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Bush Ratings Low...What Will He Bend On  
User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3078 posts, RR: 20
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

Ok with GWB approval rateings at an all time low what is going to give.

Now he can say they do not matter and are not goverend by polls. But he is a politician and has spent a large part of his adult life govererned by polls and opinions. Plus i also do not think he wants to go to retirement with the all time worst approval ratings.

If it was me I would bend on the torture and sign the bill The optics would be huge in the eyes of the world and at the same time look like he is sending a clear message that the USA is different than the bad guys.

Besides there is a lot going on that the general public does not know. Aggressive questioning by the CIA or who ever will continue.

GS


Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
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User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

I doubt Bush, or more accurately, the people pulling the puppet strings on Bush - aka, his advisers - will do anything other than try to spin this like they always do (and already have) - We don't pay attention to polls...Stay the course...

I truly think (or at least, I hope) the "man" Bush really does care what people think but the "politician" Bush blithely stumbles through the day listening to whatever his advisers and inner circle want him to hear. Unfortunately, it is nearly impossible to separate the two. I think, as long as the advisers really run things, there will be no change as that would infer "they" were wrong about something.

MxCtrlr  bouncy 



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Quoting MxCtrlr (Reply 1):
I doubt Bush, or more accurately, the people pulling the puppet strings on Bush - aka, his advisers - will do anything other than try to spin this like they always do (and already have) - We don't pay attention to polls...Stay the course...

Bam! You can see this in the fact that he's going back to his old tactic of pretty much questioning the patriotism of those who question his war. The problem is, I don't think anyone is buying it this time around.

While I don't see him bending on anything, I do think it's curious that gas prices are dropping now that his approval ratings are low. Food for thought.

[Edited 2005-11-15 05:08:35]

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1724 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Thread starter):
Ok with GWB approval rateings at an all time low what is going to give.

If anything gives, it will not come from within the White House, but from nervous Congressional Republicans, who could see their nice jobs and perks go up in smoke if this administration keeps spiriling downward.

This is a man who doesn't change his mind often. That can be a strength as a human being in some ways-especially if one has to have a lifetime of recovery from a disease like alcoholism. But it can be a weakness as a politician. His inflexibility was fine when he had 60% approval ratings, and could steamroll the opposition. Now, it's a liability.

What could give is getting rid of Rove and even Cheney, to help ease fears of Republicans in the Congress; he could also give on the point of the torture stance, but, in the scheme of things, that's a minor point.

I think Mr. Bush has always gotten bad advice from the people around him, and they've over-insulated him from what's really going on in the world and in the country. Of course, it ultimately comes back to him, because he hired said people.

I don't know if this guy has it in him to "give". It goes against everything he believes in, and it's damn tough for anyone to swallow that much pride and change something in a radical way.


User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
What could give is getting rid of Rove and even Cheney, to help ease fears of Republicans in the Congress; he could also give on the point of the torture stance, but, in the scheme of things, that's a minor point.

I would actually applaud him and forgive him for a lot of things if he has the testicular fortitude to do that.

He doesn't tho. He's nothing w/out those two, and he knows it.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39710 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

Perhaps they can cart out a few more terrorist suspects already in captivity and pretend to have just caught them. Stage a foiled terrorist attack.
I am sure they have something planned out to scare the voters with next year.



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User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Lets keep some context:

PRESIDENTS' LOW MARKS

-Truman: 22% mid-February, 1952
-Johnson: 35% early August, 1968
-Nixon: 24% mid-July, 1974, and early August, 1974
-Ford: 37% early January, 1975, and late March, 1975
-Carter: 28% late June, 1979
-Reagan: 35% late January, 1983
-George H.W. Bush: 29% late July, 1992
-Clinton: 37% early June, 1993

Sudenly, it doesn't seem to be the tragedy some news outlets are talking about.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Perhaps if Bush would veto a few bills, especially on social spending (like he should have on the transportation bill) it might show some backbone. I would like to have him accept a military spending bill with the anti-torture amendment. I agree it would make him look a lot better in the world, and probably get better info from the terrorists they arrest.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
Sudenly, it doesn't seem to be the tragedy some news outlets are talking about.

