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Topic: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2005-09-11 18:35:49 and read 1018 times.

Any A.nutter a vegan? I very much wish to become a vegan - it upholds my sincere beliefs - but it is taking a while for me to muster the guts to become one: it would involve, after all, a major lifestyle change. I would, indeed, like to become a very strict vegan and eat only fruit or vegetables which have fallen and not been picked, but I really question how possible this is to achieve in today's society. Any recommendations or suggestions? Any personal experiences? Do share.  Smile

P.S. Don't bother taking the mick.

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: RedDragon
Posted 2005-09-11 18:37:40 and read 1012 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
I would, indeed, like to become a very strict vegan and eat only fruit or vegetables which have fallen and not been picked, but I really question how possible this is to achieve in today's society.

Really? Why is this - is it harming the plant at some level when fruit is picked? (Sincerely) interesting.

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-09-11 18:41:17 and read 1007 times.

it´s nothing better than a big big steak!!! (but of course not daily)  Smile

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2005-09-11 18:42:37 and read 1004 times.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 2):
it´s nothing better than a big big steak!!! (but of course not daily)


An hilarious and totally unpredictable reply.  Smile And steak not even daily? Deary me!  Wink

[Edited 2005-09-11 18:43:26]

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: NWA742
Posted 2005-09-11 18:42:59 and read 1001 times.

Negative.

In fact, the other night, I had some of the best steak and BBQ ever at Cagle's Steakhouse in Lubbock, Texas.


That place is good enough to make any vegan or vegetarian ashamed of themselves.

 tongue 




-NWA742

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2005-09-11 18:44:23 and read 996 times.

Blimey! You guys really come up with unpredictable and thoroughly humoUrous replies.  Wink

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Jasepl
Posted 2005-09-11 18:46:57 and read 990 times.

I'm not remotely vegan, but have been getting very close to being vegetarian over the years. No meat, fish, shellfish or eggs (except beef xacuti a few times a year).

I'd suggest you do it gradually, instead of becoming vegan overnight. Cut out the 'forbidden food' one by one.

It's not that difficult, especially in Britain, where there are so many options.

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
P.S. Don't bother taking the mick.

Ha hahah! That's rich!!  Wink

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Planespotting
Posted 2005-09-11 18:53:45 and read 980 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
I would, indeed, like to become a very strict vegan and eat only fruit or vegetables which have fallen and not been picked, but I really question how possible this is to achieve in today's society

i am friends with a plethora of vegans, freegans, and vegetarians, and having been one myself, i can say that it is not a bad thing to do for yourself. however, it is extremely inconvenient in todays society to be a vegan. If you live in a big city, it becomes more convenient, but more expensive as well. I do not know anyone who is a vegan as you put it (eating only fruit and vegetables which have fallen but not been picked), and that would be extremely unhealthy for you. your body is not meant to subsist on carbohydrates and sugars alone. I know many vegans who try to eat nothing but organic foods who have very bad digestional problems, mainly because of their lifestyle. Unless you live in a commune with an organic farm where you have access to your own fruits, vegetables, nuts, legumes and other assorted vegetable plants, you need vitamin supplements.

In a vegan lifestyle, you need to make sure to get a good supply of protein, which is mainly only found in animal products. However, nuts, grains, and other fruits do have trace amounts of protein in them, and you must do a lot of planning and research if you are to become a vegan to make sure you get enough protein.

Do not take becoming a vegan lightly. A fair amount of people in the world think veganism is an extreme lifestyle, and if you claim to be a vegan but they see you cheating all the time, or worst of all, being a potato chips and nutter-butter vegan (nutter butters are the only vegan cookie that i could find in mass production), you will be a bad stereotype of vegans and it will not be healthy for you as well. There are many books out there that can help you with veganism, i suggest going to amazon.com and searching for "veganism"...a very good book is titled "Becoming Vegan"...that is what I used when i had my brief 3 months as a vegan (to see if i could do it).

