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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2654 times:

Ok it seems to me that the car industry everywhere seems to really be into "in your face styling" - very aggressive bold statements of power and size. Increasingly what were previously sensible brands seem to be turning to styling their cars to appeal to rap artists and footballers and the "bling" generation

The thing is there seems to be very few cars that can truly be called beautiful or elegant any more. Obviously SUV/4x4s and People Carrier/Minivan/Bratbuses are never goning to be beautiful by their very dimensions, but look at BMW's now, the current Rolls Royce, more and more M-Bs, the new Audi grill, Peugeots and so on. Some of them may be impressive designs, but beautiful, elegant - No way !

See the Peugeot 406 Coupe - what a beautiful car. Peugeot replace it with the 407 coupe - lots of presence, very impressive. But beautiful ? I think not.
Ferrari 456 - beautiful. Replaced by 612 - not beautiful.

Thank goodness we have Aston Martin around to prove that it is still possible to design a car that still shouts power and presence while looking utterly beautiful. Their cars are one of a very short list of beautiful or elegant cars:

Any current Aston Martin - particularly the DB9 of course - the most beautiful car on the planet.

Err..... Maserati Quattroporte.

new Alfa Romeo Brera and 159.

And then struggling a bit
Audi A8 - still elegant despite the nasty new Audi grill.
Audi A4 Cabrio - well it was until they grafted the new grill on.

High hopes for the new Jaguar coupe - but thats about it folks.

God I could even throw in the Mazda 6 or Renault Laguna (pre facelift) as good looking family cars - thats how short of ideas i am.

Anyone else agree with me? - and please no 18 year olds telling me how beautiful the current BMW 7 series is - it is Vulgar with a capital V.

Anyone else hoping the next big design direction is for beautiful cars?


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

I agree. Aggression can't replace elegance. And it gets old quite fast.

User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

The Noble.

'nuff said. Old school muscle car but doesn't scream it, just nicely tailored.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 2):
The Noble.

Fair do's - you're right there. but still in a big minority eh?



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User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

In respect for your very country you're absolutely not allowed to aks this question  Wink .
Your country build the most beautiful cars made today.
Aston Martin DB9 and Vanquish. This is true beauty.
As we all know Americans don't even know how to build proper cars (they only now how to build rubbish BIG)
German cars get worse and worse nowadays. BMW 5 is ok but the rest.
Mercedes is doing rubbish as well with the A and B class destoying its reputation.
I don't even start with VW cause they're complete rubbish.

Disagree on the audi grill. That is marvellous.

Regds

Jush



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2630 times:

Quoting Jush (Reply 4):
Disagree on the audi grill. That is marvellous.

Ah that Audi grill.... Well I'm an Audi owner and i have moments when i quite like it and moments when i don't. But with the exception of the A8 i wouldn't say it looks particularly beautiful - this being my point. Certainly the A4 cabrio doesn't look better with it on. Its more following the fashion for more glitz/bling.

Having said that it'll be interesting to see how it fits on to some of the replacements ofr existing modesl that will have been designed with it from the outset.

I have the current model A3 - pre new grill. Is the new grill an improvement - I'm not so sure.



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User currently offlineDazultra From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 689 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 5):
Ah that Audi grill.... Well I'm an Audi owner and i have moments when i quite like it and moments when i don't. But with the exception of the A8 i wouldn't say it looks particularly beautiful

I think it looks quite good on the new A6 aswell, like the front end has been designed around the grill, whereas the A4 and A3 it looks like it has just been slapped on as an after thought.


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

General Motors make the two best looking cars around these days for more ordinary use. The Astra and Zafira came from the Opel CTC Geneve concept car and are way in front of the models they replaced. For the volume market they must be the best lookers.

The other gorgeous one is (argh) Australian, the Vauxhall Monaro built by Holden. Powerful, classic lines and pretty with it. Bit like me..

