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Topic: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: DeltaSFO
Posted 2004-01-04 05:40:18 and read 4013 times.

General Motors has unveiled the sixth generation Corvette, and, contrary to what I expected, it is drop dead gorgeous!

The highlights:

-First Corvette with fixed headlamps since 1962. I thought it would be ass ugly, instead I think it's the most beautiful Corvette since the 1963-1967 "Mid Year" Vettes. Lots of styling cues from past generation Corvettes, but they managed to avoid an unoriginal "retro" theme

-The 350 is no more.... the LS2 6.0 liter V-8 will generate 400 horsepower and will be the largest and most powerful base powerplant ever in a Corvette

-The 2006 Z06 will have a 427 cubic inch (YEAH BABY, YOU READ THAT RIGHT!) V-8 which is rumored to be "well north" of 500 horsepower.

-Transmission options are still the 4 speed automatic, and for those who know how to properly equip a sports car, the 6 speed manual

-The car is 5 inches shorter, 1 inch narrower. This was done with European markets in mind.

-The Z51 suspension package (as it is known on the C5) will turn into more of a high performance package, bridging what will be the large gap between the base Corvette and the Z06. The Z51 will require the six speed manual, will use tighter and shorter gearing in 1st through 4th gears in order to aid acceleration, will have a taller 5th gear in order to allow higher top speed, and will retain the trademark huge 6th gear overdrive. It includes not only upgraded suspension but also bigger brakes, Goodyear F1 Supercar tires, power steering fluid and transmission fluid coolers, and a number of other upgrades. A Z51 equipped coupe will be pretty much the equal of the present day Z06 in terms of performance.

-Performance numbers for a 6 speed coupe are estimated to be around 4.2 0-60 mph with a top speed of 180 to 185 mph.

-The interior finally gets enormous upgrades in terms of fit and finish and quality of materials used. This was maybe the biggest complaint about the C5. Some new features inside are available like a navigation system and an in dash 6 CD changer.

Okay, here are the pictures.


















Gotta love the engine strategy they took.... talk about retro! "There's no replacement for displacement." 400 horses is a beautiful thing indeed.

The styling could not have been done any better, in my opinion. Where the C5 lacks character, the C6 has it in spades.

Here's to America's Sports Car.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: DLKAPA
Posted 2004-01-04 05:42:12 and read 3991 times.

I WANT ONE!!!

who wants to contribute to the Eric's new corvette fund?

just e-mail me

DLKAPA

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: ScottysAir
Posted 2004-01-04 05:42:14 and read 3991 times.

Very nice with the brand new car, huh? Big grin

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Dufo
Posted 2004-01-04 05:58:04 and read 3980 times.

Very nice indeed!

Looks like a unique mix of F360, Callaway C12 and that ever-lasting Corvette design.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Captaingomes
Posted 2004-01-04 06:09:12 and read 3969 times.

Very very nice. Kudos GM. You can do something right! You didn't mess up one of your only good vehicles.  Big grin

One thing I don't like too much is that the front is too reminiscent of the current Dodge Viper. Otherwise, this is a very nice product.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: AWspicious
Posted 2004-01-04 06:12:34 and read 3965 times.

Kudos to GM.  Smokin cool


aw

Good night, Gomer

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-04 06:14:10 and read 3965 times.

Very nice!

American cars are definitely the way to go. The styling is just amazing!

Captaingomes is just upset because he drives a Passat, which my Mother's Intrepid would smoke.  Wink/being sarcastic

EmiratesA345 Laugh out loud

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Covert
Posted 2004-01-04 06:22:36 and read 3957 times.

Excellent, when my money is right I may be persuaded to purchase one...

covert

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Captaingomes
Posted 2004-01-04 06:45:38 and read 3939 times.

Huh? Where am I upset? Your mom's 6 cylinder Intrepid is slower than my dad's 4 cylinder Passat. Sad isn't it? Emirates, you should stick to talking about fashion!

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Delta767300ER
Posted 2004-01-04 06:46:25 and read 3937 times.

It looks awesome and the engine kicks ass. Hopefully I will have a Vette by the time I reach 30.

-Delta767300ER

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: N766UA
Posted 2004-01-04 07:01:10 and read 3928 times.

I like it... but I think the front resembles the Viper a bit too much...

Very nice looking though! Much better than Ford and their new Mustang and T-Bird.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-04 07:08:17 and read 3927 times.

Maybe upset was the wrong word. Something similar which I can't think of right now would be more appropriate.

And actually, no it can't. I invite you to join me on the 401 tomorrow. You'll learn the hard way when you're cleaning my dust out of your mouth.


And actually, I was salesperson of the week this week!

EmiratesA345 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Captaingomes
Posted 2004-01-04 07:14:01 and read 3918 times.

Don't be silly. I don't want you to get oil on your Gucci pants.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Jutes85
Posted 2004-01-04 07:15:22 and read 3915 times.

Nice car.

When that particular model comes with a hydrogen powered engine, count me in. I'd rather save the life of at least one American soldier before i'd buy that.

-The 350 is no more.... the LS2 6.0 liter V-8 will generate 400 horsepower and will be the largest and most powerful base powerplant ever in a Corvette

-The 2006 Z06 will have a 427 cubic inch (YEAH BABY, YOU READ THAT RIGHT!) V-8 which is rumored to be "well north" of 500 horsepower,


I guess when the oil reserves run-out, perhaps they'll consider to put in something smaller.

I'm in no way a "tree hugger", but I know when it is time to draw the line.

[Edited 2004-01-04 07:19:05]

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: L-188
Posted 2004-01-04 07:19:21 and read 3911 times.

At least they went back to round taillights.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: USAFHummer
Posted 2004-01-04 07:35:19 and read 3901 times.

Im not a car person really so I apologize if this is a naive question...Im guessing the roof is removable but it looks like it has to be manually taken off...am I right?? and is there enough trunk space to stow it?

Greg

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: NWA742
Posted 2004-01-04 07:35:52 and read 3901 times.

L-188,

The C5 also has round taillights:



They might be a little "ovelish", but mostly round.




-NWA742

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Captaingomes
Posted 2004-01-04 07:37:18 and read 3899 times.

Jutes85, I respect your opinion. However, let's face it. The Corvette will not sell in huge numbers. It is a very small category, so the net effect of having sports cars with powerful engines is very small indeed. It would be much more prudent for government resources to tackle the efficiency of all cars in general, or those that pose greater threats on the environment. This includes many SUV's. I'm in no way bashing SUV's, but what I am saying is that we must be logical if we are going to tackle environmental issues.

For example, Ford Explorers have done more damage to the environment as a whole than Chevrolet Corvettes. Let's not take away what little we can enjoy in today's society.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: L-188
Posted 2004-01-04 07:37:38 and read 3898 times.

And oval may look like a circle at the right angle, but it is still an oval.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: GulfstreamGuy
Posted 2004-01-04 08:00:43 and read 3889 times.

I LOVE it! I think it looks a lot like a Ferrari in the nose! Props to GM and their Corvette design team for this dream ride!

GulfstreamGuy

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Dragon-wings
Posted 2004-01-04 08:52:56 and read 3878 times.

Wow very impressive!  Wow!  Big thumbs up

The headlights look like the Dodge Vipers headlights, but it's still a nice design. I think it will awesome as a convertible.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Superfly
Posted 2004-01-04 10:11:35 and read 3854 times.

OK, GM has made a performance upgrade over there only fine product.
This Corvette looks as if GM combined the styling cues of the Ford GT, Mustang and Dodge Viper; thus creating a very beautiful automobile.  Big grin

I'd like to see GM put this power plant in to some full-sized Buicks and Cadillacs.

