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Topic: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Clipperhawaii
Posted 2002-08-30 01:57:09 and read 2032 times.

...But not their husbands children. For these children, the spirit of their fathers and the spirit of all those who perished on September 11th will live on. These are the new American patriots.

For those who tried to kill us and weaken America, I ask you to look at these children and come to realize that you will NEVER succeed.



Remembering all those who lost their lives on September 11th, 2001

ClipperHawaii





Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Ryanb741
Posted 2002-08-30 02:02:09 and read 1917 times.

Nice photo. My goodness - is it one year already? Still seems hard to believe it happened.....

Out of interest - what is happening in the USA to commemorate 9/11? I assume there will be lots of remembrance services, but will there be any concerts etc to try and fundraise more cash for victims families etc?

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: We're Nuts
Posted 2002-08-30 02:49:08 and read 1894 times.

I hope nothing will happen. Whole goddamn year has been one big memorial service. The dead probably don't need one more day.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: EGGD
Posted 2002-08-30 02:55:06 and read 1889 times.

like the way this whole fiasco has turned into a huge flag waving oppertunity for some people. I wonder how many people say 'this has only made us stronger, you attacking us, fools', in the memory of the people that died, and never even think about those that did lose their lives.

And it was an attack, they lost their lives to terrorism. Not hero's, victims.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: KROC
Posted 2002-08-30 02:59:22 and read 1880 times.

Yeah, this thread deserves 2 stars. Nice to know people have compassion. Well, only when it benefits them.......

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: We're Nuts
Posted 2002-08-30 03:05:48 and read 1872 times.

Well KROC, if it makes you happy, I can always pussy-foot the issue like yourself. But unfortunately, I just can't buy that. Mourning is great, but do you know what is even greater? Not having to mourn anymore.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: KROC
Posted 2002-08-30 03:12:06 and read 1875 times.

As usual We're Nuts, I have to break this out. If your pops died in the buildings, you would be all up for a 1 year mark of remembrance. I know you, waiting for the next big one to ravage Seattle may have other things on your mind, but one of the nations worst tragedys is still on most peoples minds. Pussy-ffot...no. Respect...yes. If you don't want to mourn. Good for you, but let those that do, do so without ignorant comments.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: TWAL1011
Posted 2002-08-30 03:21:32 and read 1850 times.

I could probably name most of the jerks responsible for the 2 star rating of this post.

You people suck.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Clipperhawaii
Posted 2002-08-30 04:01:58 and read 1839 times.

The audacity and outright sickening thought that some of you call my post a "huge flag waving opportunity" is nothing short of pathetic. I posted this so that we can ALL see that life goes on no matter what happens. Some of you choose to ignore this upcoming anniversary?

These poor children will grow up never seeing their fathers. That is painful for some of us. These poor mothers lost their husbands while they carried their unborn babies knowing full well that this act of barbarism will forever change their lives.

Here in Hawaii we still honor those who perished at Pearl Harbor. That was 61 years ago. We will never stop, nor shall we ever forget. September 11th lives on in the memories of a great many people. People who no doubt will suffer the pain that was dealt to them by individuals who have no feelings whatsoever for a very long time to come.

I will not forget, nor will I EVER stop remembering the lives lost, and affected on that most horrible of days.

Neither should you if you have any sort of humanity.

I can not believe some of the responses regarding the upcoming anniversary of September 11th. Utter trash without any decency. Shame on you.


Remembering all those who lost their lives on September 11th, 2001

ClipperHawaii





Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Blink182
Posted 2002-08-30 04:16:44 and read 1805 times.

I have a mixed view on this. I think it has made the USA come together because patriotism didn't mean much before 9/11 and now US Citizens are willing to do just short of anything to better the United States. However, what I don't like is how if somebody voices their opinions and it isn't pro-US, everybody screams "Anti-American." That is the part I don't like.

I don't know about you all, but I will always remember where I was and when I heard about what happened on that tragic day. I think we should remember the victims respectfully, not meaning have nationally televised services, but letting those who want to remember, do so in their own manner without being interrupted or disrupted.

