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Topic: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: Falcon84
Posted 2005-11-10 05:33:45 and read 946 times.

So, which one is it?

I think his stories, recently, have gone a bit downhill, but I have enjoyed reading his books over the years, although they can get a bit windy at times.

My favorites are Debt of Honor and The Sum of All Fears. I haven't read all of the books (Without Remorse comes to mind), but I do always enjoy what he writes.

Your takes.

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: Photopilot
Posted 2005-11-10 05:41:53 and read 940 times.

I'd have to agree that Debt of Honor is a great novel, but I also really enjoyed Red Storm Rising.

A great author and spinner of techno-novels.

Let's hope for more great stuff.

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: BCAInfoSys
Posted 2005-11-10 05:42:41 and read 937 times.

Rainbow Six and Bear and the Dragon have been some of my favorites. However, I was very under-whelmed with Teeth of the Tiger. It was not a great book, and I was unhappy to see the generation shift from the Jack Ryan era to the next, but I could've lived with it. His last book really left the opening for him to continue this new era and I'm sure I could've adjusted to it in time, but then he inexplicably stopped. He just abandoned this new era and said that ToT would be his "last Jack Ryan book". I think he's really gone downhill and sold out to the profits of ghost-writing.

My new favorite author has been Vince Flynn. If you like Clancy, you will LOVE Flynn. He's absolutely amazing! His series (about 6-7 books long so far) is beyond reproach. I picked up his first book when I was waiting at YVR for a flight to MAN when I was 16. I finished the entire thing (700-800 pages) by the time I landed in the UK (YVR-ORD-LHR-MAN). It was THAT good. Seriously. All of you, go read Term Limits (his first book) and I promise you won't be disappointed. I personally will loan out my copy, or if you purchase it and hate it, I will reimburse you. It's just that good! Once you read Term Limits, you will eagerly read the rest and await his new releases as I have. His latest only came out a few weeks ago. Finished in just a few days! Loaned it out and eagerly awaiting it back to re-read it!

Steve

[Edited 2005-11-10 05:46:05]

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: BCAInfoSys
Posted 2005-11-10 05:44:50 and read 936 times.

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 1):
I'd have to agree that Debt of Honor is a great novel, but I also really enjoyed Red Storm Rising.

I'd completely forgotten about Red Storm Rising. One of the best Cold War era thrillers ever. Great book! Read it 4-5 times.

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 1):
Let's hope for more great stuff.

Unfortunately, there is no more. Clancy is done writing is traditional series and has focused on his crap "Ops Center" series (seriously shit), and his series of co-authored non-fiction. The non-fictions are ok, but not spectacular. I try to remember Clancy for his glory days (the Jack Ryan series), and ignore what he has become of late...

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: ScarletHarlot
Posted 2005-11-10 05:50:22 and read 932 times.

I loved Patriot Games. Hated the movie. Now, Hunt for Red October, that was a damned good movie, and close to the book. Patriot Games was just ruined in the movie.

I haven't read any of his books in years, actually. I never finished the one with Ryan as president and haven't read any since.

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: UALPHLCS
Posted 2005-11-10 06:04:40 and read 925 times.

All of Tom Clancy's books are on my shelf. And I've read them all several times. I have to say I agree that his work slipped a bit in recent years. Rainbow Six and The Bear and the Dragon I think are the weakest books he has written. Red Rabbit was a decent comback, and I rahter like Teeth of the Tiger, but I bagan to notice in Teeth of the Tiger that he bagan to repeat phrases he like alot over and over in the book. several charaters say the exact same thing many times in ToT.

As for my favorites I'd have to put Red Storm Rising high on the list. Sum of all Fears actually scared me. Just an amazing climax. Without Remorse is a great book Falcon84, you should read it. It's about Mr. Clark before he was CIA. Without a doubt Hunt For Red October is his best. As one of the shortest books he's written it has an economy to it that keps the story moving. It doesn't get bogged down in side plots like some later books and it was rooted so deeply in facts and current events. The later books seemed fantastical in some ways.

I bought the first Op-Center book and slogged through it. It was dreadful and I refuse to read anything from that franchise or from other one he has. If he didn't write it I don't want to read it.

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: USAFHummer
Posted 2005-11-10 06:09:28 and read 923 times.

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
I haven't read all of the books (Without Remorse comes to mind),

Without Remorse is pretty interesting, though it can be boring at times...you'll like it if you're really into the Clancy books and want to know more about John Clark, since Without Remorse is basically about his early life, before getting involved with the CIA, why he is who he is in the future books, etc....its a nice change of pace from the other books...

Ive read all of the real ones (the Jack Ryan set, etc.) except for Red Rabbit, which I purchased but absolutely could not continue after 50 pages (way too boring, and thats saying something since I rarely put a book down for good without finishing it)...

Steve, I'll be dropping by my local bookstore tomorrow to take you up on that offer with this Vince Flynn guy's books...hope you're right  Wink I'll let you know in a few days what I thought...

Greg

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: BCAInfoSys
Posted 2005-11-10 06:13:14 and read 921 times.

