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First Murder In New Orleans Since Hurricanes..  
User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 23
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2480 times:

http://www.comcast.net/news/national...OMESTIC&fn=/2005/11/16/265480.html

New Orleans Has First Slaying Since Katrina
By Associated Press

Wed Nov 16, 12:21 AM

NEW ORLEANS - Police said a woman was stabbed to death, prompting the first homicide investigation in the city since Hurricane Katrina.


My question: So what? It's the first since the hurricane.. Why is this a "newsworthy" event?

Chris

[Edited 2005-11-17 01:47:37]


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User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

I would say for a city the size of new orleans to go this number of weeks/months without a homicide investigation is pretty darn good. Its a shame to hear that there has been another, but if you concider how many people get murdered per day in other cities, i think this is why its so newsworthy.

And on another point, what gives you the right to decide if something is "Newsworthy" or not? Dont be so insensitive...



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

This is newsworthy because New Orleans has traditionally held the dubious distinction of having the highest murder rate in the US....one murder about every one day/eight hours.
(Not the highest aggregate total...but per capita)

When was the Hurricane? Exactly.



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User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

Good to see that things are finally getting back to normal in the big easy  bigthumbsup 


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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 3):
Good to see that things are finally getting back to normal in the big easy

Try living in the post-Katrina era down here, my friend. Feel free to join those of us who stuck around here who are trying to rebuild this city into something. Or take a drive with me through the Lakeview area, around Gentilly, perhaps the Lower 9th Ward. You'll soon realize how far from normal things here. Then perhaps, I'll put that remark down as sarcasm. But, for now, it's an up and down insult.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

How long before N.O. mayor tries to blame FEMA or W for this?

User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2348 times:
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Quoting MKEdude (Reply 3):
Good to see that things are finally getting back to normal in the big easy

It's funny because it's true. Be careful though, MKE is on pace to have the highest murder rate per capita this year. Finally a distinction that makes me proud to live in Milwaukee!



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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 6):
It's funny because it's true.

I'll make you two an offer, one I'm sure you can easily handle since you have the ability to non-rev: fly down here, let me give you the cooks tour of the place. You'll be able to see for yourselves how far from the truth you are.

Then again, seeing as a single N.O. murder makes national news headlines, perhaps what everybody tells me nowadays is true: no one outside N.O., other than family and close friends, gives a rats ass about this place any more, nothing more than the butt of jokes. Whatever. Right now there are probably 800,000 to a million people here who aren't laughing.

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Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 5):
How long before N.O. mayor tries to blame FEMA or W for this?

He's tried.. time and again..

Chris



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User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):
Police said a woman was stabbed to death, prompting the first homicide investigation in the city since Hurricane Katrina.

I hear this will be featured in the newest crime drama, to be set in New Orleans... Murder, She Float.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 7):
Then again, seeing as a single N.O. murder makes national news headlines, perhaps what everybody tells me nowadays is true: no one outside N.O., other than family and close friends, gives a rats ass about this place any more, nothing more than the butt of jokes. Whatever. Right now there are probably 800,000 to a million people here who aren't laughing.

True. But why should I give a rat's ass about N.O. You chose to live there - in a city below sea level. You chose to elect leaders that stole from the money allocated to protect the city. You chose to not hold them accountable. You chose lower property taxes instead of infrastructure investment to protect your house. 68% of NO residents chose to forgo the flood insurance that would have protected their financial investments.

But after you getting to make all the choices, you want everyone else to pay the bill. With choice comes responsibility - or at least that's how it should work.

I'm truly sorry for the losses everyone suffered but they were largely avoidable and you could have prepared.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

Man, all of guys who are saying negative things about N.O at a time like this are truly pathetic. And I mean that. It's always so easy to say negative things about a place when it is down and out.

Talk about classless comments!

Pope, I could care less if you give a damn about New Orleans. Life must be fine and dandy in Florida or wherever the hell you are. Enjoy it, because things can change tomorrow. I wouldn't go accusing us of anything at this point. What right do you have to do so? I could go on a tangent talking about what a terrible university Florida is or what a lousy city Gainesville is but it won't get me anywhere.

It;s always easy and convenient for people to joke about things that they no NOTHING about.

As Tom said, come on down here guys, look around, and then let's see what the opinions are.

Pathetic. Truly, utterly, pathetic.