I suggest going in stages, becoming a vegetarian first, then slowly easing into more and more of a vegan lifestyle, eliminating eggs, then cheese or milk, then all dairy, and finally being an extreme food label reader, looking for words such as Cusien...(protein derived from cows milk). You will start to soon learn that there aren't many foods in your grocery store that are vegan.

Good Luck.

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-09-11 19:02:14 and read 966 times.

well my Uncle is Vegan.... just one storry to that, my grand mother always report me than when he was younger he always battle with her because the piece of meat was to little for him....

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2005-09-11 19:06:54 and read 964 times.

Thanks a lot, P.S.   A wise reply full of useful suggestions from personal experience.  

Quoting RedDragon (Reply 1):
Really? Why is this - is it harming the plant at some level when fruit is picked? (Sincerely) interesting.

Sorry, R.D., I didn't see your reply and question.

It is a part of a living organism. A carrot, for example, is a root; a potato is the starch stores part of a root. Fruit, while still being a part of a living organism, is the swollen tissues that surround a seed. Think of an apple: you eat the tissue surrounding the seeds. The same with blackberries and strawberries, although in the latter the seeds are on the outside. You do, I suppose, have to think of them as organs. So, you could argue that for vegetables, like carrots, cabbage, potatoes, etc., you are effectively killing them to eat as you do other animals. The story isn't so for fruit: most fruit is designed to be eaten by animals, hence why they tend to be sweet and edible. The point is this: to spread the seeds away from the parent plant, so they don't compete with each other. The fruit effectively encourages the animal to eat the seed which is then shitted out elsewhere. Anyway, I've gone on so will shut up.  Smile

[Edited 2005-09-11 19:29:45]

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2005-09-11 19:10:02 and read 960 times.

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 7):
A fair amount of people in the world think veganism is an extreme lifestyle, and if you claim to be a vegan but they see you cheating all the time

I would not cheat. Hell, if I am to do it I am to do it properly.

Anyway, I have noted all you have said, so will look into it all properly, research it all thoroughly, buy the book, and, all being well, proceed slowly but surely.

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: 1MillionFlyer
Posted 2005-09-11 19:13:45 and read 954 times.

It is actually quite easy to do Vegan in the US.

I went completey Vegan on 8.1.05 due to a high cholestoral reading during my annual phsyical. I didn't want to take those damn statin drugs they are telling everyone to take, so I set out to prove I didn't need drugs.

I have found Vegan is easy to do, other than checking packaged items and making sure it has no egg or milk products.

Even in the UK you can still eat lots of Indian and Thai dishes, pasta with marinara, veggie sandwiches and plenty of other options.

I don't miss meat and cheese and I have dropped my cholesteral 75 points in 6 weeks!

good luck with your endevour.

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Catatonic
Posted 2005-09-11 19:39:46 and read 927 times.

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 11):
It is actually quite easy to do Vegan in the US.

Well thatsd BS for a start! Both my friend and I were strict vegetarians until we went to California in June. There was absolutely nothing to eat but Salad and things didn't get much better when we went on a cruise. My friend ended up eating meat and I resorted to eating fish, In Las Vegas most restaurants we went to only had fries as a vegetarian option!! Also I recently went to New Jersey for 4 weeks and ended giving up being a vegetarian cos your choices are so limited and the hotel we were staying at only had a hob and a microwave to use to cook!

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
Any recommendations or suggestions?

I have some useful advice, take it a step at a time, its a drastic step that needs a lot of adjustment and getting use too. Also it may take a while to fully appreciate what a varied diet you can have as a vegan and often its a process of discovery so that in itself can take a while. Why don't you first become vegetarian and then gradually eliminate other products from your diet. Also have you even heard of Gillian McKeith? Get her book, there is some great advice on a vegan diet in that plus loads of recipe's.

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2005-09-11 19:47:14 and read 921 times.

