Iococca, big deal.

Let's take Speed Volume on the radio. As I said, the small things DO matter and with any BMW you get to appreciate the build quality, the style and the sophistication of the car.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: N312RC
Posted 2002-07-13 21:42:04 and read 29390 times.

Forgot one thing however... the "average american" never visits airliners.net forums for some reason.. we always attract the multi-billion-dollar 15-25 year olds..  Yeah sure

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: KRIC777
Posted 2002-07-13 22:07:36 and read 29389 times.

.....the US is the largest market for nearly every German and Japanese manufacturer (despite that fact that they are more expensive than their US competition) yet US companies (with the exception of Ford) cannot GIVE AWAY their crap

Lest I be misunderstood...what I meant here is that US manufacturers have a hard time selling their product outside of the Americas.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Racko
Posted 2002-07-13 22:09:51 and read 29487 times.

Yes, BMWs are expensive, bot they are worth every single cent. As mentioned by 777236ER, you get a car full of little details that makes it great as a package. Plus you get superb engines and a car that handles like a dream.

I drive an A4, Audis are not that expensive (especially 1/2-1 year old) and still high-quality, although they are not as good as BMWs, they are good cars.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: STT757
Posted 2002-07-13 22:33:29 and read 29387 times.

Speed Volume ?..

My Brother's '97 Cavalier Z24 has Speed volume.

You want innovation, name the Country that invented intermitted wipers. Sure wasn't any European or Japanase automaker, it was an American.

I can't think of any feature added to cars in the last 20 years that has made driving more conveinent than intermitted wipers.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-13 23:03:35 and read 29370 times.

"Lest I be misunderstood...what I meant here is that US manufacturers have a hard time selling their product outside of the Americas. "

Righhhhhhht. I see absolutely no Fords, Chryslers, Dodges when i go to Europe....no i havent even seen a Focus there.

"As an M5 owner, I would hardly put the ImapalaSS in the same class! No automotive expert would either!
I wouldn't even take one as a loaner!"

Ok yea...... The M5 is $90,000. I can buy a Viper for 85 and take you to hell and back. A modifies 96' SS has a good 320 horsepower and a 5.7L V8 Vette engine for $25,000. Talk about a ripoff!!!!!!!!!!!! And besides you could be just another ILS.......



"Let's take Speed Volume on the radio. As I said, the small things DO matter and with any BMW you get to appreciate the build quality, the style and the sophistication of the car."

Yea my moms 97' Thunderbird has it......your point is?


All of you that think your hot shots because you compare a $40,000 BMW to a $23,000 Taurus.

"Forgot one thing however... the "average american" never visits airliners.net forums for some reason.. we always attract the multi-billion-dollar 15-25 year olds.."

I agree with you Rob.....it seems every teenager and 20 year old has a BMW 740 or an M3/M5...........

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: KFRG
Posted 2002-07-13 23:11:19 and read 29351 times.

777236ER- Yes, Bimmers do equal crazy $

Greg- Although very different cars, they are alike, both large sedans (Although the SS would be paired up more evenly with the 7-series). Class? Just tell me how many Euro and American auto's are in the same class.....

"Yes, BMWs are expensive, bot they are worth every single cent. As mentioned by 777236ER, you get a car full of little details that makes it great as a package. Plus you get superb engines and a car that handles like a dream."

It's not just about the love of driving? What about the love for doing things yourself. Your not going to be able to perform anywhere near the same amount of mods on an M3 as you would on a 302 or another push-rod, or modular engine (281). I guess this is where their class is divided.

-Tommy

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: 777236ER
Posted 2002-07-13 23:15:18 and read 29346 times.

Righhhhhhht. I see absolutely no Fords, Chryslers, Dodges when i go to Europe....no i havent even seen a Focus there.

HAHA!! You're joking right? We have Ford factories here!

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-13 23:22:13 and read 29359 times.





Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-13 23:23:32 and read 29361 times.

I was being sarcastic....thats why i went "riiiiiiiiighhhhhhht"

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: 777236ER
Posted 2002-07-13 23:30:10 and read 29358 times.


Click them all to enlarge!
(I hope this pleases those who were unhappy at soooo many pics. They're smaller now!)

The Z8



The Z8 from the side



The Z8 cockpit



The M3 Coupé



The M3 Convertible



The Sequential Manual Gearbox
II



The X5



The 7 series



The 7 series from the side



The 7 series instrument panel




Check mate, kids.


Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Flyingbronco05
Posted 2002-07-13 23:39:27 and read 29344 times.

If ford makes the best cars, then why was the focus recalled because of the engine stalling and the front end dropping out?

The ford mustang gt a few years ago had a hole in the engine and was losing to base camaros. Seems to me that Ford has problems with their automobiles!

Have a nice day.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Racko
Posted 2002-07-13 23:40:21 and read 29359 times.

"Righhhhhhht. I see absolutely no Fords, Chryslers, Dodges when i go to Europe....no i havent even seen a Focus there."

Do you know where big parts of the Focus were designed ? So you can hardly say that the Focus is a typical american car. And no, you do not see many Chryslers or Dodges here.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Staffan
Posted 2002-07-13 23:42:41 and read 29331 times.

We had a Ford, but it had no big V8 or anything like that, only a 1.4L engine... Indeed a very good car, and popular, because it was stolen twice.  Big grin

Staffan

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-13 23:48:35 and read 29341 times.

""Righhhhhhht. I see absolutely no Fords, Chryslers, Dodges when i go to Europe....no i havent even seen a Focus there."

I was ONLY BEING SARCASTIC.

777236ER

Go start a BMW thread and post those damned BMWs somewhere else.

"If ford makes the best cars, then why was the focus recalled because of the engine stalling and the front end dropping out?"

Because alot of it was designed in Europe thats why.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Racko
Posted 2002-07-13 23:50:10 and read 29335 times.

And you got it back after it was stolen ? If a car is stolen here, chances are good that it is Poland before you even notice it is stolen  Sad

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-13 23:50:11 and read 29334 times.

BTW:

The 7 series back looks like a cheap Daewoo Lanos.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-13 23:51:48 and read 29332 times.

"If a car is stolen here, chances are good that it is Poland before you even notice it is stolen "

Poland? You mean in Russia.... The Russian mafia operates in Poland because its in close proximity to Germany. The cars that are stolen are going straight to Lithuania then Russia

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Racko
Posted 2002-07-13 23:56:03 and read 29333 times.

LOT, you are turning one argument against itself. On the one hand, you mention the Focus as an american car in europe, then you mention that it is faulty because big parts of it were designed in europe. So either there are no good-selling american cars in europe, or there is one but that is faulty.

About stolen cars : Well, I'm not so keen on car-stealing procedures, so I don't really know where the cars go in the end. I just said Poland because it's mentioned in all these jokes.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Staffan
Posted 2002-07-13 23:58:44 and read 29327 times.

"If a car is stolen here, chances are good that it is Poland before you even notice it is stolen"

The car was 13 years old and it would probably have cost more to transport it to Russia or whatever, than the car actually was worth. Anyway, we got it back with a few scratches and with 4 wheels less than it originally had.  Laugh out loud



Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-14 00:05:42 and read 29329 times.

"LOT, you are turning one argument against itself. On the one hand, you mention the Focus as an american car in europe, then you mention that it is faulty because big parts of it were designed in europe. So either there are no good-selling american cars in europe, or there is one but that is faulty."

Yes it is an american brand car but mostly designed in Europe........im not turning anything against myself. Its still an American brand though.

"About stolen cars : Well, I'm not so keen on car-stealing procedures, so I don't really know where the cars go in the end. I just said Poland because it's mentioned in all these jokes. "

Yes ive heard them, some of them quite good Big grin

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Racko
Posted 2002-07-14 00:54:04 and read 29306 times.

Staffan, they actually stole a 13 years old car ? I think the thief needs new glasses.  Big grin When I started driving with 18, I had an about 10 years old Golf. I left it open once on a public parking because I was late to my date at the doctor and didn't think of locking the car. When I came back, the police was there and a woman was talking with them because her Volvo was stolen while my old Golf was standing unlocked beside it. When I realized that I left my car open, I started to laugh out loud. Can you imagine the looks of the policeman and the woman ? Big grin

Since then, I've never again left anything unlocked  Smile

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Boeing4ever
Posted 2002-07-14 00:56:47 and read 29311 times.

I've heard the jokes too! And let me say I'm less impressed. Typical of the Germans. First they bomb it, then they have to insult it, and now they try all sorts of other economic crap on them. Then they complain about how American foreign policy works! Makes me sick as an American who's parents came from Poland.

B4e

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Staffan
Posted 2002-07-14 00:57:04 and read 29309 times.

Even worse, they stole the 4 rusty 13 inch metal wheels (with hubcaps), before ditching it in a parking lot...  Smile

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: KFRG
Posted 2002-07-14 01:09:53 and read 29296 times.

