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Topic: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Ryanb741
Posted 2002-07-31 21:27:07 and read 1767 times.

The Aussies are at the top of the Commonwealth medal table at present, but England have just won 6 straight athletics gold, so it aint over yet boys!  Big thumbs up

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Aviatsiya.ru
Posted 2002-07-31 21:41:08 and read 1735 times.

Does that include the women's relay?  Laugh out loud

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Aviatsiya.ru
Posted 2002-07-31 21:46:41 and read 1732 times.

Also, don't forget the swimming hasn't even really started yet either....can you say whitewash?  Wink/being sarcastic

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: David_itl
Posted 2002-07-31 21:52:53 and read 1730 times.


I'm afraid the word "whitewash" came out as "Karen Pickering" and "Zoe Baker" when I said it!

David

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Racko
Posted 2002-07-31 22:45:33 and read 1720 times.

After swimming, Australia will be light-years ahead. They have this big-foot-alien-swimmer who beats anybody else on this planet hands-down.

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: KLMBlue
Posted 2002-07-31 23:39:16 and read 1709 times.

Excuse my ignorance, but who participates in the Commonwealth games and what sports do they play?
-brian

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: David_itl
Posted 2002-08-01 00:08:10 and read 1710 times.


Brian

just click here for the 72 nations and 17 sports.

Scotty, any news emanating from Australia regarding the individual states competing in their own right rather than as an "Australia" combine?

David

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Ryanb741
Posted 2002-08-01 01:50:08 and read 1701 times.

Yeah, yeah - we hammered everyone overall in the athletica and were top of that table. Swimming, schwimming, who cares? We have boats here in England  Big grin

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Aviatsiya.ru
Posted 2002-08-01 02:02:52 and read 1698 times.

Scotty, any news emanating from Australia regarding the individual states competing in their own right rather than as an "Australia" combine?

So then the board would look something like this?

1st Western Australia
2nd Queensland
3rd New South Wales
4th Victoria
5th South Australia
6th Australian Capital Territory
7th Northern Territory
8th Australian Antarctic Territory
9th Heard and McDonald Islands
10th England

Swimming, schwimming, who cares? We have boats here in England

Yeah, we have boats here too. But we would rather not use them. Much like you guys, but with soap.  Laugh out loud

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Ryanb741
Posted 2002-08-01 02:07:21 and read 1693 times.

Actually, Australia has like 8 more golds than England. If you take away swimming, which we don't really take too seriously as a sport (ian who?) then we are level if not ahead.

Admittedly, if there was an 'arrogant bastards' olympics the Aussies would be first every time!  Big grin

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Travelin man
Posted 2002-08-01 02:12:59 and read 1689 times.

Not to be trite, but:
Falkland Islands
St. Helena
Gibraltar
Guernsey
Isle of Man
Jersey
Niue
Norfolk Islands

These are "nations"?

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Aviatsiya.ru
Posted 2002-08-01 02:26:44 and read 1685 times.

Actually, Australia has like 8 more golds than England.

11 actually, but hey...who's counting?

If you take away swimming, which we don't really take too seriously as a sport (ian who?) then we are level if not ahead.

Actually, take away swimming and we would still be 8 out in front.

To give you guys a chance, maybe you should try and get this "sport" introduced into the games.

http://www.cheese-rolling.co.uk/

Admittedly, if there was an 'arrogant bastards' olympics the Aussies would be first every time!

And meet our team captain

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Racko
Posted 2002-08-01 03:12:10 and read 1670 times.

BTW, at the European swimming championship, there was a british female 10m tower jumper (I have no idea how that sport is called Innocent). Why wasn't she at the Commonwealth games ? She finished as a great 12th out of 12th btw  Wow!

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: ADG
Posted 2002-08-01 14:14:52 and read 1650 times.

Ever notice that when the poms aren't winning something it becomes "irrelevant"?

;D

Ian Thorp has the biggest feet ive ever seen! (wonder if that means anything in particular eh SFA?) *wink wink*



VH-ADG

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Saintsman
Posted 2002-08-01 14:41:41 and read 1645 times.

ADG,

Isn't that why he's called the thorpedo? or is it because he comes too quick?.....I mean he's really fast...

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: GKirk
Posted 2002-08-01 14:46:05 and read 1644 times.

