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Topic: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Banco
Posted 2004-10-08 11:30:08 and read 2289 times.

Here we go again, the latest round of World Cup qualifying matches. Here's a selection of the European games on Saturday:

FIFA World Cup European Qualifying Group One
Finland v Armenia
Czech_Republic v Romania
FYR_Macedonia v Holland

FIFA World Cup European Qualifying Group Two
Ukraine v Greece
Turkey v Kazakhstan
Albania v Denmark

FIFA World Cup European Qualifying Group Three
Luxembourg v Russia
Slovakia v Latvia
Liechtenstein v Portugal

FIFA World Cup European Qualifying Group Four
Cyprus v Faroe_Islands
Israel v Switzerland
France v Rep_of_Ireland

FIFA World Cup European Qualifying Group Five
Scotland v Norway
Belarus v Moldova
Slovenia v Italy

FIFA World Cup European Qualifying Group Six
England v Wales
Azerbaijan v Northern_Ireland
Austria v Poland

FIFA World Cup European Qualifying Group Seven
Bosnia_Herzegovina v Serbia___Montenegro
Spain v Belgium

FIFA World Cup European Qualifying Group Eight
Sweden v Hungary
Malta v Iceland
Croatia v Bulgaria

Naturally, English and Welsh eyes are on the first meeting between the two sides for 20 years. England should win, but a battle between two British sides is never a foregone conclusion.

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Juanr
Posted 2004-10-08 14:52:17 and read 2245 times.

For South America:

On Saturday
Argentina Vs. Uruguay (Buenos Aires)
Bolivia Vs. Peru (La Paz)
Colombia Vs. Paraguay (Barranquilla)
Venezuela Vs. Brasil (Maracaibo)

On Sunday
Ecuador Vs. Chile (Quito)

Really interesting games, the top 4 teams qualify directly to the world cup and the fifth will have a chance to play an extra game, right now top 5 are:

Brasil 16
Argentina 15
Paraguay 14
Chile 12
Ecuador 10

But there are only a 2 points difference between the fifth and the ninth so its really interesting...we'll see.

Juan
SKBO



Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Banco
Posted 2004-10-08 14:59:32 and read 2246 times.

Apologies, Juan. I hadn't forgotten the South American, Asian, CONCACAF or Oceanian fistures; I did mean to write in the text that I'd let someone else put them up.

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Juanr
Posted 2004-10-08 16:19:10 and read 2232 times.

Don't worry Banco, there is a huge difference between our qualifier systems; we are almos half way down and its really interesting because each team has to play against all the others in the region; from the ten teams in the region 9 have qualified to a world cup.

It will be an interesting week....


Juan
SKBO

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Arsenal@LHR
Posted 2004-10-08 16:26:45 and read 2225 times.

England vs Wales is the interesting one, the last time we got to watch a meaningful match between the home nations was England vs Scotland in Euro 96. A repeat scoreline from that day tomorrow will do me fine thanks.  Smile

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Banco
Posted 2004-10-08 16:26:47 and read 2227 times.

Who never has then? Bolivia?

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Banco
Posted 2004-10-08 16:30:14 and read 2220 times.

You forget England v Scotland in the play-off double header for Euro 2000, Arsenal.

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Juanr
Posted 2004-10-08 16:36:23 and read 2216 times.

Banco:

Venezuela is the only team that has never been to a WC; Ecuador went in 2002, Bolivia in 1994, Peru way back in 1982, 1978, 1970...Colombia in 1962 and the three world cups in the 90s, as well as the usual representatives Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Paraguay, and Brasil which I think is the only team that have gone to all the WCs...

And we'll meet them next wednesday  Sad

Juan
SKBO

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Banco
Posted 2004-10-08 16:41:02 and read 2215 times.

Give 'em a good kicking Juan. That Ronaldo's crap.  Big grin

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Arsenal@LHR
Posted 2004-10-08 16:48:21 and read 2210 times.

Oh how could i forget? By no means will it be a stroll for England, but with a 3-man attack with Owen, Rooney and Defoe, you're looking at goals.

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Juanr
Posted 2004-10-08 16:49:47 and read 2208 times.

