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Volkswagen's Decline In America  
User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5630 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2444 times:

It wasn't much more than 30 years ago that "Volkswagen" and "import" were almost synonyms in the United States. VW had a huge domination of the import market and was preparing to build vehicles in a new Pennsylvania factory.
Things certainly have changed for VW, and not for the better. The huge influx of Japanese and Korean imports of course would have ended its market domination no matter what, but it's clear that many of VW's current American woes are self-inflicted.
VW's U.S. sales for October 2005 were down 15% from the year-earlier period, when they should have risen considerably thanks to the introduction of the new Jetta and Passat models. Both of these models are selling well below expectations. VW also just announced that it is ceasing imports of the Phaeton luxury car. The Phaeton's sales figures, with less than 1,000 sold in 2005, answered the question of whether buyers would be willing to pay $65,000+ for a Volkswagen. The new Golf still hasn't come to the U.S. market, and its other new models - a minivan and a smaller SUV to be known as the Marrakesh - are still at least a year off.
I see several reasons for VW's stumbles:
1) The Jetta and especially the Passat were allowed to get positively geriatric, in model-cycle terms, before being updated. Without doubt, many would-be buyers in the past few years skipped over the aging models in favor of competitors.
2) Almost all of the new Jettas and Passats that finally arrived on dealer lots were loaded with expensive premium packages. Each model comes in a more affordable "Value Edition," but they're few and far between. Chrysler got away with a similar pricing strategy on the new 300, even now it's hard to find V-6 base models, but the 300 was a much bigger hit with much higher demand.
3) The New Beetle might be selling okay, I don't know its actual sales figures, but it's pretty much a niche model. It's also getting old.
4) As noted above, we still don't have the new Golf. The present version is seven or eight years old.
5) The Touareg SUV is overpriced. For only about $5,000 more you can get its platform-mate the Porsche Cayenne, which is, after all, a Porsche. In any event, VW didn't introduce the Touareg until after the SUV boom had peaked.
6) The Phaeton ... well, the less said about the Phaeton, the better.
7) VW built much of its reputation on German engineering. Today only the Passat (and the Phaeton) is made in Germany.
It's sad to see how Volkswagen has struggled. For the record, a couple of months ago I bought a 2001 Jetta for my stepdaughter, and it's a fine vehicle. Hopefully VW will regain its footing, though of course its days of dominating the import market are long in the past.


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User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3516 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2425 times:

As long as Audi (owned by VW) sells well, I do not think the problem is too serious, but I agree that the situation is alarming.

I think, however, that VW will succeed again. Unfortunately Diesel engines are not popular in the US, otherwise you would see much more VWs.

I think the mistakes were made in the 70s, VW didn't manage to fill the gap of the Beetle in the US market. But I do not think the problem is too serious.


User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2395 times:

Toss in dubious quality on a few cars.

My old Jetta had a nasty habit of becoming full of water after a strong rainstorm. Seems that the drainage in the doors was "badly designed". I sold it, and swore never to own another VW. Not long after that, I met a woman that was connected to VW, and told her of my displeasure. She told me that VW had been aware of this issue, and took forever to fix it.


My old man had one of the first New Beetles in TPA, and pretty much liked it, except for a habit of draining batteries. And the minute the warranty expired, everything started to go wrong.

The only VW he ever had that was incredibly trouble-free was a 1987 Fox. The cheapest car sold in the USA, that year.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8685 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2370 times:

I always wonder why some people's VWs have so much trouble. It do of course not doubt their honesty, but my parents hardly ever had anything but a VW. Beetle, 411, 412, Passat, Polo... the latter two both having been represented by three generations.

The last VW that gave us unjustified trouble was the first Passat we had, built in 1983-ish. It had an automatic transmission that had to be replaced two or three times. The other ones however - nothing serious, just a malfunctioning coolant pump on the second Passat that was quickly replaced, some leak whose repair (by a garage) wouldn't have been economical and congested drainage of the sunroof on the second Passat - due to parking under chestnut trees some four days a week.

