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Michael Owen - Englands Best Ever Striker?  
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24914 posts, RR: 56
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

Ashamedly I have to admit, Michael Owen seems to be in a class of his own when it comes to being a striker.
So, is he Englands greatest striker?Could very well be.

People, stupidly, are focussing on Wayne Rooney, when Englands main dangerman is Michael Owen.


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

Kirkie, are you OK? This is dangerously close to praise?  Wow!

Statistically (and those alive at the time agree) Jimmy Greaves would probably be the best. 44 goals in 57 games is an astonishing record.

Owen's extremely good, but I think Lineker was a better finisher.



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User currently offlineTIMC From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2126 times:

bollocks... he scores two goals to rescue England, doesn't mean he's any better than any of the rest of them

User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Not a fair game.Goddamit!!!! Damn Brits!!  gnasher 

Mike



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 3):
Not a fair game.Goddamit!!!! Damn Brits!!

It was a friendly, mate. Relax. We knew beforehand that England were good, and that Argentina were good. It could have gone either way and was a terrific game. Nothing changes as a result, does it?



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 1):
I think Lineker was a better finisher

That was the first name that sprang to mind. I do think Owen was a top striker a few years ago but he seems to have lost something.

Quoting Banco (Reply 1):
Jimmy Greaves would probably be the best. 44 goals in 57 games is an astonishing record.

Didn't Brian Clough get a phenomenal number of goals per game during his England career?


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 5):
Didn't Brian Clough get a phenomenal number of goals per game during his England career?

No, he only played twice for England. His career was cut short by injury. His club record was awesome though, something like 250 goals in 270 games.



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User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2064 times:

I think Owen possesses more passing and playmaking skills than Lineker. He is a more complete player, I think, while not falling short in terms of goal-scoring abilities.

 Smile


User currently offlineTPAnx From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

Striker? Not another one of those "industrial actions" is it?  Wink
TPAnx



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17366 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
Michael Owen seems to be in a class of his own

I'm sure he's a great striker but he's F$*($#G HOT!  Silly



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24914 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2045 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
I'm sure he's a great striker but he's F$*($#G HOT! Silly

Oh dear, it only took 9 replies  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 6):
No, he only played twice for England. His career was cut short by injury. His club record was awesome though, something like 250 goals in 270 games.

Oops! When he died I was surprised to hear what his strike rate was - I guess I just fused the two facts. That explains why no-one (else) ever mentions his England scoring rate.  Smile

[Edited 2005-11-13 11:17:54]

User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 7):
I think Owen possesses more passing and playmaking skills than Lineker. He is a more complete player, I think, while not falling short in terms of goal-scoring abilities

Wouldn't you say Lineker was generally more of a 6-yard box predator while Owen gets a lot of his goals from further out? As far as all round skill goes, I am one of those who believes Rooney has it. If he could just stop losing the rag quite so often.

Quoting Banco (Reply 1):
Statistically (and those alive at the time agree) Jimmy Greaves would probably be the best.

A lot of people would agree with that. It's a pity he didn't get a starring role in the World Cup final in 1666 (just before the Great Fire burned Wembley Stadium down).  Smile


User currently offlineJamman From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2032 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 12):
I am one of those who believes Rooney has it.

As much as I think Rooney looks like a Chav I have to agree with you, when he gets the ball you always know good things are going to happen.
I'll take my hat off to him for last night he played like a Gent, helping opposing players back on their feet and not losing his rag, much.  Smile



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User currently offlineVS747SPUR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Owen is world class, so is Rooney. Owen has to be up there amongst Englands best strikers, along with Peter Crouch  Wink


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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1994 times:

Don't get me wrong, I do rate Owen. Maybe his dip in form was more to do with the players around him and the style of his teams at the time. Crouch is better than a lot seem to think - I guess the jury's still out on his England career.

User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1994 times:

Quoting VS747SPUR (Reply 14):
along with Peter Crouch

England's very own Carsten Jancker. Big grin



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User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

I think Rooney had more players running after him last night than Owen. And that flip that he attempted over the keeper was really good and was unlucky to hit the post as well.
Good news to England, both are great strikers.


User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1938 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

I'd definitely rate him as among the very best. Owen often has the poise and finishing skils when you need them most. I think his dip in form for England has been much more down to problems in the midfield than to himself. I wish, oh I wish, England would cut down on the desperate long ball forward strategy from the back. Owen is a short guy. He won't win headers, and if he has to spend the whole game chasing the ball when England keep giving up possession, he won't score. On the other hand, if you put the ball in the right place for him, he will come alive in his undertstated way.