It is when you figure the guy was above 80% at one time, SFOMEX.

You can sugar-coat it all you want, but this president, since his 2nd inagural, has been in a free-fall. And if it continues, it's going to hurt his party in the '06 midterms.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
Perhaps they can cart out a few more terrorist suspects already in captivity and pretend to have just caught them. Stage a foiled terrorist attack.
I am sure they have something planned out to scare the voters with next year.

Pure nonsense 'Fly . . . .

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
-Truman: 22% mid-February, 1952
-Johnson: 35% early August, 1968
-Nixon: 24% mid-July, 1974, and early August, 1974
-Ford: 37% early January, 1975, and late March, 1975
-Carter: 28% late June, 1979
-Reagan: 35% late January, 1983
-George H.W. Bush: 29% late July, 1992
-Clinton: 37% early June, 1993

Doesn't matter to them . . . . the facts don't matter . . . .


User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
Perhaps they can cart out a few more terrorist suspects already in captivity and pretend to have just caught them.

Yeah.. how many times have the #4, #3 and the #2 Al Qaeda suspects been caught?



Someday the sun will shine down on me in some faraway place - Mahalia Jackson
User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1664 times:

Having been in the military some of my most effective commanders were SOB's that would have had a worst poling #s than GWB. So if the democrats hate him and the east, west cost media hate him he must be doing a good job as leader, Commander in Chief making tough decisions and not popular ones. It is always easier to rule by consensus than to lead. I wonder how Lincoln would have led if he ran the Civil War by polling numbers, the east coast papers refered to him as a unsofiscated barbarian westerner without a proper ivy league education. If he were driven by poles the freeing of the slaves would have not happened, the majority of northeners didn't care about slavery and felt the same way about blacks as southerners.


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User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1650 times:

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 11):
It is always easier to rule by consensus than to lead.

What flavor Kool Aid?



Someday the sun will shine down on me in some faraway place - Mahalia Jackson
User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1647 times:

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 12):
What flavor Kool Aid?

By reading your profile and reading your short post being a New England Yankee I find your response underwhelming. If you were alive back in 1861 you too would have felt that Lincoln was a buffoon, another sophisticated Northeasterner offended that somebody would support the POTUS and not be holding to a large majority of poles that show negative numbers.



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User currently offlineLentigomaligna From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1641 times:

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 11):
poles



Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 13):
poles

Pole, 1. n. Person from Poland, 2. n. Either extremity of an axis through a sphere.
Poll, n. A survey of the public or of a sample of public opinion to acquire information.

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 11):
. If he were driven by poles the freeing of the slaves would have not happened, the majority of northeners didn't care about slavery and felt the same way about blacks as southerners.

Ummm...he only "freed" the slaves that the U.S. didn't have control over anyway, and then how did the 13th amendment come about?

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 13):
f you were alive back in 1861 you too would have felt that Lincoln was a buffoon

How was he elected then? I don't think Lincoln was as good as a president as history recorded: he was a politician, not the heroified image we have of him. Then again, what does any of this have to do with the subject at hand?

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 11):
Having been in the military some of my most effective commanders were SOB's that would have had a worst poling #s than GWB.

Last I checked, we weren't living in a military dictatorship.

[Edited 2005-11-15 08:30:15]

User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1627 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
-Truman: 22% mid-February, 1952
-Johnson: 35% early August, 1968
-Nixon: 24% mid-July, 1974, and early August, 1974
-Ford: 37% early January, 1975, and late March, 1975
-Carter: 28% late June, 1979
-Reagan: 35% late January, 1983
-George H.W. Bush: 29% late July, 1992
-Clinton: 37% early June, 1993

Nice attempt at diversion. Instead of making the (extremely lame) argument that 8 (out of 43) other presidents had approval ratings equal to or lower than Mr. Bush's, why not look at the reasons why President Bush's ratings are in the crapper? Hmmm, here's one....the war he lied us into that has cost us 2100 American lives, not to mention the countless others who have donated an arm or two, or a couple of legs or their sight to this noble cause. Oh, and how about record high gas prices which have resulted in record high profits for the oil industry? Oh, and there's this bin Laden character, too. You remember him....the guy who murdered close to 3000 Americans over 4 years ago. How is it he is still a free man? Oh wait...he's a Saudi....yeah, we can't mess with our "Allies" now, can we George?