Well, back to the original post, I forgot to mention, Superfly, my friend has a '68 Galaxie, with only 60,000 miles to the engine! The car itself is in great shape, too bad he's selling it, the sound of that 390 big block is amazing.

-Tommy

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: N312RC
Posted 2002-07-14 02:22:51 and read 29292 times.

Superfly,

My dad has a 64 Galaxie 500 with a big 352. He got the exhaust system totally rebuilt and the next project is to grind the rust out of the rear window edges.. A little over 100,000 miles on the clock, it's got an Allegro Mark IV Heater mounted underdash and an single speaker AM radio! He got the white walls and wheelcovers taken off and replaced them with Krager wheels and some nice fat BF Goodrich tires.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Racko
Posted 2002-07-14 03:40:22 and read 29320 times.

Boeing4ever, yes we are evil. We all have the devil in us.

But...





we build these, and that equals anything  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: IMissPiedmont
Posted 2002-07-14 03:54:29 and read 29274 times.

I used to believe that Ford made good vehicles. I'm beginning to doubt it though. My truck just passed 385,000 miles and is starting to act funny. I guess Ford makes throw away trucks.  Innocent
I read a post that said someones father has an old "Y" block. I just can't find the post with all these pictures. I hope that it is well cared for.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-14 04:02:44 and read 29269 times.

Racko nothing but overpriced RICE.

Repulsive is the word that comes to my mind.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Flight152
Posted 2002-07-14 04:09:31 and read 29265 times.

We have always had American cars, they have ALL had numerious problems and often serious problems. Never again will we buy some trash that we will be reparing every other week. Since we bought our Volvo S90 we have yet to have a problem.

Though, we plan on getting a new BMW 540i soon, nothing beats a Mercedes.
S500

SL500

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Flyingbronco05
Posted 2002-07-14 04:26:19 and read 29262 times.

Do you all know what FORD really stands for?

Found On Road Dead!!!

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-14 04:39:32 and read 29246 times.

Gee I wonder why no one will start their own thread on BMW and MB and pay them respects FFS.......read the damn topic.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: VonRichtofen
Posted 2002-07-14 04:51:55 and read 29248 times.

Go to the airport and pay attention to what brand all the airport trucks on the ramp are. 90% of airport vehicles I've seen in my life at several airports have been Fords. One day my bro's chevy broke down (no surprise there) and I went to pick him up. Well when the tow truck arrived (which was a Ford) the driver was knocking Fords the whole time, yet he was towing a Chevy in his Ford tow truck, and I picked my bro up in my Ford ranger. Go figure.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Leftypilot79
Posted 2002-07-14 04:56:29 and read 29246 times.

I drive Lincoln Towncars at work....I like RWD better than FWD any day....handles much better when its just a car. A limo though...much rather have front wheel drive...it makes the turning radius so much better. I can always get around a cul da sac in a caddy limo (FWD) but in the lincolns....I end up having to back up a zillion times to get the big puppy around. Otherwise......the Lincolns rule.....and Chevy.....well....I like them too. One FORD Van we have has 600,000+miles on it. That says alot about Ford.  Smile

aaron

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: B777
Posted 2002-07-14 04:58:08 and read 29243 times.

US still makes the best trucks, my favorite is the Chevy Silverado. But for everything else, I will have to go with European or Japanese.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: STT757
Posted 2002-07-14 06:14:40 and read 29215 times.

I was watching one of those world's wildest police chases and they had footage from Moscow, the Moscow police have Crown Vics!.. Smile

The best Police cars in the world are Crown Vics with the interceptor package, I would buy one if they sold the interceptor package. The closest you can get is the new Mercury Marauder.

I have a 2001 Ford Mustang GT Bullit Edition, and I love it. I used to be a Camaro owner, but the style and look of the current Mustang GTs is what won me over.

Even though this is the last year for the current Camaro, I've heard that the next generation Camaro ('04) will use the Monte Carlo's frame (with rear wheel drive though) and a 300-350 HP Cadillac NorthStar engine.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-14 08:45:14 and read 29207 times.

"Even though this is the last year for the current Camaro, I've heard that the next generation Camaro ('04)"

Camaro like the Firebird is getting cut.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Aerorobnz
Posted 2002-07-14 13:59:01 and read 29194 times.

Camaro like the Firebird is getting cut.

about time that cheap built rubbish got canned IMO.....the engine is reasonable, if not a little unrefined but the build quality......yuck no wonder it doesn't sell out of the US

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-14 17:08:46 and read 29186 times.

"about time that cheap built rubbish got canned IMO.....the engine is reasonable, if not a little unrefined but the build quality......yuck no wonder it doesn't sell out of the US"

Actually it does sell quite well its just that it dosent have a base commonality with other cars. POS......find me a better POS for $25,000.....

Camara and F-Bird are good cars. Superior engines that could smoke anything in the price range and above.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Superfly
Posted 2002-07-14 22:07:55 and read 29162 times.

Get those eyesores (BMWs) out of here!

National_757:
As far as your Dodge comparison, there really is NO comparison.
Your putting the Mustang up against the Viper. The Viper is an excotic sports car, the Mustang isn't. However, there SVT Bullit (or what ever) can come close to the Viper)

Most importantly, Dodge/Chrysler/Plymouth just dosen't last as long as Fords.
I have a 1987 Chrysler LeBaron Convertible and it gives me a world of problems. My Lincoln which is 10 years older is much more reliable than my Chrysler which is newer.

Dodge makes good trucks and I like better than GMs. However, Ford makes there own Diesel engines.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Pgh234
Posted 2002-07-14 22:26:36 and read 29170 times.

Ford makes excellent cars. Lets look at my dad for example. He bought a used early-70's model Ford Maverick and drove it for 15 years (it was 20 years old when he got rid of it) till it dropped dead. Then he bought one of those little jap trucks (a Brat...I forget which manufacture) and a Chevy Camero in the early 80's...both were P.O.S and he got rid of them before 15,000 miles. Then, he went back to Ford. We had a 87' Mercury Couger XR-7 and just got rid of it 2 years ago, it had 180,000 miles, never a major maintence problem. (With the exception of the bumper...we could not keep paint on it? lol) We also had a 1987 Ford Tarus Wagon...the most reliable car ever. We got rid of it in 1995 with 269,000 miles on it! However, we did not get rid of it by choice. We only got rid of it because my dad was involved in a 45mph head on collision and, yeah, of course the car was totaled, however this airbag-less car still saved my dads life and he only had to spend a week in the hospital. Now we have a 1996 Dodge Caravan and a 2000 Dodge Durango R/T. They are fairly reliable (with the exception of the transmission in both cars), but not nearly as much so as the ford's.

pgh234

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: KFRG
Posted 2002-07-14 22:45:21 and read 29148 times.

STT757, I agree with you, the CrownVic is the last true full-size RWD V8 Sedan on the market. Although the Police Interceptor package is not available to the public, there is a nice business out in the Midwest (Kentucky) where Kenny Brown can fix up your CrownVic SportLX with a Blower, Exhaust, and other goodies. I remember seeing one of his creations, called the "Panther", pumps out around 350hp's.
And yes, our auto's are popular with foreign law enforcement, and other agency's. Ive seen Chevy Caprice's in Saudi Arabia, and Chevy AstroVans in Israel. And I remember seeing a pic of an F150 in Hanoi!

-Tommy

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Superfly
Posted 2002-07-14 23:00:18 and read 29191 times.

KFRG:
The new Mercury Maruder has the same powerplant as the Police Interceptor.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-14 23:24:58 and read 29152 times.

However i must say i like the Caprice cop cars more. I dont know why but they were just awsome. Too bad Ford now has a monopoly on the full size interceptors.

NO MORE OF THE BLOODY AWFULL BMW/MB photos before i puke.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Staffan
Posted 2002-07-14 23:26:19 and read 29146 times.

Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World

Maybe, but Porsche makes the best looking ones!!  Big grin



Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Hkgspotter1
Posted 2002-07-15 04:30:08 and read 29142 times.

They dont call them YANK TANKS fotr nothing  Smile/happy/getting dizzy.

Its a shame those old American cars have no style. Give me a Ferrari or Aston Martin any day !!

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Rolex01
Posted 2002-07-15 04:41:45 and read 29125 times.

Well, how can you say that?! Would I be right saying you are gay just because you are from San Francisco, the Gay capital of the Universe? I may be, but, it woudnt be prudent to do that, would it.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Flyingbronco05
Posted 2002-07-15 04:55:34 and read 29122 times.

Did i mention that today i smoked a lightning in my SS?

I eat FORDS for breakfast!

Go to the airport and pay attention to what brand all the airport trucks on the ramp are. 90% of airport vehicles I've seen in my life at several airports have been Fords.

2 things:

Thats like saying 90% of planes are Boeing/Airbus.