I am suprised I agree with Captiangomes in all of his post. This is an A.net first in terms of car talk.  Smile

Ford Explorers have done more damage to the environment as a whole than Chevrolet Corvettes

Maybe but what's even worse is the Lexus LX-470, Nissan Armada, H2 and Mercedes M-Class.
These stupid useless vehicles will NEVER be seen towing anything or going off road. They are purley status symbols and they do sell in larger volumes than the Corvette.
Sad.  Sad
Also the Corvette doesn't impair visability for other drivers like all SUVs including the small ones.

GM, thanks for the power upgrade to the Corvette. Now make a decent car people can afford like Ford has been doing
Bring back the Fleetwood Brougham, Caprice Classic, Roadmaster Estate Wagon, and Nienty Eight Regency!


[Edited 2004-01-04 10:15:08]

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: L-188
Posted 2004-01-04 10:30:37 and read 3845 times.

Ford Explorers have done more damage to the environment as a whole than Chevrolet Corvettes

Well of course the had.

You get a good snowfall in Alaska and that Corvette isn't going anywhere until spring.

You aren't going to put out a lot of emissions with your car in the garage for six months.

At least with an Explorer you can much your way don't the streets before the snowplows get a chance to hit it.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Superfly
Posted 2004-01-04 10:45:18 and read 3840 times.

You get a good snowfall in Alaska and that Corvette isn't going anywhere until spring.

You aren't going to put out a lot of emissions with your car in the garage for six months.

At least with an Explorer you can much your way don't the streets before the snowplows get a chance to hit it.



Yet L-188 raises another good point!  Smokin cool

I've never even been to Alaska yet and I know you won't even find a Lexus, Mercedes or Porshe SUV. Yet you will find plenty of Ford Explorers in Alaska.
Therefore the Ford Explorers serve a purpose and is not the SUV to pick on.
Yet so many so called enviornmentalist love to pick on the Ford Explorer as the root of all evil as they drive around in Toyota Highlanders.
Makes NO sense to me.  Confused

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: L-188
Posted 2004-01-04 10:57:32 and read 3840 times.

Um there are a couple of mercedes and Land Rovers running around.

I think the Oil execs and state workers have them.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Superfly
Posted 2004-01-04 11:05:08 and read 3837 times.

L-188:
Your kidding!
I bet you wont find any in Nome, Bethel, Dillingham or Barrow.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: L-188
Posted 2004-01-04 11:29:28 and read 3832 times.

Nope, but I do know the health care system bought new explorers for all of their clinics about two years ago. Which makes absolutely no sense.

Most of those people prefered the larger Ford Expedition.



Actually I do take that back.

The EMS squad in Aniak got on Oprah and Land Rover donated a Discovery to them.

[Edited 2004-01-04 11:45:59]

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Superfly
Posted 2004-01-04 11:44:16 and read 3829 times.

 Pissed
OK, how many REAL SUVs do you see; (Ford Excursion with Powerstroke Diesel or gas V10)?

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: L-188
Posted 2004-01-04 11:47:34 and read 3826 times.

Nothing wrong with a V-8 in an Excusion.

But you do see quite of them used by Native Corp heads ect.


Generally speaking the farther you get from the road system the older the vehicles are and the larger they get.

Small Pickups being the exception.

Don't ask me why.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Superfly
Posted 2004-01-04 11:54:25 and read 3823 times.

L-188:
Well I guess they just don't make 'em like they used to.

Do you see many International Scouts, Travelalls, CJ4s, AMC Eagles or Grand Wagoneers?




I know this is a Covette thread but I must ask these questions.  Smile

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: L-188
Posted 2004-01-04 12:00:33 and read 3822 times.

Those started to rust out in the 1990's  Crying


Particularly those vacume hose choked Eagles.

Actually it is funny you bring up Corvette and I rust.


They hired a guy when I was out in the Bush that was from Alabama.

Anyway he had been there a week and started to proclaim that the Corvette would be the perfect car for out there.

Keep in mind that this town is 600 miles off the highway system, and has maybe 20 miles of gravel roads.

Anyway he started in on how he though that since the vette had a fiberglass body it would be perfect for the Aleutian Islands.


 Insane

[Edited 2004-01-04 12:03:14]

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Superfly
Posted 2004-01-04 12:12:43 and read 3815 times.

L-188:
Talk about a dumb Southern hick!  Laugh out loud

I see those old great rugged off-road vehicles here in San Francisco in PRIMO condition all the time.

I think the Excursion with diesel would be the most ideal vehicle for Alaska.

The Corvette is really just for chasing women and high speeds on a desert highway. That's about it

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: L-188
Posted 2004-01-04 13:06:56 and read 3800 times.

Actually there was one range rover Discovery in that town too, owned by the guy that had the power plant.

Somebody also had an MG but had it as a restoration project, so that doesn't count I guess.



I personally never could understand why somebody would by a Suburban/Expedition/Excusion or any pickup truck and lower it.

Never made any sense to me.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous
Username: Racko
Posted 2004-01-04 15:09:18 and read 3796 times.

The new corvette looks nice, however the performance figures are disappointing.
Achieving a 0-60mph time of 4,2 seconds in a car with ""well north" of 500 horsepower" isn't very impressive considering that a Porsche 911 Turbo with 415 US-HP needs just 3,8 seconds.

"I've never even been to Alaska yet and I know you won't even find a Lexus, Mercedes or Porshe SUV. Yet you will find plenty of Ford Explorers in Alaska.
Therefore the Ford Explorers serve a purpose and is not the SUV to pick on."
You might be right about Lexus, however the Porsche Cayenne performs very well off-road (and even better on-road). And a Mercedes G-Class drives one easily when your Ford Explorer got stuck long ago, it's off-road abilities are amazing and way better than those of 95% of all the so-called SUVs.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Aloges
Posted 2004-01-04 17:24:33 and read 3766 times.

These gas-guzzling sports cars are so moronic...

I want one!!!  Smokin cool

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Usairwys757
Posted 2004-01-04 17:26:30 and read 3764 times.

Beautiful, Just Beautiful. Love the new '05 Corvette. Awesome car!

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Captaingomes
Posted 2004-01-04 17:33:09 and read 3758 times.

I am suprised I agree with Captiangomes in all of his post. This is an A.net first in terms of car talk

Superfly, you're showing progress!  Big grin

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Captaingomes
Posted 2004-01-04 17:42:43 and read 3755 times.

One more thing, my use of the Ford Explorer in my example was just because it is the best selling SUV. It is comparing the environmental effect of a vehicle that sells well into the hundreds of thousands of units every year, as opposed to whatever the Corvette sells. I will rephrase by saying that America's fetish with SUV's, most people not actually making use of their capabilities, has a greater negative effect on the environment than does the sale of a small number of sports cars. But please, I'm not saying SUV's should be banned, I'm just making an observation on what Jutes85 had to say.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: DeltaSFO
Posted 2004-01-04 18:11:47 and read 3745 times.

The new corvette looks nice, however the performance figures are disappointing.
Achieving a 0-60mph time of 4,2 seconds in a car with ""well north" of 500 horsepower" isn't very impressive considering that a Porsche 911 Turbo with 415 US-HP needs just 3,8 seconds.


Racko... the 4.2 second figure is for the 400 horsepower Corvette Coupe. The Z06, which is due out in the 2006 model year, will feature the upgraded engine and is expected to be below 3.5 seconds to 60.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: 777236ER
Posted 2004-01-04 18:14:36 and read 3740 times.

A SIX LITRE, FOUR HUNDRED HORSEPOWER V8 in a car that size and it only gets 4.2 0-60 mph with a top speed of 180 to 185 mph?! I bet the Germans and Italians are laughing.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Captaingomes
Posted 2004-01-04 18:33:10 and read 3729 times.

The Germans and Italians wont be laughing if the Corvette gets better lap times than Porsche 911s and Ferrari 360 Modenas. I am a Porsche fanatic, but I will freely admit that the current 911 lacks inspiration. I can't wait to see the new 997, and Porsche better put some more passion into it.