User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 11):
Man, all of guys who are saying negative things about N.O at a time like this are truly pathetic. And I mean that. It's always so easy to say negative things about a place when it is down and out.

Talk about classless comments!


You are getting a little sensitive about some of the comments, all comments were related to the murder and not to the events that took place after the Hurricane.

New Orleans has always been known as the murder capital of the United States, I am guessing that is why the murder was considered news worthy.



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User currently offlineMiCorazonAzul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):
Why is this a "newsworthy" event?

maybe because people thought New Orleans would be a "better" city as a result of what happened....I suppose we can say you can't teach an old dog new tricks in this situation.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 12):
You are getting a little sensitive about some of the comments, all comments were related to the murder and not to the events that took place after the Hurricane.
New Orleans has always been known as the murder capital of the United States, I am guessing that is why the murder was considered news worthy

You're right about one thing. I am sensitive. Sensitive about things that I read about my city right now. After all of this tragedy, I fail to see the significance...and the humor...in learning about the first murder post Katrina. And you are wrong, not all comments were related to the murder...that is what I was most dissapointed about. I will defend this place until the day I die, regardless of what others perceive this place to be.


User currently offlineFLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 3):
Good to see that things are finally getting back to normal in the big easy

you are taking this quote way out of control. It was just meant, I believe, that because NO has a history of murders, to be a joke...way out of hand. And I've been on pins and needles here in CT...Florida may not have gotten hit as bad as you, but we still got 3 hurricanes...my county had 2 direct hits. I get to go home and see it for the first time since the hurricanes...it won't be a NO situation, but if I'm feeling this way about SOFL where we have power and phones and everything, I can only imagine NO. I donated $102 and a blanket to NO and $6 to Florida...I've been trough major hurricanes before. I hope all is well down there or at least as well as possible. NO is now on my top 10 places to visit list because I feel the city might be gone next time...sad, but true...and I would like to be able to see your fine city in prestine condition in a couple of years hopefully!


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 13):
maybe because people thought New Orleans would be a "better" city as a result of what happened....I suppose we can say you can't teach an old dog new tricks in this situation

I'd wait a while before I would make a claim like that. Change takes time. This will be a vastly different city, ultimetely for the better when all is said and done.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 11):
Pope, I could care less if you give a damn about New Orleans

I wasn't addressing my comments to you but to Tom who lamented the fact that nobody cared a rat's ass about N.O.

But you seem to have ignored the substance of the post which is, reap what you sow. If you don't sow, don't ask me to be responsible for you.

Everyone who lived in N.O. could have bought federally subsidized flood insurance. The people of N.O. are responsible for electing a corrupt government that let them down, and now they're asking all of us to be financially responsible for their mistakes. That's a hell of a position, you choose I pay.

I'm not at all happy that Katrina happened to N.O. but its residents chose to live in a city under sea level. EVERY expert said that something like this was going to happen. The National Geographic article of one year ago predicted exactly what occured.

Now, I'm all about freedom. But with freedom comes with responsibility. Your choice - your consequence.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 11):
I wouldn't go accusing us of anything at this point. What right do you have to do so?

The fact that my tax dollars are going to fund a $250B recovery effort.

Every day I sacrifice current consumption to make sure that my family is adequately insured and protected against these type of FORESEEABLE disasters. I'm blessed enough to make a very good living but I would say my lifestyle is very middle class. We don't take expensive vacations, we don't drive expensive cars - we save and we plan for the future. That way, when something bad happens - and I'm sure sooner or later it will - I won't have to depend on anyone else.

And by the way, I've given substantial amounts of money to the recovery effort, both personally and through my company. So while I'm sympathetic to the situation N.O. and it's citizenry finds itself in, I also feel that their poor decisions and pursuit of current consumption over planning for the future put them in this place.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

Pope, everyone obviously has a different outlook on the siutuation. I just don't think it is right to put much of the blame on the citizens at this point. Do you know what it's like to live in a truly unique city? There's something about this place. It's hard for people to leave (I know because I did, but I quickly came back). There's just something about the spirit of the people here and the culture and the history. Below sea level and all. You know, why do so many people live in SFO or LAX when they know that a huge earthquake can happen at any time? Why do people keep rebuilding their homes in "tornado alley" in the Oklahoma area when they know that their house could be knocked down every year? Why do so many people in Florida continue to reside in high rises along the coast when they know that a hurricane could destroy it all? I could go on and on.