90% of airports use ford vehicles probably because Ford couldn't sell them so they lowered the price to stock cost or gave the airlines the trucks.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Planelover
Posted 2002-07-15 05:21:32 and read 29107 times.

I personally know somebody that has over 400,000 miles on their Crown Vic. Those cars are built like a tank! There car has been rear-ended 4 times, totaling the cars that have run into it, and it doesn't hardly have a dent.

I believe the world record mileage on a car was somewhere around 1,500,000. It was on an old Volvo. No joke.

That's all.
Have fun  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
PL

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Flight152
Posted 2002-07-15 05:28:05 and read 29127 times.

Get those eyesores (BMWs) out of here!
I sure hope you didn't consider my Mercedes pictures eyesores  Big grin

I don't know how you guys like those Crown Vics. They have senior citizen written all over them. They are outdated and drive like boats. Yack.

NO MORE OF THE BLOODY AWFULL BMW/MB photos before i puke.
This picture is jusssssst for you Peter. Big grin
2002 CLK320

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-15 05:33:28 and read 29112 times.

"Its a shame those old American cars have no style. Give me a Ferrari or Aston Martin any day !!"

Like Peugots and Citroens and Opels in 70s had any style! BWHAHAHAHAH! Your comparing apples to prunes

Tell me this car has no style!





Nothing but raw Detroit power! Get that damn Wolfsburg dump out of here!

Ever see Fast and the Furious? For the first 75 minutes the rice boys laughed. Then came out the Detroit Powerbomb. Then I laughed as it almost lifted off into hyperspace.

"They dont call them YANK TANKS fotr nothing"

Nothing wrong with being superior. Big grin




Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Fordlover
Posted 2002-07-16 06:23:45 and read 29084 times.

That stands for First On Race Day, thank you very much! Sorry to be absent from this wonderful discussion, I've been vacationing in Colorado, and haven't touched a computer in a week. My arguments are all emotional, so I won't bother (I don't want the abuse from the BMW kids). But suffice it to say, that I've been through a few Fords, and have never retired one without it pushing 200,000 miles, if not more. And by the way, Flyingbronco05, is that the 700hp Camaro SS you're talking about, or have you gotten something else? I'd still like to see some details on the combination in that car. Are you running the twin wazoo system in there, or is it the big-bore zoom bang? Sorry, couldn't resist Big grin

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: KFRG
Posted 2002-07-16 07:16:18 and read 29074 times.

"Its a shame those old American cars have no style. Give me a Ferrari or Aston Martin any day !!"

HKGspotter, it's too bad that both of these companys you mention SUCK!

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: L-188
Posted 2002-07-16 12:01:35 and read 29056 times.

HKGspotter....

Aston Martin...IS A FORD COMPANY!!!

Along with Volvo, Land Rover, and Jaguar.

Just take a look at Fords corporate webpage....http://www.ford.com

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Bruno
Posted 2002-07-16 12:04:14 and read 29060 times.

You tell 'em L-188!

I am very happy with my 1991 Ford F-350 pickup.
That truck can haul 10 bmws. Big grin


Goodnight all!

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: L-188
Posted 2002-07-16 12:14:51 and read 29078 times.

Only ten....must be a shortbed!!!

My dad's old 79 F-250 could haul more.

Too bad my mom got rid of it after the divorce  Crying

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Wn700driver
Posted 2002-07-16 16:32:12 and read 29050 times.

Actually it does sell quite well its just that it dosent have a base commonality with other cars. POS......find me a better POS for $25,000.....

Camara and F-Bird are good cars. Superior engines that could smoke anything in the price range and above.


HA HA HA...A car superior to Camero/firebird for under USD25,000? That would be a 1977 Ford Pinto!
I used to have respect for Z28s, until I started smoking them in my very cheaply modified Honda Accord! Which, btw, has far superior build quality, fuel econ, (even when pulling rediculous --albeit not all-motor-- 1/4 mi times), and a much better interior design. It's also a '91.
Between the cost of aquisition & the cost of making it a 12.5 sec car, I still come in about USD15,000 LESS than your vaunted Camero! HA HA HA! All I can say is that that sound the Z28 makes better be worth the USD10,000 extra you spent, 'cause I've got more than a second on you!

As for cars made by F*cker Only Runs Downhill, hehehehe, I would buy them if there weren't cars available from Germany & Japan. I'm not a truck person, so those & SUVs matter not a whit to me. The cars they make certainly are better put together & more reliable than anything that crap-tank over at GM turns out (Chrysler too), but I think my next car will be an M5. I know my Maxima & Accord will last looooooooooooooong enough for me to actually save up for that!
Also, for those looking at GM, bear in mind that on 8 out of every ten cars that they spew out, the overall saftey rating is "less than poor", acoording to US Gov't standards. With Ford (& of course, most Japanese & German cars), almost the opposite is true

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: AWspicious
Posted 2002-07-16 17:32:26 and read 29050 times.

You people crack me up  Laugh out loud
If it's not religion it's politics; If it's not Boeing vs Airbus it's gay vs straight... Now, it's cars. Hm..... Good thing we all live so far from each other, eh?
Seeing as how I'm already here I will add my two cents: I'm more a fan of imports than domestics. Notably, the products that come out of Germany - Audi. I'm partial to all wheel drive and the Quattros are legendary. In my opinion, no one makes a better AWD car. Emphasis on the word car The Hummer is one interesting domestic. I'm not so sure about MB anymore, though... Now that they've merged with Jesus Chrysler. Seems the QC isn't what it used to be.
The North American car makers seem to try too darn hard to blow your mind with visual stuff. Take Pontiac, for example. My God! What were they thinking when the designed the Aztec?! That vehicle is proof that drugs do have a lasting affect on the brain. Even the first Transport was ugly. I jokingly suspect Pontiacs are built from all the left over bits and pieces of other GM cars. Just look at all that lower body-side cladding on the Gran Prix and Grand Am!
I do believe Ford has the best sounding exhaust note, though.... On the Mustang 5.0 (4.6 now-a-days). And my slogan for Chrysler is "It's not your grand mother's living room anymore" Those who knew the Fifth Avenue know what I mean  Laugh out loud
Anyway, that's my humble opinion. I'm sure many will disagree, but hey... So what  Laugh out loud

Topic: ........
Username: KFRG
Posted 2002-07-16 18:47:19 and read 29034 times.

An Accord with a second over a Z28? Must be a VERY HEAVILY modified Accord!

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Wn700driver
Posted 2002-07-16 19:03:51 and read 29033 times.

Yes it has. & no, not very heavily. I spent less than USD4500 alltogether, and other than a fresh paint job, 16x7.5 alloys, and chromed exhaust outlets, you would never be able to tell my car apart from a bone stock EX-R.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-16 20:23:18 and read 29030 times.

"HA HA HA...A car superior to Camero/firebird for under USD25,000? That would be a 1977 Ford Pinto!
I used to have respect for Z28s, until I started smoking them in my very cheaply modified Honda Accord! Which, btw, has far superior build quality, fuel econ, (even when pulling rediculous --albeit not all-motor-- 1/4 mi times), and a much better interior design. It's also a '91."

LOLOL!

KFRG: Heavy modified? lol you probably had a huge tank of NOS. WN: wonder why no one believes you? If you really beat a Camaro with a 91' Accord than that Camaro either had a broken engine, blown transmission or something lol Big grin

LOL and i dont have a Camaro. I have a 1996 Chevy Impala SS. Running a 5.7L V8 Vette engine.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Superfly
Posted 2002-07-16 20:59:14 and read 29016 times.

Wn700driver:
Please, please, please tell me you were joking!  Insane
Accord?
This thread is about real cars.
There is NO WAY in hell a rice-rocket can stand up against a 5.7 liter powered Camero of Firebird/Trans Am.


AWspicious:
"It's not your grand mother's living room anymore" Those who knew the Fifth Avenue know what I mean

Chryslers wer good at making Granny Goose like cars. It least they had some integerty. I don't understand these new underpowered sporty looking sedans they are giving us.


Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Wn700driver
Posted 2002-07-16 21:07:42 and read 29013 times.

It doesn't stand up to F-bodies...It leaves them in the dust HA HA HA HA!

Seriously though, I'm good for low 12s. Also, it is NOT a rice rocket. Those are something completely other (I already mentioned this previously). I have no "whale tail", no fart can, don't like 'tezza --so guess what? I don't have them! I'm not painted bright yellow, & you can't hear me three miles away. And I'm not lowered (like so many Cameros I've seen)
My car is 100% sleeper. Also, as I mentioned above, I have seen F bodies that were "riced" out as well, so you are not immune there.


But yeah, if you have a Z28 & a need for shame, I'll meet up with ya sometime. HA HA HA HA!

Also, the last time I took my STOCK Maxi (SE 6sp) to the track, I came out ahead of the Z next to me by about three car lengths. He may have been a bad driver, or using an automatic, but still, a win is a win.

Cheers

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Superfly
Posted 2002-07-16 21:26:37 and read 29016 times.