I wish we could...but it won't happen...perhaps it will be the same that happened four years ago, we were defending with 11th players the whole game and in the last minute they scored; they are dammed lucky. But at least they are not Argentina.....I don't want to start writing nasty things here so I better shut up.  Big grin

Juan
SKBO

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Banco
Posted 2004-10-08 17:01:54 and read 2203 times.

Well as you know England and Argentina have a long and close history of friendship on the football pitch...  Big grin

Feel free to have a pop. We might even join in. Big grin

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Derico
Posted 2004-10-08 22:11:06 and read 2178 times.

Quote by Juanr #10:

"...we were defending with 11th players the whole game and in the last minute they scored..."




Judging by the semifinal game in Lima, Colombia didn't change tactics much in four years  Innocent When teams attack Brasil or Argentina, those teams probably will lose. But they MAY also win. Better odds than hanging from the goalposts, then you probably will lose, and not have a chance to win at all.

BTW, you can say all the nasty things you want Juanr, it's not a big deal. I realized many Colombians had strong opinions when I first met some. At first I was really surprised because I didn't undersand it. 'Roces' (because I woudn't call them fights) between Colombians and Venezuelans are easy to figure, but not Colombians with Argentines. When I did understand it better I found it odd since Argentina is far from Colombia, we honestly don't have much daily interaction.

People in Argentina don't have 'serious' (that is, informed) opinions of your country because frankly it's not often in the radar screen. After 1993 people took more notice of Colombia, specially the football players and since then of course many come to play in the Argentine League, but beyond that your country is still rather unknown.

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Juanr
Posted 2004-10-09 01:56:02 and read 2165 times.

Derico:

That is why it hurts so much when we defeated you 5-0 in Buenos Aires.

Juan
SKBO

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Md11lover
Posted 2004-10-09 16:54:42 and read 2138 times.



Why is Kazakhstan playing in the European Qualifiers at not the Asian? As far as i know, Kazakhstan is a Central Asian country, therefore should play with the likes of Uzbekistan, Thailand, Japan, Saudia Arabia..etc.


MD11lover

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Derico
Posted 2004-10-09 17:17:19 and read 2135 times.

Juanr,

Not anymore, over 10 years. In a ironic twist, this game that for Colombians is very important makes it easier to befriend them, if you self-depricate! My first experience wasn't the best, but in College I met much friendlier Colombians. Two of them are good friends of mine, one a very educated 'Rolo', the other from Medellín.

From what I saw, they are Colombians of middle and upper class whom left for Florida to live, study or for security. Many seemed to know quite a bit about Argentina: they've watched our TV (videomatch, verano eterno, etc), know argentine motion pictures, and listen to Argentine Rock, specially Invasion Rock of the 80s: Soda, Cadillacs, Enanitos, Charly, or even early 70s Acoustic Rock like Sui Generis.

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: David_itl
Posted 2004-10-09 19:24:43 and read 2128 times.

England won 2-0. Did Wales turn up today? Very disappointed in their performance as it allowed England to dominate the game without having to exert themselves. Iy'll be interesting to see whom Fifa give the 1st goal to as the referee has indicated that it is Lampard but the footage shows it taking a big deflection of Owen's heel.

2nd goal by Beckham was outstanding - 25 yard curling shot into the top right hand corner of the goal. ON antoher day, the score could have 4-0 or 5-0 as Rooney played well, causing mayhem for the Welsh defence; he did make 1 mistake in not cutting back to any out of Defoe, Owen or Beckham when the score was 1-0.

Then we had the excellent play by Beckham to get himself booked so that he misses the game against Azerbaijan (no-one seems to have worked out that it's better for England if he misses that game than against better opponents!).

David

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Thom@s
Posted 2004-10-09 19:32:16 and read 2125 times.

Scotland - Norway 0-1.

A very even match, but Norway got the winning goal after one of the Scotland defenders forgot he wasn't a goalkeeper, and saved what would have been a Goal using his hand. Red card, and penalty for Norway. Former Tottenham and Wolverhampton player Steffen Iversen scored, and that was it.

Scotland produced their share of chances, and came closest after 2 saves off the line in 5 sec. (And I don't care what any scots say, the ball was never over the line.)  Smile

Paul Dickov should have been suspended in the first half, but was still Scotlands best player on the field.

Thom@s

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Arsenal@LHR
Posted 2004-10-09 21:53:29 and read 2105 times.