The problem with New Orleans was that the levee system was not built adequately, and rest asured the people and the local govenrment down here have tried and tried over the years to get the federal govenrment to see this. But year after year, they always skirted the issue, cutting funding for the Army corps of engineers instead of giving them the means to improve things. This was a poor area my friend. The city and state certainly did not have the means to fund the levee expansion. A lack of a huge corporate business base and a perception or coruption over the last 40 years has made the economy here stagnant at best. Nagin came in and has done a hell of a job weeding all of that out. The government should have been more proactive after hurricane Betsy back in the 60's and realized, "hey, we have a million people living on the south shore of Lake Pontchartrain who deserve better protection." Don't blame the local government. Excluding Nagin, all of the previous mayors starting with Dutch Morial have been inept, but all of them pushed for more levee protection.

In any case, do you think closing up shop on nearly 300 years of history would be a good thing? What if I proposed to never rebuild Miami or San Francisco or New York if one of those cities gets wiped out? But no, it's always easy to play the blame game when you are not actually living in the situation. So go ahead, blame the people. Blame the local leadership. Blame whoever you want. But that gets us nowhere.

I thank you for contributing to the relief effort. New Orleans was a great city once and she will rise again, regardless of what anyone thinks. Sorry that we have "inconvenienced" the nation by having taxpayers around the country float the bill, but damnit this is America, if we can't help a fellow city in need, then what the hell do we stand for?


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 18):
It's hard for people to leave

I'm not advocating that anyone leave, I'm just saying that your decision to stay shouldn't become my financial responsibility. Living in a city that averages 5 feet below sea level and not carrying flood insurance, is just irresponsible. I'm 100% behind the free exercise of personal choice, but that choice shouldn't create a financial liability for me.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 18):
Excluding Nagin, all of the previous mayors starting with Dutch Morial have been inept, but all of them pushed for more levee protection.

But did any of them raise local property taxes to pay for this? No, they wanted the benefit of living in a unique city and simultaneously wanted the responsibility for their ineptitude (if that is even a word) to be the backs of everyone else.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 18):
then what the hell do we stand for?

Call me strange but I think personal responsibility for one's own future is (or should be) a cornerstone of our country.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 19):
Call me strange but I think personal responsibility for one's own future is (or should be) a cornerstone of our country.

It is, but we can't redo what's already been done, so what's the harm in helping people when they are down?

Quoting Pope (Reply 19):
I'm not advocating that anyone leave, I'm just saying that your decision to stay shouldn't become my financial responsibility

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in this country. Perhaps it's different in Canada, I have no idea.

Quoting Pope (Reply 19):
Living in a city that averages 5 feet below sea level and not carrying flood insurance, is just irresponsible.

I would dare say that those who could afford flood insurance had it.

Quoting Pope (Reply 19):
But did any of them raise local property taxes to pay for this? No, they wanted the benefit of living in a unique city and simultaneously wanted the responsibility for their ineptitude (if that is even a word) to be the backs of everyone else.

Plain and simply, regardless of the poor local leadership, the federal government had the obligation to protect its citizens. And they choose to ignore the warning signs from the countless studies saying that this would one day happen. Blame the local leadership for not doing enough to improve the quality of life here, but don't blame them for the levees. It would be misguided to assume so.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 20):
It is, but we can't redo what's already been done, so what's the harm in helping people when they are down?

As indicated above, I have. But what's the harm in pointing out that much of this misery was self-created could have been avoided. Furthermore, what's the harm in requiring that the rules be changed so that this exact same situation can't happen again. If you're going to ask for $250B to rebuild shouldn't the American taxpayer be entitled to assurances that it won't be wasted like the previous billions which were given to N.O.?

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 20):
I would dare say that those who could afford flood insurance had it.

I wonder how many of those who "couldn't afford" flood insurance had nice cars, or wore $100 shoes or had plasma TV's or had Ipods, ate out regularly in restaurants or took vacations. This is about spending priorities. If you make your own personal financial security a low priority, then yes, money for insurance (probably the only thing you ever purchase and hope you never have to used) unavailable. There will always be something else to buy. If you make it a high priority, other things get pushed down lower on the list.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 20):
Plain and simply, regardless of the poor local leadership, the federal government had the obligation to protect its citizens.