Wn700driver:
I don't have a Camero. I am more a luxury car guy.  Smile
If I wanted a sports car, I'd get a 1969 Mercury Cougar Convertible, Buick GS or AMC Javelin.

I test drove a new Pontiac Firebird/Trans Am and that car just has sooooo much low-end torque and the power just continued up and up and up.
My old roomate had the same car as you and I can't imagine it coming close to the GM F body.
What kind of modification did you use without having to replace the engine?

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Banco
Posted 2002-07-16 21:26:58 and read 29006 times.

Ford in Europe have always produced popular cars, and indeed they are by far the best of the North American manufacturers. The problem is that Ford in Europe and Ford in the US are almost two separate companies, with of course, common ownership.

The Focus was without doubt an inspired piece of kit, and is only now being surpassed by other manufacturers (Honda Civic, Peugeot 307) some five years after it was unveiled. It is a terrible pity that the design studio that created this and many other fine models (Ghia) is now effectively being closed down. Even so, Ford are a car company. GM are a kind of bank that happen to be forced into making cars. It shows. Ford have always produced driver's cars, GM never have, taking the lowest common denominator.

As for the whole US/Europe thing, that is a case of never the twain shall meet. American (genuinely American - as opposed to "world" cars like the Focus or Mondeo) cars are a bit of a disaster over here. The Chrysler Neon is the first serious attempt at entering the European mainstream in many years, and it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Yes, it is well equipped, but the handling is lousy, the suspension crashes, the engine is about five years behind the competition in terms of refinement and the interior is equally dated. It is cheap though. Mind you, aren't Chrysler now German?  Big grin

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: KFRG
Posted 2002-07-16 21:40:12 and read 29007 times.

Bacno,
Please, don't use a POS like the Dodge Neon as an example of an average American car. The Neon is also regarded as how you just explained it over here too.
In regards to the Focus, I am really attracted towards the new SVT Focus, it looks like a real rice-killer.

-Tommy

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Superfly
Posted 2002-07-16 21:41:16 and read 28995 times.

Banco:
Ford are a car company. GM are a kind of bank that happen to be forced into making cars. It shows. Ford have always produced driver's cars, GM never have, taking the lowest common denominator.

You are correct!

GM is so huge yet they concentrate on small cars, SUVs or mini-vans. Once every 8 or 9 years, GM will make an outstanding vehicle and then kill it in favor of making some other junk.
The fact that GM stopped making there B body cars (Caprice, Impala SS, Fleetwood & Roadmaster) and converted the plant that made these in Arlington, TX to make more SUVs was a crime.
The large GMs were better than the Fords during that time.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Wn700driver
Posted 2002-07-16 21:44:37 and read 29005 times.

Banco, you make excellent points.

I had a Mondeo once (waaay back when I was still an EI732driver, lol), and the Ford at home versus the Ford here (America) are truly 2 different cats. It's a bleeding shame it is, b/c Ford being American owned, you'd think that they'd give the "good stuff" to those who made them big & almighty in the 1st place. Just so...

As for GM, I harbor a belief that they rubermaid are in their employ (for making those cheapy plastic interiors). You know only Oldsmobile (the division they sacked last year no less), had real leather in their "leather" seats? Even then, they were just inserts. The rest is all vinyl or perspex or something, not leather.

Also, did I see someone comparing a 1996 Impala SS (I assume that's the one you meant --it is far superior to the current iteration), to a BMW M5? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! And they say america has a problem with education!

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Wn700driver
Posted 2002-07-16 21:49:25 and read 28987 times.

KFRG, it would be nice to see the Focus be a rice killer, but that will not happen until they can make SVT Focus much more about substance than just styling cues. As of now, it still pulls high 15s & 0-100kph at almost 8 secs.
I think however that there is A LOT of potential there. At ford in general too (looking at 2003 mustang cobra --if it only it could handle worth a damn!)
Also, the SVT Contour (Modeo in sedan form to the rest of us) was really qute something, but I can't remember the #s off thet of of my head!

Cheers

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Superfly
Posted 2002-07-16 21:55:07 and read 28999 times.

Wn700driver:
No I was comparing the GM B body (Impala SS, etc..) to the Ford Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis and Town Car.

The M5 is in a class by it's self.
I am sure Greg will tell you all about his. Big grin

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Banco
Posted 2002-07-16 21:55:09 and read 28990 times.

Wn700Driver, Ford have now let the boys at Cosworth get their mitts on the Focus and a 220hp version has been due to hit the stands for some time now, but keeps being postponed. There are rumours of vicious (and apparently incurable) torque steer preventing a commercial release at this time along with a high prospective price, make your own mind up on this one. For now, though the Honda Civic Type R remains the car to beat in that category.

Also, on the subject of GM interiors, the Vauxhall/Opel Astra is a pretty good car, but the switchgear really lets it down. It looks so cheap and nasty. Why oh why did they let such a basic thing get past them for the same of a few pennies?

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Wn700driver
Posted 2002-07-16 22:23:22 and read 28986 times.

Banco - Vauxhall & Opel aren't that bad, but just sit in Pontiac Grand Prix next time you are stateside, then you'll think nothing of a few switches being cheap, lol

Superfly - my car has only the following "mods"
2.2L H22a aftermarket motor
6m transmission (Reeeeeeeeal close ratio gearing)
Twin sequential turbos
Inetrcooler
Header replaced
Racing Cams
Restriction-free exhaust (only abut 5% louder than stock)
16x7.5 wheels w/med. profile tyres
NKL spark plugs
14.5cm open cone filter w intake to match

I have other mods as well, but only these pretain to outright speed. The rest are for handling or appearence only

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Wn700driver
Posted 2002-07-16 22:31:35 and read 28981 times.

I forget who asked, but here you go! the 2004 5 series (which I am sure the M5 will very closely resmeble, as it always does!)

http://www.edmunds.com/future/2004/bmw/5series/4drsedan/preview.html

Judge & enjoy!

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-17 05:27:21 and read 28977 times.

Wn: Somehow still no one believes your theory on the Camara 91' Unmodified Accord lol. Big grin

Something like comparing whats faster a BAe ATP or the Concorde.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Wn700driver
Posted 2002-07-17 21:09:25 and read 28950 times.

Wn: Somehow still no one believes your theory on the Camara 91' Unmodified Accord lol.

Hey stupid,

I hate to burst yer bubble, but it is not unmodified, scroll up, Poindexter. Secondly, you're the only one said anything about believing it (um, I smell denial anyways). But hey, don't take it from me. Go rent yourself a nice, broken into, but relatively new (like 2500km), Z28, bring it on down here. I promise I won't tell a soul that I skunked you by five car lengths. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Also a stock Cobra could smoke your beloved Z as well. HA HA HA!

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Superfly
Posted 2002-07-17 22:54:15 and read 28955 times.

Wn700driver:
Before we start tearing each other apart, I am still wondering how this is possible.
There is certain laws of physics here that we must take in to consideration.
There is NO replacement for displacement!
Every car manufacture figured this out by the early 1990s. I must ask you Wn700driver, are you sure this was a Z28 you were racing? I can understand beating a stock 3.8 liter V6 Camero but not the 5.7 liter V8.
How much low-end tourqe are you getting out of this Honda?
Smaller engines and turbos have to rev much higher to get the same speed a V8 can.
Do you have over-heating problems?
I also have a 1987 Chrysler LeBaron Convertible that has a 2.2L turbo 4 banger. It runs like $h!t! It has NO low-end, it's loud, gets poor gas milage for a 4 banger and runs hot. This has been a problem with many turbocharged engines and that's why fewer car manufactures use turbo nowdays. In the 1980s just about every car manufacture had a turbo in there fleet. I also have like 160,000 miles on this Chrysler but it still should run better.

Many idiots will buy a base model Camero or Mustang and get all the racing stripes and sometimes put the V8 emblem on there car and under the hood is still a V6. Are you sure this guy had a V8 under the hood?

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: IMissPiedmont
Posted 2002-07-18 05:18:38 and read 28936 times.

I've seen 9 second VW Beetles several times. With VW engines. I just have a hard time imagining a low 12 second Accord. I had A 1976 Chevy Monza that I put a 1968 327 in. I had a Sig Erson TQ20 cam, Carter 9625 carb, an Edelbrock intake, Hooker headers, and 1.75 inch exhaust. Fairly mild by street standards but it still would run a 12.26 with a 3.83 rear gear through the 350 tranny. I used to beat a 1967 Nova in the 1/4 that had a 427. When I switched to the 2.29 rear end, I could cruise at 125 with no problem. Top speed per the computer was 202 with that set up. I never tried that though.

Anyway, my point is that I doubt that any street legal Accord could get below 14.5 in the 1/4. Sorry Wn700driver, I have my doubts.

Topic: Chrysler Is Better (or Atleast It Wasin The 80's)
Username: 747-451
Posted 2002-07-18 07:23:19 and read 28938 times.