A good performance by England, the defence was solid, Campbell and Ferdinand were rock solid. Up front Rooney was outstanding, Owen looked sharp. Spare a thought for Frank Lampard, he get's better with every England game. And last but not least, Beckham reminded us he is still a world class player, that shot was a blinder. An all round good display by England.

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Saintsman
Posted 2004-10-09 22:03:16 and read 2103 times.

I too thought that it was clever of Beckham to get himself booked. But then I realised it was Beckham we were talking about. Still good goal though.

Oh dear Scotland. Is this the end of Bertie? Could it be that Gordon Strachan is waiting in the wings to take over? They need to do something although they were hampered by injuries.

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Thom@s
Posted 2004-10-09 23:29:55 and read 2087 times.

Beckham also out with broken rib....

Thom@s

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: EGGD
Posted 2004-10-09 23:38:53 and read 2091 times.

France held Ireland (I say this because, well.. Ireland played much better than France) in Paris, a great game and unlucky that Ireland couldn't have put a couple past the ever exuberant Barthez. Did anyone see that Slovenia beat Italy? Good thing I say, Italy need a kick up the backside as they are surely at the moment one of the weakest Italian sides ever.

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: A380
Posted 2004-10-10 05:03:10 and read 2073 times.

Liechtenstein 2:2 Portugal  Confused

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Thom@s
Posted 2004-10-10 11:59:02 and read 2063 times.

I believe it is the first time Liechtenstein have taken a point in the history of World Cup qualifying. Not sure though, but non the less, must be great for Lichtenstein. Big grin

Thom@s

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Banco
Posted 2004-10-11 10:18:40 and read 2035 times.

Do we not have any Portuguese to give us a reaction?

I too was very disappointed with Wales on Saturday. We know that England are obviously a much superior side, but the local pride element often reduces that gap somewhat. I always thought England would win, but I really thought Wales would give them a hard time. In reality it was a cruise, a real 2-0 thrashing in that England could easily have had six. I suppose the match in Cardiff might be a bit different.

As for Scotland, it's now gone beyond funny. Since 1998 us English have laughed at their decline into minnows, but am I alone in wincing now every time I hear they've gone behind? It's no fun when they're as bad as this.

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: PhotoLPPT
Posted 2004-10-11 11:56:39 and read 2027 times.

Well, I'm not a very big soccer expert but I'll try to give you a feeling of what are the stories here in the sports newspapers. I am very disappointed by the team behavior and lack of commitment.

The saturday newspapers and the TVs were hinting at a portuguese victory over Liechtenstein in the likes of the last 8-0 or so....

Mr. Scolary told the TVs after the game that 'mistakes any human can make' and stated that this was a very anomalous result which left the team very sad and embarassed. This was clearly seen as damage control from him. Even so, he didn't let the team go that easily. Upon arrival at the hotel right after the game, he locked himself in the team bus, alone with the players, and gave the team a 15 minute 'head-bashing' pep talk which should have made some ears sting.

Naturally the result caused a big stir here. The general state of mind of the fans is incredulous. The most favorable headline on the sunday papers was 'Portugal, the mock of Europe'. The players arrived yesterday at LIS and there was a small crowd there with banners, protesting against the teams' poor performance over a 'this-one-is-already-won' game and the general lack of commitment shown on this and the previous games.

As for myself, I can only hope the team gets their act together and makes a much better game against Russia, this wednesday.

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Airsicknessbag
Posted 2004-10-11 16:20:02 and read 2013 times.


My country doesn´t need to go through this process, so I just have to cheer the country where I lived for the past three months:

Honduras!

They´re in one group with Guatemala, Costa Rica and Canada, two of whom advance to the next stage.

First game was great, a 5-2 away win in Costa Rica. The 2-2 at home vesus group leaders Guatemala was ok too, after trailing 0-2. The lucky 1-1 in Canada (equalising in injury time) was embarassing, but then came this Saturday:

The home game against Canada, the whole country anticipated two easy points, but what happened? A 1-1, Honduras equalising in injury time. This is sooooo embarrassing, I don´t even dare to wear my Honduras jersey in public.