While none of those babies will ever know their bioligical fathers, they can say that their father was a true hero.

blink

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: NWA742
Posted 2002-08-30 05:10:50 and read 1772 times.

Man some of you are really stuck up piles of crap. I can't believe people can be such jerks about 9/11.

I hope nothing will happen. Whole goddamn year has been one big memorial service.

Oh I'm sorry you feel that way Nuts, we'll be sure to not remember our fellow citizens who were visciously murdered by terrorists, I mean, who cares? Right?

And it was an attack, they lost their lives to terrorism. Not hero's, victims.

Most of the people who died were victims EGGD, granted. But what about the 300+ firefighters and police officers who gave their lives to save others? Those people walked into 2 110-story burning buildings without regards to their own life. No, not heroes at all.  Pissed

Or, what about those men who fought terrorists on that United 757, without regards to their own life? They knew what was going on. In fact, they kicked the shit out of those sons of bitches so bad that they had to fly the plane into the ground just so those heroes couldn't save it.

No heroes, all victims? COMPLETE BULLSHIT!

For those assholes who gave this thread a bad rating, I have a questions to ask you:

Do you know how many children waited for their family members to come home from work, and they never came?

Once the plane struck the 1st tower, a little kid's father was trapped inside. He wrote his son an email telling him that he loves him, that a plane has hit his building and he can't get out, and how he will see his son in heaven. Can you imagine what this child felt like after receiving this email?

Everyone who deserves to live in this country should never forget what happened almost a year ago.

SOME OF YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK!!!!!!!!!  Pissed Pissed Pissed Pissed


A VERY ANGRY NWA742

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: GD727
Posted 2002-08-30 05:28:17 and read 1755 times.

This is just sad. I didn't know there are so many people who could just look back on 9/11 and not care, that is just plain OUTRAGOUS and SICKENING! Those of you who gave this post a two star ratings make me SICK! How you can look back on 9/11, watching the people jumping from burning 110 story buildings and not care is beyond me! Also, calling the show of patriotism after 9/11 a huge flag waving oppertunity and blind worship also make me sick! The patriotism after 9/11 showed that this is the United States of America, we are united and you cannot destroy our proud spirit!

The people responsible for the 2 star rating are a disgrace to humanity.

-GD727

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: STT757
Posted 2002-08-30 05:29:30 and read 1762 times.

Fiasco?.

little kid mind your freaking business and let the grown ups post on these type of topics.

Show some class.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: VirginLover
Posted 2002-08-30 05:53:00 and read 1735 times.

When I was at summer college, a bunch of people from New York City and Long Island were talking about September 11th, remembering where we all were, what we felt... an international student piped in with, "I don't know what the big deal is anyway. Things worse than that in other countries happen all the time." I remember the look of all the New Yorkers faces...

While I can *almost* understand why some are saying "Get over it" (But not really, because that's disgusting to say it straight out), let us have our time of mourning. "But you had your mourning period," you say, "It's been almost a year, give it up." As much as we'd like to, you can't get over someone's death like that. You can't tell those mothers and those children whose fathers will never come home to "get over it." You can't expect us to "snap out of it." Mourning doesn't quite work that way. So please, put your politics aside and either say a kind word or don't say anything at all. These posts are not for political debates or American ridicule.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: We're Nuts
Posted 2002-08-30 05:53:07 and read 1732 times.

Hey guys, life's a bitch. You drink a little, maybe get some on the side... you DEAL! If the US mourns this for the rest of eternity, how will we ever MOVE ON? Do you expect your children to feel the same sadness? Okay, okay, let me ask you this: when was the last time you mourned the victims of Pearl Harbor? Gettysburg? The eruption of Vesuvius?? Time passes, you get over it. This obsession is not healthy. It can only do more harm.

And I do love the mid orgasm-like reasoning of some people on this thread. Please, think before you post.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: NWA742
Posted 2002-08-30 05:59:46 and read 1729 times.

If the US mourns this for the rest of eternity, how will we ever MOVE ON?