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 6):
Steve, I'll be dropping by my local bookstore tomorrow to take you up on that offer with this Vince Flynn guy's books...hope you're right Wink I'll let you know in a few days what I thought...

Oh Greg, I promise you won't be disappointed. Term Limits was amazing, really a "ends vs means" kind of book. And then I can't remember the title (too lazy to look it up), but then there was the 3rd or so book in the series where terrorists take control of the White House and special ops are in a race to retake the White House before the terrorists gain access to the bunker where the President/Secret Service are camped out. It's really just that good. I gurantee you won't be disappointed.

I think I've gotten a feel for you at least a little bit by now. Don't walk, run to the bookstore! You will love him. Just read them in order. Term Limits first. Then in the 2nd or 3rd novel the main character Mitch Rapp is introduced. You'll be hooked from then on.

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: ScarletHarlot
Posted 2005-11-10 06:17:27 and read 918 times.

Now I remember - Without Remorse made me cry. That was a really good book. Sum of all Fears scared the bejeebers out of me too. I am not sure I could read that one more than once.

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: ANCFlyer
Posted 2005-11-10 06:18:05 and read 918 times.

Not an easy question. I have them all . . . every one. They are all great . . . the continuity between them is fantastic.

I've met Clancy twice . . . in DC. THe guy chain smokes Marlboros and drinks Scotch (Famous Grouse of course) and/or Martinis . . .

Last time I saw him was at the O'Club at Ft. Myer with LTG Fred Franks . . . interesting character . . . highly critical of the Iraq War, highly respected amongst the military circles at the 5 sided funny farm.

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: ANCFlyer
Posted 2005-11-10 06:40:14 and read 906 times.

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 3):
Unfortunately, there is no more. Clancy is done writing is traditional series

There is more - he's started a series about Little Jack Ryan . . . pretty good thus far . . .

The Teeth of the Tiger (2003)
Features the rise of Jack Ryan's son, Jack Ryan Jr, as an intelligence analyst for The Campus, an off-the-books intelligence agency, following the retirement of Jack Sr. from the Presidency. Note: This is the latest book of the Jack Ryan series by Tom Clancy, introducing his son and his two nephews as heirs to his spook-legacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy

The OpCenter series and that other one are crap - you're right. Clancy doesn't write those though . . . his name is on the cover to sell the series.

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: BCAInfoSys
Posted 2005-11-10 06:43:17 and read 903 times.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
The Teeth of the Tiger (2003)
Features the rise of Jack Ryan's son, Jack Ryan Jr, as an intelligence analyst for The Campus, an off-the-books intelligence agency, following the retirement of Jack Sr. from the Presidency. Note: This is the latest book of the Jack Ryan series by Tom Clancy, introducing his son and his two nephews as heirs to his spook-legacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy

Oh my arctic friend. If you had noticed, I already explicitly mentioned Teeth of the Tiger (ToT).

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 2):
However, I was very under-whelmed with Teeth of the Tiger. It was not a great book, and I was unhappy to see the generation shift from the Jack Ryan era to the next, but I could've lived with it. His last book really left the opening for him to continue this new era and I'm sure I could've adjusted to it in time, but then he inexplicably stopped. He just abandoned this new era and said that ToT would be his "last Jack Ryan book". I think he's really gone downhill and sold out to the profits of ghost-writing.

However, it is my understanding that he decided not to continue the "Jack Jr." series, even though he totally let himself open for an effortless sequel. It's common internet knowledge that the Jack and short-lived Jack Jr. series are dead. I wish there was more. But to the best of my knowledge, the "classic" Clancy's are gone and done for.

My biggest gripe was the jump from one series to the next. They killed off Robby Jackson in the past-tense, without ever telling it as it happened. When i first read it, I was like "WTF?! Did I miss something? When did Robby die?" I just think Clancy is a lazy, pathetic punk who doesn't have the energy to continue what he started.

Edit: I just read the link you provided. Any news of a sequel to Teeth of the Tiger is news to me. I was pretty sure the series was over before it began...

[Edited 2005-11-10 06:46:16]

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: ANCFlyer
Posted 2005-11-10 06:54:41 and read 897 times.

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 11):
Edit: I just read the link you provided. Any news of a sequel to Teeth of the Tiger is news to me. I was pretty sure the series was over before it began...

I didn't know there was a sequel planned either. I have read Teeth, and I like it - so far . . .  thumbsup 

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 11):
Oh my arctic friend. If you had noticed, I already explicitly mentioned Teeth of the Tiger (ToT).

My Bad . . . what I get for trying to post and work at the same time . . .

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: Springbok747
Posted 2005-11-10 07:10:46 and read 891 times.

So far I've only read one Clancy novel - The Sum of All Fears, and I loved it.

I love all the Tom Clancy computer games though - Splinter Cell, Rainbow Six and the Ghost Recon games....they're awesome  bigthumbsup 

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: HT
Posted 2005-11-10 07:12:47 and read 891 times.

I´ve read his original fiction books from "The hunt for Red October" to "Executive Orders". From those, "Red Storm Rising" is my favourite, but most others come close.