Standings are now Guatemala 7, Honduras 6, Costa Rica 6, Canada 2 - with Guatemala and Costa Rica both playing Canada, each has another three safe points, i.e. Honduras HAS to win either in Guatemala this Wednesday or against Costa Rica in November - what a bleak outlook...  Sad

Oh well...

Daniel Smile

¡Honduras al Mundial!

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Banco
Posted 2004-10-12 09:40:18 and read 1991 times.

I'd keep supporting Honduras, Daniel. They've got a better chance than this current German team.  Laugh out loud

According to the mighty Mr Beckham, he got himself deliverately booked on Saturday because he knew he had broken a rib:

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,1325309,00.html

I love this bit:

"I am sure some people think I have not got the brains to be that clever, but I do have the brains. I could feel the injury, so I fouled Thatcher. It was deliberate.

"I knew straight away I had broken my ribs. I have done it before. I knew I will be out for a few weeks, so I thought, 'Let's get the yellow card out of the way.'"

He'll be up for Nobel prizes before you know it.  Big grin


Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Andreas
Posted 2004-10-12 09:54:15 and read 1990 times.

Banco, old friend, so good to see that some things never change in this turbulent world of ours, and that is your unswerving believe in the most "un-delivering" football team ever to walk the planet...England! (ok, maybe second to Spain...no, I guess slightly ahead of Spain  Big grin)

Right now, the Portuguese feel like the biggest joke of Europe, and maybe even deservedly so, but please keep in mind: England does have a much longer history in stating that they have a superior side, and then, whenever it counts, they just leave and it's business as usual again...next time our team will be even more superior (!), and they'll fly home even earlier Big grin Big grin Big grin

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Banco
Posted 2004-10-12 10:01:27 and read 1989 times.

True enough, Andreas. Though in my unguarded moments I would look at this current side and say it is just starting to look like one of the more accomplished teams we've produced in the last half century. That's why Euro 2004 was so disappointing, they should have done so much better, and defending a 1-0 lead for 80 minutes was not part of what they are good at, so God knows why they tried it.

Beckham's getting loads of stick for his performances, but the truth is he isn't our best player anymore (thank God! Beckham was and is good, but he ain't gonna win you a World Cup), which is no disgrace. Funny how apparent it is that England missed Ferdinand in defence in the summer though. Silly prat.

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Andreas
Posted 2004-10-12 10:09:20 and read 1987 times.

Maybe it's time to find a job for your girlfriend that enables her to keep a closer eye on you.

Lately you seem to have many unguarded moments...actually you seem to live in a permanently unguarded state of mind...and have been for years  Big grin Big grin


btw: Did you hear about that funny quarrel between Kahn and Lehmann and the German goalkeeper coach Sepp Maier? That was funny indeed...and Klinsmann did the right thing: he kicked him out for good, that silly old man!

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Banco
Posted 2004-10-12 10:13:23 and read 1986 times.

I did. As well as the picture of Maier wandering on to the training pitch with a bottle of beer in his hand. Kahn is past it now. He was a very good 'keeper but I suspect that Lehmann is probably the better of the two now. Having said that, I don't think Lehmann is exactly top notch, do you not have anyone coming through?

By the way, you'll be delighted to know that for England David James has been dropped in favour of Paul Robinson. This makes the team even younger!

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Andreas
Posted 2004-10-12 10:22:54 and read 1982 times.

I strongly suspect that Lehmann is much better than any English keeper  Big grin, same goes for Kahn.

I can assure you there are some extremely good younger keepers, one of them (my favorite, of course since he's the keeper of my favorite team, VfB Stuttgart!!  Smile) Timo Hildebrandt, he's currently No. 3 in the national team and quite a few people see him as number one in 2006...and trust me: He's GOOD!! Then we have Tim Wiese, Simon Jentzsch, all of them in the below 25 years of age bracket.

Klinsmann so far did everything right there was to do, and there was a lot to do!! He kicked out most older players, brought in the younger ones, kicked out all the older coaches and pencil pushers at DFB that wanted to keep on going as before, and the fact that "Loddar Matthaeus" is virtually dying from envy and pouring his hate on Klinsmann in every tabloid he can find indicates strongly that this is the way to go!

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Banco
Posted 2004-10-12 10:44:35 and read 1979 times.