I would suspect England would clean up at an arrogant games competition  Big grin

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: LH423
Posted 2002-08-01 19:09:14 and read 1626 times.

Watch it ADG, I remember an Australian reporter having to publicly apologize to Ian Thorpe after she made a similar comment regarding the sizes of certain appendages in relation to others.  Smile

Anyways, there's no disputing that because these are games that are played throughout the Commonwealth, Australia naturally has an advantage of winning them. That's what you get when you put a country surrounded by water with 300+ days of sun. Now, if you guys put skiing and hockey and curling in there, say hello to Canada  Smile

LH423

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Ryanb741
Posted 2002-08-01 19:32:12 and read 1622 times.

Hockey is in there and Canada lost to England and Pakistan and are out!

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: BarfBag
Posted 2002-08-01 19:32:56 and read 1621 times.

I must say I'm quite surprised to see my own country - India - do so well  Smile We're battling it out with the Canucks for 3rd place in the overall medals tally. We did damn well in shooting and weightlifting - 10 golds in each discipline Big grin Current top 5:

Country Gold Silver Bronze Total
Australia 44 34 37 115
England 32 29 28 89
Canada 20 21 31 72
India 20 17 14 51
S.Africa 6 7 8 21

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Banco
Posted 2002-08-01 20:02:00 and read 1613 times.

Be it the Commonwealth or Olympic Games, everyone knows that the athletics is the focal point of the games. And there, my whingeing Aussie friends, you got beat by England, twelve golds to nine.

Just bear in mind that had it not been for certain members of this forum crowing about how wonderful Australia is, this topic would never have been raised.

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: David_itl
Posted 2002-08-01 20:33:01 and read 1606 times.

And to rub insult into the wounds, apparently the IAAF are querying why the track is being ripped up as it's a more than suitable venue for the World Athletics Championships! I'll tell them why...those ******ds are so fixated with London that we only got the stadium on the proviso that there would be a tenant. No other city in Britain was "good enough" for them. Hence, the Council initiated talks with Man City which will lead to them to move house from 2003 on a 299-year lease with the ground being dropped 6 feet to reveal the shell of the stand that has been completed.

Don't blame us for getting rid of the track - we're only obeying what we were told to do! If I find the Manchester Evening News Comment from last night, I'll post it.

David

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Banco
Posted 2002-08-01 20:43:33 and read 1605 times.

Yes, David, I've been wondering why various institutions have taken until now to start moaning about the fact that the athletics track is being removed. The fact was that one of the main concerns of the council was that they'd have a huge white elephant after the Games with no-one using it. So City stepped in saying they were looking to move and wouldn't this be a great opportunity for both of them?

This is particularly pertinent in this country where the government refuses to spend a penny on any sporting stadia (although on the other hand...subtle joke there) yet are quite happy to interfere. And let's be honest, if it was retained as an athletics stadium, how often would it be used? We simply don't need one as the struggle to sell 12,000 tickets for a Grand Prix meeting demonstrates except for big occasions such as this. So if the government aren't prepared to step in and underwrite the cost, it is never financially viable because it simply isn't used often enough. As for the attitude amongst the IAAF that only London will do, it doesn't seem to be an issue in other countries, as the Barcelona Olympics and Seville World Championships demonstrate. I suspect their only exposure to Manchester comes from Lowry paintings, which might just be a tad out of date.

It's too late to complain now.

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: ADG
Posted 2002-08-01 23:09:06 and read 1596 times.

Isn't that why he's called the thorpedo? or is it because he comes too quick?.....I mean he's really fast...

When you say "comes", you do mean approaches don't you? :-o

Watch it ADG, I remember an Australian reporter having to publicly apologize to Ian Thorpe after she made a similar comment regarding the sizes of certain appendages in relation to others.

I'd be asking to see it in court to see if there was any truth in my statement  Smile ... Enquiring minds NEED TO KNOW!!!!!

Anyways, there's no disputing that because these are games that are played throughout the Commonwealth, Australia naturally has an advantage of winning them. That's what you get when you put a country surrounded by water with 300+ days of sun. Now, if you guys put skiing and hockey and curling in there, say hello to Canada

Canada is doing quite well at the Games anyway (go Canada go!), but I seem to remember someone called Carly Steggle !! and we have snow! I can see it out my window in the winter. (brrr)

India is doing VERY well ...

