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Double Standards In The Liberal Media  
User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

...and the newspaper industry wonders why circulation is falling?

Saw this in James Taranto's WSJ blog.

"Last week Texas became the latest state to pass a prophylactic measure against same-sex marriage. The ultraliberal Houston Chronicle is unhappy, which is hardly surprising, but we got a chuckle out of the editorial's condescending comments about black voters:

Inner city black voters in Harris County, many of whom have long experience with the denial of civil rights, favored the marriage amendment by an even higher majority than the general Harris County voting population. Black discomfort with homosexual marriage is rooted less in conscious discrimination than in religious belief, but support for the amendment brought blacks into incongruous accord with members of the Ku Klux Klan, whose members rallied in Austin in support of Proposition 2.

So let's see if we have this straight. If you're a person of pallor and you oppose same-sex marriage, you're guilty of "conscious discrimination," whereas if you're black, you're following "religious belief" and presumably discriminating unconsciously. Oh, and does this mean people who favor same-sex marriage are religious unbelievers? Seems to us the Houston Chronicle has just managed to insult pretty much everybody."

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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

You righties and your blaming the "liberal media" for everything under the sun.

Boring. Lame. Tired.


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
ultraliberal

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1802 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
You righties and your blaming the "liberal media" for everything under the sun.

Boring. Lame. Tired.

Perhaps, but you couldn't resist reading the post, could you?   

Given the continuing struggle we are all engaged in to make sure we eliminate racism in our daily lives, one would think that when the supposedly responsible mainstream media so obviously screws up, that people on the left and the right might be able to agree. Apparently not, however.

Question - if the Washington Times or Wall Street Journal made the same error, would drawing your attention to it be boring, lame and tired, or do you just get incensed when the "other" side screws up?

Not surprising folks aren't interested in addressing how the media can be both condescending and arrogant, though. After all, it might hit too close to home for some....

[Edited 2005-11-16 14:56:51]

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 3):
Perhaps, but you couldn't resist reading the post, could you?

I barely looked at it, so don't give yourself much credit. Same old bitchfest from the right whenever someone doesn't agree with their agenda.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
I barely looked at it, so don't give yourself much credit. Same old bitchfest from the right whenever someone doesn't agree with their agenda.

Oh - so mistakes by the media only matter when the right wing media make them?

Quoting Andreas (Reply 2):
Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
ultraliberal


Hey, I'm just the messenger. I do agree that it's a stretch to suggest that the Houston Chronicle is "ultraliberal"

[Edited 2005-11-16 14:59:25]

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
You righties and your blaming the "liberal media" for everything under the sun

Nope, unlike you lefties we don't blame anyone for anything except being gullible which isn't a crime AFAIK.
We just point out facts which lefties often find uncomfortable because they run counter to everything they believe in.



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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5042 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

There's no such thing as 'the liberal media'.

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 6):
Nope, unlike you lefties we don't blame anyone for anything except being gullible which isn't a crime AFAIK.
We just point out facts which lefties often find uncomfortable because they run counter to everything they believe in.

Funny that something like that comes from you of all people, someone who doesn't think twice about making things up left and right if it suits your argument.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13699 posts, RR: 61
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1731 times:
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Quoting Scorpio (Reply 7):
There's no such thing as 'the liberal media'.

See also:

"PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!"



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40011 posts, RR: 74
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1722 times:

The media is not liberal.


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1719 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 5):
Oh - so mistakes by the media only matter when the right wing media make them?

Who said that? I'm just tired with people like you always bitching about the "liberal media." It's nasueating.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 5):
Hey, I'm just the messenger.

No you're not. You're a right-wing pawn. You play the game for these clowns who have taught you to hate "liberals" or the "liberal media". Your'e a pawn, not a messenger.

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 6):
We just point out facts which lefties often find uncomfortable because they run counter to everything they believe in.

ROTFL. Facts? You mean, like the reason for the war in Iraq. Those kind of "facts". Uh, OK.