I don't doubt you have young keepers coming through - that's what I was asking you, you silly boy!  Insane

Lehmann better than any English keeper? Hmmm. Difficult that one. Arsenal are apparently getting a bit fed up with him because of his mistakes and are starting to look around. Though it does have to be admitted that the production line of terrific English goalkeepers we had for all those years does seem to have dried up somewhat of late. Right now, we have two very, very good young goalkeepers in the shape of Robinson and Kirkland. After that, it's a bit thin. Nicky Weaver looked at one time to be a real prospect, but he's barely played through injury for the last three years and there don't seem to be many others.

Odd really, England have a creative midfield to die for but find it hard to get goalkeepers - who'd have thought that would happen?

I'm not surprised that Klinsmann looks like he's doing quite well. When you watched him play he looked like management material. He's clearly highly intelligent, but the thing that struck me watching him when he played here was the way he related to other players on the field. For example, you'd have a player beat the defender then make a mess of the cross; you'd see his other colleagues berating him for messing up the cross and Klinsmann applauding him for getting into the position in the first place. As a young player who would you look up to?

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Andreas
Posted 2004-10-12 11:05:44 and read 1979 times.

Actually Klinsmann is a guy that keeps the masses divided: Like him a lot or hate him. I've never understood that, he never seemd to me to be a polarizer, but then he's from Stuttgart, played at VfB, too (and his assistant, Joachim Loew, too...we call this the Spaetzle connection Big grin), so I may be somewhat tainted in my views.

I do remember a talk to a taxidriver some years ago from Heathrow to the Financial Center, the guy was nearly incomprehensible but in the end we managed to reach some kind of understanding when talking about football...he obviously was (or hopefully still is) a Spurs fan, and concerning Klinsmann he still had the best of memories: He was the one left the arena last, always talked to the fans, signed merchandise until all fans were happy...overall I always had the impression of someone very professional!

btw: I saw a nice little piece on BBC lately on the penalty shootout 1990, with most players being interviewed, Germans and English...very funny to see these guys now, 14 years later...Peter Shilton w3as presented as an after dinner speaker *LOL*!!

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Banco
Posted 2004-10-12 11:18:14 and read 1976 times.

You've no idea (because you're German and you always win the damn things) how painful it is to watch even repeats of penalty shootouts like that. Nearly fifteen years on, I still pray that Pearce and Waddle will find the net.  Sad

Shilton blew all his money on gambling, so the guy needs to work. After dinner speaking is pretty lucrative, so I don't blame him for doing it. Not sure you'd put him down as an especially great speaker though. Now, I'll tell you who is absolutely brilliant at it - Craig Brown, the former Scotland manager. I went to a football lunch a few years ago, and they had all the British Isles international managers there. Brown was absolutely sensational, really top drawer.

Klinsmann actually managed to win over the English you know. Before he came here he was reviled as a German cheat (as you know, the two words are tautologous to us English  Big grin ), diving all over the place. the way he got Costacurta sent off, missing the Champions League final was a case in point. However, he showed a remarkable sense of humour (his first goal celebration was an elaborate dive into the corner flag) and generally conducted himself impeccably.

He was a credit to his country, he really was. It's hard to explain, but he really did improve the general German reputation among football fans here. Fickle, i know, and downright unreasonable when you think how minor football is in the great scheme of things, but there you are.

By the way, we can also have a laugh at Italy this week, can't we?  Big grin

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Andreas
Posted 2004-10-12 11:57:21 and read 1974 times.

But I do know quite well from lots of occasions just how painful it is for you guys to even watch the re-runs Big grin Big grin Big grin

It was very funny to listen to some of those guys...like Olaf Thon who said that Shilton was very nice to him, any younger keeper would have caught his penalty no sweat  Big grin

Klinsmann was indeed a valuable asset in building up some sort of England-Germany-relationship, but what is it that makes you wonder? Most people in England take their view on Germany from the Sun and some strange TV shows, which are even minor to football in the grand scheme of things!

Italy...yes, indeed, as much as I like the people and their unfaltering love for Ferrari, but when it comes to football...NO!! And since we are talking about goalkeepers...now wasn't it nice to watch Buffon  Big grin Big grin Big grin Big grin?

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Banco
Posted 2004-10-12 12:13:27 and read 1970 times.