The current 911 Carrera 4S and the Turbo are nice though  Smile

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: DeltaSFO
Posted 2004-01-04 18:43:45 and read 3725 times.

A SIX LITRE, FOUR HUNDRED HORSEPOWER V8 in a car that size and it only gets 4.2 0-60 mph with a top speed of 180 to 185 mph?! I bet the Germans and Italians are laughing.

Considering that it's as fast as or faster than either of their competing offerings, I doubt they find it all that funny.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Jutes85
Posted 2004-01-04 21:46:40 and read 3686 times.

For example, Ford Explorers have done more damage to the environment as a whole than Chevrolet Corvettes. Let's not take away what little we can enjoy in today's society.

Actually, i believe that the biggest consumers of oil is the aircraft. Am I wrong?

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Superfly
Posted 2004-01-05 01:40:53 and read 3649 times.

Captiangomes:
I will rephrase by saying that America's fetish with SUV's, most people not actually making use of their capabilities, has a greater negative effect on the environment than does the sale of a small number of sports cars.

OK, I've calmed down now. Big grin



Jutes85:
Actually, i believe that the biggest consumers of oil is the aircraft. Am I wrong?

OK are you against aviation too?  Confused

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Dc10guy
Posted 2004-01-05 02:03:45 and read 3635 times.

Junk pure GM junk... The sad thing is people still buy that junk. Waste of money.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Jutes85
Posted 2004-01-05 02:35:55 and read 3623 times.

OK are you against aviation too?

No, i'm just saying that since everyone looks at how the North Americans pollute with thier useless SUV's, why has no one looked at aircraft that consume thousands of gallons of fuel per flight.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: DeltaSFO
Posted 2004-01-05 02:49:40 and read 3617 times.

Junk pure GM junk... The sad thing is people still buy that junk. Waste of money.

As opposed to what?

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Superfly
Posted 2004-01-05 02:57:03 and read 3616 times.

Jutes85:
No, i'm just saying that since everyone looks at how the North Americans pollute with thier useless SUV's, why has no one looked at aircraft that consume thousands of gallons of fuel per flight.

OK let's look at it. What suggestions would you like to make? Your talking as if aviation is a problem.
Please school us a little more as to what you are getting at.


I'd like to see some comparisons to the Ford GT.
I know the Ford is using a smaller engine. A 5.4 liter V8.



Dc10guy:
Let's not knock GMs only good product.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: DeltaSFO
Posted 2004-01-05 03:02:39 and read 3612 times.

'fly....

He's probably another bitter Ford guy. It must be tough to like Fords and Douglases. How's it feel to be perpetually in second place, huh?  Big grin

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Superfly
Posted 2004-01-05 03:11:33 and read 3606 times.

DeltaSFO:
Those are some fightin' words!  Pissed  Big grin

I am actually a Ford guy myself.
I will give credit ware credit is due. You know the kind of cars I like and yes Ford makes the best in that class. Ford trucks are the best too. Just look at the number of commercial trucks that are Ford. GMs heavy duty trucks uses a rice-rocket engine. An Izusi Duramax diesel. GM should be ashamed of themselves. Dodge uses Cummings which is good but Ford makes there very own diesel.
GM gave up on full-sized and luxury sedans. They also gave up on convertibles and pony cars. I wouldn't be suprised if GM gave up on automobiles all together. GM may go the Boeing route and consider making sunglasses and milkshake blenders.  Sad

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Jutes85
Posted 2004-01-05 03:13:05 and read 3603 times.

Your talking as if aviation is a problem.

If i thought it was a problem, i would say it is.






Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: IMissPiedmont
Posted 2004-01-05 03:14:23 and read 3602 times.

No, i'm (sic) just saying that since everyone looks at how the North Americans pollute with thier (sic) useless SUV's, why has no one looked at aircraft that consume thousands of gallons of fuel per flight.

I think that you might consider the fuel usage on an airliner flying 300 people from SFO-MIA vs the fuel usage of 200-300 cars getting 30 MPG. The aircraft will use less fuel.

But I am off topic. I want a Corvette as much today as I did in 1967. Not in the slightest. The last good looking Vette was built in 1967. At least this one looks better than the 1970s and 1980s travesties.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Superfly
Posted 2004-01-05 03:18:25 and read 3598 times.

IMissPiedmont:
But I am off topic.

No your post was on topic.
I am still waiting for an explanation from Jutes85 in regards to aviation and pollution.
Again Jutes85, school us a little more as to what you are getting at.  Confused


Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Continental
Posted 2004-01-05 03:18:56 and read 3598 times.

It's nice, but I prefer the ones with the flip up lights.

co

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Jutes85
Posted 2004-01-05 03:19:53 and read 3594 times.

I think that you might consider the fuel usage on an airliner flying 300 people from SFO-MIA vs the fuel usage of 200-300 cars getting 30 MPG. The aircraft will use less fuel.

I think that you might consider the amount of fuel used to transport lets say 5 bus loads of people from LA to New York, versus the amount of fuel used to transport the same amount of people on an aircraft. The aircraft will use more fuel.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Superfly
Posted 2004-01-05 03:22:27 and read 3593 times.

Jutes85:
The 5 buses going from LA - NY will pollute longer because that hell of a trip will take 5 days.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Jutes85
Posted 2004-01-05 03:26:44 and read 3590 times.

Pollute, possibly, I think that Diesel buses pollute less then most aircraft.

I was refering to the fuel usage. Still, a bus uses diesel, while jetfuel is almost 99 Octane, now that is a waist.

I'm in no way implying that Aviation is a problem. The only problem is that it has gone down since 9/11, unfortunately. I love to fly and if I had places to go, i'd go by airplane.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: IMissPiedmont
Posted 2004-01-05 03:42:31 and read 3583 times.

Sorry Jutes85. You are wrong about even buses using less fuel. A 747, or 777, or 767 or A330 etc will carry more people and cargo over 1000+ miles for a lower fuel usage than anything but a train or a ship. That is cost per seat mile or ton mile.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Jutes85
Posted 2004-01-05 04:10:22 and read 3574 times.

Either way you cut it, we better get those hydrogen cells going!

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Superfly
Posted 2004-01-05 04:24:22 and read 3566 times.

Jutes85:
Would you be screaming "hydrogen cells" if this thread was about some dinky mini-van or some VW compact?

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: BR715-A1-30
Posted 2004-01-05 04:30:40 and read 3561 times.

AND ITS A 4-HOLER TOO!!!!!!  Big thumbs up

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Jutes85
Posted 2004-01-05 04:31:03 and read 3560 times.

Superfly,

no, because those "dinky" mini-van's and compacts don't consume waistful amounts of gas.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Captaingomes
Posted 2004-01-05 04:56:14 and read 3552 times.

Mr. Fly ... Ford doesn't in fact design their own diesels, it is Navistar. In fact, the new F150 was supposed to have a new 4.0 or 4.5 turbo diesel designed by Navistar, and it was cancelled at the last minute. Why, I don't know. Here was a great opportunity for Ford to invest in diesels in a market where I am sure it would do well.

Also, the new 6.0 Powerstroke has been plagued with problems. There have been far too many that have ceased running already, due to manufacturing quality problems. I think it had something to do with some seal that let oil go to the wrong places, and causing the engine to quit. Now, I read this quite a few times in different places, so instead of telling me to provide a source, do some research on the net, and you'll likely find it quickly.

About GM using the Isuzu designed Duramax, well, good for them! Their old 6.2 and 6.5 were POS engines! GM had to do something, because their reputation with diesels was abysmal. Since they own part of Isuzu anyways, why not use their mastery of commercial diesel engines and put it to good use? The Duramax has been doing extremely well, and has proven very reliable and long-lasting.

But nothing, absolutely nothing will beat the Cummins. Rumours have it that the Cummins will be available in the Nissan Titan eventually. If that's the case, at least it will be in a good truck at last.  Big grin

What does this all have to do with the Corvette? I dunno. Still a very nice car for GM.  Smile

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Alpha 1
Posted 2004-01-05 05:00:06 and read 3547 times.