However VW's internal politics are a different issue, and don't get me started on the Phaeton... A "Volkswagen", "popular car", just for the rich? Yeah right... it's not like Audi, Bentley and Lamborghini combined are enough of a luxury division.  sarcastic  The new Passat's looks also don't do too much for me.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13035 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2367 times:

The Golf and 'new Beetle' in the USA are largely assembled in Mexico with some components made there or from Europe and Brazil or as they put it in ads "German Engineered". The Japanese brands, and even Korean brands have better quality and reliability which is the far more important with most buyers than European style and engineering. Yes, VW back in the late 50's to 1967 with the Beetle was the gold standard of quality low priced automobiles. The Japanese have long surpassed a long ago. There pricing, dealer issues, some dumb models (like the Phaeton) and so on have badly hurt them too.

User currently offlineKevinl1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2366 times:

I think some of it is due to dissatisfaction with after warranty service and the VW dealer body. Here in So.Cal, I would say 1 of 4 VW Dealers are "decent". Most give the impression that it's your privilege to allow them to fleece you.
After warranty service outside the Dealer can be difficult. VW is very protective with technical information. Technician training outside their dealer body is non existent. Parts procurement is often difficult as there is not a lot of availability from after market sources. Independent repair shops are disadvantaged and often learn by doing. As far as doing it yourself, anybody who has replaced a headlamp bulb in a new beetle knows the grief.
I believe VW owner repurchace intent has declined and has hurt sales.



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User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1772 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

Simple answer, VWs in US are piece of crap. How long VW will keep Golf this old? Does it really matter if they renew it? Civic is a much better car compared to VWs.

A friend of mine has a 99 Jetta.. she couldn't be unhappier..

I think Phaeton, is made in Bratislava.



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User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

VW's only appeal was to the teen female crowd, and LHMARK, thus they could care less about quality and only be concerned about their cars 'cute' looks.


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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8685 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 6):
I think Phaeton, is made in Bratislava.

It's made, no "manufactured", in Dresden.



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

Price, in my estimation.

As soon as VW had a sound resurgence (like Nissan under Carlos Ghosn), they jacked up price. Problem was, the quality and perceived VALUE wasn't there to sustain that premium.

And a good number of Japanese imports and American badges caught up, priced more competitively, and eVW was stuck in the mud.

I can count the number of Touaregs I've seen on one hand probably.

They don't have a dealership network worth a damn. In the US, that's gold.


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3253 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

The problem isn't as serious as it was in the early 90s, when VW not only closed the plant in PA, but also talked of pulling VW, Audi and Porsche from the US market. I know several people with Mexican-built New Beetles and Jettas and they loved them when they drove them off the lot, but hated living with the poor quality and frequently have them in the shop. I found that owners of German-built Passats were relatively happy with them, but not nearly to the degree of Honda Accord and Toyota Camry owners.

The Phaeton, although a beautiful car, was a lost cause and shouldn't have been built, or at least made the short-wheelbase version available in the US at a lower price. The Touraeg has missed the mark...too heavy, expensive and underpowered (V6). The newest Passats and Jettas seemed to have moved upmarket. Perhaps, they should get back to basics and introduce the Polo or even Lupo in the US.

It doesn't look like VW is supplying the US with Fahrvegnugen anymore.



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 961 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 1):
As long as Audi (owned by VW) sells well, I do not think the problem is too serious, but I agree that the situation is alarming.

I wouldn't go there either. The North American version of the new Audi A6 and A4 appear to be moving at slug pace...

Quoting PROSA (Thread starter):
VW's U.S. sales for October 2005 were down 15% from the year-earlier period, when they should have risen considerably thanks to the introduction of the new Jetta and Passat models.

It's tragic considering how high VW was riding from 1995-2001. They had the most desirable demographics in the world: young, wealthy, well-educated, and wealthy buyers.

As you list, they fell apart. Models got old, products were too expensive, and reliability was aced by other imports.

