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Topic: Snow Tires: Studs Or Not?
Username: RNOcommctr
Posted 2005-11-02 00:17:39 and read 1674 times.

My daughter drives a 1998 Honda CRV (AWD) between Greeley and Fort Collins, Colorado every day. Right now the vehicle has standard all-season tires. This area gets a fair amount of snow-- it is just east of the Rockies. I am thinking she should at least have snow tires. But what about studs? What is your experience? Would she be better of with just the snow tires or snow tires with studs?

Thanks for any advice.

Topic: RE: Snow Tires: Studs Or Not?
Username: AsstChiefMark
Posted 2005-11-02 00:27:22 and read 1667 times.

Studded snow tires are quite illegal in Wisconsin. The only exceptions are emergency vehicles, postal vehicles, and school buses.

347.45(2)(c)2.

Such tires may be used only on authorized emergency vehicles, school buses, vehicles used to deliver mail and automobiles with out-of-state registrations and then only if such automobile is in the course of passing through this state for a period of not more than 30 days.



Here's a list of which states allow what and when in regard to studded snow tires:

List of States & Laws

Mark

[Edited 2005-11-02 00:34:42]

Topic: RE: Snow Tires: Studs Or Not?
Username: Nancy
Posted 2005-11-02 01:49:56 and read 1652 times.

If there's a lot of time when there isn't snow, or she will driving in areas without snow into places with snow, I'd go with just snow tires. In Crapchester there's enough times during the winter without snow to make studded tires some what impractical.

Topic: RE: Snow Tires: Studs Or Not?
Username: L-188
Posted 2005-11-02 03:54:42 and read 1629 times.

I am a firm believer in studded tires. Of course up here we don't get the sunlight in winter to burn the ice off the pavement.

However.....


I still haven't put mine on the truck this winter. Which is a first.

Topic: RE: Snow Tires: Studs Or Not?
Username: ANCFlyer
Posted 2005-11-02 04:07:40 and read 1621 times.

I am a firm disbeliever in studded tires . . . .

I have never had them. I have investigated too many accidents where they didn't have any effect at all . . .

I don't use them on my personal truck . . . I figure if you drive in the winter like you have some sense in all that gray matter between your ears, you don't need them. Besides, the "road surface friendly" studs are useless anyway . . .

Waste of money and scam by the tire companies IMO.

A decent set of Mud and Snow tires . . . Goodrich Trailmakers in my case . . . are all that is necessary.

Topic: RE: Snow Tires: Studs Or Not?
Username: DesertJets
Posted 2005-11-02 05:04:31 and read 1609 times.

Any decent snow tire, whether it be a friction tire or a studable tire w/o studs, would be better than all-seasons in the snow, slush, and ice. Unless the roads will be constantly snow and ice packed throughout much of the winter season (or you do some ice racing on the weekends), then studs are not a requirement. And remember AWD doesn't help you stop or steer. You still need quality tires. But if the weather is too foul, or the roads are just in awful condition, then it is best not to be out.

Topic: RE: Snow Tires: Studs Or Not?
Username: Lobster
Posted 2005-11-02 06:34:02 and read 1593 times.

I've never had the need for studded tires, but I've seen the damage they cause the roads out in Spokane. By the way, I live in Northern Minnesota, lots of snow.

Topic: RE: Snow Tires: Studs Or Not?
Username: Prebennorholm
Posted 2005-11-03 01:14:51 and read 1566 times.

Some 25 years ago I had a set of studded snow tires. The studs wore down to useless in less than one winter.

Since then I have used high quality winter tires between roughly Nov 15 and April 1.

What means most is the formulation of the rubber. Go to an automobile club web site and study a test report.

Unfortunately the best winter tires are not only the most expensive, but they also wear down the fastest. But they are worth the extra cost.

We often judge the max speed code (T, V, Z or so) as a quality parameter on tires. Forget about that on winter tires. Very good winter tires often carry the very lowest speed code Q.

In some countries it is forbidden to use tires with a speed code lower than the top speed of the car, for instance Germany. But in a country with a max speed limit of 65 mph I assume that is irrelevant. Even a Q coded tire is good for up to max 100 mph.

Get the narrowest rims and tires which are legal on the car. A narrow tire penetrates much better through slush. They also pass through snow drifts with better directional stability. Narrow tires have the disadvantage that they easier get stuck in deep, lose snow, but since its an AWD, then that's not your daughter's problem. Long time before she experiences that problem she will be stuck behind hundreds of stuck 2WD cars.

Topic: RE: Snow Tires: Studs Or Not?
Username: N1120A
Posted 2005-11-03 01:18:31 and read 1563 times.

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 7):
But in a country with a max speed limit of 65 mph I assume that is irrelevant.

Actually, there is no national maximum speed limit in the US

Topic: RE: Snow Tires: Studs Or Not?
Username: Cactus739
Posted 2005-11-03 01:24:26 and read 1556 times.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):

If there's a snowstorm....I want you on my tires....  Wink

Topic: RE: Snow Tires: Studs Or Not?
Username: ScarletHarlot
Posted 2005-11-03 01:25:16 and read 1554 times.

Studded tires are generally illegal in Canada (certainly in Ontario) and if we can do without them in Canada, you can do without them in Colorado! People use them around here and all they do is cause these huge ruts in the roads.

Lobster, where in Northern Minnesota? I grew up in Thunder Bay.

Topic: RE: Snow Tires: Studs Or Not?
Username: N1120A
Posted 2005-11-03 01:25:34 and read 1553 times.

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 9):
If there's a snowstorm....I want you on my tires....

Awww, how sweet. Too bad you have no chance Coffee Boy  Silly

Topic: RE: Snow Tires: Studs Or Not?
Username: Prebennorholm
Posted 2005-11-03 01:39:56 and read 1550 times.

Studs are good when they are brand new, and when there is clear, wet ice on the road.

When was it that I last time was driving on clear, wet ice? It was 19th March 1993 in Estonia - when Estonia was an extremely poor country with very few cars, and two years before the last Russian troops left the country.

But since then I have driven a million miles on salty slush. From December through March a zillion tonnes of salt is spread all over my country, making studs useless.


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