A car is a car. It's transportation. I've never understood why people go so nuts over something designed to get you from point A to point B, or why people are willing to shell out ridiculous amounts of money for a car simply for "status".

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Lehpron
Posted 2004-01-05 05:06:55 and read 3544 times.

How is 500 horses a biggie? Didn't Ford give a '93 Mustang an 800Hp BOSS engine? Stick one of those puppies in there, bye competition.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Dufo
Posted 2004-01-05 05:07:56 and read 3544 times.

Alpha 1 such cars are made to get you from point A to.. point A!

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: FDXmech
Posted 2004-01-05 05:14:15 and read 3541 times.

>>>I was refering to the fuel usage. Still, a bus uses diesel, while jetfuel is almost 99 Octane, now that is a waist.<<<

Sorry to inform you but jet fuel is basically kerosene. 100 octane is gasoline. Where's the waste now?

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Flight152
Posted 2004-01-05 05:15:44 and read 3539 times.

A car is a car. It's transportation. I've never understood why people go so nuts over something designed to get you from point A to point B, or why people are willing to shell out ridiculous amounts of money for a car simply for "status".

An obvious comment from a minivan driver

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Alpha 1
Posted 2004-01-05 05:29:49 and read 3527 times.

An obvious comment from a minivan driver..

An obvious comment-mine, that is-from someone who thinks it's freaking silly that people get excited over something on wheels. It's just infantile, in my view.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Boeing4ever
Posted 2004-01-05 05:32:44 and read 3524 times.

An obvious comment-mine, that is-from someone who thinks it's freaking silly that people get excited over something on wheels. It's just infantile, in my view.

Would the same therefore apply to every member's excitement over things with wings? (I'm not talking about sanitary pads Singapore_Air, keep your pants on.)

B4e-Forever New Frontiers

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Captaingomes
Posted 2004-01-05 06:16:37 and read 3504 times.

Alpha1, why is it that if somebody enjoys a nice car, it is automatically for "status", as you put it? I can tell you right away, I like many fine automobiles, but I don't care at all for the image that is attached to them. I also find it funny how you attribute the passion for automobiles as "childish." Your beloved country, the US of A owes much of its culture to the success of the automobile. There is nothing childish about that, and the Corvette is definitely one of the automobiles that Americans should be proud of. Whatever is designed into the Corvette will trickle down to the average vehicles that people such as yourself prefer to drive.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Superfly
Posted 2004-01-05 06:57:19 and read 3496 times.

Jutes85:
no, because those "dinky" mini-van's and compacts don't consume waistful amounts of gas.

Those dinky mini-vans still sit up high and impairs vision for divers in cars.



Captiangomes:
How come so many Ford 7.3 liter diesels are still in commercial service with well over 200,000 miles on them?
Was that designed by Navistar also?

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Captaingomes
Posted 2004-01-05 07:07:49 and read 3492 times.

Superfly, the 7.3 is a fantastic engine. As far as I know, yes it is also a Navistar engine. The new 6.0 has had very serious problems, but I feel it too will live up to the standards of the 7.3 in time. Problems exist with every company from time to time. Maybe these problems had something to do with the smaller diesel for the F150 being canned.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Kay
Posted 2004-01-05 13:29:05 and read 3481 times.

It looks like a c5 with the wrong nose.

Here's a real sports car



Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: MEA310
Posted 2004-01-05 14:38:18 and read 3471 times.

The corvette's headlamp are very similar to those of the ferrari shown above,is it a 456?! That is one sweet but expensive car! Sad

MEA310

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Uta_flyingHIGH
Posted 2004-01-05 14:42:28 and read 3468 times.

Pictured above is the 360 Modena, not the 456.
Now how about pricing for the new 'Vette ?
Anyways, I'll have an RS4 or RS6 anyday.
UTA

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Alpha 1
Posted 2004-01-05 14:43:33 and read 3466 times.

Boeing4Ever, taht applies to anything like that. I work for the airlines, it doesn't mean I go nuts every time I see an aircraft.  Smile

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous
Username: Racko
Posted 2004-01-05 14:51:56 and read 3465 times.

The 360 Modena sucks, it doesn't look like a real Ferrari.

Now that was beautiful design:

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Kay
Posted 2004-01-05 15:05:25 and read 3462 times.

Racko

I was sure I'll regret posting a pic of this Ferrari  Big thumbs up. The 308, 288GTO, F40 and of course, the most beautiful "low-end" Ferrari in my eyes too, the 355, would have suited better. But the nose of the C6 does look like that of the 360... which stays a real sports car, regardless of the not so esthetic (but terribly efficient aerodynamically speaking) nose.

kay

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Stretch 8
Posted 2004-01-05 15:55:08 and read 3452 times.

Good luck to the C6. I agree that the comments above about the similarity to the Dodge Viper, and Ferarri.

BTW, if you check out this year's auto shows, have a look at the Chevy concept "Bel Air" convertible. Alsom the planned 2005 Ford Mustang looks to be a bit winner!

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Matt D
Posted 2004-01-05 15:59:01 and read 3450 times.

2005 Corvette: MSRP: $45,000

$10,000 parts
$35,000 emblem.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: AirJamPanAm
Posted 2004-01-05 16:03:35 and read 3443 times.

Yea the Corvette is an improvement, but what the hell is Ford doing to the new Mustang, what an ugly piece of machinery.
They simply rebadged an older version and not a pretty one neither!
yuck!

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Greg
Posted 2004-01-05 16:12:43 and read 3438 times.

If your in the market for a sports car and can afford one---buy one. Any car analyst will likely agree.
It's probably the most engine/technology combination you can get for the price.

As GM has stated before, they lose at least $10K on every unit sold because of the development cost to re-engineer every four or five years. So, it's not a cash cow....just a prestige vehicle for the moniker.

Like it or hate it...it's a decent value in terms of performance.

Visually, well...I'll agree with all of the above.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: MEA310
Posted 2004-01-05 16:21:43 and read 3433 times.

Kay

You forgot to mention the F50,that's a piece of art not to ever forget!!

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Kay
Posted 2004-01-05 16:37:49 and read 3428 times.

MEA310,

you're rigth  Big thumbs up

actually, the F50 had some flaws compared to the F40 at its time and the Enzo today. little things like vibrations due to the engine block playing the role of the rear chassis, not really something one is obliged to put up with for road use, and an engine not nearly as powerful as necessary to beat the Mclarn-F1, last decade's performance master, and still today.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: EA CO AS
Posted 2004-01-05 18:11:50 and read 3416 times.

Considering that it's as fast as or faster than either of their competing offerings, I doubt they find it all that funny.

I'd imagine they're not laughing considering that the Corvette is about half as much as the least expensive offering from Lamborghini or Ferrari.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Bruno
Posted 2004-01-05 18:51:18 and read 3405 times.

AirJamPanAm

I guess you don't know much about cars. The Ford Mustang was NEVER a competitor to the Corvette. That competed against the Camero now discontinued
The Ford GT is positioned against the Corvette.
The new Mustang is based off the Lincoln LS and Ford Thunderbird platform. Not at all an old design as you've stated.


Strech8, are you serious? There will be a Chevy Bel Aire convertible? SWEET!  Big thumbs up

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Kay
Posted 2004-01-05 19:29:51 and read 3394 times.


I'd imagine they're not laughing considering that the Corvette is about half as much as the least expensive offering from Lamborghini or Ferrari.


actually the vette has a better performance/price ratio, but that's normal, the higher you go in performance, the exponentially higher you go in price. Those last few 1/100th of seconds cost the most.