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 6):
Simple answer, VWs in US are piece of crap. How long VW will keep Golf this old? Does it really matter if they renew it? Civic is a much better car compared to VWs.

I believe the Civic has gone through two generations since the last Golf-GTI-Jetta update? Not smart VW...

Quoting PROSA (Thread starter):
2) Almost all of the new Jettas and Passats that finally arrived on dealer lots were loaded with expensive premium packages

Ugh... tell me about it.

I was set on buying a Jetta last year, but the payments were too much to swollow. I settled on the 2003 Accord LX. The car has a larger cabin, lower opperating cost, and much better reliability than either Jetta model save the 2-liter base model. I havn't looked back from that decision.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32604 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2316 times:

Quoting PROSA (Thread starter):
5) The Touareg SUV is overpriced. For only about $5,000 more you can get its platform-mate the Porsche Cayenne, which is, after all, a Porsche. In any event, VW didn't introduce the Touareg until after the SUV boom had peaked.

The Touareg has been a strong performer, so I have no idea what you are talking about. It has met sales targets, last year selling nearly 30,000 units. This is a premium truck. Volkswagen wasn't going for the mass market with the Touareg, and, unlike the Phaeton, people accepeted the premium price despite the Volkswagen badge.

$43,000 buys you a Cayenne V6 with nothing, not even full leather seating surfaces. Porschse sells cars ala carte, which means customers are realistically looking at adding $10,000-$15,000 in options. Sunroof, CD player, naivgation system, leather seats - all optional. For the same price of a lightly equipped Cayenne V6 you can get a loaded Touareg V8.

Volkswagen in the US is definitley not in decline, they are simply at the end of a cycle. Their decline was in the early 1990s, when in 1993 their total US sales were 49,000 cars. That is less than half the amount of Jetta's they sell in the US today. Their problem right now is that they are ending their old cycle, with models like the Jetta, Passat, and Golf outgoing, and bringing in the replacement products. 2006 should be a strong year for VW in the US - the new Golf, GTI, and Passat and Jetta wagons will round out a total redesign of their core line-up. Their new products are getting excellent reviews, and early sales of the new body Jetta and Passat are very strong. Jetta sales are up 6% this year, and rising. The new Eos is sure to a hit as long as they keep the price, as promised, below $30,000, and they will be entering the US minivan market in 2007 with a Chrysler-built minivan (which will be more than just a rebadge).

The problem with Volkswagen is that they update their entire core product lineup at the same time, which causes these cycles. Instead of introducing a new major core product ever 2-3 years, as most automakers do, Volkswagen does at once. For example, when the Honda Civic is near the end of its current life cycle and sales dwindle, there is a new Honda Accord, and visa versa.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Quoting Tristarenvy (Reply 2):
The only VW he ever had that was incredibly trouble-free was a 1987 Fox. The cheapest car sold in the USA, that year.

IIRC, didn't this car make its U.S. debut that year ('87) as well?

Priced at $3990.
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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39693 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

Hey I Like the Yugo! Big grin

Quoting PROSA (Thread starter):
The Phaeton's sales figures, with less than 1,000 sold in 2005, answered the question of whether buyers would be willing to pay $65,000+ for a Volkswagen.

I was thinking the same thing before opening this thread.



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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2271 times:

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 10):
The Phaeton, although a beautiful car, was a lost cause and shouldn't have been built, or at least made the short-wheelbase version available in the US at a lower price.

well duh...

that engine was developed for the new breed Bentley as well. The Phaeton/Bentley program wasn't just for one dubious product. Otherwise it would never have gotten the research budget it needed.


User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

This surprises me since it seems like half the drivers in Atlanta have a Jetta or Passat (including my future husband, so I guess I will be driving one too.)

User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
The Touareg has been a strong performer, so I have no idea what you are talking about. It has met sales targets, last year selling nearly 30,000 units. This is a premium truck. Volkswagen wasn't going for the mass market with the Touareg, and, unlike the Phaeton, people accepeted the premium price despite the Volkswagen badge.

unfortunately the bulk of them have gone to people with no business whatsoever needing a heavy, powerful four wheel drive SUV.