What makes you think we can't move on without remembering what happened? I'm not saying we should cry everyday and forget about daily life, but mourning and never forgeting certainly does not prevent us from moving on!

Do you expect your children to feel the same sadness?

Yes, I do. As young as they are, my children love this country as well, and they mourn 9/11 as well.

when was the last time you mourned the victims of Pearl Harbor? Gettysburg? The eruption of Vesuvius?? Time passes, you get over it. This obsession is not healthy. It can only do more harm.

Last time I mourned Pearl Harbor was on December 7th, 2001. Mt. Vesuvius was a natural disaster. This was a planned terrorist attack to murder civilians.

No one is saying that we should be obsessed with mourning 9/11. Everyone is moving on, but most are moving on remembering and every now and then mourning 9/11.

I don't know what you're smoking or what pills you're on, but you need help.


-NWA742

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: We're Nuts
Posted 2002-08-30 06:01:51 and read 1725 times.

NWA742, turn on CNN, watch for an hour or so, and you tell me how well we are moving on.

Personally, I'm sick of hearing about it. Yes, there was a terrorist attack, yes, you're obsessed, no, you aren't moving on.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: NWA742
Posted 2002-08-30 06:12:02 and read 1717 times.

NWA742, turn on CNN, watch for an hour or so, and you tell me how well we are moving on.

This has nothing to do with the media Nuts.

Personally, I'm sick of hearing about it. Yes, there was a terrorist attack, yes, you're obsessed, no, you aren't moving on.

Why would you say I'm obsessed? Just because I think people should mourn and remember what happened to 3,000 of our fellow people? I'm moving on just fine Nuts, you know nothing about my personal life.



-NWA742

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Dc863
Posted 2002-08-30 06:14:47 and read 1717 times.

I think we've got some pro-arab Al qaeda people in this forum. For us Americans it's "Never Forgive or Forget"

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: TWAL1011
Posted 2002-08-30 06:22:26 and read 1708 times.

Man, I'm so glad I'm going out of town this weekend...

I'm so sick of reading this anti-American rubbish, yet I'm attracted to this forum like a moth to a porch light.

Thank God for drag racing.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: National_757
Posted 2002-08-30 06:34:40 and read 1697 times.

TWAL1011, don't thank god for drag racing, thank god for NASCAR racing baby  Big thumbs up

Seriously though, getting back to the topic, 3,000 of my brothers and sisters died on 9/11 and they didn't have to. It's awful and I definitely want 9/11 to be a day of remembrance. I think anyone who wants to pretend like nothing happened that day has some issues. We shouldn't be obsessed with remembering 9/11, but we should remember it. As the years pass, we will be able to move on but we will never forget what happened.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Dragogoalie
Posted 2002-08-30 06:40:23 and read 1689 times.

Clipperhawaii, thanks for this post. You are one of the members who I have really grown to respect. You are down to earth even though you have the best job in the world (my dream job actually). I absolutely love flying and I am currently at the University of NOrth DAkota learning to be a pilot. Keep it up and you're now on my respected users list (not that its a particularly great honor or anything).

--dragogoalie-#88--

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2002-08-30 06:45:22 and read 1680 times.

I agree that we need to move on; I also agree with KROC that if We're Nutschmuck lost someone, it would be a whole different story.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: We're Nuts
Posted 2002-08-30 06:45:43 and read 1680 times.

 Insane

Well it seems like everyone here has missed my point, so I bid this thread farewell. Some parting words: I am not un-American. That sort of accusation comes from a McCarthy era-type thinking. I just like to question the status quo. And when I start "disgusting" people, I know I have at least made them think. That is the one thing this country can build on. So I urge you all to get out there and THINK FOR YOURSELF! If you want to honor the dead, do so by making this country better, not by doting over their loss.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Mx5_boy
Posted 2002-08-30 06:51:06 and read 1674 times.



"""Those of you who gave this post a two star ratings make me SICK!"""

Good grief! Thats just a tad bit paranoid.