Ford is okay, but I am sick of the weekly recalls (LOL).

My Dad had a 1984 Dodge 600SE sedan and got 178,000 miles out of it with it's original drivetrain in place (original engine and transmission). The only repairs it needed were the timing belt at 110,000, a water pump and an alternator. (Shocks, struts, brakes, and other routine stuff aside). It took a rollover accident to kill it. It was the best car we ever had. Even the A/C worked. It was simple front drive fuel injected car without alot of amenities, but it always ran, no questiuons. It came with a 7/70 warranty then and we never needed to use it. Lee Iacocca wasn't kidding....


747-451 (ambivelent Ford owner)

PS it should be ChryslerDamiler...

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Superfly
Posted 2002-07-18 08:01:28 and read 28925 times.

747-451:
That has to be the only K-car success story I've heard.
Did your Dodge 600SE have the 2.2L turbo engine?
Mines does and it gives me tons of problems!
I bought it at 98,000 miles and it ran good for a year. Then at about 110,000 miles, it started breaking down on a monthly basis. It now has about 150,000 the odometer broke at 141,000 and I've replaced the heads, transmission, frame (it broke apart when I turned a corner too fast) alternator, radiator (twice), ignition coil, pick-up, water pump (twice), trip computer, digital display (twice), bushings, shocks, springs, convertible top motor (still need to replace pumps), concelled headlight door motor and fuel injectors.

Now the car just runs loud and gets terrible gas milage (12-15 MPG). Also the car has no pick-up at all.

Here is my beautiful un-reliable Chrysler.

Thanks Lee Iacocca you f::ker  Pissed

Read my review on it at motorcities.com

http://media7.motorcities.com/02BIG504089409A.jpeg

Topic: Superfly
Username: 747-451
Posted 2002-07-18 08:22:00 and read 28924 times.

The 600 is not a "K" but an EEK ( exteneded K.) We bought ours new from a dealer in Atlanta. It ran like a top from the minute we bought it. It had a 2.2 Fuel Injected Turbo as yours did (it was a $687 option at the time). We had none of those problems you stated. Our only complaint is the body "loosened up" after 11 years. (my Dad commuted about 60 miles a day and it was split highway/city) As a matter of fact, when it was wrecked in the roll over, the engine still ran. We replaced it with a 1987 New Yorker Turbo (loaded with the digitaldash , voice, computer etc.) we picked up in Pennsylvania (it only had 45000 miles when we bought it in 97 to repace the 600; we were looking for something alot newer, but this we couldn't pass up). We have 80k on that now and no issues. (note, the 600 was a four door as is the NYer.)

A word of advice, never buy a used car with over 50000 miles on it, unless you plan to resotre it (eg 69' Tbird with suicide doors or a '70 HemiCuda )

Happy Motoring!


Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Superfly
Posted 2002-07-18 08:42:54 and read 28916 times.

OK it's a K-car derivative, my mistake. Embarrassment

It was $2000. and the guy was initally asking $3,500.
At the time (1998) that cars blue book value was about $4000. in mint condition. This car was and still is in mint condition. It still has the original clearcoat, no rust and the chrome still shines. The interior is in A+ shape and has no cracks in the dash.
I am not sure if I want to waste money on a new engine & transmission yet.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: VonRichtofen
Posted 2002-07-18 12:45:50 and read 28906 times.

"For now, though the Honda Civic Type R remains the car to beat in that category."

Actually, the SVT focus in North America out performs the Civic type R in almost all categories especially handling. In a race track test the SVT focus crossed the finish line 4 seconds ahead of the civic. A closer match to the SVT focus would be the VW Golf GTI.

Superfly: My bro had a 1985 Dodge Charger with the 2.2L Turbo engine. He had the opposite problem you have: Engine was very reliable but the interior ended up like shit. I guess it couldn't handle Canadian winter temperatures because there were cracks all over the place. Maybe chrysler interiors like the heat, and the engines like the cold  Big grin


Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: TechRep
Posted 2002-07-18 14:31:39 and read 28932 times.

When the Viper first came out they pitted the Dodge Viper against the Shelby AC427 Cobra in a contest that was 0-100 and back to 0. Now the AC Cobra still held the record until 1991 at this point, no production car ever matched it. The AC Cobra did it in 14.9 seconds and the Viper in 14.6 seconds if I remember correctly. However, the Viper had Anti-Lock brakes!!

In my opinion on of the most timeless muscle beast cars EVER built!!

TechRep

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Jgo
Posted 2002-07-18 15:13:40 and read 28894 times.

give me a holden over any car. anyway, you could consider the three biggest teams in formula 1 - ferrari, bmw and mercedes.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Wn700driver
Posted 2002-07-18 16:05:54 and read 28887 times.

I must ask you Wn700driver, are you sure this was a Z28 you were racing? I can understand beating a stock 3.8 liter V6 Camero but not the 5.7 liter V8.
How much low-end tourqe are you getting out of this Honda?
Smaller engines and turbos have to rev much higher to get the same speed a V8 can.
Do you have over-heating problems?


I'll try to answer in some sort of order...

Yes, 100% sure (unless they were 3.8 Cameros & just had Z28 badging and one hell of a speaker mounted in the exhaust somewhere, lol). The best I've done against a high end f-body was to walk a WS6 (Pontiac to those who've not been in the states) by about 2.5-3 car-lenghts (I ran a 12.955 & she did a 13.112). Obviously from that 1/4mi time, you can tell that the SLP I was up against had been worked on as well (they are good for 13.5-13.7 bone stock). Also, I later found that I was running w/ a busted t-stat and t-boost lowered to 11psi. That's right, I said lowered to 11psi, lol.

I honestly don't know. I dyno'd at around 310hp, at the axles (I also weigh in considerably less than the 3200lb, 325hp --thats 325 at the crank-- WS6 & I am about 2650 now--). I would guess that I torque at about 300f/lb, but don't hold me to that. I know that comes in right around 5500 rpm, (I shift at 56-5800 at the track).

Not neccessarily true anymore. I know it is considerably dated technology, but the relatively new concept of dual sequential turboing basically means that I have a smaller turbo (revs up faster), to handle lower rpms (1500-2800), and a larger one to handle 2800-redline. The result is power on tap, whatever gear I'm in, at whatever RPM I'm at. I will keep up with a WS6 or Chev SS off the line, & eventually pull ahead as they run out of breath at higher rpms. It used to be that turbos suffered massivly from lag, but twin sequential has efectively ended this. I get that same "catapult" feeling that a large displacement V8 will give you, only I can dial back the boost & get decent fuel econ in normal driving conditions Big grin

Sure as hell I would massive problems there. But I don't. The reason being is that I have a somewhat heavy-duty water-pump, open-cone air-cone/induction (all the way to the turbos), and most importantly (& most cheaply, HA!), a 160f t-stat. The draw-back to this is that my car is a cast iron bitch if you want heat on those cooooooooold winter mornings, (And I need to idle for at least a min or two then to warm up my synthetic anyways). So, ok yeah, there is one instance where a larger block would be better, but I'm still to in-love with my fuel econ to convert. And between the car & all these silly modifications, I really did spend at least USD15,000 less than a new bone stock Z28 would cost. That figure includes all of my non-performance add-ons & my paint-job as well.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Banco
Posted 2002-07-18 19:34:20 and read 28878 times.

Von Richtofen: You may be right, but the version of the Civic Type R varies from country to country. I don't know what one you have over there, but the Honda Civic (built in the UK) and the Civic Coupe (built in the US) are, rather bizarrely, completely different cars.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-18 20:14:19 and read 28867 times.

{"Secondly, you're the only one said anything about believing it (um, I smell denial anyways)."

Yea, and Superfly is a ghost?

"There is certain laws of physics here that we must take in to consideration.
There is NO replacement for displacement!
Every car manufacture figured this out by the early 1990s. I must ask you Wn700driver, are you sure this was a Z28 you were racing? I can understand beating a stock 3.8 liter V6 Camero but not the 5.7 liter V8.
How much low-end tourqe are you getting out of this Honda?"

You sure that wasent a Cavalier with a Z28 sticker? Ive seen those before....

Maybe your Honda gets a bit better acceleration due to the low end Superfly is talking about. But then you would be over and done with if it was a longer run.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Wn700driver
Posted 2002-07-18 21:06:44 and read 28864 times.

There is NO replacement for displacement!

what a shame that some people will go to their graves believing such nonsense.

LOT, meet Twin Sequential Turbo, TWT, meet LOT. Obviously you two have not met. TWT, try not to embarass LOT. He can't help it if he's never been in a modern fuel-injected car before.

Also, scroll up there, diplacement monster. Cavs can't pull low 13. Unless they swap out w/ honda's F-224a w/TWT, HA HA HA HA HA HA!

PS, in all seriousness Peter, what do you drive? You know, since we know so much about my car...

