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Topic: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: MEA310
Posted 2005-09-23 23:40:29 and read 920 times.

I've been encountering endless trouble with my iPod mini; at first some freaky "low batter" messages appeared when I had barely used half of the battery power, I turn it off for a couple of minutes,then it's working fine.
A few days ago I accidently unplugged it from the PC without disconnecting it, the "do not disconnect" message kept appearing for the next day, I couldn't use it no matter what, until it sorted itself out somehow!
As for now, it just wouldn't start. I tried plugging it in the power outlet, to the PC, nothing seems to work, it's totally dead..

Any help, tips?

MEA310

Edit: I forgot to mention that I have a couple of files sitting in it, I used it as a hard disk to transfer files between my computers, does that have anything to do with that?

[Edited 2005-09-23 23:43:10]

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: Matt D
Posted 2005-09-23 23:45:54 and read 912 times.

Step one. Place your Ipod here:



Step two. Get yourself something reliable, such as this:

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: UAalltheway
Posted 2005-09-23 23:53:45 and read 903 times.

Matt D: hahaha...


MEA310: I also had the same problem a couple months ago because I was an idiot myself. The best thing you can do is leave it alone and wait for the battery to drain no matter how long it takes. That should reset it and get it back to normals. It's what apple's tech support told me to do and it seemed to work.

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: SATX
Posted 2005-09-24 00:09:17 and read 892 times.

I have a 3G iPod and it's destroyed about half of the music I had on it. Sometimes it goes crazy and I have to leave it for about 11 hours until it dies before I can use it again. Apple seems to be great a getting the initial design to look and work well, but then they suck on make it dependable. I have a coworker with three iPods, including the new photo version, and they're all like this.

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: Klaus
Posted 2005-09-24 03:17:16 and read 848 times.

Quoting MEA310 (Thread starter):
I've been encountering endless trouble with my iPod mini; at first some freaky "low batter" messages appeared when I had barely used half of the battery power, I turn it off for a couple of minutes,then it's working fine.

How old is your iPod? How many charge/discharge cycles did the battery have so far? A battery can "recover" a bit of extra charge if it's left alone for a while...

If it's still relatively new, you might want to just reset your iPod. For mine it's lock - unlock - hold "MENU" and "CENTER" for at least 6 seconds, but for yours it might be a different procedure (check your manual).

Quoting MEA310 (Thread starter):
A few days ago I accidently unplugged it from the PC without disconnecting it, the "do not disconnect" message kept appearing for the next day, I couldn't use it no matter what, until it sorted itself out somehow!
As for now, it just wouldn't start. I tried plugging it in the power outlet, to the PC, nothing seems to work, it's totally dead..

Looks pretty much as if you disconnected the iPod while the computer was in the process of writing to it. As with any other external drive, the directory structure / free sector map may have become corrupted when you interrupted a write operation. Both the computer and the iPod's internal operating system appear to have problems accessing the damaged data structures.

I would recommend you to attempt a normal volume repair on the iPod (as you would do on any other disk) to correct the damage (your data should be recovered if the damage wasn't too severe). If that should not be possible you would have to re-initialize the iPod with the iPod utility so the iPod's disk is reformatted (your data on the iPod will be lost).

The iPod is always just treated like a disk drive by both the computer and the iPod itself. iTunes just hides the directories in which it stores the transferred music files.

Quoting MEA310 (Thread starter):
Edit: I forgot to mention that I have a couple of files sitting in it, I used it as a hard disk to transfer files between my computers, does that have anything to do with that?

No, your data is just stored as visible directories and files instead of the invisible ones created and managed by iTunes. The iPod will accept any kind of files equally.

Quoting Matt D (Reply 1):
Step one. Place your Ipod here:
Step two. Get yourself something reliable, such as this:

I see. And how do you store gigabytes of user data for transfer between computers on a cassette? How do you carry the tape deck around? How many bags and cases would you need to carry all the tapes equivalent to the iPod's capacity? You seem to have missed the subtle difference between portable and transportable...! Big grin

By the way, I'll rather listen to exact copies of the original digital masters ("lossless compression") if I want excellent quality than to an analog (lossy) tape copy of an analog (lossy) LP recording of the same digital masters...

And then there is that slight discrepancy in weight for portable applications:
- iPod (nano): 48g
- your tape deck: 5000g (ballpark - and that's not even counting any battery)

If anything, the closest thing to an iPod would be this:



This one was a stunning feat of mechanical and electronic engineering: A "micro" Walkman which is actually smaller than a standard cassette case in volume but has an electronically controlled drive mechanism (with electronic remote!), autoreverse, Dolby B and C and even an integrated battery all in that tiny case.

