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Topic: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: Yukimizake
Posted 2005-01-20 05:34:41 and read 2205 times.

The polling agency Globescan recently conducted a survey looking at international reaction to GWB's reelection. In answering the question 'Do you think the reelection of GWB is positive or negative for peace and security in the world only the people of India, the Philippines and Poland viewed this as positive. The countries that saw it as negative are; Great Britain, France, Russia, China, Japan, Italy, Australia, Canada, Brazil, Germany, Mexico, South Africa, Turkey, Argentina, Indonesia, Chile, Lebanon and South Korea.

Another question looked at whether people viewed US influence in the world as mainly positive or mainly negative. More See US Influence in World as Negative Than Positive.

Doug Miller, President of GlobeScan, comments, “Our research makes very clear that the reelection of President Bush has further isolated America from the world. It also supports the view of some Americans that unless his Administration changes its approach to world affairs in its second term, it will continue to erode America’s good name, and hence its ability to effectively influence world affairs.”

http://www.globescan.com/news_archives/bbcpoll.html


The question I have is primarily aimed at the American members here at A.net; Are you at all surprised or concerned about such a negative reaction, or do you not even think about it?

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: StowAway
Posted 2005-01-20 05:43:25 and read 2192 times.

Delicious - More Anti-American propaganda from a popular America basher.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: Mdsh00
Posted 2005-01-20 05:45:46 and read 2188 times.

I can't say I am too surprised at the results of these tests. I am very much against Bush's policies and the direction that this country is headed, but then I also look at the times when Clinton was president. Even with all the prosperity and good image that America had, there were always those who still felt the need to say negative things about the US. So I try not to think too much about it. The time will come when Bush will no longer be president, and hopefully we will then have our chance to repair our image. But of course, it's a 2 way street.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: Aerobalance
Posted 2005-01-20 05:47:29 and read 2183 times.

Yukimizake,

Are you and Rsmith related?

Give it a rest.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: Yukimizake
Posted 2005-01-20 05:54:18 and read 2175 times.

Stowaway,

Why do you consider the results of an opinion poll to be propaganda?, that makes no sense.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: 787
Posted 2005-01-20 05:55:56 and read 2172 times.

Honestly, Americans look at these results and think about them for a few minutes and then go on with their lives.

It's like looking at a magazine in a Doctors office, when your name is called, you stop mid-article and put the magazine down and go on with your life without thinking of the article or that magazine again.



Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: StowAway
Posted 2005-01-20 06:00:57 and read 2163 times.

The poll itself is not necessarily propaganda, but your case for using it is.

The question I have is primarily aimed at the American members here at A.net; Are you at all surprised or concerned about such a negative reaction, or do you not even think about it?

That question is rich with hate, and obsession.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: Yukimizake
Posted 2005-01-20 06:05:14 and read 2159 times.

'That question is rich with hate, and obsession.'

That's a strange thing to say, in what way is that question hateful or obsessive?

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: StowAway
Posted 2005-01-20 06:10:49 and read 2151 times.

For one, you want an American to say, "It does not bother me." You will then be ready to blast them for that.

The cherry on top is the "or do you not even think about it?" part.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: 787
Posted 2005-01-20 06:11:01 and read 2153 times.

Give it a rest Yuki. We all see what you are trying to do. Stay on point and maybe you will get some backing on what could be a legitimate question had it not been posted by you.

You make your own bed with your past threads and comments. If others have any doubt, just take a look at his/her comments.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: Aerorobnz
Posted 2005-01-20 06:25:54 and read 2133 times.

"Delicious - More Anti-American propaganda from a popular America basher."
Isn't it funny that it is always called propaganda when it is against American stance, but not so when it is a pro-american stance?
Like it or lump it Bush is not liked by a majority of the world but it is an enditement on the US that he was voted back. I find it a great shame because of all the Americans I have met, most of them were lovely people and who don't deserve the reputation that they get. It just goes to show what fear and paranoia can do once it gets into a nation's psyche.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: Solarix
Posted 2005-01-20 06:28:07 and read 2127 times.