Topic: Superfly/LeBaron
Username: 747-451
Posted 2002-07-19 07:13:05 and read 28871 times.

The car is beautiful, and I would sink $$ into it. After all, the Lebaron was the last of the K-vertible derivatives. Wehave been lucky, but after a breif survey of a few neighbors here with various pentastar products, their experiences reflect my own. (Spirit, Caravan(4 cyl), a "Chrysler" Dynasty from NovaScotia, 2 Shadows and a Sebring). The ony issues seem to be paint, but that is crap on all cars lately (unless garaged like ours are). (PS, I come from a "Chrysler" family including a 1971 Imperial, a 1970 Hemi Cuda (now in storage), and a Volare among the cars my Mom and Dad have had).

There is NO replacement for displacement and that is for sure; the Hemi Cuda will even out run an A340 (LOL LOL)


747-451

PS- I agree with you, I prefer luxury cars, after all it is not how fast you get there as long as you get there in style...

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Wn700driver
Posted 2002-07-19 18:00:41 and read 28833 times.

did this thread get deleted...won't show up in nonav all of a sudden...

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Rapo
Posted 2002-07-19 18:48:48 and read 28815 times.

Though, I am a log time fan of Fords, I have to burst your collective bubbles when it comes to the Crown Vic "Interceptor Package". I don't have the article handy, but a major carmag tested on of these. Results: they are SSSLLLOOOWWW. 0-60 in 8+ seconds if I remember correctly. My old Sentra SE-R (bone stock) could've could've easily shown its heiney to that sled. The testing crew were almost laughing at the lack of acceleration. The reason these cars are so popular with departments is a distaste for anything FWD & the nice package deal Ford offers to departments. Oh, the Caprice cop cars were greased lightnening in comparison. As a matter of fact, the latest FWD Impalas & Chrysler copcars that some departments are buying will also smoke the ole Vic.

BUT, I do like the new Marauder though many more ponies are required for it to be cosidered a true enthusiast's car. 0-60 in 7.5 seconds!? C'mon!!

Topic: WN700Driver
Username: WSRegal
Posted 2002-07-20 01:01:16 and read 28815 times.

Bullshit, I will bring my 01 Camaro SS down their & put 5 lengths on your RICE BURNER.

-WSRegal

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Lubcha132
Posted 2002-07-20 01:51:22 and read 28805 times.

yea, i love cords!


oh wait. Big grin

J. Lu

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-20 02:11:07 and read 28791 times.

Wn700:

USDM H22a1/H22a4 JDM H22a
Prelude Accord
Stat 93-96 Vtec 97-98 Base 99-01 Base 97-98 Type SH 99+ Type SH 92-95 Vtec
97+ SiR 97+ SiR S Spec 97+ Type S 94-97 SiR Euro R

Horsepower: HP@ RPM 190 @ 6,800 Manual: 195 @ 7,000

Auto: 190 @ 6,600
Manual: 200 @ 7,000

USDM H22a1/H22a4 JDM H22a
Prelude Accord
Stat 93-96 Vtec 97-98 Base 99-01 Base 97-98 Type SH 99+ Type SH 92-95 Vtec
97+ SiR 97+ SiR S Spec 97+ Type S 94-97 SiR Euro R

Horsepower: HP@ RPM 190 @ 6,800 Manual: 195 @ 7,000

Auto: 190 @ 6,600
Manual: 200 @ 7,000

Auto: 195 @ 6,600
195 @ 7,000
200 @ 7,000 197 @ 6,800 197 @ 6,800 217 @ 7,200 217 @ 7,200 187 @ 6,800 217 @ 7,200
Torque: Lbs/Ft@ RPM
158 @ 5,500 156 @ 5,250 156 @ 5,250 156 @ 5,250 156 @ 5,250 161 @ 5,500 161 @ 5,500 163 @ 6,500
163 @ 6,500 151 @ 5,500 163 @ 6,700


Ok even the highest H22A ever made outputs 163lb@7200rpm!!!!!!! Thats a Euro make also. Ok so explain please with hard facts how hypothetically getting 163lb@7200rpm vs. the 322lb@4000rpm from the Camaro and getting 2 times less horsepower you can easily beat it?

Chevrolet Camaro Z28 16-Valve V8 5.7 310@5200 rpm 340@4000 rpm 6-spd. Manual Torque: 322 ft-lbs. at 4000 rpm

Then you have a V8 5.7L creating 310hp at@5200 rpm. More power at lower end. 340hp@4000 for a 6 speed manual.

Ok the Z28 outputs 322lbs of torque at@4000rpm. thats 2 times as much as you create in that H22A 91' Accord at the same RPM..

Second of all the H22A 2.2L is a later engine. So you must have changed it pretty recently right?

http://www.accordwagonclub.com/comparison.htm
http://www.nrg-racing.com/tech_engine_specs.htm


What the hell you smoking with the TST?

http://www.twistedperformance.com/engines1.html

Honda has no TST as you call it lol on their H22As. Even after mods, just try and find one. Funny isnt it? I only see Nissan, Toyota, Mazda and Subaru having them. And you say that you have a 6 Manual Transmission? LOL so what so does the Camaro......

BTW: I havent found anything on the internet about a H22A TST.

Now your saying you didnt make any heavy modifications?
Prove me wrong with some hard facts.


WSRegal: I like your attitude towards ricers I suggest visiting http://www.anti-rice.com

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: VonRichtofen
Posted 2002-07-20 12:43:12 and read 28786 times.

You guys would love this site: http://www.ricecop.com

They have rice tickets you can print up serve to ricers you see in parking lots ROTLMAO

http://www.ricecop.com/images/riceticket2.jpg

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-20 16:38:38 and read 28773 times.

Wn700

Im still waiting for your proven facts about the TST H22A.

Ill check in after i return from ORD Big grin

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-21 01:16:47 and read 28762 times.

Already back......

Wn700: When you going to post again dang it.....I just cant wait what you have to say.

*coughs* another fake ricer exterminated

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: USAir_757
Posted 2002-07-21 21:57:51 and read 28760 times.

Non-supercharged camaros ARE NOT fast! They are slow 14-15 second dog cars. I watched at the dragway as a souped up Volvo 850 T-5R beat the daylights out of several 305 and even a couple 350 camaros.

STOCK Volvo 740T/760T's are 15 second cars! These are 4-cyl turbo with only 7 PSI...and 162 HP. Pretty sad that these can keep right up with 305 Camaros.

With few mods like 3" high flow exhaust, 1.1 bar (17 PSI) boost, and a full K&N performance intake, these 700 series Volvos can keep right up with 350 camaros. SS camaros are fast only because they are supercharged.

If Chrysler would get their transmission problems sorted out, I'd take some of their cars. I'm a tall person and I like the Intrepid for its size.

I HATE RICE ROCKETS!!!!!! Most of them are 16-17 second dog cars that sound like they're farting. Watch me soup up my Volvo to the 14-second threshhold(and it CAN be done - see this site http://www.turbobricks.com.) and TRASH THE HELL out of those damn cars.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-22 00:56:43 and read 28741 times.

"Non-supercharged camaros ARE NOT fast! They are slow 14-15 second dog cars. I watched at the dragway as a souped up Volvo 850 T-5R beat the daylights out of several 305 and even a couple 350 camaros.

STOCK Volvo 740T/760T's are 15 second cars! These are 4-cyl turbo with only 7 PSI...and 162 HP. Pretty sad that these can keep right up with 305 Camaros. "

They probably have bigger lower end torque, but thats about it.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: USAir_757
Posted 2002-07-22 01:45:05 and read 28720 times.

The 700 series with the little Mitsubishi 13c turbos have a lack of power at high RPM (5300+), however those with retrofitted 15c turbos from 850T's and/or Talons can hold the power up to 5800 and really blow some serious doors off high performance cars when blowing 1.0+ bar boost. I know someone who has a '90 744T with nothing more than 1.0 bar boost, K&N cone filter, and 3" exhaust, and he runs 14.56@96, with an automatic no less.

Don't get me started about John Lane's 262T. That is some serious crap. He runs 13.5@105 with wheelspin all the way to the trap, with slicks he would no doubt be in the 11s. He has the V6 twin turbo'd along with other stuff and of course every last damn thing in the engine is forged. He has 400+ HP.

One guy at the dragway with a 740 ran a 14.6@99. This, however, was spinning all the way through first and second gear. He predicted he would've been around 13.25@105 on slicks, and based on his trap speed, I can agree. Mods were 15c turbo, electric fan, removed A/C, straight pipe (no catalytic converter), full 3" exhaust, K&N air filter in the stock air box and 21psi boost.

Think Volvos are slow? Think again.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: L-188
Posted 2002-07-22 07:46:23 and read 28713 times.

You would be amazed at how many transmission problems can be cleared up by simply changing the fluid and filter in it, Superfly.

You still should be getting better milage out of that thing.

Have you had the timing checked?