Strange that GM build tatty shitpiles in their US plants and good cars elsewhere.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 7):
The other gorgeous one is (argh) Australian, the Vauxhall Monaro built by Holden.

Sadly I think they've just stopped making them - or at least importing them to the UK - that's a shame as it was something a bit different in the market.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 7):
Powerful, classic lines and pretty with it. Bit like me..

So who's the imposter in the photo on your profile then?  Wink



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

All the beautiful cars is made in Germany. Lexus is another great looking car.

 twocents 

Micke//SE Big grin



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

Cornish:
I agree with you. Imagination and style is a thing of the past.
30 years ago, every car across the board had distinctive styling.
Even a little Pontiac Sunbird and AMC Pacer had seat styling details such as stitching on the door panels, woodgrain instrument panel, vinyl roofs, etc.
All cars today are bubbles with very little styling differences.
The British has always and still do made very beautiful cars.



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 7912 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
I agree. Aggression can't replace elegance. And it gets old quite fast.

Absolutely. That's why I like Volvo's new C70: No too much of a forward-tilted wedge form, not too much chrome, relaxed understatement instead of offending lines.

Quoting Cornish (Thread starter):
particularly the DB9 of course - the most beautiful car on the planet.

I'd say that's Maserati's Coupe. More understatement and a less agressive looking grill. And I still like Land Rover's Defender, which is a true classic.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2520 times:

While most of those "minivans" tend to be ugly, many medium-class cars are between nice and beautiful. There of course are many with a really aggressive styling, but I would NOT generalize. There have been relatively ugly cars in the past like the FIAT Panda or the Opel Kadett or the Citroen 2CV etc .
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I for instance quite love the styling of my FIAT Marea Weekend .


User currently offlineCPH757 From Denmark, joined Sep 2005, 684 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

I do agree with you. Especially on the German cars, which use to be so stylish.

The last series of BMW's has been a disaster.

I still think that the Audis are great though. The new A4 is a great looking car!

Mercedes has kept up, until the recent launch of the Jaguar alike design. It's really ugly.

VW still make decent looking small cars. The new Golf is beatiful. However, the new Passat is a disaster. I really liked the old one. So simple and stylish. The new one is a refined edition of a Toyota Avensis or Mazda 6, which is absolutely ugly cars...



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

Quoting Cornish (Thread starter):
See the Peugeot 406 Coupe - what a beautiful car

I remember first seeing it at Belgrade Car Show and I was stunned.  eyepopping  I stood there and watched it for an hour or so.
Yes, new cars are not that nice anymore. Of course, there are few luxury sport cars that look great, but I doubt I'll ever own one, so I won't mention them.

Personally, I'm more interested in more affordable cars and there are some that look really nice like:
Mini
Lancia Ypsilon
Fiat Panda
Peugeot 206
Peugeot 407 (yes, Peugeot is my favorite brand and I had one)
Peugeot 307 (new one looks better)
Golf V
most of the Citroens

But still, they all miss something old cars had and none of the modern cars look as good as Peugeot 205GTi.

When I allow myself to fantasize a bit and dream of my ideal car, I dream Jaguar.  wink 



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 14):
dream of my ideal car

suggest you get a look at www.lamborghini.com and then you will see a really nice styling !


User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4529 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 14):
Peugeot 206
Peugeot 407 (yes, Peugeot is my favorite brand and I had one)
Peugeot 307 (new one looks better)

Totally agree with you there. The 206 will be succeeded by the 207 in March 2006. I'm hoping that Peugeot will have a good clearout at the beginning of next year. Then I hope to be able to get my hands on a (cheaper) 206 SW 'Quicksilver'. The French are turning out some very fine looking cars: the Peugeot 407 SW and the Renault Laguna Grand Tour for example.

I also need a car that can transport five 40 litre bales of topsoil plus other gardening accoutriments from the local garden centre. I'm afraid your Lamborghini won't help me there ME AVN FAN.

Regards, Robert  bouncy 



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 15):
then you will see a really nice styling !

