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Political Correctness Gone Mad  
User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8461 posts, RR: 10
Posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2261 times:
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I just saw on Sky that a carol service held annually in St Martin-in-the-Field's to remember victims of murder is in danger of losing its government funding as it "could be seen as a Christian service, and could therefore exclude certain members of the community". The quote is from a letter from a government worker to the organiser.

WTF is next, cancel Christmas?


After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3771 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Quoting Andz (Thread starter):
WTF is next, cancel Christmas?

Well, in the US it's "Happy holidays" instead of "Christmas", so as to include Chanukah and kwanzaa. It's getting ridiculous.

"So," says Connie, the newsreporter, "I'm going home to enjoy the 'holidays' with my family in my white-bread suburb." My ass. What's wrong in saying christmas in this case? Does it offend Jewish people that everybody does not have the same religion as them? I doubt it. Would Christians be offended if a Jewish weatherman mentioned Chanukah? In a society that's supposed to be free, how come we pretend that there is nothing that makes us different from each other?

Cherish what you have in common, celebrate what sets you apart!

Cheers
Mats



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8731 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

Quoting Doona (Reply 1):
It's getting ridiculous.

Seems like it - I'm really glad you don't get to see this kind of political correctness in my country; at least I can't remember to have seen it. Many people do say "Happy Holidays" ("Frohes Fest") here, but that term has been around far, far longer than any political correctness.



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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

Quoting Andz (Thread starter):
WTF is next, cancel Christmas?

Funny you say that.... there was something here in England last week where Christmas lights were banned in a Lambeth town centres, and renamed as Winter Celebration lights, for fear of upsetting Non-Christians.

This decision was later reversed after it was claimed to be a juniror clerical error.

7LBAC111



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

While visiting Texas during the holiday season two years ago, store clerks would ALWAYS say "Merry Christmas" to me. After a few times, I finally started replying, "Don't assume I'm a Christian." They often appeared to be clueless as to why I'd say that.

Around the Minneapolis area, the clerks say, "Happy Holidays."

Mark


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5739 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
While visiting Texas during the holiday season two years ago, store clerks would ALWAYS say "Merry Christmas" to me.

Why wouldn't they???  Confused  Confused  Confused


User currently offlineLazyshaun From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Its the same with celebrating Nelsons victory at Trafalgar, when they re-acted the battle the French and Spanish were in Red and the British Blue (or viceversa), incase it offended anyone.

Well I'm sorry but it did happen 200 years ago, and I don't think theres many French or Spanish people who will remember it happening. If they had won, and they acted the battle out I think its unlikely that they would take that proportion. And I'd be glad if they didn't, because they have a right to celebrate their victory as much as we can ours. CAn any Spanieds or French please tell me if they would be offended if they were called Spain and France instead of being RED?

It really has gone mad, I don't care what anybody says.



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User currently offlineFLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

Last year, there were examples all over the country of people being told to take down posters about Christmas for fear of offending or excluding non-Christians; so why, therefore, did the Parade (the main High Street) in Leamington Spa have some massive lights stretching across the street spelling out "Happy Diwali"? Doesn't that exclude me, as a Christian?

The world's going crazy. Somebody should give these PC do-gooders a whack in the face and see if it wakes them up to reality.



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User currently offlineGordonsmall From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2001, 2161 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

Quoting Andz (Thread starter):
WTF is next, cancel Christmas?

Sounds like a damn fine idea to me!

Why people still insist on celebrating Christmas is beyond me, it's an ancient ritual based on lies and mis-direction.

I once heard it said by someone that "the biggest problem with christianity was the fact that they tried to celebrate on Dec 25th, if jesus had been born any other day than christmas the whole religion would be better off - after all, who wants to spend christmas day worshipping jesus". I didn't have the heart to correct him.  Smile



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 5):
Why wouldn't they???



Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
I finally started replying, "Don't assume I'm a Christian."

They're wishing a person Merry Christmas...thereby assuming the person they're saying it to is a Christian. What about the Jews, Muslums, and Kwanza folks? Then there are all the less-known religions and sects.

Mark


User currently offlineLazyshaun From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

Its just a subjetcthat really pisses me off  Angry

I don't mind Hindu's celebrating Divali and puting up lights and whatever, but don't you dare complain about excluding non-christians at Christmas. Your living in a Christian COUNTRY!!!!!!
I'm not being funny, but if I went to a Hindu or Muslim or whatever country and complained about them excluding me from their religious beliefs, then I would expect to be deported or beaten up etc, because its bloody disrespectful.



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5739 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 9):
They're wishing a person Merry Christmas...thereby assuming the person they're saying it to is a Christian.

I don't think they're necessarily assuming anything... maybe they are wishing you a merry Christmas because the holiday IS called Christmas?


User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 8):
Why people still insist on celebrating Christmas

To get presents of course, I don't believe in god and Jesus but I still enjoy Christmas.