Thanks a bunch, C.  Smile I have noted what you said.  Smile

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: AsstChiefMark
Posted 2005-09-11 19:56:46 and read 916 times.

Open pit beef BBQ! Hot damn!

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2005-09-11 20:23:58 and read 902 times.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 14):
Open pit beef BBQ! Hot damn!

My God! Another highly humoUrous person! It's funny: all these unbelievably funny people are American*. 'Nuff said.  Wink





















* And one German, but we'll forget about him.  Wink

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: 777236ER
Posted 2005-09-11 20:50:47 and read 889 times.



She's a vegan.

 Sad

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2005-09-11 20:52:29 and read 885 times.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 16):
She's a vegan.

It's AsstChiefMark!

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: AsstChiefMark
Posted 2005-09-11 20:58:11 and read 879 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 17):
It's AsstChiefMark

No. I'm twice her age, don't wear makeup or earrings, and have a lot less hair. And my hair is mostly grEy.  Smile

Oh yeah. I'm a male.

Mark

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: NWA742
Posted 2005-09-11 21:01:15 and read 872 times.

http://www.ptreechaine.org/images/lots%20of%20meat.jpg



Damn I'm hungry now. I think it'll be meat for diinner.

 




-NWA742

[Edited 2005-09-11 21:01:54]

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: 777236ER
Posted 2005-09-11 21:03:53 and read 867 times.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 18):
No. I'm twice her age, don't wear makeup or earrings, and have a lot less hair. And my hair is mostly grEy. Smile

Oh yeah. I'm a male.

One would hope your eyes look in the same direction too.



Another happy, if slightly bizarre vegan. I wonder if being vegan makes you happy, or if happy people are vegans?

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2005-09-11 21:04:22 and read 865 times.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 18):
don't wear makeup or earrings

But for the weekend.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 18):
I'm a male.

You certainly have female characteristics, what with your make-up, ear-rings, high-heels, hair extensions and painted fingernails. Oh, and your skirt makes it kinda obvious, too. Still, each to their own.  Wink

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Jafa39
Posted 2005-09-12 07:34:01 and read 807 times.

Hey, a tip from one who was a vegetarian for a year and now am a confirmed omnivore, when you start to give up things, start with bacon, bacon is the work of satan and has been the undoing of a great many veggies, I know "Veggies" who will never refuse bacon butties if offered, i know heaps of jewish people who eat bacon...be warned..bacon is out to get you!

If you can last a year without it you will probably make a very good vegan, I was a lousy vegetarian but you gotta try these things.

Oh yeah, one more thing...if you try it and end up going back to your old ways, don't beat yourself up over it, your body knows how to look after itself and won't let you do it harm, so if the bacon does get ya, you won't find me calling you names!


Good luck!

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: AvObserver
Posted 2005-09-12 07:37:18 and read 804 times.

I'm not a vegan per se but I do eat a lot meatless foods like soyburgers and even, to many, the dreaded tofurky (or tofu turkey) which I've developed a taste for but which everyone I've given it to sample swears it tastes like cardboard. An episode of the TV sitcom "Everybody Loves Raymond" once illustrated what I've found to be the typical reaction to this "bean curd bird" 'feast'; the average Joe or Jane pretty much finds it unpalatable.

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Vivek0072
Posted 2005-09-12 07:40:03 and read 803 times.

I am a vegan, and have continued to be so. When I came first to US many of my colleagues told me that I will have to change my diet. BUt I feel lucky that I could stick my eating habits. A lot of people in India are vegans.

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: B744F
Posted 2005-09-12 08:10:16 and read 796 times.

Don't eat meat, use to for a time but was brought up a vegan. It is harder to do, and much more expensive. But if you didn't have meat growing up your brain doesn't crave it so it is very easy to do. Anyway it is very healthy if you do it right. Personally the thought of eating flesh is disgusting, not any different than taking a big bite out of your pet dog or cat. but I am in the minority.