I know that, but I will never have one  cry 

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 16):
The French are turning out some very fine looking cars

They definitely do. Here, in Serbia, German cars have always been the most popular ones, but I still love French and some Italian cars can also be nice (I named few), but there is always a problem with reliability. As for Germans, Mercedes-Benz SLK would be nice, too.

Personally, if I could buy a new car, I would go for something smaller like 206 or new 207 with more powerfull engine. Something that can help me move around in the city and easily park it. What I don't want is some kind of 4X4. Somehow, I feel too "tall" in them and they give that false sense that I'm stronger than the rest on the road.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 17):
I will never have one cry

Neither will I ! definitely above my possibilities  cry 


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 16):
your Lamborghini won't help me

so that I would rather recommend my FIAT Marea Weekend ! a beautiful and fine and spacious car which I really can recommend to anyone. Had a beautiful Tempra Station Liberty before which I loved but this one is better .


User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Argh, a Cornish-started car design thread and I only just noticed it?

Diving in...

Re. WhiteHatter: I wouldn't describe any of the Noble M12, Vauxhall Astra and Zafira and Holden Monaro as beautiful - the word of the thread. To my eyes the M12 is a brutish kit-caralike, the Astra and, to a slightly lesser extent, Zafira good-looking for the class and the times, but not beautiful, and the Monaro just bland in the details and dated in the execution. The Omega from which the Monaro owes its life could have stood a good chance of being a beautiful (okay, elegant) car of 1994, but Vauxhall/Opel's astonishingly ham-fisted mid-life facelift saw to that.

Re. NoUFO: In a similar (but vastly more cultured) way to the M12, I don't consider Maserati's Coupé (née 3200) beautiful. It was in its initial form, but plain Jane and out-of-place rear lights and, in its latest permutation, a new bodykit/mesh grille set and that pearlescent white paint spoiled things. Hmmm. The Volvo C70, on the other hand, is, I think, as much of a contender to beautiful as most of the cars we've come up with (apart from the best designs in the thread starter). It's clean, unfussy and elegant - although the nose arrangement probably stops it a bit too short of the b-word.

Re. ME AVN FAN: Your Marea Weekend? While I don't want to diss your pride and joy, and while I do want to say that, for its time, it was indeed a pretty small estate... it's not exactly up there with the Maserati Quattroporte is it? Big grin

In terms of real-world cars, the pre-facelift Mazda 6 and Renault Laguna are pretty sharp, as are the Citroën C4, aforementioned Astra, Mazda 5 (a people carrier? Really?) and... I've run out of ideas. The new Punto looks pretty nifty, although not quite beautiful. Audis, always a dead cert for beauty, are becoming over-styled and over-blinged in place of their elegant and subtle forebears.

As to the Land Rover Defender, I think this is actually possibly one of the most beautiful cars suggested - in terms of fitness-for-purpose. It's rugged, utilitarian and objectively ugly - but it does the job, and no more. Its simplicity of lines have been brought bang-up-to-date in the startlingly "architectural" form of the Discovery 3. (Shame the latter weighs well over two tonnes and is so sluggish and environment-killing...)

It's probably easy to point towards packaging requirements and pedestrian impact regulations as major drivers to cars becoming heavier, more bloated, more upright, longer-nosed and so on - but surely that's not an innate barrier to automotive beauty?

So, truly modern beautiful cars? I'd go with the Alfa 156 (more Sportwagon than saloon), Maserati Quattroporte, the gorgeous DB9, and... hmm. I'm not sure. Does the Goddess count as "modern"?

Rich


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

This list came out some time ago.
Channel 4's list of 100 Greatest Cars:
http://www.channel4.com/4car/100-greatest/

As for beautiful cars? It's a subjective question. Hard to value beauty when in the US the market is dominated by SUVs and in Europe by cars having to be economical and able to fit within the infrastructure.
These factors don't allow much room for stylistic expression.