The Sorcerer



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
While visiting Texas during the holiday season two years ago, store clerks would ALWAYS say "Merry Christmas" to me

It's not like they were tlling you to go F*** off  Wink
just telling you to enjoy the Christmas holiday, regardless of you religious belief. I would not mind if they wished me a happy Chanukah  Smile



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

Quoting Lazyshaun (Reply 10):
I don't mind Hindu's celebrating Divali and puting up lights and whatever, but don't you dare complain about excluding non-christians at Christmas. Your living in a Christian COUNTRY!!!!!!
I'm not being funny, but if I went to a Hindu or Muslim or whatever country and complained about them excluding me from their religious beliefs, then I would expect to be deported or beaten up etc, because its bloody disrespectful.

And this is the problem. It is not, and never has been, the Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Jewish or any other community that complains. On the contrary, they usually react with fury to such stupidity, precisely because it encourages reactions such as your own. Invariably, they say that such ideas are stupid, that they don't have the slightest objection to Christmas, Easter or whatever celebrations, and that crass, idiotic do-gooders should shut up and leave things as they are.

It is white, possibly Christian loonies who create offence where none existed, and who create racial and religious tension by dividing a community where no division was present.

I've lost count of the number of times I've heard a spokesman for the local mosque/temple (whatever) lose his temper on the radio or television about this. They hate the political correctness as much as anyone else - especially when bloody fools are supposedly doing it on their behalf.



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
While visiting Texas during the holiday season two years ago, store clerks would ALWAYS say "Merry Christmas" to me. After a few times, I finally started replying, "Don't assume I'm a Christian." They often appeared to be clueless as to why I'd say that.

You, know, I'm jewish, and I just don't get it.

It never bothered me when people said Merry Christmas to me, and as a matter of fact I always wish them the same.

Maybe I do it because PC has gone nuts, or I'm just being nice to people who have said somthing nice to me. I just don't see any need to be rude.

So what if someone tells you have a happy ramadan, aren't they just trying to be nice?


User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
While visiting Texas during the holiday season two years ago, store clerks would ALWAYS say "Merry Christmas" to me. After a few times, I finally started replying, "Don't assume I'm a Christian." They often appeared to be clueless as to why I'd say that.

Gosh, how they dare to wish you happiness!!! Get real pal, you live in a Christian country. You are free to practice your own faith, but don't get mad just because the MAJORITY celebrates Christmas.

Quoting Lazyshaun (Reply 10):
Your living in a Christian COUNTRY!!!!!!

Damn right. Imagine that you were living in Israel and you get all pissed off just because your neighbors celebrate Purim!!! It'd be non-sense, right? Well, in countries where the vast majority are Christians we celebrate Christmas, so please respect our right to have a religious celebration.


User currently offlineLentigomaligna From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

The things is that Christmas is cultural, not just religious. I can't say that I believe in a deified Jesus Christ in any way shape or form (despite my membership in a quasi-Christian faith), nor does much of my family, but we still celebrate the holiday just the same. Christmas is about Christ for a limited number of people. For most it's much more about family, giving, tradition, etc.

I can see that the government shouldn't shove Christmas down the throats of people, but that doesn't mean we have to spend all of our energy to forget the fact that there's this holiday that nearly everyone celebrates happening nor to avoid anything that could possibly be construed as advocating Christianity.

(Plus it's a Pagan holiday anyway)

Quoting Lazyshaun (Reply 10):
You're living in a Christian COUNTRY!!!!!!

The U.S. isn't.

[Edited 2005-11-13 07:39:54]

User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 3):
for fear of upsetting Non-Christians.

Why it is considered Ok to upset Christians is beyond me...

Quoting Banco (Reply 14):
It is white, possibly Christian loonies who create offence where none existed, and who create racial and religious tension by dividing a community where no division was present.

Well said mate, spot on!!!


User currently offlineSolarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Political Correctness is getting way out of hand. I find it amazing when 99% have to change their ways just because 1% are offended. What ever happened to "majority rules" ???

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 16):
After a few times, I finally started replying, "Don't assume I'm a Christian." They often appeared to be clueless as to why I'd say that.

Wouldn't it be easier to just say "Thanks" and be on your way? I don't get offended by other religions or cultures celebrating their own holidays. Why should you?

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 8):
Sounds like a damn fine idea to me! Why people still insist on celebrating Christmas is beyond me, it's an ancient ritual based on lies and mis-direction.

Sounds like somebody got a bag of a coal last year  Smile


User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2006 times:

Does anyone remember back a few years ago in Berekely, CA the city hung the Christmas trees upside down along the streets and they could only be referred to as "seasonal shapes."

User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2000 times:
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I just don't get all this stuff. Here we have pretty much every faith represented, the Moslems don't complain about Easter, the Christians don't complain about Diwali, everybody lives their life and gets along (mostly). I agree with some of the above posts that the average person of whatever persuasion just wants to live their life, it is some pencil neck official with too much time on their hands who causes ructions.


After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 11):
I don't think they're necessarily assuming anything... maybe they are wishing you a merry Christmas because the holiday IS called Christmas?