Poor Nutsy, I think he made some good points.

mb

Owner of the *yay!* trademark.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: 737doctor
Posted 2002-08-30 07:04:20 and read 1656 times.

"Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it."

How quickly we forget...or try to anyway.

We should respectfully remember those who were murdered on 9/11. If you don't like it, fine, but don't disrespect the dead, just because you're tired of hearing or seeing the various media reports. We all know that the media beats every compelling story to death, but that doesn't change the fact that many innocent people needlessly lost their lives and should be remembered. It is possible to "move on" with your life, yet look back and remember those who were lost. It's that kind of "live only for the moment" attitude that creates generation after generation of high school students who couldn't tell you anything about the horrors of the Holocaust or the gruesome battles during WWII. I will never forget 9/11 and neither should anyone else. True, I work in the aviation industry and perhaps the events of that day hit me harder than some, but to cast away the grave importance of that day just because you're tired of hearing about it is just plain ignorant.

Clipperhawaii, you're right on and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Gunships
Posted 2002-08-30 07:17:29 and read 1650 times.

737doctor, You summed it up perfectly.

We should not, nor will we ever forget.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: IMissPiedmont
Posted 2002-08-30 07:21:31 and read 1643 times.

It appears thet somome has a chip on his shoulder. He has, in regards to this post, an appropriate name though.

I still sometimes find myself tearing up about my dog that was killed on FEB 9, 1999. Does that mean that I should not remember her? What bothers me is the false patriotism associated with the issue. The people are the issue.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: We're Nuts
Posted 2002-08-30 08:49:00 and read 1622 times.

I'm nuts? Oh that's a new one.  Insane

Yeah, I know I said I would stay away, but in thinking over some of the things NWA said, I realized I could easily correct the commuication gap.

What you do to honor the dead is your business. What I dislike is that on 9/11, every TV station on the air will hold some dumb "memorial". Why? Are they patriots, you ask? No, they are out for ratings. Like all those t-shirts with "God Bless America" or some related crap. Everyone wants to make money on it.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Saintsman
Posted 2002-08-30 09:35:22 and read 1613 times.

I would respectfully remind you that not all the victims were American and I hope that everyone is remembered in one way or another.

To be honest, the event was so momentous that it will never be forgotten. Whether the occasion is marked is another matter but it would be surprising if the first aniversary was not given any significance and after all, most countries remember thier dead at least once a year.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Pacificjourney
Posted 2002-08-30 09:35:48 and read 1609 times.

Why is every one pissing their pants over the 'insulting' 2 star rating. Precisely what is insulting about it ?

Most people here don't ever rate threads, I never have. Do some of you need confirmation of belief with 5 stars or what .....

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: KROC
Posted 2002-08-30 12:33:57 and read 1584 times.

an international student piped in with, "I don't know what the big deal is anyway. Things worse than that in other countries happen all the time." I remember the look of all the New Yorkers faces...

good for this guy. The thing is, in America, these things do not happen, and when they do, it affects the lives of one and all. I agree that as a nation, we need to move on. BUT, at the same time we mourn Veterans on Memorial Day, or those that died on December 7th 1941 ect, if once a year, we get together as a whole, and remember and mourn those that died in this tragic event, there is nothing wrong with that, and is important to all those that died.

We're Nuts, you say turn on CNN. I say leave it off. I don't want to hear about 9-11 everyday. I don't need every news channel making up 25 part mini-series recounting the 9-11 event. I don;t need that to remember. The images are forever burned into my mind. I suspect many people share that view, so if once a friggin year, as a whole we want to remember and mourn, outstanding. If you do not want to mourn, great, shut your grill then.

Bitching about the 2 star thing is not a stance of paranioa. It's sickening that someone is going to call a post that shows the wives who have had children since 9-11 that lost their husbands low quality. Why not piss on the memories of the innocent people that were murdered? We all know the star rating system is a joke, but for several people to take the time to bust this thread as low quality is insulting.

Oh, and a take on my may 737Doctor. If you forget the past, you can never learn from its mistakes.......

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Mx5_boy
Posted 2002-08-30 13:27:48 and read 1586 times.