I don't think they're laughing because the vette is in another market. Now in that market, it is a serious contender. However, again, those who want a European sports car rarely end up in a vette, and vice-versa. In any case, the vette market was never huge in Europe. Still, I always had respect for the huge V8. "culbuté". But I never like the plastic body.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: AirJamPanAm
Posted 2004-01-05 19:33:18 and read 3394 times.

Hey Bruno.. I wasn't doing a comparison between the Corvette and the Mustang, I was just commenting on ANOTHER redesigned American icon car.
The new Car and Driver has an extensive review with pictures of the new Mustang.
They clearly admit to raiding what they thought were thing things done right on prior Mustangs.
I'm not much into that retro luck of muscle cars of yore.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: L-188
Posted 2004-01-06 05:04:23 and read 3365 times.

A car is a car. It's transportation. I've never understood why people go so nuts over something designed to get you from point A to point B, or why people are willing to shell out ridiculous amounts of money for a car simply for "status".

An obvious comment from a minivan driver


Or a woman  Laugh out loud

I actually like the lines of the 05 Mustang based on the photos I have seen.

I thought the old 7.3 Ford Diesel was an International Havester Motor, like the older 6.5 was.

I still think the Cummins Diesel in the Dodge P/U's are the best Diesel motors out there.

I can't picture myself putting an Izuzu Diesel in anything, Maybe if I had to choose between that and an Perkins plant but the fact that Chevy is using it is not a selling point.

I thought Chevy a few years back had made a deal with Caterpiller to use one of their motors in their trucks?

My brother swears by the new Ford Diesel, which he drives in two of the fire trucks down at the local VFD. Problems with the Fords up here has been because of those new gaskets they are using in trucks, lot of blow past problems when they get really cold.

What the hell ever happened to Cork gaskets?

Still I might have got for the new 150 when I brought my 04 heritage in November.

Well maybe not, it still is the first year of production, and as they say in aviation, "Never fly the A model of anything!"

I do hope that smaller diesel is released. If Volkswagon could figure out how to build a diesel that would fit in a Rabbit/Golf, then you would think the big 3 could too.

For Dodge there is no excuse not to have a diesel in the Dakota, I know that Mercedes makes acceptable diesels for that truck, and they are part of the same parent company.


Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Captaingomes
Posted 2004-01-06 05:15:23 and read 3364 times.

Chrysler will test the diesel market with the Jeep Liberty diesel. Depending on how that does, they will offer other diesel powered vehicles too.

The only drawback to me regarding the Duramax is it has a timing belt instead of a chain. This in the name of reduced engine noise.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: L-188
Posted 2004-01-06 05:17:18 and read 3362 times.

The Liberty isn't a work vehicle though.

I think that may be where the market actually is.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Boeing4ever
Posted 2004-01-06 05:54:33 and read 3352 times.

Boeing4Ever, taht applies to anything like that. I work for the airlines, it doesn't mean I go nuts every time I see an aircraft.

Touche! Had to add that comment though, as you left yourself so widely open with that one.  Big grin

B4e-Forever New Frontiers

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: AWspicious
Posted 2004-01-06 06:07:15 and read 3350 times.

With the number of TDi Golfs and Jettas being sold (here, anyway), I'm sure there is a market for day-to-day diesel engine automobiles... and not just as "work vehicles". Volkswagen has really civilized the diesel engine in their cars and many people are jumping on the chinsey consumption/mega mileage band wagon.

aw

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Sebolino
Posted 2004-01-06 10:32:05 and read 3331 times.

Another very useful car for small sized boys.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Greg
Posted 2004-01-06 17:00:03 and read 3315 times.

It's a nice toy for those of us that are achievers.

For all you underachievers who think they are bought because of dick size.....eat our dust!

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Bruno
Posted 2004-01-06 17:39:04 and read 3305 times.

Another very useful car for small sized boys.


Wouldn't that be an SUV anyways?

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: AvObserver
Posted 2004-01-07 01:18:36 and read 3290 times.

Nice update but it's more evolutionary, not a dramatic change from the C5. What needs to be improved is the quality, Consumer Reports surveys still show much worse than average reliability. Great performance bargain with reasonable gas mileage but the car needs a heavy infusion of build-quality. Without that, it'll never be truly world-class. Hopefully, C6 is a big improvement but if not, GM may have to explore its' Toyota connection for ways on how to tighten up fit and finish for its' sports car baby. However, ditching the hideaway headlights made lots of sense, don't know why the car persisted so long with those; it really looks better to me without them.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Bruno
Posted 2004-01-07 01:40:10 and read 3285 times.

However, ditching the hideaway headlights made lots of sense, don't know why the car persisted so long with those; it really looks better to me without them.

I disagree. It makes the car look more ordinary. Corvettes aren't supposed to look ordinary.
I think this was another typical penny pinching cost cutting move by General Motors. I doubt this had anything to do with performance and aerodynamics.
Now the headlight aren't much different than a Honda Civic or Mitsubishi Eclipse.  Sad

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: DeltaSFO
Posted 2004-01-07 02:02:15 and read 3278 times.

Actually Bruno, the 2005 Corvette will finally have a decent set of headlamps. Ever driven a Corvette over about 90 mph at night? I can tell you that it can be somewhat scary, even with high beams on.

The HID headlamps on the C6 will be up to the task of providing good, sufficient illumination for high speed driving at night. The C6 will also be able to flash the brights even when the headlamps are turned off, which is a nice feature when you want to get around somebody.

How they look, I guess, is a matter of personal opinion. I think they look great. Yes, it's clear that there are, shall we say, Italian influences apparent in the design, but then again, when you're putting exposed headlamps on a design that is so sleek, there aren't a whole lot of ways you can do it. GM managed to do it without looking too blatantly like the Viper or 360 Modena.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Kay
Posted 2004-01-07 13:43:25 and read 3249 times.

One thing is sure, this post is making me crave to run off the office down the parking and take a spin in my car

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Bruno
Posted 2004-01-07 17:52:23 and read 3238 times.

DeltaSFO


Ever driven a Corvette over about 90 mph at night? I can tell you that it can be somewhat scary, even with high beams on.


Ok so is this a problem indicative of pop-up headlights or the build quality of the Corvette? Ferrari and a few other excotic high-end sports cars have this feature. Do they also have visability problems at night?

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Sebolino
Posted 2004-01-07 20:20:14 and read 3227 times.

It's a nice toy for those of us that are achievers

Achievers ? You mean ... your goal in life is to have a sport car to impress your friend ? AH AH AH AH.

What an achievment !! AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Bruno
Posted 2004-01-07 21:01:16 and read 3222 times.

Why are some of you bashing the Corvette over "achievment" and "environmental concerns"?

The Corvette is targetting less than 5% of the market.
Look at all those other idiots in SUVs made by Mercedes, Lexus and Cadillac. A hell of a lot more of those SUVs will sell than the Corvette. 100% of those SUVs are bought to show off there "achievment".
Even the little Monteros and Troopers are more dangerous than a Corvette because they tip.


Leave the Corvette alone!

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Kay
Posted 2004-01-07 21:45:21 and read 3218 times.

Ever occurred to those who are bashing this car that some people might just like fine automobiles? That is, automobiles with history, character, noble mechanical characteristics, performance or whatever makes a fine automobile. Just like those who like fine cuisine, state of the art photographic equipment, or... planes!!! It is a passion.

Regarding the environment problem, I agree, eventhough this also tends to be US-specific problem since the automotive paysage in the US is made of cars that really have very little concern in terms of efficiency, power-to-engine size ratio, fuel consumption and other stuff. This corvette, even in its niche of voracious and environmentally-disastrous cars, is no exception. 6.0Litres will consume accordingly, and Ferrari extracts 400bhp out of a 3.6Litres withOUT a turbo/supercharger.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: RockyRacoon
Posted 2004-01-07 21:57:30 and read 3213 times.




It's still no Stingray

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Espion007
Posted 2004-01-07 22:01:42 and read 3211 times.