Wrong. I suggest you read the US Constitution, there is no federal police power nor any power to protect the general welfare. You might wish that there was - but their isn't. The federal government's role is not to be our big brother, looking over our shoulder second guessing our decisions and stopping us from doing harm to ourselves. We are a nation that was founded and (at least in theory Constitutionally) still believes in a limited federal government.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 21):
Furthermore, what's the harm in requiring that the rules be changed so that this exact same situation can't happen again. If you're going to ask for $250B to rebuild shouldn't the American taxpayer be entitled to assurances that it won't be wasted like the previous billions which were given to N.O.?

I agree with all of that 100%. It shouldn't happen again. We have to learn from our mistakes. And the ghosts of the past are still affecting people's perception about New Orleans, which is unfortunate. Things have changed around here over the last few years. Hopefully the progress that has been made in regards to weeding out the corruption will be looked upon favorably.

Quoting Pope (Reply 21):
wonder how many of those who "couldn't afford" flood insurance had nice cars, or wore $100 shoes or had plasma TV's or had Ipods, ate out regularly in restaurants or took vacations

Probably not too many. Poverty was rampant in the city prior to Katrina. I guarantee you a huge numer of people did not have the means to get the flood insurance. Those who did recognized it is a need. Lots of people, especially the older people in the city, lived in blissful ignorance and just assumed that things wouldn't get as bad as it did.

Quoting Pope (Reply 21):
The federal government's role is not to be our big brother, looking over our shoulder second guessing our decisions and stopping us from doing harm to ourselves. We are a nation that was founded and (at least in theory Constitutionally) still believes in a limited federal government

Correct, but since they government had the means to do something about the problem, and they chose to ignore it year after year, I do hold them responsible. Limited federal government is fine and dandy, but we're talking about the worst natural disaster in the history of the U.S here. One that could have been provented if the government was proactive enough over the years to take the concerns and the demands of the people here seriously.


User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19231 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

I don't know if the following has already been submitted or not, but there is a big difference between reported and unreported crimes.

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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 22):
I guarantee you a huge numer of people did not have the means to get the flood insurance.

I've seen many pictures of those who you say didn't have the means walking around with $100 Nike's on their feet and Ipods in their ears.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 22):
Correct, but since they government had the means to do something about the problem, and they chose to ignore it year after year, I do hold them responsible. Limited federal government is fine and dandy, but we're talking about the worst natural disaster in the history of the U.S here.

What part of unconstitutional don't you understand? In any case, there have been many other natural disasters in the US that resulted in far many more lives lost.

N.O.'s citizens and its elected leaders chose to ignore the risks, chose to squander the billions in money given to them and now want us to foot the bill and while still wanting to rebuild on exactly the same land that is sinking into the ocean on a daily basis. This is literally equivalent to throwing money into the ocean.


25 MSYtristar : And that is not the majority I can assure you. I've seen these people first hand. It's more effective seeing them in person than what the media wants
26 Pope : Too bad that the US Constitution is what should govern what is and is not allowable. I love it, Constitution be damned the first time you don't get w
27 MSYtristar : Obviously you've never been put in a situation like this or you'd be singing a different tune. I can assure you of that. This isn't about "getting wh
28 Pope : I'm the one citing Constitutional provisions and you're the one that is saying Constitution be damned, but I'm the one that is difficult to reason wi
29 MSYtristar : Yeah, I suppose that is it. I was never arguing the constitutionality of it all. I'm not an expert in the field, nor do I claim to be. I was simply s
30 Pope : Don't put words in my mouth. I never said anyone was stupid. I said that they were fiscally irresponsible. There are plenty of smart and fiscally irr
31 Tom in NO : 1) New Orleans and Louisiana have been known for electing politicians who were or became corrupt. We all can agree on that. Lord knows that, try as we
32 MSYtristar : I'm glad you think so. But seriously, thanks for the laugh. It was the first good one i've had all night.[Edited 2005-11-19 07:04:09]
33 Pope : According to the documentary the Discovery Channel is running on the Netherlands flood control project, they've spent the equivalent of over $3 TRILL
34 Post contains images We're Nuts : Remember that the next time you quote holy prose.
35 MSYtristar : No, sorry pal, you are wrong yet again. Plenty of people are worse off than I am emotionally speaking. You can say that I am passionate about defendi
36 FLAIRPORT : I would like to say that after coming home to FLL and seeing the damage from Wilma...homes without roofs, trees down/bare and I was left with a loss o
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