Kroc says:

"""Bitching about the 2 star thing is not a stance of paranioa. It's sickening that someone is going to call a post that shows the wives who have had children since 9-11 that lost their husbands low quality. Why not piss on the memories of the innocent people that were murdered? We all know the star rating system is a joke, but for several people to take the time to bust this thread as low quality is insulting. """

Why are these people so special, may I ask? Why does it have to be so hollywoodesque and predictable? How much money were these woman paid to for the photoshoot?

How many people die in the USA from gun related incidents? Why are they not matryd?

I will take note that not all the victims were USA citizens but I suppose it doesn't matter does it? The rest of us that would prefer it to be remembered rather than morbidised in some ridiculous media and Hallmark manner.

Quick buck for anyone for 9/11?

Putrid.

I most definitely hope that 9/11 never happens again.

mb



If people are *busting* this thread as low quality it's probably because they think it is *low quality* and tasteless.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: KROC
Posted 2002-08-30 13:38:54 and read 1562 times.

Why are these people so special, may I ask? Why does it have to be so hollywoodesque and predictable? How much money were these woman paid to for the photoshoot?

How many people die in the USA from gun related incidents? Why are they not matryd?

I will take note that not all the victims were USA citizens but I suppose it doesn't matter does it? The rest of us that would prefer it to be remembered rather than morbidised in some ridiculous media and Hallmark manner.


Gun violence is a problem the U.S. faces everyday. And where is a greater percentage of this gun violence? Gangs, drugs, Postal workers, The occasional ignorant middle class gun owner. Thing is, if I'm gang banging, or breaking into someone's home, or turning into a stick-up kid to support my drug habit, I know that there is a chance I can get my cap peeled. The thing is, the 3,000 plus Americans AND Non-Americans that went to work on Lower Manhattan on September 11th, 2001 just going about their daily routine had no idea that some maniac had planned to crash jetliners full of people and fuel into their skyscrapers. It was a terrorist attack. An attack of war, aggression, violence, and mass murder. That is why it is different, and it does not take a genius to figure that out.

If people are *busting* this thread as low quality it's probably because they think it is *low quality* and tasteless.

*yay* Mx5 boy is using my slang! In all seriousness, what is low quality about this thread? ClipperHawaii I am sure had no intentions in cashing in on this thread. No intention of gaining some kind of recognition for himself. Simply put, he wanted to remember those lost in a way that that respects the dead, but showing those left behind. In this case, wives and their new born children. That is why it is absurd to dub this a "low quality" thread, and further shows what a joke the star rating system is.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Mx5_boy
Posted 2002-08-30 14:04:09 and read 1562 times.

Kroc,

Low quality is they key when we read comments about people complaining about the low star content and being sickened by it.

Sometimes, OK many times, you guys forget that this is an international forum and is open to anyone from anywhere. Get it?

Unfortunately for me, I watched *live* the event unfolding of Sept 11 and I have never been more horrified in my life. We lost Aussies there, but we don't mourn perhaps the same way that others do. (Americans like yourself mate.)

What I find vulgar is the commercialisation of the whole tragedy, like Clippers photo, which I am sure he didn't put there to be offensive.

It's turned into a media circus and a money making venture which is disgraceful to say the least. I wouldn't tolerate here in my own country if it was the case.

Nutsy, I think got the gist of the whole thing and is perhaps jaded by the hyperbole and marketing wrap on the whole thing.

The jokes doing the rounds in oz, as distasteful as it may seem revolve around the next big Hollywood movie to be made about it all. People don't form these opinions themselves mate.

The media circus is one thing, but it sets up others and promotes this as something saleable and marketable which it should not be! Those who perished in the towers and on the ground are not hero's as some have suggested, they are victims of an atrocity!

No-one in their right minds would have condoned what happened and the rest of us were sooo quick to go "shit - this is not right" and to support and help the USA anyway we could.

mb

*yay!* Santa Monica in October and maybe MattD will accost me.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Saintsman
Posted 2002-08-30 14:04:40 and read 1552 times.