Be it the Commonwealth or Olympic Games, everyone knows that the athletics is the focal point of the games. And there, my whingeing Aussie friends, you got beat by England, twelve golds to nine.

Ah .. but apply per capita ratings and the Aussies are back up on top. (that's the danger of classifications, everyone can find something to aid their cause!).

I think every country in there and every athlete in there are doing a fantastic job. Glenn, upon his return from London told me that the English news is showing nothing but their medal wins so there isn't much on the news about the games  Smile






VH-ADG

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: QANTASforever
Posted 2002-08-01 23:44:32 and read 1588 times.

Aviatsiya.ru ,
You bloody legend.
I have great admiration for a guy who speaks his mind.

Regards your humble fan,

QANTASforever

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Aviatsiya.ru
Posted 2002-08-02 00:34:52 and read 1583 times.

Be it the Commonwealth or Olympic Games, everyone knows that the athletics is the focal point of the games. And there, my whingeing Aussie friends, you got beat by England, twelve golds to nine.

It may be the focal point of the Englishman's Games, but swimming is the focal point of the Aussie's Games. But still, let put it all back in perspective. Overall, we are still 13 golds in front (52-39).

But I tell you what the English are good at. Inventing games which other countries can beat them at. Don't go whinging on me here  Wink/being sarcastic

Just bear in mind that had it not been for certain members of this forum crowing about how wonderful Australia is, this topic would never have been raised.

But we are great...read:

Australia 52 G 36 S 42 B 130 T
England 39 G 34 S 35 B 108 T

Do you think that Ryan is regretting posting this topic now?  Laugh out loud

Ian Thorp has the biggest feet ive ever seen! (wonder if that means anything in particular eh SFA?) *wink wink*

I went to http://www.ianthorpe.telstra.com.au/stats/index.cfm hoping to find something like:

Personal Information

Name: Ian James Thorpe
Nickname: Thorpey or Thorpedo
D.O.B.: 13 October 1982
Home: Sydney, Australia
Size of feet: 17"
Other appendage: 9 1/2"

But unfortunately, that wasn't to be found :-(

So I decided to do a search. The only photos I could find were of him actually swimming, photoshoot shots, or shots like this one:



Where there what we want know about it conveniently blocked out.

But give me Todd Pearson any day......aaaaauuuuuuuu!!!

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Arsenal@LHR
Posted 2002-08-02 01:22:51 and read 1578 times.

But I tell you what the English are good at. Inventing games which other countries can beat them at. Don't go whinging on me here

Ah, but you're hopeless at football, even the americans are better than you! Embarrassment

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Mx5_boy
Posted 2002-08-02 01:36:27 and read 1578 times.

Guys,

I think the poms get a bit uppity with us coz they like to think we're still some far flung colony and shouldn't be upping the ante with the mother country.

LOL

(How dare those vulgar antipodeans suggest they are wonderful?)

mb

The new * of Airliners.net

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Arsenal@LHR
Posted 2002-08-02 01:37:59 and read 1577 times.

we're still some far flung colony and shouldn't be upping the ante with the mother country.

Definitetly true. Remember, never say bad things to your mother!  Big grin

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Mx5_boy
Posted 2002-08-02 02:30:24 and read 1572 times.

Remember the mother country:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2164999.stm

LOL  Big grin

mb

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Toady
Posted 2002-08-02 02:54:08 and read 1567 times.

I don't know where people get the idea that Brits are upset by the success of Australia and/or USA.
Just as any parent wishes better things for their sons & daughters than they themselves were able to achieve or attain, Britain wants her 'offspring' nations to prosper in all areas. What's the point of establishing new nations if they're not to shine?

On a lighter (but still pertinent) note, it amuses me no end to hear people basking in the reflected glory of these athletes - could also apply to musicians, car manufacturers, actors, etc etc.
What Aussie can claim any credit for Ian Thorpe's ability other than Ian Thorpe? What Brit can claim credit for Paula Radcliffe's ability other than Paula Radcliffe?
Crowing about somebody simply because they were born within the same national boundaries as oneself is bloody daft if you ask me.

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Paulc
Posted 2002-08-02 08:26:33 and read 1552 times.

Sport in general is the overall winner at the Games - not an individual country. There have been great performances from every competing nation in a friendly, well organised event - well done to Manchester

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: BNE
Posted 2002-08-02 13:20:39 and read 1535 times.