But mine also exhibited the inevitable drawbacks of an analog and mechanical design:
- battery life barely exceeded one single cassette
- the playback head was ever so slightly misaligned and fixed into place - in one direction it was excellently aligned to my DRM-800's heads, in the other direction higher frequencies were basically cut off (and the head was not adjustable)
- even in the best case audio quality was noticeably lower than with the stationary deck
- even with the tiny player, lugging the cassettes and the extra batteries around was quite inconvenient
- compared with the latest iPods, the Walkman was still huge and heavy

So please forgive me if I still find the iPod a major improvement in every single respect...!  bigthumbsup 

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: BAViscount
Posted 2005-09-24 03:25:24 and read 843 times.

Oh dear, another one who's fallen for the iPod hype  wink . I have just one word to say to you..."iRiver". And yes, I too got taken in by the iPod marketing campaign at one time...but now my iPod sits lonely and unloved in a kitchen drawer whilst my iRiver is a constant companion and a life-long friend (well, until the hard drive fails at least)!

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: Klaus
Posted 2005-09-24 03:36:45 and read 838 times.

I must have missed the iRiver model that beats this:

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: Jfkaua
Posted 2005-09-24 03:38:09 and read 835 times.

klaus do you have a nano? I do... have had it for 3 days and the scratches are getting rediculous!

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: Klaus
Posted 2005-09-24 03:57:48 and read 829 times.

I just got my 4GB black one today, so I can't say anything about scratches yet... But I'll certainly try to take good care of it.

It's definitely one of those rare "Wow!" products...  bigthumbsup 

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: BAViscount
Posted 2005-09-24 04:00:35 and read 826 times.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
I must have missed the iRiver model that beats this:

It's not all about looks - sometimes sound quality and reliability play a part too...

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: Clipperhawaii
Posted 2005-09-24 04:10:25 and read 818 times.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
just got my 4GB black one today, so I can't say anything about scratches yet... But I'll certainly try to take good care of it.

It's definitely one of those rare "Wow!" products...

Same here Klaus. I thought the black one was superior in look. I will expect the scratches to come but hey that's part of the deal right? The packaging also was well thought out and designed well. I will bet they spent over 4000 hours alone on just the package/box design itself.

Designed in California and assembled in China. How American!

Enjoy it!

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: SATX
Posted 2005-09-24 04:11:09 and read 817 times.

Quoting BAViscount (Reply 9):
It's not all about looks - sometimes sound quality and reliability play a part too...

iPod...


Sound quality = great
Reliability = crap

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: Jfkaua
Posted 2005-09-24 04:19:33 and read 811 times.

There have been numerous complaints about the scratches on the front screen part.. no matter how careful you are it gets scratched.. even with a glancing fingernail.. I'm curious to see if apple will fix this defect..

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: Klaus
Posted 2005-09-24 04:54:47 and read 800 times.

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 10):
Same here Klaus. I thought the black one was superior in look.

Indeed. It's the most logical model in every sense! Big grin

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 10):
I will expect the scratches to come but hey that's part of the deal right?

Just the right amount of patina is to be expected - I just hope it will remain within limits.

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 10):
The packaging also was well thought out and designed well. I will bet they spent over 4000 hours alone on just the package/box design itself.

I guess by now they're a bit quicker to make a new one;
But I agree, nice packaging can indeed enhance the experience.

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 10):
Designed in California and assembled in China. How American!

From my side of the pond I would actually say that Apple "feels" a lot like a european quality brand in many respects. But I guess it's just another proof that the attitude a company has towards its products and their development can indeed make a major difference regardless where they are located.

Quoting SATX (Reply 11):
Reliability = crap

If you've damaged the disk's data structures by inadvertently disconnecting the cable during write operations, you can expect all kinds of strange effects to result. Just try to verify / repair the iPod's "disk drive" from the operating system and try again. Maybe it's just that.

Quoting Jfkaua (Reply 12):
There have been numerous complaints about the scratches on the front screen part.. no matter how careful you are it gets scratched.. even with a glancing fingernail.. I'm curious to see if apple will fix this defect..

I doubt they'll make major changes to the front casing material just like that... As far as I know you can polish any scratches out again.

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: JBLUA320
Posted 2005-09-24 06:18:15 and read 786 times.

Dump the iPod and get an iRiver. That's what I did and I'm happy with my decision.

JBLU

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: SATX
Posted 2005-09-24 06:53:26 and read 779 times.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
If you've damaged the disk's data structures by inadvertently disconnecting the cable during write operations, you can expect all kinds of strange effects to result.

What do you do when it locks up while connected to the PC? Do you just never disconnect it? Do you shut down the PC? What?

Anyway, I'm pretty sure this was the result of shock-damage. It can't be set-down any way but gently apparently, even though it's fairly heavy. Drop it 2 or 3" onto your desk a be prepared for all kinds of crap.

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: Clipperhawaii
Posted 2005-09-24 07:23:18 and read 771 times.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
From my side of the pond I would actually say that Apple "feels" a lot like a european quality brand in many respects. But I guess it's just another proof that the attitude a company has towards its products and their development can indeed make a major difference regardless where they are located.