Who's holiday? Not mine.


User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

Quoting Flyboy36y (Reply 22):
Who's holiday? Not mine.

The one the whole country gets time off for, regardless of religious affiliation, thats whose holiday.... and remember, in many "Christian" countries, Muslims will get time off for Eides, Hindus, Divali, Jews, Hanukah AND Christmas, you don't get Osama Bin Laden waving his AK 47 about complaining because Muslims don't have to work over Christmas, it is this that makes the whole PC anti-christmas thing a crock of shit.


User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 23):
The one the whole country gets time off for, regardless of religious affiliation, thats whose holiday.... and remember, in many "Christian" countries, Muslims will get time off for Eides, Hindus, Divali, Jews, Hanukah AND Christmas, you don't get Osama Bin Laden waving his AK 47 about complaining because Muslims don't have to work over Christmas, it is this that makes the whole PC anti-christmas thing a crock of shit.

First, there is nothing PC about it. If a total stranger wishes me a merry christmass, I wont really care because they are trying to be kind. But if someone whe know me to any degree (where they know im a Jew) and wish me a merry christmass then I consider them to be inconsiderate. When I go to eat with my catholic friends during lent I dont order meat out of respect. When I see my muslim friends fasting on ramadan I don't eat where they can see me (unless they are in the cafeteria). So, why can't christians do me the favor of wishing me a happy holliday that I actually subscribe to? By wishing me a "merry christmass" they are not wishing me a happy holiday. The net effect is zero. They may as well not wish me anything at all.


25 Jafa39 : And how will they know you are Jewish, are you hasidic or are you wearing a badge? if you are so considerate to other cultures why don't you tolerate
26 L410Turbolet : Maybe you should relax a little bit and don't get so worked up over such minor things such as wishing you a happy ......
27 777236ER : Bam! It didn't take too long, but someone had to come up with this beauty. 1. Britain isn't Christian, it's secular. There is no national religion. 2
28 Post contains images Boeing Nut : Man, it's crap like this that just makes me want to pack up everything I own and move to the Conch Republic.
29 Swisskloten : Just go to the archived section of this website. Political correctness is everywhere! You just have to look in the right places.
30 Post contains images David b. : Fcuk PCness. STFU and have a Marry Christmas [Edited 2005-11-13 18:52:42]
31 CPH757 : Well, I will certainly start out by not being political correct then; I hate religion!! I'm glad that most of you agree with the thread starter. It se
32 Airbus3801 : I don't he was disrespecting anyone, but according to the law in the United States, if that is the country you were referring to, you are not allowed
33 Mdsh00 : I'm not Christian but honestly, I don't get offended if someone wishes me Merry Christmas. Heck, I have a Christmas tree in my house. I don't understa
34 Aerorobnz : Christmas had roots as a pagan festival long before the Theocratic Catholic church changed the name to Christmas and made it a Christian festival. The
35 Post contains links and images NWOrientDC10 : B.C. and A.D. are being replaced by B.C.E. - "before the common era" and A.C.E. - "after the common era". ...the common era, hmmmm.... whatever Anothe
36 Csavel : Never really cared if someone wished me Merry Christmas, even though I'm not Christian, I really can't see getting worked up over it. Maybe if I was i
37 Pope : On the Today show this AM, they reported that Nedow (the guy who is fighting on taking out "under God" in the pledge) is going to file suit this week
38 Doona : What the hell (sorry, "bad place") is the "common era"? When exactly did this "era" occur? In between "before" and "after" doesn't really leave that
39 Superfly : Big deal. It shouldn't have been put there in the first place. That hookline was inserted during the McCarthy era.
40 Lazyshaun : True. No. What is racism? Isn't everyone slightly racist to a degree? It is in mans nature to hate. No matter what anyone says, we're animals, and we
41 SFOMEX : Hard to believe, but it's true. A few nuts from Las Cruces, NM are suing the city to take the crosses away from the city seal. The issue here is that
42 Redngold : I've read most of the responses and this is how I feel: Christmas has become a very secularized holiday and is ingrained in American culture through "
43 KiwiinOz : The South East Asian countries seem to have a more sensible approach to this. Every religious, cultural event get's huge recognition, from Christmas,
44 Mdsh00 : Exactly, and only to make a statement agianst the USSR, just like putting "under God" in the pledge. The original reasons for inserting it are no lon
45 Post contains images Solarix : Hey I'm all for that. The more holidays we get...the less I work...the better life is
46 Doona : PCness is just an invention of our governments, to create offence where none exists, so as to give the impression of doing something for cultural inte
47 DaddiesSecret : Britain is NOT secular no matter what Blair pretends, the head of state is also head of the Church of England. In fact it is so un-f*cking-secular th
48 Fumanchewd : I'm all for people celebrating religious holidays in whatever way they wish (especially pagan orgies). However, I commend any government attempting to
49 Fumanchewd : Haha!! Just like Henry VIII, the English do what you have to do![Edited 2005-11-16 10:32:59]
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