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Topic: Contemplating A Job In Dublin...
Username: BCAInfoSys
Posted 2005-06-23 22:05:51 and read 1537 times.

Hey guys -

This is mainly for our a.netters from Eire, but anyone with relevant information is welcome to share.

I've been looking at several international jobs as of late, and one that looks particularly promising is a position with IBM in Dublin, Ireland. And I was just wondering if you guys could fill me in on how life is in the Emerald Isles? What are the pro's/con's of life in Dublin? How big an employer is IBM in the city? What is their general reputation? How hard is it to get an Irish work/immigration visa?

Also, part of the stated job requirement is that I must have a "University degree 2.1 or higher", so my question is, what is the scale for that? For example, the US is on a 4.0 gradepoint system (4.0 = A, 3.0 = B, etc..), so what does a 2.1 mean?

Thanks guys, any information you can fill in would be great! Thanks!  Smile


P.S. Just for reference, here is a link to the job opening I'm considering:

Topic: RE: Contemplating A Job In Dublin...
Username: Teahan
Posted 2005-06-23 22:20:11 and read 1533 times.

University grades in Ireland are as follows:

1H: First class Honours
2.1: Second class honours Grade I
2.2: Second class honours Grade II

It depends on the university but a 2.1 is usualy a a GPA of 2.7-3.25.

Work permits for non-EU citizens are not easy.

[Edited 2005-06-23 22:23:30]

Topic: RE: Contemplating A Job In Dublin...
Username: BCAInfoSys
Posted 2005-06-23 22:50:01 and read 1524 times.

Hmmm... well that's a good start, thanks Teahan.

Do you have any advice on life in DUB? What are the goods/bads? Any good sources for reference you can point me to?

Thanks!  Smile

Topic: RE: Contemplating A Job In Dublin...
Username: Teahan
Posted 2005-06-23 23:02:53 and read 1518 times.

Never lived in Dublin but know it reasonably well.
Ask me specifics and I'll do my best to reply.

For a decent idea of accomodation try

Visas etc.

Topic: RE: Contemplating A Job In Dublin...
Username: Braybuddy
Posted 2005-06-23 23:53:24 and read 1510 times.

There are plenty of foreigners working in Dublin so you won't be alone BCAIinfoSys! I knew a guy who worked for IBM years ago and he loved the place and was well paid. Even though that was in the 80s I doubt if their ethics have changed. If you like socialising you won't be disappointed, though unfortunately we have a Nazi for a Justice Minister and he has curtailed licensing hours for nightclubs, and most of them close now around 2.30am. City centre bars are good and plentiful, and open till around 1.30, so the club scene isn't as good as it could be. There are some good ones, but a lot of people won't pay admission just for an hour of extra drinking time.

Accommodation can be expensive, so most people share. I haven't got any figures to hand, but houses in the suburbs usually start around €400 per person per month. . . that is MINIMUM, and the closer you get to the city centre you'll pay a lot more. If you're talking about IBM in Ballsbridge, unless you have a lot of money to spend, forget accommodation there, it's one of the most expensive parts of the city, though there are good transport links to some cheaper suburbs. Cookstown would be a lot cheaper, though you'd be a good distance outside the city centre.

Eating out can be expensive, and an average meal with wine would set you back €50 per head, though most restaruants do an early-bird menu at around half that, which runs till 8pm. If you're really on a budget there are plenty of fast food restaurants which cater for most tastes. It's just a matter of finding your niche! You may have seen the list published last week ranking the cost of living in different cities. Dublin came in at no 14 I think, practically equal to New York. It's a cost-of-living index which companies use to grade expenses, etc.

On the whole most foreigners assimilate well, particularly English speaking ones. There is of course a certain amount of racism, but this is rarely directed at Americans, though you get the odd loudmouth who likes to blame ordinary Americans for the war in Iraq.

I'm not trying to put you off, I'm just being realistic and pointing out that Dublin, like everywhere else, has its bad points as well as good. Overall it's pretty safe and a very pleasant city to live in. The mood is generally relaxed, though a lot of people complain that it's not what it used to be. Partially true, but you'll find plenty of opportunites to meet people and make friends. People are generally interested in foreigners and you'll have no trouble making friends if you want to. One complaint I hear over and over again from foreigners living here is that Irish people never invite them into their homes. This is very true: most people socialise in pubs, clubs and restaurants. Continentals find this strange as they ususally invite people round to their houses for a meal. There is a complete ban on smoking in the workplace, and this includes pubs. It hasn't made a significant difference to them, though more people are socialising at home because of this, so the continental culture may creep in.