The Touareg is phenomenally good at the low speed grunt stuff. So why drive it round car parks and narrow Chelsea streets? It really pisses me off to see vehicles like that abused when they are just not built for some Prozac-riddled soccermom collecting Tristan and Petronella from their school gates.

Still, VW has its other marques in the company making money. Skoda and SEAT have certainly come on by huge leaps in recent years. Audis are still boring and driven by dicks, but generally well built.


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5630 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

The Touareg has been a strong performer, so I have no idea what you are talking about. It has met sales targets, last year selling nearly 30,000 units.

30,000 units per year isn't enough to make much of a difference in VW's fortunes. And I suspect that figure doesn't compare well to competing vehicles such as the Lexus RX330 or the Acura MDX. I see far more of those on the road than I see Touaregs.

For the same price of a lightly equipped Cayenne V6 you can get a loaded Touareg V8.

Some people will go for the Cayenne with that pricing simply because of the Porsche nameplate.

Their new products are getting excellent reviews, and early sales of the new body Jetta and Passat are very strong. Jetta sales are up 6% this year, and rising.

I will note again that October 2005 sales were down 15% from October 2004. While that's not a huge decline, especially compared to GM's results, by all rights there should have been no decline at all but rather a significant increase. The Passat and Jetta were nearing the end of their (way too long) product cycles in October 2004, without any significant discounting, while they were both new to the market in October 2005

The problem with Volkswagen is that they update their entire core product lineup at the same time, which causes these cycles. Instead of introducing a new major core product ever 2-3 years, as most automakers do, Volkswagen does at once.

Agreed. To what do you attribute that? Poor management or something else?

[Edited 2005-11-17 04:29:47]


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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 13):
Priced at $3990.
Remember the old slogan? The Road Back to Sanity

One of the worst cars every sold here.

Anyone ever see the movie with Danny DeVito; where every car in the town it was set in; was a Yugo!? Funny damn movie...can't remember the title.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 3):
However VW's internal politics are a different issue, and don't get me started on the Phaeton... A "Volkswagen", "popular car", just for the rich? Yeah right... it's not like Audi, Bentley and Lamborghini combined are enough of a luxury division.

The Phaeton is not a bad car....
Now, if VW has instead stuck a Lamborghini badge on it, sold it only with the W-12 engine,...it would have been golden...the beautiful people would have lapped it up.

Somewhere along the lines VW got this wild-hair up their ass to be a premium brand...when they already have divisions set up for the task.
A $30,000 Jetta is not what the market expects....an $80,000 VW is a fairy-tale.



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5630 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 11):

It's tragic considering how high VW was riding from 1995-2001. They had the most desirable demographics in the world: young, wealthy, well-educated, and wealthy buyers.

VW's demographics in the United States are still very good, at least as far as age is concerned. It competes with Mitsubishi (a brand that's barely surviving) for the youngest average buyer age, just under 40. Toyota's Scion brand, which is marketed almost entirely toward the youth market, attracts buyers several years older on average, though that may be skewed somewhat by parents buying Scions for their children.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32604 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

Quoting PROSA (Reply 18):
30,000 units per year isn't enough to make much of a difference in VW's fortunes. And I suspect that figure doesn't compare well to competing vehicles such as the Lexus RX330 or the Acura MDX. I see far more of those on the road than I see Touaregs.

Volkswagen's original goal for Touareg sales in the US was 30,000.They met those goals. Volkswagen never meant to be selling the Touareg, which has been praised by the press and customers, in very high volumes, or they would have marketed and priced it accordingly. The Touareg in itself is a niche vehicle - it is one of few SUVs on the market that is actually a real SUV. Volkswagen cut no corners with it, and while they could have gone the crossover route and produced a mid-size SUV at a lower price point with the car-like ride (ala MDX and RX330) that most consumers purchasing import SUVs perfer, they could have had much higher sales volume. That wasn't the road they wanted to take with their first SUV, and I thank them for that.