Mx5 boy raised the issue about how much money the relatives of those who died have received. I wonder if their grief is any greater that someone else who lost a loved one that day, but say to a car crash also in NY. That date will also be etched on their lives too.

Let's keep the occasion dignified and not commercial.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: EGGD
Posted 2002-08-30 14:07:03 and read 1553 times.

Most of the people who died were victims EGGD, granted. But what about the 300+ firefighters and police officers who gave their lives to save others? Those people walked into 2 110-story burning buildings without regards to their own life. No, not heroes at all.


eh.. Yep, I'm not saying their not heroes. I'm just saying that, when there is a terrorist attack, and people die, they are victims. No matter how or where they died, what mindset they were in, they are still victims. I'm pretty sure that any firefighter or police officer put in this situation would do exactly the same. Do remember that the call was given to evacuate them all, but next to none recieved it. I know i'd do the same, in a situation like that fear bears no water, I sure would have rushed into that building to try and do my best.

Or, what about those men who fought terrorists on that United 757, without regards to their own life? They knew what was going on. In fact, they kicked the shit out of those sons of bitches so bad that they had to fly the plane into the ground just so those heroes couldn't save it.


hmm... ok, lets look at this from a different perspective. All the time you seem to be looking at everything from the hollywood-hero perspective. Ever wondered why only some of the passengers on just UA93 fought with their hijackers? Because they knew that they were going to die. What would you do if you knew you were going to die and even some people who weren't on the plane could die. You'd try to stop it, takes courage, but i'll bet many people on this board would do it. We don't know how the aircraft crashed yet (at least I don't), but one thing is for sure there is no way that they 'flew the plane into the ground just so those heroes couldn't save it'. Wouldn't happen like that...

For those assholes who gave this thread a bad rating, I have a questions to ask you:

Do you know how many children waited for their family members to come home from work, and they never came?


Now, despite that the fact that I did not vote on this post (in fact, I never vote), i'd like to comment on this. I don't think you can say such a thing right here, sure if we were friends in a pub discussing it, fine, but you don't know what situation some people are in, there is a good chance that someone on this board, even in this discussion might have lost a parent one day, due to a car crash, or maybe a bagsnatching that turned sour, or perhaps a murder. That happens every day, you just never hear about it. Referring back to the original post, these kids lost their parents to this terrible attack. It shouldn't have happened to them, I feel great sympathy for the victims families. But I think the sheer scale of things has made everyone feel that these children are somehow special. What about the children who lose their fathers who are serving in the line of duty, doing equally courageous things, but these children have to live on, just in the way that all of the children who lost family in sept. 11th.

I will not forget, nor will I EVER stop remembering the lives lost, and affected on that most horrible of days.


Believe me, I won't. I mean, every year when it comes round to it, i'll remember. I've read alot into that day, about the fear so many people went through, with the knowledge that they know they were going to die. I don't want to know how that feels, and I'll remember. Just like anyone else who has lost their life, in such a circumstance. Does anyone remember such things as The Oklahoma City Bombing, or the car bomb set off in omagh, Northern Ireland. I think of all the victims in the same way, life will ALWAYS go on in these situations. There was no doubt in my mind that the USA would recover from 9/11, but it just seems that some people have taken it to heart way to much, as if it meant something else that it did.

It appears thet somome has a chip on his shoulder. He has, in regards to this post, an appropriate name though.

I still sometimes find myself tearing up about my dog that was killed on FEB 9, 1999. Does that mean that I should not remember her? What bothers me is the false patriotism associated with the issue. The people are the issue.


This is what i'm trying to say to you guys, but obviously I will get jumped on again because I am an anti-American and I have no respect. I'm just a kid who has no valid opinions in an adult world (as put by mr. clipperhawaii himself, what about those children who are the new American patriots? They can't have any opinions that anyone should listen to as they grow up, so under your advice I won't listen to anything they might say in the future).

Oh well  Sad.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Mx5_boy
Posted 2002-08-30 14:26:15 and read 1542 times.