Damn!thats one kick-ass car.I still like the enzo ferrari a bit more...



but i dun have $625,000US to spend,so a $51,000 corvette is kewl.Would help if i had a driver's liscense to :-(

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: 777236ER
Posted 2004-01-07 22:06:54 and read 3209 times.

It's still no Stingray

You're right there.



Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: DeltaSFO
Posted 2004-01-07 22:32:51 and read 3200 times.

Ok so is this a problem indicative of pop-up headlights or the build quality of the Corvette? Ferrari and a few other excotic high-end sports cars have this feature. Do they also have visability problems at night?

No, it's a problem common to sports cars with concealed headlamps. High Intensity Discharge headlamps cannot be used efficiently in flip up designs because the lamps get so hot that they need that large outer lens area to diffuse the heat generated by the headlamp.

Interestingly enough, Europe-bound C5s are equipped with completely different headlamp assemblies than the North American models. Knowing that C5s sent to Europe, particularly Germany, would see a much higher percentage of high speed nighttime driving than the North American cars, GM equipped them with more costly headlamp assemblies containing much more powerful halogen headlamps. They still were no match for the car's capabilities, and that was when they made the final decision that the next Corvette would simply have to have fixed, exposed headlamps.

I do miss the flip ups. They were a Corvette trademark, just like the four round tail lamps. But change is sometimes necessary. The Vette is getting more powerful, it's getting faster, and GM wanted the C6 to be the first truly world class Corvette. That's why they're touting the huge improvements in build quality and materials, not just performance and technology. They knew it had to have a decent set of headlamps on it if it was going to be considered acceptable for around the clock high speed use, especially by European customers.

And I still think they did the exposed headlamps beautifully. The C6 has beautiful "eyes". The styling of the C6 combines evolution from the C5, heritage marks from previous generations, and still manages to look very futuristic and sleek. Contrast that with the 2005 Ford Mustang, which is completely and entirely a cheap ripoff of the 1964 original.

Regarding the environment problem, I agree, eventhough this also tends to be US-specific problem since the automotive paysage in the US is made of cars that really have very little concern in terms of efficiency, power-to-engine size ratio, fuel consumption and other stuff. This corvette, even in its niche of voracious and environmentally-disastrous cars, is no exception. 6.0Litres will consume accordingly, and Ferrari extracts 400bhp out of a 3.6Litres withOUT a turbo/supercharger.

Just FYI, the Corvette gets far better gas mileage than any Ferrari. The C5 gets 19 mpg in urban driving, 28 mpg on the freeway, which is almost as good as a Honda Accord V-6. The C6 will be equally efficient. The Ferrari 360 Modena is rated at 11 mpg urban / 16 mpg highway. That's worse than a Chevy Suburban with the larger 6.0L engine option!

Ferrari extracts 400 bhp out of a 3.6 liter V-8 by using an extremely high winding, peaky design. The Corvette has a much more broad power band, making it more responsive and easier to drive in normal situations and nearly twice as fuel efficient with equal peak horsepower and about 30% better low end torque.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Bruno
Posted 2004-01-07 23:07:54 and read 3186 times.

DeltaSFO


Thanks. Very well explained.  Big thumbs up
Those touting peak HP fail to mention the RPMS and torque.

Sounds like the Vette wins!

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Kay
Posted 2004-01-07 23:51:12 and read 3162 times.


Just FYI, the Corvette gets far better gas mileage than any Ferrari.


6.0Litres is way more than needed for only 400bhp. We are in 2004. No offense, but technology was never the strong of vettes. The C5 still used a central shaft to drive the valves, with "culbuteurs" (in French). One European car still has that design and it is the Renault Twingo  Innocent. Also, I think Renault dropped that old "cléon" in 2002.
Don't forget the boats of the 80's and 90's, the SUV concept and right about everything else.  Yeah sure

Twist it the way you want, American cars are a joke in terms of fuel efficiency and especially engine size to power output ratio.

actually, it is my mistake to compare the vette to an F360. The F360 is too fast, too expensive, in another category. Look at the Porsche Carrera instead. And that one beats the vette on fuel consumption, but also most everything else that constitutes the fact sheet of a car.


Those touting peak HP fail to mention the RPMS and torque.
Sounds like the Vette wins!


I am no fan of the strident sounding Honda Vtec engines that suit better a motorcycle. But there are compromises and extremes, and the huge V8 of the corvette is on the other extreme. Anyway each one to his own.  Big thumbs up

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Bruno
Posted 2004-01-08 00:01:51 and read 3153 times.

Technology smology blah, blah!
400HP out of a 6.0 V8 is damn good.

I can remember when Cadillac had an 8.2 liter V8 that put out 190HP.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous
Username: Racko
Posted 2004-01-08 00:19:40 and read 3149 times.

"400HP out of a 6.0 V8 is damn good."

Uhm, BMW gets 350HP out of a 3.2 I6...

"I can remember when Cadillac had an 8.2 liter V8 that put out 190HP."

That's embarassing for Cadillac, but has nothing to do with modern-day engine technology.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Bruno
Posted 2004-01-08 00:45:35 and read 3146 times.

wacko

Who cares about BMWs 350HP when it's at 9,000RPMs.

The Caddies had style, the new Corvettes has power and style and the BMWs, well um bland an overpriced.
What ever floats your boat.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: AvObserver
Posted 2004-01-08 00:52:30 and read 3145 times.

"It's still no Stingray" "You're right there."

Damn! I thought I was the only one who remembered that old marionette show! Marina, the mermaid, was cute for a wooden puppet.  Big grin

"Look at the Porsche Carrera instead. And that one beats the vette on fuel consumption, but also most everything else that constitutes the fact sheet of a car."

Yes but the 'Vette is still a lot less expensive with roughly equal performance. A big block OHV V8 may be old tech but it gets the job done. It may not have the cache of the 'more sophisticated' Porsche but it's a relative bargain compared to the Carrera. And don't forget, the new Z06 will have 500 HP!



Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: DeltaSFO
Posted 2004-01-08 02:00:24 and read 3140 times.

actually, it is my mistake to compare the vette to an F360. The F360 is too fast, too expensive, in another category. Look at the Porsche Carrera instead. And that one beats the vette on fuel consumption, but also most everything else that constitutes the fact sheet of a car.

Well, the C5 Z06 and F360 are roughly equal in terms of performance. Z06 accelerates slightly faster, F360 handles slightly better. Z06 gas mileage is almost two times better.

Comparing a 6 speed manual Porsche Carrera to a 6 speed manual C5 Coupe, the C5 is actually faster and still gets slightly better fuel mileage with the same 19 urban / 28 highway as the Z06 vs. 18 urban / 26 highway for the Porsche.

I know a lot of technology snobs look down on the Corvette for not having an overhead four cam design with 4 valves per cylinder, but the pushrod (your culbuteurs, Kay) design that the C5 uses generates outstanding low end power, and technology enhancements have allowed GM engineers to make the pushrod engines breathe as efficiently as overhead cam engines at high RPM's.

Corvette engine technology is different from most European sports car engine techology. You're hard pressed, though, to convince me that it's inferior to the competition when it's equal or superior in terms of how much power it generates, how it generates that power (over a broad band throughout the rev range, or just at peak, high RPM), and clearly superior in terms of fuel consumption.

These are not the old, unrefined big block engines of yesteryear. These are computer designed, aluminum alloy engines, capable of delivering their massive power in a smooth and civilized manner.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Superfly
Posted 2004-01-08 04:49:18 and read 3127 times.

Bruno:
Thanks for taking care of that and pointing out those key facts.

Those 'refined' German cars with certainly 'refine' your bank account when they need regular maintenace and repairs. They cost more up front and cost more to keep up. How fun can that be?

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Flight152
Posted 2004-01-08 05:19:02 and read 3116 times.

Those 'refined' German cars with certainly 'refine' your bank account when they need regular maintenace and repairs.