You know you are right about a European quality and feel about the iPod. One of the reasons it's so appealing to so many I suppose. It is certainly not like a Japanese product ala Sony.

I purchased mine at an Apple store and I loved the bag it came in all though since I bought a black one I would have liked to have had a black iPod on the bag and not the white one.  Smile

I have not found any faults as yet but I wonder what would happen if it were to hit the floor on it's edge.

Ouch

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: MEA310
Posted 2005-09-24 10:56:36 and read 751 times.

Quoting UAalltheway (Reply 2):
MEA310: I also had the same problem a couple months ago because I was an idiot myself. The best thing you can do is leave it alone and wait for the battery to drain no matter how long it takes. That should reset it and get it back to normals. It's what apple's tech support told me to do and it seemed to work.

Primitive yet effective way to have it running again. I just plugged it in the power outlet and it seems to be charging well, I had a low battery warning first..

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
How old is your iPod? How many charge/discharge cycles did the battery have so far? A battery can "recover" a bit of extra charge if it's left alone for a while...

It's 10 months old, I don't think I'm over 200 times of charging..

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
Looks pretty much as if you disconnected the iPod while the computer was in the process of writing to it. As with any other external drive, the directory structure / free sector map may have become corrupted when you interrupted a write operation. Both the computer and the iPod's internal operating system appear to have problems accessing the damaged data structures.

Not really, I was done writing to it by the time I disconnected it, I just missed ejecting it.


Thank you all for your feedback,

MEA310

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: Klaus
Posted 2005-09-25 03:57:18 and read 706 times.

Quoting SATX (Reply 15):
What do you do when it locks up while connected to the PC? Do you just never disconnect it? Do you shut down the PC? What?

I think I'd first try leaving iTunes (shutting it down normally) and then try to eject it from the file system.

If the file system has confirmed that it has ejected it and you have waited for a few minutes, you probably can't do much more at this moment.

Next step: Try to reset the iPod, re-mount it and perform a file system check on it.

If it keeps acting strangely, my next step would be to restore it with the iPod updated.

Quoting SATX (Reply 15):
Anyway, I'm pretty sure this was the result of shock-damage. It can't be set-down any way but gently apparently, even though it's fairly heavy. Drop it 2 or 3" onto your desk a be prepared for all kinds of crap.

Yes, harddisks have come a really long way since their extremely delicate beginnings, but they should still be handled with care, even the ones used in portable players. It's one of the reasons I never got one before the nano flash-based came out. Plonking them down on a hard surface while the harddisk is running is a very bad idea in any case.

It doesn't matter much if it's an iPod or some Dell or Creative - they all use hardisks from the same 2-3 manufacturers worldwide.

So it is indeed conceivable the harddisk may have a defect; If the problem persists after a file system check and a full restore, it could indeed possibly be defective hardware.

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 16):
You know you are right about a European quality and feel about the iPod. One of the reasons it's so appealing to so many I suppose. It is certainly not like a Japanese product ala Sony.

Although even Sony once offered a similar quality level once upon a time...

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 16):
I have not found any faults as yet but I wonder what would happen if it were to hit the floor on it's edge.

I wouldn't worry too much. You may need to run over it with your car (twice) and then throw it as far as you can on a concrete surface to get rid of it... Big grin

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nano.ars/3

It's a crying shame what they did to the poor Pod, but better to sacrifice one to satisfy the curiosity of many...

Quoting MEA310 (Reply 17):
It's 10 months old, I don't think I'm over 200 times of charging..

That would indeed be too little to expect the battery to just wear out. But the other problems would suggest that there was something else afoot anyway... Sad

Quoting MEA310 (Reply 17):
Not really, I was done writing to it by the time I disconnected it, I just missed ejecting it.

Recommended sequence of measures:
- reset the iPod if it doesn't wake up (hold "MENU" and "Center" for >6s)
- do a file system check on the iPod's drive (in any case!)
- if problems persist, do a re-install with the iPod utility
- if none of the above helps, you may indeed need to contact Apple maintenance
Good luck!

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: UN_B732
Posted 2005-09-25 17:13:38 and read 676 times.

The Nano has LCD problems supposedly, www.flawedmusicplayer.com . iRiver beats that, regardless of how good it may look (or not look) on the outside.

Topic: RE: IPod Mini Trouble..
Username: Klaus
Posted 2005-09-25 17:47:47 and read 662 times.

The question is always how many people had certain problems... with the various iPod models selling in huge numbers, there will certainly be a sizable number of people with the same kinds of problems, even if they are just a tiny percentage of the overall numbers. With the players selling in much lower numbers (which means all of the others) there's neither enough attention nor enough volume to create web sites like that.

Don't get me wrong - it's certainly possible that the massive production ramp-up for the nano might be riddled with unforeseen flaws; But at least thus far mine works perfectly. The picture on the site doesn't look like a plausible LCD manufacturing defect, either. More like damage due to massive force.


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