User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1587 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
-Truman: 22% mid-February, 1952
-Johnson: 35% early August, 1968
-Nixon: 24% mid-July, 1974, and early August, 1974
-Ford: 37% early January, 1975, and late March, 1975
-Carter: 28% late June, 1979
-Reagan: 35% late January, 1983
-George H.W. Bush: 29% late July, 1992
-Clinton: 37% early June, 1993

Sudenly, it doesn't seem to be the tragedy some news outlets are talking about.

Percentage of them who are president at this very moment 0%. But hey, since you are with the rest of your party, you know, in denial, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 11):
Commander in Chief making tough decisions and not popular ones.

Tough decisions, yes. Correct decisions, no.

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 11):
If he were driven by poles the freeing of the slaves would have not happened, the majority of northeners didn't care about slavery and felt the same way about blacks as southerners.

You're not seriously comparing W to Lincolin are you?

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 13):
By reading your profile and reading your short post being a New England Yankee I find your response underwhelming.

Judging buy your comments, I find the fact that you can't use the word "polls" properly underwhelming. Stereotypes suck huh?


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7761 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1582 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
Truman: 22% mid-February, 1952
-Johnson: 35% early August, 1968
-Nixon: 24% mid-July, 1974, and early August, 1974
-Ford: 37% early January, 1975, and late March, 1975
-Carter: 28% late June, 1979
-Reagan: 35% late January, 1983
-George H.W. Bush: 29% late July, 1992
-Clinton: 37% early June, 1993

Hmmm... let's deconstruct this one.

Truman 1952... Korean War turning into a stalemate with high losses on both sides.
Nixon 1974... fallout from Watergate investigation reaches full force. Even his own party turns against him.
Ford 1975... he was never terribly popular to begin with. Throw in the oil shocks and high inflation and nobody would like you.
Carter 1979... Iran hostage scandal, recession, and continued inflationary problems.
Reagan 1983... lessee... I believe another recession around that time as well. His intial glow in 1981 had most certainly worn off, but well before his later years in office where he established himself more strongly.
HW Bush 1992... another recession. Public reaction to a seemingly aloof President.
Clinton 1993... the initial glow around Clinton dies off pretty quickly. Throw in the botched attempt to reform health care and some early scandals, you'd be in the crapper too. The following year the Republicans retake the House. Though oddly years later during the impeachment, Clinton's approval ratings are at all time highs.



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1571 times:

I think W's in trouble. Not so much for what has gone wrong in the past but because he seems to have no agenda. As a registered Republican what can I honestly say the GOP's agenda is right here right now. Other than lowering taxes, nothing else has any credibility.

I can't say the GOP leadership is serious about controlling the federal budget deficit - just look at the transportation appropriations bill and the new prescription drug benefit.

I can't say the GOP leadership is serious about reducing the size of government look at the TSA and DHS.

I can't say we're for a stronger military, just look at today's actions by the various GOP senators.

I can't say we're for personal responsibility - just look at Scotter Libby and how the GOP seems to be bending over backwards to give states more FEMA money.

So what exactly can a loyal GOP support say that the party stands for on November 15, 2005? The only saving grace is that the DNC's only policy stance is that it isn't the RNC.

This country is operating like a rudderless ship wandering the ocean in the hopes of hitting land. The GOP deserves most of the responsibility because we control the White House and Congress, but the democrats are equally as unimpressive in establishing an agenda to improve our country.

At the end of the day, American voters want to be led. It's oftentimes less important where they're head than that they're moving somewhere.