I had twice as many problems with my Olds Alero then I do with my BMW 328i. Even though repairs are more expensive, they happen far fewer times.

The Caddies had style

I like how you use past tense, which is correct.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Superfly
Posted 2004-01-08 05:26:10 and read 3115 times.

Flight152:
Ouch! Embarrassment
We don't talk about the Alero's or any front drive GM product. Embarrassment

Caddies no longer have the style they used to have. The last Cadillac was the 1996 Fleetwood Brougham.

Thank God we can always rely on Lincoln to make a quality luxury sedan.  Smile

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Flight152
Posted 2004-01-08 05:38:13 and read 3113 times.

Hell, The seat heaters even broke on my dad's 2002 Bravada. Not to mention the brakes needed replacment after 18,000 miles. Another quality GM product..i'm glad we ditched it.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2004-01-08 06:14:59 and read 3110 times.

"Huh? Where am I upset? Your mom's 6 cylinder Intrepid is slower than my dad's 4 cylinder Passat."

Im falling out of my chair here man laughing so hard...

"I guess you don't know much about cars. The Ford Mustang was NEVER a competitor to the Corvette. That competed against the Camero now discontinued"

Lets try this, speak slowly my good friend. C-A-M-A-R-O...emphasize the second A and you will be ok.

"Another very useful car for small sized boys. "

Nice generalization, BTW can I borrow your Mercedes A Class...My neighbor is depressed and he needs a good laugh.

"One thing is sure, this post is making me crave to run off the office down the parking and take a spin in my car"

Let me know, ill take my Impala SS Lingie out of the garage and gladly slap you silly.

"Just FYI, the Corvette gets far better gas mileage than any Ferrari. The C5 gets 19 mpg in urban driving, 28 mpg on the freeway, which is almost as good as a Honda Accord V-6. The C6 will be equally efficient. The Ferrari 360 Modena is rated at 11 mpg urban / 16 mpg highway. That's worse than a Chevy Suburban with the larger 6.0L engine option!"

Surprising that never comes up during the California Greenpeace conventions eh?

"We don't talk about the Alero's or any front drive GM product. "

Quality 01' 4WD and 96' RWD is where its at in GM  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: L-188
Posted 2004-01-08 06:50:30 and read 3103 times.

I donno, we have had two front Cavaliers in my family a 96 and my old 00 and both of them did quite alright.

If I lived in the lower 48 I probably would have kept mine.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Flight152
Posted 2004-01-08 06:54:36 and read 3102 times.

Peter.. Let's be honest. The Chevy Blazer is far from anything near "quality".

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Cwapilot
Posted 2004-01-08 14:18:43 and read 3091 times.

Good to see some picked up on the Dodge Viper resemblance...GM 'acquired' the heart of the Dodge Viper design team. Their current media campaign (We know we have sucked for the past 20 years, but we're different now...trust us!) is a product of another 'acquired' Chrysler executive. Some original drawings of this Corvette looked, apparently, too obviously a Dodge Viper rip-off, so some changes were made. And, when you look closely, GM's entire Pontiac lineup will be direct Chrysler rip-offs (using the design philosophy Chrysler is now, sadly, abandoning for something about as ugly and 'angry household appliance"-looking as the rest of the GM lineup), while Chevy's inherit an new ugliness all their own...while GM talks of shedding Saturn, Chevy's (look at the new Malibu) look more and more like angry Saturns.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Buckfifty
Posted 2004-01-08 15:24:52 and read 3084 times.

The way that the Corvette gets these low official MPG figures is by using that damn CAGS (or skip shift) on the 6 speed ZF box, which locks out 2nd and 3rd gear during light to medium acceleration. It's annonying, and you know if it wasn't there, people won't be getting 19 MPG in the city. No one driving it like a proper sportscar would.

Not to say that the LT1 isn't a nice engine, but the fuel figures are highly misleading. The gimmick is just a way for GM to get around the CAFE regulations.

Therefore, for those people who are arguing the merits of fuel consumption in this thread, please stop. Proper sports car should be compared in a proper sportscar fashion, not by comparing fuel mileage.

Vroom.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Kay
Posted 2004-01-08 15:36:48 and read 3082 times.

A difference in perception and culture is the issue here. There are as many souped-up versions of Corvettes, Carreras and F360s as you want, to handle each other. The real question is the difference in culture.

LOT767-300ER, I didn't say I want to race you on free fall from the 10th floor  Big thumbs up (with your Impala SS), for me it's the road, on the tarmac.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: DeltaSFO
Posted 2004-01-08 17:21:54 and read 3073 times.

The way that the Corvette gets these low official MPG figures is by using that damn CAGS (or skip shift) on the 6 speed ZF box, which locks out 2nd and 3rd gear during light to medium acceleration. It's annonying, and you know if it wasn't there, people won't be getting 19 MPG in the city. No one driving it like a proper sportscar would.

Not to say that the LT1 isn't a nice engine, but the fuel figures are highly misleading. The gimmick is just a way for GM to get around the CAFE regulations.

Therefore, for those people who are arguing the merits of fuel consumption in this thread, please stop. Proper sports car should be compared in a proper sportscar fashion, not by comparing fuel mileage.


"Proper sports car fashion?" I don't know about you, but if I drove in a "proper sports car fashion" 100% of the time here in the Bay Area, I'd rear end somebody.  Big grin

I would add, however that the fuel figures are not exactly "highly misleading." It is true that these cars are tested by the featherfooted EPA folks. But I have a CAGS bypass device installed and I manage 15 to 16 mpg urban most of the time. That's without driving like a teenager and getting on it at every green light. The 28 mpg highway is 100% honest. 6th gear is extremely tall and perfect for relaxed and efficient highway cruising.

CAGS does not kick in under medium acceleration (ie 30% throttle application and up). As long as you don't drive completely like an old lady, CAGS will leave you alone most of the time.

But I agree that fuel consumption really shouldn't be an issue. These cars are intended to serve as toys, not kiddie shuttles or grocery haulers.

BTW the LT1 hasn't been in production on the Vette since 1996.

A difference in perception and culture is the issue here. There are as many souped-up versions of Corvettes, Carreras and F360s as you want, to handle each other. The real question is the difference in culture.

Kay, the figures I gave you were for stock Corvettes. Straight from the factory and bone stock, not souped up.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Kay
Posted 2004-01-08 17:47:08 and read 3067 times.


Kay, the figures I gave you were for stock Corvettes. Straight from the factory and bone stock, not souped up.


I am not questioning them (ok I'll close my eyes regarding the CAGS, and the 6th gear). In my original statement I meant the basic automatic corvette. You have the Z06, but you also have the Carrera GT3, biturbo, GT2 etc etc.

Here one has to agree there is a difference in philosophy. Two different ways of looking at the sports car concept. It's only recently that the two ways are starting to converge.

I know what you are talking about regarding the alloy C5 engine. There are interesting aspects to it. Also, Chevrolet recently introduced the Magne-Ride, a suspension that drew attention. Some things have changed since the days. But the "perception" that American cars are "different" will stay a little longer, and needs some time before it completely disappears. I think the C5, and the C4 ZR1 are of the very few American sports cars that presented serious opposition to their European counterpart. I am talking in general.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Captaingomes
Posted 2004-01-08 18:34:10 and read 3060 times.

Im falling out of my chair here man laughing so hard...

Why are you laughing? You're making yourself look like an idiot. I once showed EmiratesA345 that the 150 hp 2001 Passat 1.8T was faster than the Intrepid his mom drives (forget the year). However, the truly sad thing is this. I have said many times before, I don't buy cars based on quarter mile, 0-60 times, or any other performance measure. I buy cars based on the overall package. People who buy based on performance only (as in your case LOT) are only looking for bragging rights. Quite petty, if I may say so.