We've always been hated so it does not surprise me at all.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: NWAFA
Posted 2005-01-20 06:28:37 and read 2126 times.

Aerorobnz,

There are millions of us here in the U.S. that can not stand the man! He scares the fu(*&^%^ out of me!

This man is no friend to our industry...the working people...he has no values..only values of hate and "what I say goes, and if you don't like it, then go".

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: Yukimizake
Posted 2005-01-20 06:35:15 and read 2121 times.

Stowaway, it's a valid poll and, despite the over sensitive reaction, it's a valid question.

787, 'had it not been posted by you.'.
What the hell is that supposed to mean?, am I not entitled to ask that question?

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: XJRamper
Posted 2005-01-20 06:40:56 and read 2116 times.

You know...i could respond to aero, nwafa, mdsh, and yuki. But its not worth it. I am hearing the same people say the same things. We suffered through Clinton. You get to (if you can call it) "suffer" through Bush.

But honestly, we were hated waaaaay before this president. And we will be hated for current affairs in the future. The people who hate us the most are jealous of US, plain and simple. I am expecting someone to tell me that they are happy where they are. And if you live in the us and don't like it...here's a thought. Move where you will be more happy.

XJR

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: NWAFA
Posted 2005-01-20 06:45:46 and read 2110 times.

Sorry Xj, we were not hated like we are now!

Suffered under Clinton..yea right. Our economy was never better. Peoples debt load was at the lowest. Respect for fellow Americans were at an all time high. America was respected instead of hated like we are now.

Bush is evil. He is a dictator. He does NOT care about the working American, he only cares about the corporation!

I am very lucky to travel the world..and when I am in different countries I read the local papers and let me tell you, the world has no respect or love for us any more..and THAT you can thank that Jack(&^%% in the white house!

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: XJRamper
Posted 2005-01-20 06:59:25 and read 2094 times.

Our economy was never better

LOL...thats to a certain Bush fellow in 1988-1992. Remember him. The economy was poor from his predecessor. He turned it around in less than four years and then Clinton rode out the wave.

He does NOT care about the working American

Explain this one to me. Because hes cutting taxes for you...may not be much for you or me, but atleast he isn't adding taxes like certain liberal individuals wanted to do for this year had a liberal went into office.

You know...I didn't want to take this to Iraq, but this issue needs to be solved between us. You and most of the world hates us, because of the Iraq war, correct?

I need you to find me the speech that the president gave that says we were going soley after UBL. From what I heard, this was the war on terror. Dont give me bullshit about lying about WMDs. He wasn't the first one to mention WMDs. There was a gentleman from Mass back in 1997, 1999, and 2001(pre 9/11) by the name of John Kerry, who under Craptrain...er Clinton, told the world that Saddaam had WMDs.

By the way, what type of aircraft/routes do you fly?

XJR

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: Radarbeam
Posted 2005-01-20 07:01:40 and read 2086 times.

Yea, I guess that's what you called "suffering" during Clinton...





Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: NWAFA
Posted 2005-01-20 07:04:24 and read 2082 times.

I am receiving NO tax breaks from this biggot in the white house! The war in Iraq (and my nephew was killed in May 2004 in Iraq) is NOT about the war on terrorism, but on doing what daddy wanted. Hussan had NOTHING to do with 9/11 (and yes I am pissed about that as my sister was killed on the United flight that hit the tower).

I HATE this man. My family HATES this man as the WORLD hates this man!



Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: XJRamper
Posted 2005-01-20 07:09:06 and read 2077 times.

Hussan had NOTHING to do with 9/11

I will copy and paste right from my previous post:

I need you to find me the speech that the president gave that says we were going soley after UBL. From what I heard, this was the war on terror.

Sorry: for clarification UBL is Usama Bin Laden....you know from 9/11 and all

XJR

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: NWAFA
Posted 2005-01-20 07:10:19 and read 2076 times.

I knew what you ment about UBL...he was behind 9/11 that killed my sister and NOT Hussan!

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: XJRamper
Posted 2005-01-20 07:12:19 and read 2074 times.