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Jafa39
Posted 2005-09-12 09:11:25 and read 791 times.

Quoting B744F (Reply 25):
not any different than taking a big bite out of your pet dog or cat.

Try cooking it first!!  Wink

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Ha763
Posted 2005-09-12 11:28:11 and read 780 times.

I'm partial to the saying, "I didn't climb to the top of the food chain to become a vegetarian."

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 22):
bacon is the work of satan



Mmmmmm bacon. I normally don't like too much pork, but I love to eat bacon.

BTW, I also love to eat tofu cold, cut into cubes, and drizzled with shoyu.

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Jafa39
Posted 2005-09-12 12:07:19 and read 778 times.

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 27):
I normally don't like too much pork, but I love to eat bacon.

Oh no! It has you in its satanic grasp!!!! Quick! is there an exorsist on the flight??

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Kingsford
Posted 2005-09-12 13:16:26 and read 771 times.

Can vegans eat bread, pasta, rice ?

Can vegans eat beans, mushrooms ?

Can vegans eat sugar ?

Can vegans drink milk, eat cheese ?

More and more I am thinking of stopping meat&fish 'cold turkey' (hehe) but the alternatives are not very appetizing.

Isn't Moby a vegan ?

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Airbuzz
Posted 2005-09-12 13:25:01 and read 768 times.

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 11):
I have found Vegan is easy to do, other than checking packaged items and making sure it has no egg or milk products.

I wonder why Vegans do not drink milk. I mean, you don't cause any hurt to a cow if you milk it... or not?

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: RedDragon
Posted 2005-09-13 00:06:53 and read 736 times.

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 22):
Hey, a tip from one who was a vegetarian for a year and now am a confirmed omnivore, when you start to give up things, start with bacon, bacon is the work of satan and has been the undoing of a great many veggies

No no no, you're just wrong - bacon's rubbish! As is...

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 23):
the dreaded tofurky (or tofu turkey) which I've developed a taste for but which everyone I've given it to sample swears it tastes like cardboard

There's a reason for everyone's opinion of tofu you know...  Smile

Quoting Kingsford (Reply 29):
Isn't Moby a vegan ?

Is that putting you on or off?

Rich

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: Jafa39
Posted 2005-09-13 01:30:47 and read 727 times.

Quoting RedDragon (Reply 31):
There's a reason for everyone's opinion of tofu you know...

I actually like it but I do prefer it marinated in Soy or something similar.

Quoting RedDragon (Reply 31):
bacon's rubbish!

I see you're in denial..anger is next, its Ok you're amongst friends..... Smile

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: 1MillionFlyer
Posted 2005-09-13 03:22:09 and read 708 times.

Quoting Catatonic (Reply 12):
In Las Vegas most restaurants we went to only had fries as a vegetarian option!! Also I recently went to New Jersey for 4 weeks and ended giving up being a vegetarian cos your choices are so limited and the hotel we were staying at only had a hob and a microwave to use to cook

You must not have tried too hard, you can do Vegan in any city with no problem in the US.

Go to Subway and get a veggie sub with no cheese, go to an italian restaurant and get plain pasta with Marinara, I don't understand why you had issues, go to a sushi place and get Inari, edamame, and veggie rolls.

Topic: RE: Any A.nutter A Vegan?
Username: LOT767-300ER
Posted 2005-09-13 04:52:03 and read 698 times.

Why do you suddenly want to become a Vegan?

To a Polak this sounds more than mildly retarded UNLESS it is for religious or for some immediate health reason like cholesterol. Yes, but seriously I find it severely F'ed up that someone can think of BS like "the veins of a fruit grow here and here" or this fruit falls and this one grows ground up. In the end, your no different than any other omnivore such as a black bear. This whole cheese and eggs thing is even more crazy...what the hell am I ? A bloody cow or sheep grazing in GKirks backyard! bah


Beef - Its whats for dinner!


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