At some point, you know, you are going to lose a penalty shoot-out (well, you will if you ever manage to get past the first round again in future). Schadenfreude is such a wonderful word, don't you think?  Big grin

The Sun and Das Bild seem to be vying for who can insult each others nations the most. I think the Sun is probably winning. Having said that, the infamous Euro '96 episode (and it was the Mirror then not the Sun) may have spelt the end for that kind of stuff. They got a furious response from their own readership along the lines of "it's a football match, not a war" so perhaps there's hope.

You know, for once, we've been handed a really piss-easy group to qualify from. I might struggle to know what to do without having that final nailbiting match to get there.

I did see the French wondering whether they were actually going to qualify. Someone pointed out that they haven't actually qualified for a World Cup since 1986!

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Andreas
Posted 2004-10-12 12:31:25 and read 1968 times.

Schadenfreude...yes indeed it is, and maybe someday...in the veeeeery distant future you may get an idea how it feels like in real life, you know...no, actually I don't think you will  Big grin Big grin

The who???? French??? What's that?

Actually I was speaking in more general terms, not football. I guess the Sun is indeed the sole provider of "info" about Germany to many Brits, wheras Bild (without "das", please  Big grin) doesn't say much about England except when it comes to football.

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Banco
Posted 2004-10-12 12:50:13 and read 1965 times.

I think the Sun has spent most of its time recently laughing at your current economic malaise. Now, that's schadenfreude pretty much defined (naturally, they ignore the damage a struggling Germany impacts on us  Insane ).

Fair do's to some degree. We had to put up with it from you lot for forty years.

Now, I've been meaning to ask you (and I do like these occasional serious football discussions before we return to slagging each other off); you've now had a chance to have a proper look at Wayne Rooney. I remember saying a couple fo years ago on here that this new young kind had just appeared and he looked fantastic, but everyone went "who?" at that time. So what do you think?

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Andreas
Posted 2004-10-12 13:11:30 and read 1964 times.

Ah yes, I don't read that much Sun actually...but it's pretty disgusting to laugh about people that get poorer and poorer (and we do have quite a few here of those), and I can't remember that Bild and the likes did laugh about pre-Thatcher England but then I never read Bild on a regular basis, too  Big grin

You can't expect those morons to understand economic effects of globalisation, or maybe they do, and willingly don't tell it to their readers, which would probably be even worse!

What is it you don't like about slagging each other off? Some people found this entertaining...remember those posts when our super-thread closed down?
We were living proof that this works on a somewhat intellectually stimulating level, too  Big grin Big grin

Now Mr. Rooney:Yes he developed quite nicely, I have to say that, but I still have second thoughts about his ability to make a real career out of it: This guy is a hooligan, a very stupid one, meaning he needs guidance and control during all of his professional life. ManU might be able to provide this, much better than Everton I assume, but still there's a great danger that he'll go the way of Gascoigne, rather sooner than later, so I hope for your sake (meaning: not really  Big grin Big grin) that they can keep him under control!

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Banco
Posted 2004-10-12 13:22:37 and read 1959 times.

I never said I didn't like the slagging off, you cretinous Teutonic fool, I merely said that from time to time it is interesting to actually ask each other proper questions.  Insane

I hate to say it as Manchester City fan, but I think from an England perspective Rooney has gone to exactly the right club. They've got a very good record of ensuring that the young players are kept on the straight and narrow. One other thing about Rooney though, he's much, much better than Gascoigne. He's easily the most promising English player I've ever seen. Everton did do a good job though. At the time Rooney was coming through Gascoigne was training with Everton, and they made a point of sitting him down and asking him if he really wanted to end up like that. I think the lesson has been learnt, and I believe Rooney will be marshalled quite effectively by his club. You know, he nearly did a Maradona on Saturday, slaloming through the Welsh (yes I know, but even so, he still has to do it) defence, but unfortunately it was deflected wide.

It's a funny thing. Everyone keeps saying how he's very young, he has to be given time, etc etc, but he just keeps doing it. Quite frankly, he's extraordinary. If he stays fit and continues to develop, we really will be getting excited come World Cup time. Again.  Big grin

I haven't seen much of Germany recently. Is there any hope for the future in the way you're playing? After the disaster of the Euros it looked like you were on a downward spiral into oblivion. What's the latest?