Do you honestly not see what I wrote? Come on man! Read....This is a WAR ON TERROR NOT the war on 9/11.

XJR

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: NWAFA
Posted 2005-01-20 07:13:07 and read 2071 times.

And once again, Iraq had NOTHING to do with that!

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: XJRamper
Posted 2005-01-20 07:19:11 and read 2062 times.

Iraq is harboring terrorists. This is a war on terrorism. Terrorists cause terrorism. We didn't leave UBL behind. I have two buddies of mine over in Afganistan looking for the son of a bitch. My brother is dead from Iraq

But you know when he signed up for the military? Four days after Bush decided upon Iraq.

XJR

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: Solarix
Posted 2005-01-20 07:20:24 and read 2062 times.

It does now.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: NWAFA
Posted 2005-01-20 07:21:56 and read 2058 times.

Im very sorry that Bush killed your brother!

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: XJRamper
Posted 2005-01-20 07:22:04 and read 2058 times.

Oh btw NWA, im not completely heartless...sorry to hear about your sis and nephew.

XJR

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: XJRamper
Posted 2005-01-20 07:25:36 and read 2053 times.

Bush would have killed my brother if he had a draft. But, since Aaron went over on his own will, he died an honorable death. I dont think he completely liked Bush, but he was fighting for the flag on his shoulder...and that was most important.

XJR

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: Aerorobnz
Posted 2005-01-20 08:27:14 and read 2032 times.

NWAFA, I know, that's why it saddens me. There's 45% +/- (can't remember the exact percentage) of Americans who did not want him back but have to live under his regime. Chin up, at least he won't be back next time.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: Boeing7E7
Posted 2005-01-20 09:58:55 and read 2014 times.

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: ANCFlyer
Posted 2005-01-20 13:47:23 and read 1999 times.

Good Morning Yukimizake . . .

To answer the question you asked, No I'm not surprised.

In one fashion or another, we've always been disliked by some other coutnries of the world. I don't know if it's jealousy or what . . .



Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: Yukimizake
Posted 2005-01-20 15:43:21 and read 1978 times.

ANC thanks for answering.

'I don't know if it's jealousy or what . . .

I've heard the jealousy explanation from many people. In some cases (poor lesser developed countries) I could see it as jealousy, in developed countries I don't see why people would be jealous.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: ANCFlyer
Posted 2005-01-20 18:10:07 and read 1946 times.

I don't see the answer either as it regards to more developed countries . . .

But, in all seriousness, let me ask a question . . . . directly relating to three, and only three mind you, Canadians I've spoken with in the last year. This is not meant to generalize the Canadian populace.

All three expressed a desire to move to the states . . . when questioned as to why, all three indicated "better jobs and economy". All three were from different areas (Victoria, Toronto and Yellowknife). Now, perhaps I can understand the gent in Yellowknife - I mean that's like northern Alaska only different. But Toronto and Victoria. The lady I know in Voctoria even has an e-mail signature "Wanna be American".

Could this example be part of the reason this country is frowned upon by others? A portion of the "jealousy theory". If so, why from Canadians? I get to Canada a lot - mind you just the Yukon, Alberta and BC and the place seems to thrive. Whitehorse, Yukon for example is in a constant state of construction! And look at the growth in Calgary and Edmonton?

Now, from a third world environment I could understand the comments above.

By the by, I did answer you finally regarding your "Courageous Soldier" thread, I had been off net for a day and missed the opportunity to get right to it. Sorry.


Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: Yukimizake
Posted 2005-01-20 22:41:06 and read 1906 times.

ANC, I know that many Canadians would move to the US if they had a good job opportunity. In fact, I nearly moved to New York 4 years ago but only stayed in Toronto after getting a better job offer. There are also Canadians, especially in western Canada which tends to be more conservative, that are not happy with the fact that there has been a Liberal government for the last 12 years, that might explain the sentiments of the lady you know in Victoria.

The resentment many foreigners have towards America might be jealousy with respect to sheer power and influence the US has in world affairs. But I also think a lot of the resentment is based on the view that recently the US has been using this influence and power more unilaterally and in more aggressive and reckless fashion than before.