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1550 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
-Truman: 22% mid-February, 1952
-Johnson: 35% early August, 1968
-Nixon: 24% mid-July, 1974, and early August, 1974
-Ford: 37% early January, 1975, and late March, 1975
-Carter: 28% late June, 1979
-Reagan: 35% late January, 1983
-George H.W. Bush: 29% late July, 1992
-Clinton: 37% early June, 1993

As noted, you're mostly comparing apples to oranges, but just fur fun, and to take DesertJets concept a little further, let’s see where each of these Presidents ended up:
Truman - Chooses not to run again, opposite party takes the White House
Johnson - Chooses not to run again, opposite party takes the White House
Nixon - Resigns in disgrace, opposite party takes the White House in next election
Ford - Loses bid for 2nd term, opposite party takes the White House
Carter - Loses bid for 2nd term, opposite party takes the White House
Reagan - Recovers, serves two full terms
Bush #1 - Loses bid for 2nd term, opposite party takes the White House
Clinton - Recovers, serves two full terms (but opposing party takes the White House after 2nd term is up)

So, of your eight examples, in only one instance did the President recover, and the party maintain control of the White House after he left office. So these odds say that our next President will be a Democrat.

The fact of the matter is that, as a 2nd term President, poll numbers mean very little to Bush directly. But they mean a great deal to the Republicans, and the party is beginning to cotton to the very unpleasant realization that if things don't change, Bush's ratings have a very real chance of shifting the balance of power in Washington come next November.



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User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

Bush will go more extreme right than before, as scary as that might seem

User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1536 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Thread starter):
Ok with GWB approval rateings at an all time low what is going to give.

So what are we going to do? Un-elect him?

Quoting Greasespot (Thread starter):
But he is a politician and has spent a large part of his adult life govererned by polls and opinions.

And now he is in the top elected position in the country, maybe the world, and cannot run for a third term no matter what he does. No matter what he does he will make a minor fortune on the lecture circuit and live out a very comfortable rest of his life, probably on his ranch in Crawford, Tx.

I gotta say the guy probably doesn't give a flying fuck what his approval ratings are. I know if I was in his position, I wouldn't.


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1531 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 21):
So what are we going to do? Un-elect him?

Impeachment hopefully

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 21):
he will make a minor fortune on the lecture circuit

I think you mean sitting on the board of all the companies hes helped give corporate welfare to


User currently offlineDan-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Thread starter):
Ok with GWB approval rateings at an all time low what is going to give.

Johnnie Walker, preferably Red.


User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3078 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1514 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 21):
I gotta say the guy probably doesn't give a flying fuck what his approval ratings are. I know if I was in his position, I wouldn't

But you have not spent the big part of your life caring and living by what what polls and opinions say. Remember first and formost he may be president but he is a politician above all.

What is to be done? I have no idea. Just wondering if he is going to do anthing to try and re-bound...and if hee does what it may be. Nothing more sinister than that.

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
25 Post contains images Falcon84 : Boy, that's a newsflash. Took a lot of penetrating analysis to figure that one out. Took you five years to figure that out, did it? Actually he's alw
26 Greasespot : Scooter and Cheny will be fine...Two words... Presidential Pardon... GS
27 JBirdAV8r : Explain how Bush controls gas prices. Ready? Go.
28 Pope : And as predicted, the Falcon84 shows why the RNC keeps winning even though their leader has no agenda. At some point the democrats are going to have
29 Falcon84 : I didn't mention the Dems, did I, Sherlock. I merely pointed out what Bush's agenda has been the last 5 years. That's been it. And I agree with you t
30 Pope : Dude for someone who goes around crying about a fictious obsession, you spend a hell of a lot of time seeking out my posts and responding to them. Bu
31 B744F : You can impeach for whatever you want to
32 Captoveur : If your side could stop losing elections they would have a better chance of giving it a shot. Maybe you learned something about the impeachment proce
33 B744F : Hmmm, kind of like the impeachment over a blowjob?
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