All in all, there are plenty of nice looking cars out there....different from the models of the past, but no less pleasing to the eye. We're in a design shift...a notch in a cycle...no different than any other. I remember in the 80's my dad lamenting the lack of the big luxo-boxes of the 70's, and in the 70's, my uncle saying the same for the cars of the 60's, and so on, and so on.
It's like Music....people say the exact same things, they don't make cars, or write songs like they used to. In ten years they'll say, "Man, they sure don't design cars like they did in 2005!"

With that being said, My list, current models only:

The Mercedes S-Class.

Anything Aston Martin (and to think they are owned by boring Ford)

Alfa Romeo 166

BMW 6-Series

Pontiac Solstice

Chevrolet Corvette

Jaguar XJ
Jaguar XK

Acura RL

Renault Laguna

This all I can think of off the top 'o my head.



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User currently offlineAmy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 14):
Mini

Why won't anyone listen? The mini is a pile of crap. It's an overly retro bug-eyed cramped overexpensive german knock off of a great british classic. I don't care how well the Germans have made it handle and the brushed aluminium that's vomited over the dashboard. It's just a pile of pants. Pure marketing getting in the way of innovation and creating product that says to people that you're sad enough to wnt a brand new BMW but you're too poor to buy a decent one.

I hate the new mini. I really really hate it.

Rant over... back to the topic.

It;s true, cars are getting more ugly. F360 vs F348? I'd have the 348. 612 over 456GT? 456 every time.

TVR makes some beautiful looking cars. Whilst the Sagaris and Tuscan R look like an automotive axe-murderer, the Tamora and T350C are both stunning to behold. The Alpha Brera is a good recent effort, but most cars these days are...




shit.



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User currently offlineTheredbaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2154 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

There are very few "new" beautiful cars I agree my list:

The Mercedes Cabriolets
Golf V R32
Lambo Gallardo
Porsche Carrera GT
Lotus Elise

thats it !!!
Now I hope Peugeot doesnt ruin the 206 with the new 207.



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User currently offlineAtco2b From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 1114 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Quoting Cornish (Thread starter):
See the Peugeot 406 Coupe - what a beautiful car. Peugeot replace it with the 407 coupe - lots of presence, very impressive. But beautiful ? I think not.
Ferrari 456 - beautiful. Replaced by 612 - not beautiful

I agree with the Ferrari 100%, maybe not so much with the 406... Big grin

Quoting Cornish (Thread starter):
Anyone else agree with me? - and please no 18 year olds telling me how beautiful the current BMW 7 series

I prefer the 5-series  Wink



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25 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : NOT really, no. Not "up there with the Maserati Quattroporte", but in a nice (beautiful) price-range ! and NOT "small" in Europe but medium -
26 Aleksandar : Hmm, I guess I never mentioned new Mini. OF COURSE, old classic one is much nicer even today after so many years. I can't say I hate it. It doesn't l
27 Cornish : But is the gaping fish front end on the new Peugeots beautiful ? I don't think so - impressive like so many of the dramatic front ends to be found on
28 Post contains links and images Kay : And now a nice eye-candy. Yep, and it is an eye candy not least because a 20 year-old Ferrari is on the foreground, while contemporary ones lay miser
29 ME AVN FAN : UGLY in a legendary way. Nick-named "the ugly duck" !
30 TR763 : Oh I disagree when talking about SUV's! Some people just hate the volvo design, but I simply love the XC 90 look. What about the new Audi Q7? Again I
31 Post contains images Kay : The new S series???????????????????????????????? Ok THAT's why these cars are popular!! because there are humans who like them!!!! Is it possible? Ka
32 Post contains images Aleksandar : It definitely is, but it still brings a smile on my face when I see one
33 Cornish : Exactly. The new S-Class has been designed by seemingly taking the worst of the design elements from the current BMW 7 series. Not a good starting po
34 Post contains images RedDragon : It's a bloated, fussy-yet-bland example of the poor application of individual Audi styling cues to a landbarge. Need I say more? Okay, what idiots me
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