BTW, I saw your response in the thread about the soldier refusing to go to Iraq, thanks. I admit the word 'courageous' was quite provocative and definitely rubbed some of the more sensitive people here the wrong way, but sometimes this makes for more interesting and lively debates.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: ANCFlyer
Posted 2005-01-20 22:45:51 and read 1901 times.

The resentment many foreigners have towards America might be jealousy with respect to sheer power and influence the US has in world affairs. But I also think a lot of the resentment is based on the view that recently the US has been using this influence and power more unilaterally and in more aggressive and reckless fashion than before.

Point well taken . . . be like us or we'll kick your ass . . . I understand completely.

I admit the word 'courageous' was quite provocative and definitely rubbed some of the more sensitive people here the wrong way, but sometimes this makes for more interesting and lively debates.

Sure and it worked didn't it!  Big thumbs up


Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: ClipperNo1
Posted 2005-01-20 22:59:49 and read 1886 times.

My Reaction:
I will forever refer to the election day as 2/11.
The worst is yet to come.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: Christa
Posted 2005-01-21 00:33:12 and read 1867 times.

I believe that voting in President Bush was the right thing to do, he has definitely but so have many other US presidents. He sees the UK as a very strong ally, which for me and my country can only be good.

Personally, I am very much in favour of the President and I like the United States of America. I have family in the USA in Skokie, near Chicago (I think), Illinois as well as family in Birmingham, Michigan. BTW, Any information on these areas would be much appreciated as my family will be going to visit them (they have not been for 15 years and would like to know how these areas now look, my family have said that they were fairly affluent and pleasant areas).

I am sure that the economy will sort it's self out and I can only hope that ties between the US & UK can grow even more.

Regards,

Chris

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: L-188
Posted 2005-01-21 01:39:21 and read 1851 times.

There are also Canadians, especially in western Canada which tends to be more conservative, that are not happy with the fact that there has been a Liberal government for the last 12 years, that might explain the sentiments of the lady you know in Victoria.

More like the prarrie and the mountain provinces are conservative.

Vancouver and Victoria have the same problem that Portland Oregon has....Both are filled with people who think that Seattle is a bastion of right wing thinking.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: DC10Tim
Posted 2005-01-21 02:25:35 and read 1833 times.

This is one topic which really provokes strong feelings within me, but I feel I didn't join this site to end up in endless, pointless arguments that serve no purpose other than to get a lot of people pissed off.

So I'll just say that NO, Dubya by and large isn't liked at all even in the UK, America's only ally. It's easy to bash certain countries for not participating in Iraq and class them all as being anti-American, socialist, islamophile (is that a word?), etc. etc. This is not the case with the Britain. We're not anti-American. Does anyone ever wonder though why other developed, civilized nations display such horror at the whole Iraq saga? This whole radicalised Christianity thing gets me too, but hey, that's for another thread..........

Regards,

Tim.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: L-188
Posted 2005-01-21 02:27:16 and read 1826 times.

This is not the case with the Britain. We're not anti-American.

Nope just separated by a common language.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: JGPH1A
Posted 2005-01-21 10:35:49 and read 1777 times.

Re: So I'll just say that NO, Dubya by and large isn't liked at all even in the UK, America's only ally.

Don't Forget Poland !  Laugh out loud

Apparently they love Dumbya to bits in Poland. I guess there's no accounting for taste.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: CX747
Posted 2005-01-23 16:11:10 and read 1728 times.

As an American, I'm not really concerned with what the other countries of the world think. I would LIKE us all to get along and see things in the same light, but that is not going to always happen.

GET OVER IT.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: OYRJA
Posted 2005-01-23 16:14:15 and read 1727 times.

As an American, I'm not really concerned with what the other countries of the world think. I would LIKE us all to get along and see things in the same light, but that is not going to always happen.

Hmmmmmmmmmm. You want us all to get along. But still you don't care about the opinion from the rest of the world? talking about double standards aren't we?
We should all just listen to what the GOP says and just accept it so you can be happy?
No way. That will never happen.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: Caribb
Posted 2005-01-23 17:51:50 and read 1714 times.