So in this instance, it must hurt both yours and Emirate's egos so badly that a 4 cylinder mid-sized German family sedan can beat (not by much though) a 6 cylinder mid-sized American family sedan. But let me reiterate. I don't care which car is faster. I'm above that childish nonsense. But if I feel the need to reply to the childish "my car will spank your car" BS, then I will, but only to put people in their place.

Anyways, a lot of the Europeans dis the Corvette because it is such an American symbol. It's bigger than the European sports cars. Has a bigger engine. It is less refined (in some cases). But let's face it. The Corvette can dance with Europeans costing twice as much. It deserves credit for that.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: DeltaSFO
Posted 2004-01-09 03:36:18 and read 3028 times.

Here one has to agree there is a difference in philosophy. Two different ways of looking at the sports car concept. It's only recently that the two ways are starting to converge.

I know what you are talking about regarding the alloy C5 engine. There are interesting aspects to it. Also, Chevrolet recently introduced the Magne-Ride, a suspension that drew attention. Some things have changed since the days. But the "perception" that American cars are "different" will stay a little longer, and needs some time before it completely disappears. I think the C5, and the C4 ZR1 are of the very few American sports cars that presented serious opposition to their European counterpart. I am talking in general.


I can agree completely with this post.  Big thumbs up

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Superfly
Posted 2004-01-09 03:42:34 and read 3024 times.

Great post folks.  Smokin cool

Too much emphasis is placed on horsepower and not which RPMs it's at.
I drove one of those new Mazda 6s that's supposed to be something like 225HP. That car was a gutless wonder. My 1987 Chrysler LeBaron convertible was faster and had more pick up with it's 2.2 liters 4 cylinder turbo engine rated at only 146HP @5200 RPMs.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: L-188
Posted 2004-01-09 06:21:41 and read 3012 times.

Exactly.

Horsepower through RPM is not the same as Horsepower through Displacement.

Or else an OX-5 and a Continental C-90 would be able to swing the same prop. Both are 90 HP motors after all.

They definately don't.

(I know I am oversimplifing the dynamics of prop aerodynamics but it still illistrates my point)

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Jaysit
Posted 2004-01-09 06:26:32 and read 3011 times.

That car has midlife crisis written all over it.

The two people I know who drive vettes are 44 and 43 - one a guy who looks like Will Ferrell doing his cool guy routine, and another a fat blond attorney who stuffs her fat butt into a miniskirt to gross the entire world out !

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: N754pr
Posted 2004-01-10 04:59:41 and read 2992 times.

Give me a Ferrari over that any day  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2004-01-10 09:10:34 and read 2975 times.

"Peter.. Let's be honest. The Chevy Blazer is far from anything near "quality".

Oh but it is...

"LOT767-300ER, I didn't say I want to race you on free fall from the 10th floor (with your Impala SS), for me it's the road, on the tarmac."

Unless you drive a modified M5 or 750 I will be having the last laugh

" have said many times before, I don't buy cars based on quarter mile, 0-60 times, or any other performance measure. I buy cars based on the overall package. People who buy based on performance only (as in your case LOT) are only looking for bragging rights. Quite petty, if I may say so. " What the hell does one get in a

Come again, I have an SUV for quarter mile times? No i have one so i can pack in stuff in it, traverse nicely through snow in it and tow and haul various things. Overall package? the ONLY thing the Passat has going for it is MPG. You know you cant win this argument, we have been through it possibly 10+ times.

"I drove one of those new Mazda 6s that's supposed to be something like 225HP. That car was a gutless wonder."

You want to talk about RPMs and horses you have to mention the RX-8.....

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous
Username: Racko
Posted 2004-01-10 13:34:34 and read 2974 times.

"
Unless you drive a modified M5 or 750 I will be having the last laugh"


You're kidding? A stock M5 smokes a stock Impala SS big time on the track, and even on the straights. If your car is modified, a comparsion with a modified M5 is just fair - and again the M5 smokes it.

"Come again, I have an SU), Fiji">SUV for quarter mile times? No i have one so i can pack in stuff in it, traverse nicely through snow in it and tow and haul various things. Overall package? the ONLY thing the Passat has going for it is MPG. You know you cant win this argument, we have been through it possibly 10+ times."

You can pack in lots of Stuff in a Passat Avant, you can haul quite a bit and unless you live in Alaska, and you need lots of snow to stop it. Not even mentioning that if you go for a Quattro-powered A4 or A6 Avant Diesel, you'll get much further in the snow than in most of the "SU"Vs.

"You want to talk about RPMs and horses you have to mention the RX-8....."

The RX-8 has a Wankel engine, a completly different approach. You can't compare its rpm's with an Otto engine.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Captaingomes
Posted 2004-01-10 18:30:18 and read 2962 times.

I hate braggers. Why? They never say "I love the feeling of the power my car produces on long straight-aways." Instead, they resort to childish remarks like "my car is faster than yours ha ha ha ha." Wow. Everybody, appreciate things for what they are, instead of trying to create a sense of superiority (which often is not the case, as shown above by some users). Those who have to brag all the time often are the ones with less to show for themselves.

In any case, when I talk about a "package" that means it has virtues that are aligned with my priorities in a car. It's subjective. Superfly's preferences for cars are vastly different to mine. I respect that, because he's usually respectful too. Usually.  Big grin

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Flight152
Posted 2004-01-10 19:01:16 and read 2958 times.

"Peter.. Let's be honest. The Chevy Blazer is far from anything near "quality".

Oh but it is...


Well oviously I am correct if that is the best argument you can come up with.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Alessandro
Posted 2004-01-10 19:57:34 and read 2953 times.

45KUS$, that´s a fair bit of money, I would prefer the Mazda RX8 even if it
was similar priced.
How many do they expect to sell? 10,000/year?

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: Superfly
Posted 2004-01-11 03:35:25 and read 2934 times.

Jaysit:
and another a fat blond attorney who stuffs her fat butt into a miniskirt...

 Wow!
What's her phone number?

Fat butt, mini-skirt, that's my kind of lady!  Smokin cool



That car has midlife crisis written all over it.

And what does a H2, Bmw X5, Porshe Cyanne, Mercedes M-class say?  Insane


At least the Corvette has style.


Captaingomes:
In any case, when I talk about a "package" that means it has virtues that are aligned with my priorities...


And Jaysit's Attourney friend sounds like a complete "package" too me!  Big thumbs up
Economicly independant blonde with fat butt in mini-skirt that's in to fast American cars? And she's past the husband hunt age too?
Fly her in NOW!  Laugh out loud  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: KGAI
Posted 2004-01-11 05:35:29 and read 2924 times.

"This corvette, even in its niche of voracious and environmentally-disastrous cars, is no exception. 6.0Litres will consume accordingly, and Ferrari extracts 400bhp out of a 3.6Litres withOUT a turbo/supercharger."

I'm surprised nobody has mentiond torque yet.

The new Corvette has 400lb/ft of torque.

The F360 has 275.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: DeltaSFO
Posted 2004-01-11 05:40:04 and read 2922 times.

Actually I mentioned that.

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: RayChuang
Posted 2004-01-11 06:46:22 and read 2911 times.

While the new Corvette is a nice car, I'm waiting for the next-generation Acura NSX that is now in late development. I've heard rumors of a Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) hybrid drivetrain that will allow the next-generation NSX to do 0-60 in well under 5 seconds but will get fuel efficiency some 60-70% higher than other sports cars in the same category. In short, an exoticar that isn't a gas guzzler.  Big thumbs up

Topic: RE: GM Unveils 2005 Corvette.... And It's Gorgeous!
Username: DeltaGuy
Posted 2004-01-12 19:09:32 and read 2879 times.

Nice....except I hate the parking lights always on...GM does this to alot of new cars, I think it looks pretty stupid if you ask me.

Otherwise...whata SWEET RIDE!!!!!!!!! Count on these being a headturner for awhile...even tho they look like a Viper  Big grin

DeltaGuy


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