EGGD,

Well said mate. You have expressed your honesty without prejudice and without malice.

Lets remember and not forget our loved ones that went that awful day.

Every day we must be vigilant to the sort of attrocities that are committed on the human race and it should not make diddly squat which country they are from.

Americans now have an opportunity to show the world that terorrism against any peoples will not be tollerated.

Look forward and be honest with yourselves.

mb

A shining star * and a *yay!* trademark for a friend lost.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Clipperhawaii
Posted 2002-08-30 20:00:28 and read 1503 times.

A convoluted response? Care to explain this?

...what about those children who are the new American patriots? They can't have any opinions that anyone should listen to as they grow up, so under your advice I won't listen to anything they might say in the future).

One thing about teenagers is that they have their whole life ahead of them to try to understand that words have meanings and when you say them, you are held accountable. If you read EGGD's first post, you will see why just some people on here get just a little perturbed.

You picked a wrong way to post your feelings and now you try to back pedal. Nice try. But it was not successful.

CH

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Silverangel
Posted 2002-08-30 22:03:23 and read 1483 times.

Clipper, there is no way people didn't profit from that photo, or their story. You should know that the foreigners here aren't criticizing your being american (though the likes of NWA & KROC certainly don't help our case; I shudder to think what kind of terrorism people like them will cause for us in the future), but they are pointing out that you seem to be behaving just like CNN thnks you should. Whether you like it or not, money is being made off this. Ands lots of it! If there were a chance of a small percentage the profits being used to completley rebuild the towers as they were (or taller!), I would be ok with all that. But I don't see this red, white, & blue greed being used for that, so instead, it just sickens me. Don't get me wrong, I feel as bad about that horrible day as anyone here can (I think there is something about seeing it in real life that does burn your memory more than seeing it on television), but you'll pardon me not stopping to smell the propaganda.

The fact is that 3000 Americans died that day, but over 5000 died yesterday.
And KROC, you outta know better than to say things like that. People die in shootings, getting smacked by a drunk driver (a symptom of us not being well educated behind the wheel to begin with), and even from viruses they can't see eveery damned day in this nation of ours. But I guess they were taking their chances & should have known, right? Here's a news flash, most people killed in violent & random crime saw it coming with even less clarity then our 9/11 vicitims did. But you won't catch me saying something stupid like "well that's they chance you take when you get on a 762 these days, yup."
To the people in these forums from the rest of the world: Though we may mourn 9/11 more loudly than other nations, a great deal of us are NOT ignorant, flag waving zoophytes itching to advertise patriotism or zealous braggadocio. I realize that reading this thread seems to prove otherwise, but many of us really do just want to move the hell on already.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: ADG
Posted 2002-08-30 23:36:06 and read 1463 times.

I think that threads such as this one should not be hijacked by those who disagree. This is a memorial thread and as such it should be left for those who wish to express their sympathies. It's not up to anyone here to tell another person how they feel about 11-09-01. To each their own.

Come on guys! It's childish and petty and better left for threads that are specifically discussing the issues behind the attacks rather than the memorial threads that are about to spring up.!. Remember, that regardless of what you think, almost 3000 INNOCENT people lost their lives on that day.

On that note however, I was perterbed myself to see reference to husbands and fathers ... I add to that my sympathies for all the mothers, sisters, wives and/or daughters that lost their lives in the terrorist attacks of September the 11th.

Having said that:

As the 11th September rolls around we will be reminded of what occurred that day and what was lost. We have been shocked at the attacks, saddened at the loss, overawed by the situation and amused by the story of the first divorce from that day. A year has passed and we must remember and respect the feelings of the relatives and friends of those who were lost on that day.

My sympathies to them for their loss.




VH-ADG

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Clipperhawaii
Posted 2002-08-31 03:52:30 and read 1437 times.

This is a memorial thread and as such it should be left for those who wish to express their sympathies. It's not up to anyone here to tell another person how they feel about 11-09-01.

My intent. I had hoped that this would have brought forth wonderful comments on life itself.