As an American, I'm not really concerned with what the other countries of the world think. I would LIKE us all to get along and see things in the same light, but that is not going to always happen.

What I take from you statement is that you really want everyone to agree with the USA or else you will just write them off by saying you don't care what anyone thinks. This will then justify any US action because the local support is really irrelevant but getting them to publically agree with your country is more important. The old "Either you are with us or against us" attitude suggesting that no matter what the US won't change it's policies for anyone but itself. God forbid anyone else has a valid opinion on world affaires and that opinion might be both contrary to US policy and right. Diplomacy requires some flexibility, the current US regime seems very inflexible at times. The world in turn has become very inflexible towards the US. In otherwords, you have the freedom to hold this opinion, express and act on it but at the same time you make the bed you lie in and face the consequences of the choices made. As does the rest of the world. I don't see this hardening of attitudes leading anywhere positive.

[Edited 2005-01-23 18:00:44]

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: CX747
Posted 2005-01-23 20:33:01 and read 1686 times.

What I take from your statements is that you only see things through your liberal shaded sunglasses. I said that I would like to see everyone get along but that won't always happen. Just because we don't see eye to eye on everything doesn't mean we can't be friends or get along. As an American, I am not mad a Canada for not helping in Iraq. They have their own point of view and that is fine. Just don't think that MY country is going to change their tune because YOU or YOUR country doesn't like it. Live your life and we will live ours.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: Flybyguy
Posted 2005-01-23 20:45:51 and read 1683 times.

The resentment many foreigners have towards America might be jealousy with respect to sheer power and influence the US has in world affairs.

Quite true, I think that since we are going about this business in Iraq (with the generous assistance of the UK) without the rest of the world, people in the international community are getting quite irate. Certainly, I would be irate if my country was rendered militarily useless by a supreme force.

I didn't vote for Bush, but he is now our president and the commander in chief of our military and we must accept that the democratic process is working and that American citizens have made a final, absolute decision.

Isn't any other American proud that our country's military is "kicking-ass" overseas? I have a cousin who's going to Iraq and I sure as hell want him to be a successful soldier and return home alive. Why must people fill our country's opinion polls with defeatist comments:

"Oh, we should have never gone to war."
"I don't support the war, but I support our troops."
"I want Bush to end the war right away."

Don't you all see that if we don't finish what we started we will truly be defeated? This is irregardless of who's idea it was to go to war. Doesn't any American want America to be successful?

Imagine what would happen when those who aligned themselves with us to reap their well-deserved rewards. Aside from all of the corruption associated with the oil in Iraq, wouldn't it shame the international community when a unified, free Iraq selectively has warm relations with countries that helped them with their independence and gives the cold shoulder to countries that could of helped, but didn't because they just wanted to play up politics for their own gain.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: Aerorobnz
Posted 2005-01-23 21:58:02 and read 1670 times.

"Live your life and we will live ours"

That would be fine in theory, but what the Bush Admin is doing in your life they are doing in our life, and does affect us in our lives. If Bush stuffs up he doesn't just make the US look bad, he makes the western world look bad as a whole.
I would say it is fear of what could happen while he is in power, rather than jealousy that keeps us opposing Bush. Bush promotes fear and retaliation. Not democracy and a country's inalienable right to run their own affairs the way they see fit without worrying about invasion from another country that has a grudge to settle.

Topic: RE: GWB's Re-election - International Reaction.
Username: Thumper
Posted 2005-01-24 05:17:14 and read 1639 times.

In answer to the question,no it does not bother me. I did not vote for Bush but unlike other Americans on this site,who cry like baby's, and are a disgrace to there country,I accept what the majority of Americans wanted and go on with my life. When the world has leaders like "The thief of Paris', Jacques Chirac and others, and no one cares about them, why should I care. I have put my life on the line for my country unlike most of these cry baby Americans who always degrade America, I will say one thing thou,I respect the Europeans who stick up for there country no mater what!


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