"Rainbow Six" was the last one I read and I did not really enjoyed it.
Even worse were the 2 or 3 "Op-center" books that I read.
I quit reading TC after those ("The bear and the dragon" has been sitting on my shelf unread since its publication as paperback - maybe someday during a long beach-vacation I´ll give it another try ...).
-HT

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: CaptOveur
Posted 2005-11-10 08:57:39 and read 880 times.

Red Storm Rising.. Truly his greatest book.

His 2 most recent books were pure crap, I think he must have needed money.

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: PhotoLPPT
Posted 2005-11-10 10:02:39 and read 870 times.

Hunt for Red October is my favorite, followed closely by The Cardinal of the Kremlin. The Jack Ryan is my favorite book collection, have all the books on my shelf.

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: Garnetpalmetto
Posted 2005-11-10 13:20:18 and read 855 times.

Started reading his stuff when I was in 4th grade and received a copy of the computer game version of "The Hunt for Red October" which included a free copy of the book. Since then I've read and reread all of the Ryan series, a good many of the nonfiction books (Submarine< Armored Cav, Fighter Wing, Carrier, Every Man a Tiger) and a couple of the co-authored books (mainly in the Net Force series). I'd have to agree that Clancy as of late seems to have lost his touch and is just mailing it in, knowing that his name alone will sell books. Haven't read Teeth of the Tiger, but after Red Rabbit was such unmitigated crud, I'd be afraid to touch it. I'd have to say my favorite would be the original - Hunt for Red October. Also a fan of Red Storm Rising and Debt of Honor, though. As far as bad movie adaptations go, I'd say the worst, beyond Patriot Games was The Sum of All Fears. I watched that and couldn't believe how badly the plot had been mangled.

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: ANCFlyer
Posted 2005-11-10 13:23:40 and read 854 times.

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 17):
Started reading his stuff when I was in 4th grade and received a copy of the computer game version of "The Hunt for Red October" which included a free copy of the book.

I feel  old  now . . . .

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: Miamiair
Posted 2005-11-10 13:52:10 and read 848 times.

Red Storm Rising is my favorite. I do have all of his Jack Ryan stuff and some of the non-fiction. I enjoyed The Hunt For Red October, which I think he co-wrote with Larry Bond. I also enjoyed Bond's books. Clancy is one of my favorite authors, the other one being W.E.B. Griffen. Great books, in my opinion, WEB has written.

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: Doona
Posted 2005-11-10 13:57:20 and read 845 times.

There are lots of good ones, my favorites are Rainbow 6, The Bear and the Dragon, and Red Storm Rising... I've devoured every single one of his books. Love 'em!

Cheers
Mats

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: Garnetpalmetto
Posted 2005-11-10 14:04:09 and read 843 times.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
I feel  old  now . . . .

Sorry, ANC - no intents of making you feel like a member of the Metamucil Club, just stating that I'd been reading the guy's work for close to 15 years now. If anything you should wonder what parent in their right mind lets an 8-9 year old read that  Wink

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: ANCFlyer
Posted 2005-11-10 14:34:34 and read 835 times.

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 21):
If anything you should wonder what parent in their right mind lets an 8-9 year old read that

More realistic than Harry Potter I reckon. No big deal.

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 21):
Sorry, ANC

No worries . . .

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 21):
Metamucil Club

 irked   wink 

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: HT
Posted 2005-11-10 14:45:59 and read 833 times.

Quoting HT (Reply 14):
"Red Storm Rising" is my favourite,

BTW, the reason for this probably is that I´m quite familiar with the area that served as the battle field in Germany in that novel and have lived vividly through those tensions of the 80´s-style of Cold War. Therefore I had a rather close relation to major parts of that novel.
-HT

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2005-11-10 14:56:31 and read 806 times.

Never had the Paitence to read a Novel ever.How do you readers do it.  Smile
regds
MEL

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: TPASXM787
Posted 2005-11-10 15:00:51 and read 804 times.

Wow...really enjoyed a lot of them.

Red October-->was the first that I read
Red Storm Rising-->Excellent, action packed
Debt of Honor/Executive Orders-->reading those back to back...maybe the best that I have read
Cardinal of the Kremlin-->was great also

And I know there are a few I have missed...I enjoyed Red Rabbit, but didn't really get into Teeth of the Tiger. It's sitting in the shelf, maybe I'll get back to it one day.

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: Pope
Posted 2005-11-10 15:34:51 and read 795 times.

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 21):
member of the Metamucil Club

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: ANCFlyer
Posted 2005-11-10 16:16:09 and read 791 times.

Quoting Pope (Reply 26):



 wink 

Topic: RE: Favorite Clancy Novel
Username: Navymidn
Posted 2005-11-10 17:01:12 and read 783 times.

I have all of his books on my shelf, his real books that is. Of all of these, I would have to say my favorites are Without Remorse and Red Storm Rising. The human drama in Without Remorse is gut-wrenching, and Red Storm Rising might be the best Cold War book I've ever read.


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