These days Rooney is even more exciting, but it is too bad he acts (and looks) like a gorilla so often. I hope against hope that he doesn't self-destruct into a has-been, drinking, brawling, wife beater.

I really think England have a team now with more depth than in the last couple competitions. Midfield has been the weak spot despite the big names. But things are looking up. Joe Cole's recent coming into more consistent form has been a blessing. And Lampard has made a great difference to the team.

I can't wait for this summer.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
I'm sure he's a great striker but he's F$*($#G HOT!

Want him to "Strike" you, huh?  Silly

Anyway, I am shocked and dismayed that no one has mentioned England's true striking god. Alan Shearer.



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
no one has mentioned England's true striking god. Alan Shearer.

Good call. I couldn't pick the best England striker - if I had to, my head would explode (or I'd pick one who only played twice).


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 1):
Owen's extremely good, but I think Lineker was a better finisher.

I'm inclined to agree with you but I reckon Lineker's a bit out of shape these days due to pigging out on all those crisps  Wink



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User currently offlineAirEuropeUK733 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 976 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Quoting TIMC (Reply 2):
bollocks... he scores two goals to rescue England, doesn't mean he's any better than any of the rest of them

What about his hat-trick against Germany when we beat them 5-1 - THAT was a World Cup qualifying........

oh yes and whatt about the 'wonder goal' against Argentina in France 98 - now that was pure class.........

Can't argue with the facts - he is a class striker

AE733



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1877 times:

Quoting AirEuropeUK733 (Reply 22):
Can't argue with the facts - he is a class striker

Although not a patch on Tommy Tynan I think you'll agree AE733  Wink



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User currently offlineAirEuropeUK733 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 976 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 23):
Although not a patch on Tommy Tynan I think you'll agree AE733

Now he WAS a class striker ! Up the Pride of the WestCountry!

AE733



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25 Post contains images Banco : Interesting to compare Owen anmd Lineker's stats. Lineker 48 goals from 80 games Owen 35 from 75 Of course, some of these youngsters just think Lineke
26 Cornish : It does make you feel old to think there are some A.netters BORN after his last appearance for England.....
27 Post contains images AirEuropeUK733 : You'll be calling for the Oil of Olay soon Mr Cornish AE733
28 Post contains images Cornish : Ahem I seem to recall we've established you're the same generation as me - and i haven't got a wife and two kids to further age my youthful good look
29 Banco : Or indeed, youthful good looks. You've got it all in your favour, haven't you?
30 Post contains images AirEuropeUK733 : Ah yes - but on the flip side my kids keep me young..........(or is that insane?) AE733
31 Post contains images Cornish : Ha ! The Cornish 2006 Calendar is flying out of Clintons Cards as we speak I have you know. Wel I don't like to brag but now you come to mention it,
32 Banco : I believe there was a misunderstanding there. The suppliers said "pasty" and Clinton's thought it was "pastie".
33 Andreas : And most of all, Lineker understood the deeper meaning of football, you know, how things work in the great, universal scheme, on a more transcendenta
34 Post contains images AirEuropeUK733 : Short memory eh Andreas AE733
35 Arsenal@LHR : Michael Owen is one of the top 3 best strikers in English football, his international and domestic record speaks for itself. Against Argentina on satu
36 Post contains images Cornish : Hey did somebody say Pasty ??
37 RJ111 : Shearer was better and Rooney will be better. So, no. Good lad though, been unlucky with injuries.
38 Post contains images Andreas : Actually I was going to ask you the same question: And then, after we both qualified who went on the finals? Germany if I remember correctly Besides
39 Post contains links and images Arsenal@LHR : Jesus it's been a long time.......
40 Post contains images Banco : And in response, the Germans have knocked down the Olympiastadion. Such sore losers....
41 Andreas : As a matter of fact it is still there, and in working condition...and it wasn't the Germans at all, it was the Barba...the Bavarians
42 Banco : Is it? I thought it was being knocked down and re-built for the World Cup?
43 Andreas : Erm...that is ANOTHER stadium...you understand? Not one but two stadiums, plural, more than one, >1, one...two... There's the OLD Olympic stadium...a
44 Post contains images N229NW : Wait, you mean that actor in the Walkers commercials used to make money as a footballer on the side?
45 Post contains images Andreas : Exactly...1966, then 2001...then, lemme see...erm...2036 would be the next good thing that happens to English football (first a WC, then a qualifyer,
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