As long as it doesn't rain the climate isn't bad at all, and it's rarely either too hot or too cold. If you come I reckon you'll enjoy your stay. Most people who do enjoy themselves, and the city can have a great buzz to it. It's has the atmosphere of a big town rather than a city, yet it has practically all the facilities of a large city, and it's the kind of place where you can't really do ANYTHING anonymously.

Despite things you may hear to the contrary, the city centre is very safe to walk around, certainly during the day and even at night. Like any city you need to take the usual precautions, just don't look like a victim. There is the odd shark who can spot them a mile away. I walk everywhere in the centre at weekends and only once have had any trouble in 30 years. There are the usual no-go areas of course, but you'll have no need to go near any of them.

Public transport isn't as good as most European cities: there's no metro, and it's mostly buses, though there is a suburban railway along the coast and a brand-new tram system, though unfortunately it is only on two lines out of the city centre. Just don't expect anything to go by the timetables. Taxis are plentiful. Not dirt cheap, but affordable if you're on a budget and you're sharing.

Any more questions just ask. . .

[Edited 2005-06-24 00:07:58]

Topic: RE: Contemplating A Job In Dublin...
Username: Braybuddy
Posted 2005-06-24 04:04:23 and read 1490 times.

How could I forget? If you're drinking in the city centre expect to pay at least €4 for a pint of Guinness or beer in a pub. A vodka and coke at least €7. Bottles of beer are ususally dearer and you'll pay a minimum of €4, though I was charged €6 for one recently at a more popular place. Nightclubs are dearer again, about 25% more, and you'll be lucky to find one with a less than €10 admission.

You'll no doubt be doing some eating in if you're living here and food is dearer than in the states and most European countries. There are discount supemarkets which are popular with immigrants and can be significantly cheaper than the regular ones, though you have to seek them out. Some random items: milk, 2 litres €1.50; large loaf of bread: under €1 up; packet of ground coffee: €3.50, bag of 6 apples or oranges: €3, lean steak €4.50; chicken fillets €1.50 each. Ready made supermarket meals you can get for under €5. 2 litre bottle of 7-Up or Coke €1.80.

Drinking at home is cheaper, and the basic bottles of red or white wine start around €6 up. Bud, Carlsberg, Heineken and other beers are around €1.75 for the larger half-litre can, and there are cheaper continental beers that can come in around €1.25. A three-quarter litre bottle of vodka or gin is about €17-€18 though there are supermarket own brands for around €5 less.

If you're driving petrol is dearer than the states and is currently around €1 a litre, which is about €5 a gallon I think.Cigarettes are around €6 for a packet of 20. A metered taxi to the suburbs would be minimum of €25-€30.

If you like movies, and what American doesn't, cinema admission is around €8 and can be cheaper in the afternoons. Nearly all the blockbusters show after the States, though due to piracy films like the X-MEN and some others had releases simultaneously with the US. As a guideline "War of the Worlds" is opening on 1 July.

There is a good selection of small theatres showing low-brow, mid-brow and high-brow stuff. Don't always follow the reviews as Dublin is a small place and the theare world is even smaller, so critics often hate closing a play, where in the States threre would be no such qualms. Read the reviews, but also ask people their opinions of them. These are usually a better guideline.

And, of course, one of the best things about living in Dublin is Ryanair, and you can fly over to London, Paris, Barcelona or Brussels for as little as €60 return, including taxes. Just watch out for sales and book quickly, otherwise you can miss out.

The current rate of exchange is €1=$1.20

[Edited 2005-06-24 04:31:45]

[Edited 2005-06-24 04:41:53]

Topic: RE: Contemplating A Job In Dublin...
Username: UTA_flyinghigh
Posted 2005-06-24 10:17:16 and read 1458 times.

I noticed something that made me shudder.
IBM in Dublin.
They have the reputation over here for having one of the worst work atmosphere and one of the highest turnovers.

HP is also recruiting and may be a better bet.

Just my 0.02 €cent

UTA  checkeredflag 

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