We've learned one thing, especially since the early 90's: many conservatives are the biggest bunch of whining crybabies in recent history. When things don't go their way, or when blame is placed on them, they blame the "liberals", or the "liberal media". Nothing is ever their fault.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40011 posts, RR: 74
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1712 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
Inner city black voters in Harris County, many of whom have long experience with the denial of civil rights



Quoting Halls120 (Reply 3):
Given the continuing struggle we are all engaged in to make sure we eliminate racism in our daily lives

Since when are conservatives so concerned about civil rights and eliminating racism?
I find it ironic that conservatives only solicit support from Black voters only to restrict the rights of gays. It's not like Blacks go around beating up and killing gays. I am sure many don't like the idea of gay marriage but it's not like they were going around gathering signatures to put it on the ballot either.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4283 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1709 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
The ultraliberal Houston Chronicle is unhappy

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 

Saying that The Chron is liberal, much less ultraliberal, is about the same as saying that Superfly supports Bush and all his policies or that I think Reagan was the best President of all time! The Chron is conservative even by Texas newspaper standards!

The Chron editorial staff declared itself against the amendment because, "Its presence on the ballot was as unnecessary as it was mean-spirited. Texas law already defines marriage as between a man and a woman, and Texas does not recognize same-sex unions recognized in other states." Moreover, they note that "Supporters argue that the amendment is needed to keep Texas from having to recognize same-sex marriages performed in another state. However, if the U.S. Constitution required Texas to do so before the election, it requires Texas to do so today."

The main point they have is summed up here

Quote:
Not only was there no legal or practical need to elevate current state prohibitions to constitutional writ, but doing so came across as a direct attack on gays and on their struggle for a measure of legal equality. Besides being an embarrassment, the amendment sends the wrong signal to businesses that thrive on intellectual capital and creativity.

Calling the Houston Chronicle liberal is the funniest thing I have heard in a long time. Of course, if anyone actually believes the Chron is liberal, then it is a sad, sad day.

Texan



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User currently offlineAbefroman329 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

Are you as incensed about the conservative slant of the WSJ, which probably has a much wider circulation than the "ultraliberal" Houston Chronicle?

Just wondering.


User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1686 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 6):
Nope, unlike you lefties we don't blame anyone for anything except being gullible which isn't a crime AFAIK.
We just point out facts which lefties often find uncomfortable because they run counter to everything they believe in.



Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
Double Standards In The Liberal Media



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 8):
"PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!"

You're not pointing out facts, you are believing the lie.

The media is as liberal as the conservative big businesses that own them.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1682 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 5):
Oh - so mistakes by the media only matter when the right wing media make them?

Who said that? I'm just tired with people like you always bitching about the "liberal media." It's nasueating.

So, can I take it for granted that the next poster who complains about the "right wing media" will get the same "bored, lame" response from you?

Please go back to my original post. Please show me where I said anything about the "liberal" media. I do believe the only editorial comment I made was in relation to the decline in media circulation in general. The "liberal" label was in the story.

I do admit to objecting to irresponsibility on the part of the media - right or left - and especially when they make an error like the one I highlighted.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
No you're not. You're a right-wing pawn. You play the game for these clowns who have taught you to hate "liberals" or the "liberal media". Your'e a pawn, not a messenger.

I'm curious. When all else fails, do you begin name calling because you've lost interest in the subject matter, or because you think it raises the intellectual discourse of the discussion?

Again - where did I say in my original post ANYTHING about this being the fault of the "liberal media?"

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Since when are conservatives so concerned about civil rights and eliminating racism?

Well, to begin with, I'm not a "conservative." I'm a registered independent who takes "liberal" positions on some issues, "moderate" positions on some issues, and "conservative" positions on others. Perhaps if you weren't so quick to categorize people you'd understand that.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
I find it ironic that conservatives only solicit support from Black voters only to restrict the rights of gays.