My truck was had starting, and running really rough, with terrible milage. It turned out that the motor was running 12 degrees behind time.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Early Air
Posted 2002-07-22 08:04:08 and read 28710 times.

I`ve owned 2 fords, both explorers, both great cars. However I am not adding a 540i to the collection. A Ford and a BMW, both in the same garage. They are both great cars, both for different purposes.

Early Air

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Wn700driver
Posted 2002-07-22 17:03:52 and read 28702 times.

Lot, come back when you are old enough to drive. The fact that you don't have a clue that what I drive is obviously not stock says everything that anyone would need to know about the massive short-commings in what little automotive knowledge you may have.
What I have is colloquially termed a Hybrid. I'm posting for the benefit of those who really know a thing or two about cars, & aren't just ignorant trolls who don't actually drive yet. And yes that is a cheap shot at Lot (I'm apoet who don't know it, lol), but only b/c he says increadbly stupid things like

"Maybe your Honda gets a bit better acceleration due to the low end Superfly is talking about. But then you would be over and done with if it was a longer run. ", proving he's never been in or near a turbo'ed vehicle before.


Hybrid = body & susp. (even with presnt mods), combined with an aftermarket motor. As I said, I don't expect teenagers (epecially ones who don't even know that Subaru does NOT in fact make a turbo'ed motor --they import them from Porche-- don't you feel smart now, lot). Anyways, it is quite common knowledge that anything 2.0 + up (only as long as it is not based on ancient pushrod technology --if you can call that crap technology, that is--). Point is, I dyno (pronounced Di-no, for LOT) at 310 & change for hp, but this at the wheels, not the shaft. F-bodies (SLP moded) are good for 250-275 at the wheels, 325 at the shaft, and are also heavier then my auto by quite a sum. As for low end, I've yet to worse than 1.9& change for my 20m (60ft) times. Z28 & of course base Cameros can't touch that. Even an SS or WS6 will have its front end somehwere in my boot at that point.

Ok even the highest H22A ever made outputs 163lb@7200rpm!!!!!!! Thats a Euro make also. Ok so explain please with hard facts how hypothetically getting 163lb@7200rpm vs. the 322lb@4000rpm from the Camaro and getting 2 times less horsepower you can easily beat it?
Whomever told you that probably told you that the lotto is good source of income too. I see a LOT, lol, of pyramid schemes in your future. No H22a comes close to 163lb stock. But that's ok. Because as I've said numerous time, more by implication, that is NOT the motor I have. What I have was good for 130h/145lb stock. Also I had TWO camshafts, this is why it's called DOCH instead of SOCH (Oh yeah, you don't know anything about this as you still think pushrods are cool, please pardon, lmao), and at Honda, this puts a motor in the "F" (As in, Not H) series. When you add so much as an intercooler, it also becomes a hybrid, which is where, I can safely assume, your knowledge ends. See, when you add stuff to your motor, you can get more power from it. Familiarize yourself with this, & stop being an ignorant sod. Also, don't try to talk to me or anyone who actually works on complicated machinery until you are not a teenager, & have a car (As in, "what's that in your driveway? oh yeah, hehe, it's nothing!")




I will bring my 01 Camaro SS down their & put 5 lengths on your RICE BURNER.

-WSRegal


5 legnths of what, negative space? HA HA HA HA HA!!! Make it interesting & sure, I can fit a time in somewhere to satiate my ego some more. And just so you know, it would be more aptly termed a "Camero" burner, seeing as how I don't race (And thence burn, HA HA HA HA HA), RICE, as you so eloquently put it.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Wn700driver
Posted 2002-07-22 19:58:36 and read 28688 times.

USAir,

just to let you know, I've seen Volvos running as quick as mid-low13s before (it was a 740 body). I don't know what mods, but I'm guessing intercooled & a lot of boost, maybe even a swap for that 7 cyl motor of theirs. The wheel spinning I couldn't tell you about (as I was right behind him in the cue), but the exhaust even looked stock. Anyways, I for one have never mistaken them for slow.

Cheers

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-22 20:45:20 and read 28684 times.

"Hybrid = body & susp. (even with presnt mods), combined with an aftermarket motor. As I said, I don't expect teenagers (epecially ones who don't even know that Subaru does NOT in fact make a turbo'ed motor"

LOL I said they put them in their cars, I never said they make them.

Hooked on Phonics for you!

"Even an SS or WS6 will have its front end somehwere in my boot at that point."

You in la la land again?

"No H22a comes close to 163lb stock."

I just gave you all the info from those sites....oh wait you CANT read.

". Also, don't try to talk to me or anyone who actually works on complicated machinery until you are not a teenager, & have a car (As in, "what's that in your driveway? oh yeah, hehe, it's nothing!")"

You sound so mature.....Can you just see me snickering at your stupidity....

Dont you see how stupid you look.....

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Wn700driver
Posted 2002-07-22 20:49:11 and read 28673 times.

So, peter what you're saying is that since you don't actually know what your talking about (Mr turbo=all low end, no long term accl, lmao), you just want a flame war. Ok, just making sure that you are in fact, a troll.

Like I said before, don't talk to me until you are not a teenager & you actually drive.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: KFRG
Posted 2002-07-22 21:52:07 and read 28667 times.

Wn700driver, grow up!

"KFRG, it would be nice to see the Focus be a rice killer, but that will not happen until they can make SVT Focus much more about substance than just styling cues. As of now, it still pulls high 15s & 0-100kph at almost 8 secs.
I think however that there is A LOT of potential there. At ford in general too (looking at 2003 mustang cobra --if it only it could handle worth a damn!)
Also, the SVT Contour (Modeo in sedan form to the rest of us) was really qute something, but I can't remember the #s off thet of of my head!"


The SVTFocus is a rice killer. As mentioned earlier, I have seen the MT feature on it, and the VWGTi and the Civic. It is one of the best hatches out there. As for the SVTContour, I never took that car seriously, and production numbers show it.
Like the SVTContour, the Mondeo has a model known as the ST220 (EU version of the SVTFocus is the ST170). Has a 3.0 V6 rated at 220hp's, which is pretty impressive, with a 0-60mph in 6.8secs.
Regarding the Mustang's handling, believe me, it's fine! I have peronally driven a 2002 GT.
And for whoever called the CrownVic's Police Interceptor package "slow", I invite you to drive one yourself and make up your mind, I have not found it to be the way you explain it.

-Tommy

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Wn700driver
Posted 2002-07-22 22:06:34 and read 28656 times.

I will not say a mustang handles badly, but I would also not put it on a par with a base Focus either. As for SVT Focus, this has been discussed already, sorry. Every reliable source I've read on, and also from what I've seen firsthand dictates that the ST220 is superior to SVT Focus. Also, when people say something is a rice burner, they better not men stock.

Beating out a stock Ciciv (any trim level) is like kicking your grandmother's ass. Sure you could probably do it, but how badly do you really want to have to brag about that in public? Now race a car that's been tweaked, that's a different conversation...

Cheers

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-23 04:28:14 and read 28652 times.

Lol dont you see how no one believes you?

Funny how you assume things that I dont know......shows how mature you are.

"Superfly - my car has only the following "mods"
2.2L H22a aftermarket motor
6m transmission (Reeeeeeeeal close ratio gearing)"

"No H22a comes close to 163lb stock. But that's ok. Because as I've said numerous time, more by implication, that is NOT the motor I have."

Ok am I missing something?

First you say you have a H22A then you say you dont lol......

How you like to twist things

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: USAir_757
Posted 2002-07-23 05:04:44 and read 28641 times.

Wn700driver: What 7-cyl? I have never heard of any 7-cyl engine from any manufacturer. Are you thinking of the 5-cyl turbo motor? I really doubt it's that. Most guys who do convert to a bigger engine go ford 5.0HO conversion and supercharge.

LOT is toooooooooooooo biased to American cars. I can get a Volvo 740Ti in near-mint condition with low milage for around $7000, then I can spend $2000 on mods to get it to be a 13-second car. I would then have a high performance car and I did it for $9000. Try getting American high performance for THAT price. ha. Corvettes and Vipers are the only true modern American high performance cars. Both have a sticker price that reaches for the stars. You COULD get an old american car, but what about restoration? Expect to spend at least $15,000 for the car and restoring it - and expect to pay $15,000 for it if it's already in good condition - cars only devalue to a point before they begin picking that value back up. I saw an old '69 RS/SS Camero on Ebay recently. Original condition, 44,000 miles, never restored. Buy it now price was $44,000. Bid started at $40,000, reserve not met...

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: AWspicious
Posted 2002-07-23 05:12:10 and read 28639 times.

Is this thread still going?!! Holy smokes! You folks sure are emotional about your cars.... More so than about your airplanes, it seems  Laugh out loud
Here's some fuel to the fire: FoundOnRoadDead  Laugh out loud

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: USAir_757
Posted 2002-07-23 05:52:19 and read 28637 times.