Quoting PROSA (Reply 18):
I will note again that October 2005 sales were down 15% from October 2004. While that's not a huge decline, especially compared to GM's results, by all rights there should have been no decline at all but rather a significant increase. The Passat and Jetta were nearing the end of their (way too long) product cycles in October 2004, without any significant discounting, while they were both new to the market in October 2005

Jetta sales have been steadily climbing month after month and been healthy. The new Passat just came out, so you won't see a real impact, positive or negative, until early 2006.

Quoting PROSA (Reply 18):
Agreed. To what do you attribute that? Poor management or something else?

Poor management decissions. They expect too much shelf life from their products. That's fine for a niche car like the New Beetle, but not a Passat or Jetta. Volkswagen mangaement needs to redesign these cars every 4-5 years, not every 7-8. Also, the new Golf has been on sale in Europe for almost two years now, and the US is still waiting! That's ridiculous.



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User currently offlineTPAnx From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

Wish I could quote the source for this..but a recent study of auto quality showed:
1:Japan
2: U-S-A
3: Germany

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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

And it was just 1998 (B5 Passat) and 1999 (Jetta) when VW was roaring back in the USA. I think it went to their heads.

I would've loved a 99 GLS 1.8T Passat in Satin Silver with moonroof/alloys.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12339 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

Pretty good thread here.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 17):
The Touareg is phenomenally good at the low speed grunt stuff. So why drive it round car parks and narrow Chelsea streets? It really pisses me off to see vehicles like that abused when they are just not built for some Prozac-riddled soccermom collecting Tristan and Petronella from their school gates.

With the Touareg's price tag and it's oh so precious interior, do you think Bubba is going to be getting one to pull stumps out of the ground or to compete with at the local tractor pull?

From what I read, it may have low end grunt, but what percentage of the buyers value that? What they see instead is a high price tag on a vehicle that is costly to run due to high weight, poor efficiency and the need for premium fuel.

Quoting PROSA (Reply 18):
30,000 units per year isn't enough to make much of a difference in VW's fortunes. And I suspect that figure doesn't compare well to competing vehicles such as the Lexus RX330 or the Acura MDX. I see far more of those on the road than I see Touaregs.

I agree, and in my neck of the world, the BMW X series also outnumbers Touareg by a large margin.