Where did it say in the article that conservatives were soliciting anyone to support their views on this issue?

Quoting Texan (Reply 12):
Saying that The Chron is liberal, much less ultraliberal, is about the same as saying that Superfly supports Bush and all his policies or that I think Reagan was the best President of all time! The Chron is conservative even by Texas newspaper standards!

Perhaps you overlooked the fact that it was the WSJ that characterizes the Chronicle as ultraliberal - not me.

Quoting Texan (Reply 12):
The Chron editorial staff declared itself against the amendment because, "Its presence on the ballot was as unnecessary as it was mean-spirited.

I agree. But I notice that their condescending treatment of blacks apparently doesn't matter to you.

Quoting Abefroman329 (Reply 13):
Are you as incensed about the conservative slant of the WSJ, which probably has a much wider circulation than the "ultraliberal" Houston Chronicle?

Ah, when you can't address the wrong in one place, try to distract everyone by looking for wrongdoing somewhere else.

For the record, if the WSJ printed an editorial that was just as condescending as the Chronicle was, I'd take them to task.


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1681 times:

Yes of course, the "liberal" media

Talk about speaking when you don't know what you're talking about...

So anyone that says anything about some topic you disagree with is an ultaliberal

That's awesome. Continue to show your intelligence.


User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11760 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1678 times:

If the media is so liberal, why then do we not hear daily attacks against the Republicans? Why do we not hear news stories against GWB, Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rove, Libby, et al.? If the media is so liberal, why do we hear how rosy life is even though there is a war going on? Oh, that's right... the war is over per GWB. (What is his service record again?) Liberal Media my a$$!! I seem to recall Clinton was attacked continually by the "liberal media."

The conclusion I am led to believe by the posts here is that inner-city Houston favored the amendment more than voters in the suburbs. So what? How does the newspaper know it was Blacks that voted that way? For example: If you have 7 people voting, 3 Black, 3 White and 1 Asian, and 2 Black, 1 White and the Asian vote in favor, does that mean minorities or Blacks overwhelmingly support the vote? It's all spin. Having lived under the Bush regeme, we should be used to spin.....

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User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
Perhaps you overlooked the fact that it was the WSJ that characterizes the Chronicle as ultraliberal - not me.

Compared to the WSJ, the Cronicle is probably ultraliberal. When your slant is so extremely right, anything to the left of that, including the middle, is ultraliberal


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 14):
You're not pointing out facts, you are believing the lie.

The media is as liberal as the conservative big businesses that own them.

I see now that I made a mistake in titling the tread in the manner I did. So from this point on, can we discuss the thread renamed as "Double Standards in the Media."

Based on that, anyone care to address the condescending attitude of the Chronicle's editorial writers? Or was there nothing wrong with what they said?


User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4283 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
Perhaps you overlooked the fact that it was the WSJ that characterizes the Chronicle as ultraliberal - not me.

Nope, and sorry if it came off as such. Just making a comparison to something that people here on non-av can more easily relate. And no, their unequal treatment towards different people does perturb me; black people are just as capable as consciously discriminating against a group of people as any other group of people are. It is unfortunately just what we've come to expect from the right-wing stalwart "news"paper in South Texas  Wink

Texan

[Edited 2005-11-16 21:18:39]


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User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4533 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1649 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 6):
We just point out facts which lefties often find uncomfortable because they run counter to everything they believe in.

I'd like to know which 'facts' led to the Dutch commitment in Iraq.

Regards, Robert  bouncy 



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User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 6):
except being gullible

Hmmm, gullible... like blindly supporting everything the Bush administration says?

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 6):
We just point out facts

What "facts" would those be, exactly? Knee Jerk Reactions are not facts


User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
ROTFL. Facts? You mean, like the reason for the war in Iraq.

Holy shit Falcon, read the thread starter. Not everything is about Iraq... Now go freshen up.