Looking at the games medal tally looks like India are going to be a force to be reckoned with in a few years time.
The Canadian hockey team should have put a layer of ice all over the court and they would have had a chance of winning. Australia also got beaten by the English in hockey.
It is disappointing that England are 9 time zones away so don't get that much of a chance to watch it.
2 World records have been broken by Australians, Ian Thorpe in the 400metres and the 4000metre team pursuit.

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: BarfBag
Posted 2002-08-02 16:53:06 and read 1520 times.

What's the point of establishing new nations if they're not to shine?

Maybe to send your convicts to ?  Big grin But when those 'convicts' start creaming you in everything from swimming to rugby to tennis to cricket, it gets a bit galling, eh ?  Laugh out loud

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: BCal DC10
Posted 2002-08-02 18:07:54 and read 1511 times.

Toady has it right... most people I know enjoy the Commonwealth Games... its a chance for England to gather all her 'children' together where they compete in some friendly games.

Often, like when fathers and sons play, you'd let your son win the race or the game, make him feel a bit better about himself, give him a bit of confidence as he grows up.... maybe England feels like that father right now...  Big grin

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Banco
Posted 2002-08-02 21:28:25 and read 1500 times.

The simple fact of the matter is that Australia spent a fortune on developing sport back in the 80's and 90's. I believe that the policy came about after a dreadful performance in the Olympics one year - or something like that, I'm sure an Aussie will be able to confirm or deny this story. As a result they're now reaping the benefits.

It has taken the British government quite some time to cotton on to the obvious, which is a strong sporting prowess results in the country basking in the afterglow. You can even advance a case for saying that sporting success aids economic success by creating a feelgood factor, but let's not go into such a nebulous topic - East Germany kind of limits that argument.

Over the last few years the level of UK spending on sports development has rocketed, and it was interesting to read the odd article in the Australian press predicting that Britain may well overtake Australia in the next twenty years. Essentially, Australia has shown everyone else how to do it and now they're starting to catch up.

Even the England cricket team is following the Aussie example, and are currently using the academy facilities in Oz whilst our own one is being built. The trouble is that the lead time is so long, so we won't get to see too much for a while yet. Add on to that the fundamental problem that is created: If everyone were to spend £10 billion on sport, someone would still win, and someone finish last. It is a question of relative spending that counts. Even then, cultural issues - and indeed relative wealth - make a huge difference. The Lawn Tennis Association is the richest in the world, mainly because of Wimbledon, but can't produce a decent British player for toffee. Incompetence cannot be overridden by money.

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Arsenal@LHR
Posted 2002-08-02 22:12:51 and read 1497 times.

I don't understand this stuff that Britain can'r produce a good tennis player etc. I mean, if there aren't any good tennis players in the country, then that's not the countries fault is it? No matter how well u train them, if they are not naturally talented or a has a god-given talents, there won't be any good tennis players.

Don't u think so?

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: BarfBag
Posted 2002-08-02 23:03:36 and read 1494 times.

The Lawn Tennis Association is the richest in the world, mainly because of Wimbledon, but can't produce a decent British player for toffee.

D-oh! Whenand where did Henman and Rusedski emigrate ?  Laugh out loud

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: ADG
Posted 2002-08-03 00:18:44 and read 1489 times.

The simple fact of the matter is that Australia spent a fortune on developing sport back in the 80's and 90's.

I'm not sure I agree with that, funding was increased but it wasn't a fortune. Not even by our standards.

Fact is that Australians thrive on sport. Today is Saturday, driving around I will see every single sports oval covered in children playing a variety of games including Netball, Hockey, Aussie Rules, Rugby League, Rugby Union. In the summer this will become Tennis, Cricket & little athletics.

When I drive past the pool there are kids swimming laps, remember we are a country "girt by sea", teaching your kids to swim is something every responsible adult should do. As for sporting prowess, that appears to be cyclic. Sometimes we win nothing, other times we win a little, othertimes we whitewash.

And sometimes we get our arses kicked by a tiny little country to our east ... (can I say All Blacks here without being politically incorrect?)  Big grin

I believe that the policy came about after a dreadful performance in the Olympics one year - or something like that, I'm sure an Aussie will be able to confirm or deny this story. As a result they're now reaping the benefits.