As the 11th September rolls around we will be reminded of what occurred that day and what was lost. We have been shocked at the attacks, saddened at the loss, overawed by the situation and amused by the story of the first divorce from that day. A year has passed and we must remember and respect the feelings of the relatives and friends of those who were lost on that day.

Your eloquence is nonpareil.

All I can say is that the picture posted is a wonderful one. I particularly like the multi-ethnic feel of it as you can well see from the many ethnicities that can be seen. I would also add that the women on the extreme right is a Muslim, noted by the attire she is wearing. These women and indeed all people connected with this tragedy will endure and life does indeed go on. Perhaps one of these children will show us all the true meaning of humanity. Peace and love for one another. If that happens perhaps this would have all been worth it.

Remembering all those who lost their lives on September 11th, 2001.

ClipperHawaii


Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Alpha 1
Posted 2002-08-31 04:28:27 and read 1421 times.

To the people in these forums from the rest of the world: Though we may mourn 9/11 more loudly than other nations, a great deal of us are NOT ignorant, flag waving zoophytes itching to advertise patriotism or zealous braggadocio.

No, the one's she talking about or ignorant, burn-the-flag, it's-always-America's fault Americans, itching to shove it to the country that gives them so much with zealous braggadocio.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: Flyingbronco05
Posted 2002-08-31 04:32:32 and read 1416 times.

Theres got to be more people than that that have left children and wives/mothers behind.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: VirginLover
Posted 2002-08-31 05:39:37 and read 1407 times.

Know why this tragedy has special meaning? Because we lost our innocence. On September, we joined every other country, because we could no longer tell ourselves that no one could attack us, because we were "The Almighty Powerful Kingd..Country." Our moat was dried, our drawbridge failed to go back up. While you Europeans can say "C'mon, you had to see it come sometime," most people in this country are not up to date to current events, more so than now, but not enough, and we believed it. We lost a lot more than 3,000 lives that day.

Topic: RE: Their Husbands Died...
Username: KROC
Posted 2002-08-31 08:10:00 and read 1399 times.

You should know that the foreigners here aren't criticizing your being american (though the likes of NWA & KROC certainly don't help our case

There goes somebody ASSuming again, and Silverangle, well, I don't need to go on. I never criticised a foreigner for doing anything. I criticised those in general (you know who voted the thread no quality...). If you want to step to me, you better have yoru facts straight.

And Mx5. How do you know the people in the picture profited from it? For many, the memory of there loved one/s living on, is in itself, all they need. Also, like you said, ClipperHawaii did not post this picture with intent to commercialise the tragedy, or capitalise on it. He simply had a good thought/message that he posted. It is getting crap ratings because people have no compassion, unless it affects them. That is why I am bitching, and THAT does not bring down a thread quality. Also, I am not overly affected by the tragedy at this point, but I feel for those that are. The ones with new born children, and the father and motherless families ect. I guess some of us can look past those trying to profit from this, and look into what it really is about....respectfully mourning those that died in a tragic event. I guess while you, Silverangle, EGGD ect see only those trying to get over on the tragedy, people like me, NWA742 and Clipperhawaii can tune that out, and think of the people only. And that sounds like a YOU problem, not a ME problem.

The fact is that 3000 Americans died that day, but over 5000 died yesterday. And KROC, you outta know better than to say things like that. People die in shootings, getting smacked by a drunk driver (a symptom of us not being well educated behind the wheel to begin with), and even from viruses they can't see eveery damned day in this nation of ours.

So what? I guess you were not reading my previous posts, where I spelled out how 3 thousand people all dying at once due to a terrorist attack strikes a cord in America. Cuts a wound deep. On September 11th, 2001, thousands more people died than those involved in the WTC, the Pentagon, and the hijacked flights. The thing is, Jane Doe's brother who got picked off by a drunk driver in Idaho, while sad and tragic to her respective family, does not effect me. The mass murder of thousands of Americans and Foreigners in one shot...on American soil...in a terrorist attack does. I guess again, if you can't decipher the difference, I won't waste my time yping it up again.


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