User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

The cry of liberalism in the media stems from the fact that many reporters are of a liberal bent. It also sells papers and generates controversy, which is why the conservative publishers and board members generally allow it. Believe me, the heads of these corporations (newspapers are corporations) will slam the door on liberal reporting if it contradicts their interests.


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
25 Post contains images Superfly : Well said! What you analyzed requires some thinking and intelligence hence that is why conservatives never understand those facts. The conservatives
26 Halls120 : That may be a valid conclusion, but not the point I was seeking comment on. It was the Chronicle editor's conclusion that "Black discomfort with homo
27 DL021 : Dude, no it's not. It seems to generate lots of conversation. Same could be said for the left.... Obviously. When the left makes a mistake it's a mis
28 Abefroman329 : OK Halls120, since you don't want to discuss political slant in journalism (despite calling the thread Double Standards In The Liberal Media) It's a p
29 Halls120 : Please see post 19, where I admitted that my choice of the title for this thread was a mistake. By all means, keep avoiding the issue. The fact is, t
30 Texan : I admit it! The Chron, an arch-conservative newspaper, messed up. They definitely could have phrased it better. They failed. They have a history of f
31 Halls120 : So far, you stand virtually alone in admitting the obvious. So a condescending statement is now just a "phrasing error"? Just a little test on my par
32 SATX : I've been hearing about this liberal media for years, but I just don't see it, and this is coming from someone who wishes the media actually was a bit
33 Falcon84 : ROTFL. No one complains much about the "right-wing" media because it isn't serious journalism to begin with-just screaming about the left and rah-rah
34 A332 : Pffft... some real lame comments on here... Unfortunately, all too often it seems that if it doesn't come straight from the mouth of Ann Coulter or Bi
35 MaverickM11 : I'm not going to touch the liberal-media argument with a ten foot pole but this: ...is interesting, you have to admit. Frankly if you oppose gay marri
36 Halls120 : The last sentence is exactly the point I wanted to make.
37 Superfly : Fact. Read up on what liberalism really means and take a look at how the media operates. That should answer your question. My mistake. You are correc
38 Halls120 : Why is O'Reilly a "sick @asshole?" Because his opinion is different from yours? There are a number of people in the public eye - politicians and medi
39 Boeing757/767 : Liberal media? The WSJ editorial board, at least, is conservative.
40 Superfly : Halls120: I can respect those who have a different opinion and different outlook but O'Reilly is a jerk. Sorry man but I call it as I see it.
41 Post contains images DL021 : FLy...there's a difference between a sick asshole and a jerk. Do you not see the difference in the invective? That's funny....wrong but pretty funny..
42 Post contains images Superfly : DIO21: Someone steel your password or have you given up? I know you are a capable of engaging in an intelligent discussion with others and expressing
43 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Yeah, because you're the authority on the media . Conservatives will say the media is liberal, and liberals will say it's conservative. Big f&#(ing s
44 Superfly : Tell that to Halls120. He's the one who started this.
45 Post contains images MaverickM11 : As I said: Now if you want to talk about liberal higher education, then we can talk real numbers .
46 Post contains images Superfly : MaverickM11: Hey you can "talk" all you want. You are good at that.
47 Psa53 : Reasons I don't trust the double standard media: 1)Everything wrong with the nation.Blame Bush. Got a local problem.Blame Bush.Car Trouble. Blame Bush
48 Halls120 : I'm not a regular O'Reilly watcher - I've watched him on occasion when channel surfing - but on those occasions when I have watched, I don't see any
49 DL021 : You are one ugly woman.....and I'd like to know which routes the Tu's are flying. Seriously, are you trying to tell me the media is not liberal, or s
50 Post contains images Superfly : Thanks! I do take that as a complement Oh give me a break! George W. Bush, Newt Gingrich, Tom Delay also grew up in that period. Many of the hippies
51 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Yeah. Uh huh. Ok!   You're not biased at all riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.[Edited 2005-11-18 17:44:16]
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