Deny. Whilst we have an Institute of Sport, it seems that at the moment we are reaping the benefits because we have some excellent sportspeople in this generation. Many of our sporting heros don't come from the Institute of sport or don't go there until AFTER they have become legends.

You can even advance a case for saying that sporting success aids economic success by creating a feelgood factor, but let's not go into such a nebulous topic - East Germany kind of limits that argument.

Did someone suggest that? I don't think our economy is based upon sporting success. Our economy is based on a lot of things, tourism and a low Aussie dollar is a major factor .. (come on down, your ₤ becomes $3 which buys you a macburger with change ...).

Over the last few years the level of UK spending on sports development has rocketed, and it was interesting to read the odd article in the Australian press predicting that Britain may well overtake Australia in the next twenty years. Essentially, Australia has shown everyone else how to do it and now they're starting to catch up.

And so they should. Australia has 20,000,000 people, the talent is limited to a percentage of that. How many people in the UK to chose from?

Even the England cricket team is following the Aussie example, and are currently using the academy facilities in Oz whilst our own one is being built.

Which in itself is indicative of how fantastic the Aussies are. Not only do we want to improve ourselves, but we'll make our facilities available to others. What nice people we are Big grin. and sooooooooo modest!




VH-ADG

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: David_itl
Posted 2002-08-03 21:17:08 and read 1457 times.


Also, don't forget the swimming hasn't even really started yet either....can you say whitewash?


And of course, these include the 2 races which England have just completed a 1-2-3.

David

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Glenn
Posted 2002-08-04 00:19:32 and read 1442 times.

England one 1-2-3. No Aussies in it I assume  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Not only do we allow the English to use our Academy but we even sent coaches over to the other Countries. Remember when Sri Lanka won the One Day cup. Who taugght them  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

All good fun guys but it is nice to see you guys win something for a change. Although, Australia still retained the Bledisloe Cup last night, real nail biter too it was  Smile/happy/getting dizzy That's the way sport should be. Whitewashs take the fun out of it.

PS I watched England beat India in England last week when I was over there. Pleasing to see but I was most dissapointed in the English behaviour towards the Captain when they lost the One day Final to India. MOST Unsporting of you, and then to jump on the we are great band wagon when you win a few medals !!!!

Hey the Sun is out  Smile/happy/getting dizzy It wasn't yesterday  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Banco
Posted 2002-08-04 14:27:15 and read 1433 times.

Glenn, you should know that the booing of Nasser Hussain after the one day final wasn't by the English, it was by the Indian fans. Nasser is an extremely popular captain with the English fans.

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: BarfBag
Posted 2002-08-04 17:27:22 and read 1421 times.

Glenn, you should know that the booing of Nasser Hussain after the one day final wasn't by the English, it was by the Indian fans. Nasser is an extremely popular captain with the English fans.

Does that suggest he isn't popular with Indian fans ? Oh come on Banco, you know better than that  Big grin Hussain received his share of support and opposition to that quaint "lookie here, see the number! what does it say ?! Yes, yes! Its three!" act, from both the Indian and British press  Smile

The Commonwealth Games are finally concluding today. Current top 5 in the medals tally:
Country Gold Silver Bronze Total
Australia 75 61 59 195
England 54 49 57 160
India 32 20 18 70
Canada 28 41 40 109
N.Zealand 11 11 21 43

Indian highlights:
1. World-class performance in shooting.
2. Dominated weight-lifting and wrestling.
3. Beat S.Africa, NZ and England to win women's hockey gold

Quite an extraordinary performance from India, I must say. In the previous 13 games upto this edition, we managed 50 golds altogether. And now we've 2/3rds as many in a single games, not to mention by far the largest total medal tally at an international event outside the subcontinent. Looks like all the emphasis on Chinese style focussed sports plans since the last couple of years is already showing results.

Topic: RE: England Comes Roaring Back At The Aussies
Username: Banco
Posted 2002-08-05 18:42:23 and read 1393 times.

I'm a bit surprised you thought I meant it that way Barfbag. Of course I wasn't saying the Indians hate Hussain. For a start most of the "Indians" there were British! Big grin

No, they'd just watched a terrific game and were pleased their side had won. Booing the opposition captain and cheering the Indian one was just part of that. I thought it was a bit rude and unnecessary, but hey, since they're our people not yours it's our own problem isn't it?  Big grin

By the way, I agree with you about India in the Commonwealth Games. That was a fantastic performance.


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