Oh, and that Maruder...it lookes like a RICED OUT CROWN VIC! Maybe the old guys who wear ball caps and those cool sunglasses will be driving them...HAHAHAHAHAH

As for anyone who thinks American cars can't be beat...you get the big ol

Topic: WN700Driver
Username: WSRegal
Posted 2002-07-23 06:28:58 and read 28628 times.

Bring your RICE BURNER, or Lawnmower, Or Weed Eater on & you'll be seeing my taillights & my "Fuelslut Racing" decals.

-WSRegal

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: KFRG
Posted 2002-07-23 06:40:57 and read 28643 times.

"will not say a mustang handles badly, but I would also not put it on a par with a base Focus either. As for SVT Focus, this has been discussed already, sorry. Every reliable source I've read on, and also from what I've seen firsthand dictates that the ST220 is superior to SVT Focus. Also, when people say something is a rice burner, they better not men stock."

Well, seeing that both are pretty much the same car, it all levels down to the tuning company. I have high respect for SVT, and their products. Are the ST series ford turned themselves? I would like to see some facts regarding your claims too. And I hope you did mean ST170, not 220.
About the "Rice Burner" definition, there are several definitions in people's eyes, but only one or two are correct. Unfortunately, too many cars today fall under that category.

-Tommy

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Superfly
Posted 2002-07-23 09:40:24 and read 28634 times.

Hey lets turn this in to an Airbus vs. Boeing thread. Big grin

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Captaingomes
Posted 2002-07-23 16:40:39 and read 28636 times.

Superfly, I'd like to ask a question (anybody is free to answer). You said earlier that if the imports made such great cars, then the Americans would be out of business (or something to that effect. I'm too lazy to get the exact wording right now). What I want to know is, if Ford (or Chevy according to another thread) make the best cars in the world and imports suck and American cars are the best, then why can't the Americans successfully market a car overseas and also, why are the Americans losing market share like crazy to the imports? Oh, and forget the Focus and other cars designed primarily in Europe, we're talking about American branded and engineered cars here.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: USAir_757
Posted 2002-07-23 17:24:14 and read 28620 times.

A word of advice, never buy a used car with over 50000 miles on it

"A word of advice, never buy an American used car with over 50000 miles on it" would be better advice.

There are piece of #@%^ imports:

Older jags
Just about any british car
FIAT/AlfaRomeo
YUGO (obviously)
and a few others.

Imports like BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Volvo, Honda, and Toyota, these can go forever with standard routine maintainance. My '90 Volvo 760Ti has 258,000 on it and it's still going. I'm having a running problem which is due to the catalytic converter, which is almost totally plugged.(when it plugs completely, you go nowhere fast) I guess that happens to a car with so many miles on it...

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Wn700driver
Posted 2002-07-23 17:55:32 and read 28605 times.

Wn700driver: What 7-cyl? I have never heard of any 7-cyl engine from any manufacturer. Are you thinking of the 5-cyl turbo motor? I really doubt it's that. Most guys who do convert to a bigger engine go ford 5.0HO conversion and supercharge.

I thought Volvo had offered a 7 at one point. I know for sure they did a 5. Also, I didn't realize it would only take 2 grand to pull a Volvo that far down, but hey, I guess if they come turbo'ed already...

KFRG, I'm pretty damned sure I meant 220. Also, Rice burner is a very subjective term. Most people who tune the sh*t out of an accord, maxima, etc... for purely performance motives do little or nothing to the exterior. As I've said before, the only thing that sets my car apart visually is the Paint Job (all three of my cars are Agean Blue --I'm very anal about having like-coloured vehicles--), and the wheel/tyre set. The audio signature is exactly the same, except when the boost is dialed way up (and that's an intake sound, NOT exhaust). I left the exhaust relatively stock (all that extra noise would only be worth anothe 5-15hp at best), blah, blah, blah. I guess my point is that my car is go & not much show. I've seen others like that as well, & no one I know would call it rice. I also deffinately agree that there are too damned many kids out there that think neon paint, a wing, & a fart-can will put your car into the 10's. I can say I've even seen this done to mustangs & cameros too, so I guess you could say it is a 2-way street, lol. Ok that was lame. ciao

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-23 20:17:18 and read 28607 times.

Wn700 can you please explain your two comments?

"Superfly - my car has only the following "mods"
2.2L H22a aftermarket motor
6m transmission (Reeeeeeeeal close ratio gearing)"

"No H22a comes close to 163lb stock. But that's ok. Because as I've said numerous time, more by implication, that is NOT the motor I have."


7 cylinder engine? ROTFLMAO.....now thats just sad.

"LOT is toooooooooooooo biased to American cars. I can get a Volvo 740Ti in near-mint condition with low milage for around $7000,"

I know  Smile

I wouldnt mind having a BMW 7 Series (Not the newest one) or a MB 500 or 600.

Yes, but that Volvo is a box....it looks like (_$@)(*@$
LOL its so cheap because it has alot of miles not because its a Volvo!

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Bruno
Posted 2002-07-24 01:34:24 and read 28587 times.

Wn700driver & LOT767-300ER



I did see a Honda Accord smoke the socks off a Chevy Camero SS. It totally blew the Chevy in the dust. I tried catching up with Chevy just to see the humiliation on Chevy owers face.
Suddenly my alarm clock rings and it woke me up and it was time for me to get ready for work. Big grin

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-24 03:11:57 and read 28596 times.

" did see a Honda Accord smoke the socks off a Chevy Camero SS. It totally blew the Chevy in the dust. I tried catching up with Chevy just to see the humiliation on Chevy owers face."

1. Honda Heavily modified
2. Idiot was driving the Camaro
3. Spell Camaro right.
4. I bet it wasent a 91' Accord

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Silverangel
Posted 2002-07-24 16:19:11 and read 28579 times.

LOT763,

You are a moron. It's obvious that WN is totally brainf***ing you. A 13 second accord? I think most people would just pony up the $$$ for used M3 if that's what they wanted. Anyways, you say you don't believe him, but I think you put a lot more faith in what everybody here says than that. Have you noticed that you respond to absolutley everything everyone says? Also, I think this thread applies to people with cars.

~~Lori

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Captaingomes
Posted 2002-07-24 17:39:03 and read 28574 times.

LOT, read Bruno's message again. After he said what you quoted him in your message, he said his alarm clock woke him up! He was actually on your side, but you're too busy looking for a fight that you didn't notice! Sheesh!!!  Smile

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Superfly
Posted 2002-07-24 19:44:20 and read 28575 times.

LOT767-300ER:
I saw the same thing Bruno saw. I did see a Honda beat a Chevy SS!
It happened when I was riding in ILS's BMW while we were going to pick up his wife.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy There was a lot a traffic becasue President Al Gore was giving a speach at the Peidmont Airlines headquarters here in San Francisco.  Laugh out loud
Also there were many spectators watching the new Air Force One A-380 land on an aircraft carrier. Big grin


Just kidding.  Smile



Wn700driver:
You seem like a nice guy and all but I am still having a difficult time believing you. I understand that the Honda is a lighter car and all but the Chevy has a 5.7 liter V8 and isn't that much heavier to ware it would would be blown away.
Hell I've even beat some ricers with my huge 1977 Lincoln and that's not even a performance car! That's a 5077lbs. boat with only 220HP at 3200rpms.

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Sebolino
Posted 2002-07-24 20:09:26 and read 28604 times.

Nothing more to say than that:






























Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-24 20:15:29 and read 28578 times.

"You are a moron. It's obvious that WN is totally brainf***ing you."

lol ok........

Dude in this world crazy people like him exist....and really do think all that stuff.

Just ask anyone on here and they will tell you that they seen ricers who think they are all that.

Sebolino: Why are you posting photos of the garbage truck that just pulled over by my house?

"LOT, read Bruno's message again. After he said what you quoted him in your message, he said his alarm clock woke him up! He was actually on your side, but you're too busy looking for a fight that you didn't notice! Sheesh!!! "

I know i saw that after i posted it. My kind apologies to Bruno  Smile

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Silverangel
Posted 2002-07-24 21:02:30 and read 28570 times.

LOT

I didn't say he was crazy, I just said he was messing with you. Anyways, if he is who I really think he is, than it is not impossible that he's telling the truth, though I would have to see it to beleive it. The guy I'm thinking of & his older brother used to do some wicked sh!t to the most unsuspecting of cars. Anyways, I'm not sure I'm right about all that, so I will stop there.

WN, on that subject, do have an older brother from Ireland or somewhere like that?

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2002-07-24 21:40:33 and read 28554 times.

Hes not messin......THAT HOW STUPID HE IS

Topic: RE: Ford Makes The Best Cars In The World
Username: Silverangel
Posted 2002-07-24 21:43:25 and read 28566 times.

WN, is mark your older brother? The guy who works at ICPS in Belfast? Also, didn't he have a Trans Am or something like that?


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