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25 Post contains images Jmc1975 : I also meant they should have offered the V6 model that was available in Europe, which would bring down cost. If Americans spend $65K on European lux
26 Garri767 : i think VW took too much of a break, when competition was low back then, but now has skyrocketed, its not really the same market it was.
27 Post contains images Cornish : Oi you grumpy old sod - I drive one I have you know   And last year it was "officially" the coolest car brand in the UK according to some UK Style C
28 Theredbaron : Bernard Perchtrieder (sp?) mistake to say it in short... that guy believed that VW could be more expensive and have more luxury...and acted accordingl
29 KLMCedric : I own a 2004 VW polo 1.4TDI, and I couldn't be happier with it. Offcourse it's still a relatively new car,it hasn't cost me a dime so far. The onboard
30 AeroWesty : Drowning Mona--great flick.
31 BHMBAGLOCK : The first three Yugos I ever saw were attention grabbers due to the fact that they were on the side of the road with raging engine fires. Never heard
32 TriStarEnvy : HA! I thought '88 was the first year. I remember seeing one chugging along I-10, between Baton Rouge and Houston, back in 1992, and thinking "There g
33 Slider : Yes- Drowning Mona....with Neve and Bette Midler. Dark comedy, a hilarious movie! Anyone else miss the VW Corrado? Now that was a sweet little machin
34 Fbgdavidson : While the Phaeton is an engineering masterpiece I'd never buy one. The new Merc S Class is coming out next year and frankly the poor resale values on
35 TheSonntag : The Phaeton is one of the worst management ideas ever, this already starts with the name: Phaeton was the son of helios who was riding the sun wagon (
36 PROSA : Out of curiosity, I checked the most recent available monthly sales numbers for the RX330 (October 2005) and the MDX (August 2005). Multiplying these
37 FMAL : Guys, here in Brazil VW was the leading brand for years. They now face fierce competition from Fiat. I quoted the "Mexican-built" as I believe this i
38 FMAL : Made in Brazil!
39 Post contains links MD-90 : Today's rant is about Piech's folly. http://www.autoextremist.com/index.shtml
40 MAH4546 : Here are the 2004 sales figures Jan04-Dec04: Lexus RX-Series: 106,531 Acura MDX: 59,505 Volvo XC90: 35,723 Lexus GX-Series: 35,420 BMW X5: 35,225 Inf
41 Post contains links and images PHLBOS : http://www.inet.hr/~bpauric/eindex.htm From the above web-link: During the summer of 1985 the Yugo went on sale as the cheapest car sold in the USA.
42 Post contains links and images Superfly : The only import I've ever bought was a 1980 Volkswagen Dasher diesel stationwagon. I bought it off my 12 grade english teacher for $50 back in 1990 so
43 Zippyjet : You hit the nail on the head! Also, there have been some quality/reliability issues. And, those damn SUV's have almost murdered the "pony car/sport e
44 MAH4546 : Yes they are. Audi has never sold as many vehicles in the US as they have in the early 2000s. I believe 2003 was their record year.
45 BHMBAGLOCK : Kharman Ghia - my first car, last VW I'll ever own.
46 Stirling : Interesting story...I'd never heard it before, and obviously no one at VW has either.
47 Kevinl1011 : After I wrecked my '60 VW Double Cab pickup, I found a clean '63 Ghia w/o a motor and put the 1835cc dual port, dual solex motor from the truck in to
48 BHMBAGLOCK : The ironic part is that the older Ghias looked more like a Porsche although the 914 did perform much better - still not good enough to be a Porsche I
49 Kevinl1011 : Exactly. And many of the owners were "wannabe" Porsche owners. Worse than the real Porsche owners.
50 SCCutler : After 1.5 years with my wife's Puebla-built (Mexican) Jetta, I could not be happier. Build quality was apparently very good, no parts-n-pieces falling
51 Theredbaron : The Puebla plant its the most advanced factory that VW has (with the exception of the glass factory where the Phaeton was/is made). I have been to 3 t
52 Post contains images TheSonntag : Here is the text about Phaeton. I don't have time to translate it now, I did it for the last time 7years ago: De Phaetonte. Phaeton Solis et Clymenes
53 Post contains images TheSonntag : So here is the 2nd part: Phaeton is trying to ride the sun wagon: De Phaetonte (II) Curae patris Phaetontem non moverunt. Itaque Sol puerum ad currum
54 Mikesairways : Oh VW is on the top of my s**t list right now I have an 01 Jetta and am in process of waiting for my second - thats right second front passenger windo
55 Post contains images RayChuang : In my opinion, I think VW should seriously look at selling the next-generation Polo now under development in the USA. With the huge interest in B-segm
56 Post contains images Checkraiser : But being "trucky" is exactly where VW went wrong in the US with this model. Most people who want a heavy SUV are going to go domestic. Ford and GM a
57 L-188 : Yeah but they had to camoflage a couple of Dodge Omni's to get the four door police cars. Exactly, there is a lot more to buying a vehicle then price
58 MAH4546 : I disagree. They've created a loyal niche for themselves. A small niche, but it is there, just like Mercedes-Benz has. Are you seriously comparing a
59 Post contains links and images Joness0154 : I find it funny all the false information being spread in here, ESPECIALLY about the cars built in Mexico. The whole process of build is automated, an
60 Post contains links TheSonntag : The following car is also built in Mexico, it brought me everywhere so far: http://www.pixum.de/members/thesonnt...w=3e5390463eb7f59da921182a7729b521
61 Theredbaron : The Puebla plant (VW) is so advanced, clean and noise less that when we were there we joked that we dont felt "in Mexico anymore". Also the Vw plant b
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