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Andreas
Posted 2004-10-12 13:29:32 and read 1959 times.

Sorry can we postpone this until tomorrow, I've got to go right now!!

Can you come up with some new exciting insults for me then?  Big grin Big grin I mean REALLY new.....

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Arsenal@LHR
Posted 2004-10-12 17:02:01 and read 1950 times.

don't think Lehmann is exactly top notch,

Top notch enough to play for Arsenal. Kahn is past his shelf life, his career ended against England in the 5-1 thrashing. Kahn plays for a fading Bayern Munich team in a average Bundesliga. Whereas Lehmann plays for one of the best teams in Europe in the second strongest league in the world. Take your pick.

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Andreas
Posted 2004-10-13 09:06:15 and read 1936 times.

his career ended against England in the 5-1 thrashing


Er...um...Arsenal, right after that he went on to be vice world champion in 2002...can't quite remember when England had to fly home, could you enlighten me, please? Big grin

Ah yes I forgot, you Englaenders set your priorities somewhat differently...rather win a qualifier but forget about the championship  Big grin Big grin

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Banco
Posted 2004-10-13 10:26:38 and read 1929 times.

I don't think he was past in 2001 or 2002. Kahn was the reason Germany got to that final, that and serendipity removing anyone who could actually play football from that side of the draw.  Big grin It was ironic that it was a Kahn mistake in the final that started Brazil on their way, though realistically it was extremely unlikely Germany would have beaten them anyway.

I would say it was Euro 2004 that showed he'd gone on too long. It seems to hapen to all goalkeepers, there's a feeling that they might be past it, but they don't actually do too much wrong, then suddenly the disasters start happening.

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Andreas
Posted 2004-10-13 11:04:34 and read 1923 times.

Right, can we leave the trivialities behind us now that Arsenal is back at school hopefully and have a serious discussion on football before we start kicking each other's frigging asses all over the place again?

If I remember correctly I said earlier, like a year ago or so, that Rooney might indeed be a "Wunderkind", and it's the nature of Wunderkinds to get on top very soon, but it's also true that they burn out fast..and Rooney has all the makings of an out-burner!

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Banco
Posted 2004-10-13 11:14:12 and read 1920 times.

Well, we'll see, won't we? I don't think there's any way of knowing at this stage. Obviously, that's why he needs to be looked after. I do think that Ferguson will ration his appearances in the Premiership, and from an England perspective, that's why I think his move is a good thing. All too often players like him are hammered into the ground with 50 games a season before they're physically ready. I don't think that will happen with him.

Interestingly enough, when Ferguson is asked about his regrets, he always says not getting hold of Gascoigne is one of them. He may have made a difference, but I think one thing with Gascoigne that needs to be pointed out is that he does (and did) genuinely have mental issues. His behaviour, the nervous head movements and so on are all evidence of that. With hindsight, his sad decline was all too predictable knowing what we do now. But I do think that his example makes the football people, Ferguson included, determined the same won't happen to Rooney.

I see Jens Lehmann has been told he has to wear Adidas goloves if he wants to keep his place in the national team.  Wow!  Laugh out loud You know, I suddenly feel terribly old and reactionary.  Big grin

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Andreas
Posted 2004-10-13 11:45:10 and read 1914 times.

Banco you ARE very old and reactionary, trust me!  Big grin Big grin

You seem to be repeating what I said above...that his move to ManU was probably the best thing that could happen to him...control-wise.

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: GKirk
Posted 2004-10-16 15:56:07 and read 1833 times.

Berti must go!
Gord save us!

Strachan, Levin, Smith, Graham

We want a Scottish manager! Or at least someone who the players can understand!

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: Banco
Posted 2004-10-16 21:42:24 and read 1821 times.

I think Vogts will go because of his transparent lack of success. Having said that, if you believe that getting a Scottish manager will create some kind of dramatic turnaround you are living in dreamland. Your players aren't even close to being good enough. How about having a quick word with Rangers and Celtic and ask them why neither have youth academies.

Topic: RE: World Cup Qualifiers This Weekend
Username: GKirk
Posted 2004-10-17 00:49:01 and read 1817 times.

Banco, ye of foolish nature  Big grin
Rangers HAVE the top youth academy in Britain. (fair enough it was only opened 2 years ago)
Celtic have none.


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